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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: moto on December 29, 2020, 09:27:18 PM
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Screwdrivers are like opinions -- everyone has one, and probably has an opinion on it too. That said, following on from a recent thread about tool brands in general, I offer my observations about some competing Phillips #2 screwdrivers.
Here's the background. Ten years ago I dropped my #2 Phillips Ace Hardware screwdriver off a pier, never to be seen again, though I tried to retrieve it. I popped an old Craftsman into its place on the rack.
Recently I was working on a difficult screw with the lost screwdriver's companion, a 5/16 slotted. I suddenly realized that I was exerting a great deal of force with my thumb, engaged on the protruding flange. It occurred to me that I really liked that set of screwdrivers, especially because I could easily exert that force, and I began to look again for a replacement for the lost Ace, which are no longer sold.
I decided to collect several candidate Phillips #2 screwdrivers, buying some separately just to compare them. The winner would fill that empty place on the rack, and I would also buy one or two sets of the winning type so I could throw away a couple of other sets (Bovidex and Duracraft). Phillips #2 drivers seemed like a good thing to focus on since they need a precise tip, are always heavily used, and typically wear out first.
(https://i.ibb.co/TTG3YMY/IMG-20201229-192903680.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TTG3YMY)
The contenders, left to right in the photo, are:
1) Ace Hardware chrome vanadium (no longer available, a 5/16 slotted standing in for the lost #2)
2) Kobalt model 525817, $3.98 plus $5.99 shipping, from Lowes
3) Stanley "100 Plus" series, model 64-102-A, $5.81 plus $5.00 shipping from Zoro.com.
4) Klein, model 603-4, rubberized handle, $9.49 plus $5.00 shipping from Zoro.
[I wish I had gotten a non-rubberized Klein, model BD122, $7.55 plus $5.00 shipping from Zoro, instead. It has a plain acetate handle.]
5) Craftsman, model 41295, that I purchased new maybe 45-50 years ago.
6) Craftsman, model 41295, from about 12 years ago, worse of course than the older one, though also still U.S.-made at the time.
Obviously this is a limited selection that omits some higher-end alternatives that are inherently unsuitable for a true Guzzista.
Here are my observations.
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1) Thumb flanges. I prefer a handle with large flanges for my thumb to press upon. The Ace Hardware model wins this category, as this photo suggests. Not only is the profile of the ledge that the thumb presses into more abrupt, but the number of flanges (and ridges) on the handle is four, not the usual six, which makes them that much beefier. Among the others, the Stanley is next-best, with more useful flanges than the Kobalt. The Klein BD122 that I did not purchase appears to have similar looking flanges to the Stanley.
2) Handle size and type. I prefer what I call a full-size handle in hard (acetate) plastic. The Craftsman screwdrivers are under-sized, providing limited torque. The Klein is a full-size handle, available with or without a rubber grip. I found a number of believable testimonials from "professional mechanics" praising the size and utility of the Stanley "100 Plus" series screwdrivers, commenting often on the size of their handles. After my survey I now think the full-size acetate handle is the hallmark of a proper "mechanic's screwdriver." Rubberized handles now seem to me to be more suitable for electricians (who are said to prefer Kleins).
(https://i.ibb.co/vvFfMkZ/IMG-20201229-193118919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vvFfMkZ)
3) Tip fit. I have grown to hate screwdrivers as a race, because they often fit poorly and I don't know whether the screw or the driver is to blame. For this comparison, though, I hit on the idea of using the #2 Phillips screws on the backs of my kitchen cabinet doors as my standard for fit. They are unmolested, and must have been there for 40 or more years. Maybe back then quality was higher, I figured. It turned out that both the Klein and the Stanley screwdrivers fit extremely well -- I found I could let the screwdrivers hang by their tips in screws that were installed at 90 degrees from the vertical. Both brands had the same amount of droop while hanging. The Craftsman drivers were both undersized and fell out, even though the 12-year-old version had little wear on it. The shocker was the Kobalt, which was too big to insert all the way into the screw!
Who won? In the end I think the Stanley "100 Plus" screwdrivers are the best. They have a lot of "professional mechanics'" testimonials that say they have never changed over many years (except for new tips) and are the go-to drivers in the toolbox. (These are of course not the lesser Stanley screwdrivers you tend to see in stores.) There is a very wide variety of screwdrivers in the "100 Plus" series, and they are available in sets and individually for good prices at Zoro.com, who next-day ship any driver or set for $5.00. I forgot to mention one feature unique to these in the comparison group: the flat-tip drivers have a hex fitting at the top of the shaft for a wrench, a nice bonus.
The #2 Craftsman drivers, looking back now, were never very good. They fit poorly and were under-sized.
Kobalt was a huge disappointment. "If the driver don't fit, you must omit," as might be said.
Klein seems to be embarrassed to offer the plain-acetate-handle drivers (the one I didn't buy). You can order them on Zoro.com, but Amazon makes it a bit hard. They are only offered by their affiliates, with the lowest price for the #2 Phillips being $17.54, including shipping. Reviews note that these are branded as Vaco "Bull Driver" screwdrivers, rather than "Klein." I expect they are about equivalent to the Stanley "100 Plus" driver I preferred.
As a hard-(screw)driving Guzzista, I prefer a rugged, large screwdriver that fits well and doesn't have a rubbery handle to get dirty and gummed up. Hand me the Stanley.
Moto
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I just go in the tool truck. There is also a Phillips for Japanese screws that works better on some than others.
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Wow. This is more thought about screwdrivers than I've ever had. Pretty awesome. Thanks!
-AJ
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size matters
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Keep in mind that Phillips screwdrivers are not the same as JIS or Pozidriv, even if they do look similar.
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/10583/phillips-vs-jis-vs-pozidriv/
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I just go in the tool truck. There is also a Phillips for Japanese screws that works better on some than others.
Yep. JIS, IIRC Japanese Industry Standard. HUGE difference between those and Phillips screwdrivers.
Get some JIS screwdrivers and you will VERY tempted to throw all your regular Phillips head screwdrivers away.
But don't.
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I hate soft screws and ill fitting drivers. :thewife:
My wife has issues with grip so I got here a ratcheting driver that has kind of a wing down one side so you are using the lower part of your thumb to grip and turn. Works well for her.
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Wow. This is more thought about screwdrivers than I've ever had. Pretty awesome. Thanks!
-AJ
Rotary engine airplanes, Single malt scotches and now screwdrivers. It reminds me again that this Forum knows everything :grin:
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If your working on an old Asian bike, JIS is the way to go. I wish I had JIS many years ago with a Honda. Never could find a star bit to fit properly. But the old impact driver with a hammer did help a bit.
Also if your working on small fishing reels made in Asia, miniature JIS bits are the only way to go.
Tom
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my go-to is a beat-to-crap magnetic ratcheting screwdriver with one or the other drywall bit. There's a whole herd of screwdrivers in the 4th drawer, but this one gets the most use. The larger screwdrivers are great for pry bars or alignment tools.
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Why do we all have that screwdriver that is worn out, end chipped or broken off but we cannot seem to throw it away or replace it. The worst part is we periodically try and I use it. I mean it didn't work last 50 times we tried it why shouldn't it work now?
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My opinion is JIS tips work better than any Phillips...
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Very nice, Moto. :thumb: When I was a pup, an old aircraft mechanic told me to buy the best screwdrivers I could afford. Aircraft have to be disassembled all the time, and cheap screwdrivers booger up the screw heads. He recommended Stanley then. :smiley: Of course, I am rich beyond my wildest dreams when I was a (really poor) kid, and have Snap On and Matco for aircraft work, now.
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Could you please come clean my garage?
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yep. Gotta have JIS drivers in the tool box.
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:thumb: :thumb:
Yup, JIS is the way to go. In fact, I've taken to grinding the tip off my old Phillip bits to act more like JIS. They are better, but not identical. I'm sure you know that Phillip bits were designed to 'cam out', rather than strip the screw. This property can become annoying when trying to tighten stubborn screws.
Be well, stay well,
DougG
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I take great satisfaction from replacing Phillips screws with S'STL Allen screws. Technically, they are S'STL SHCS in the machine design world.
One of the easiest things you can do to improve and personalize your bike.
It also doesn't hurt to have one of those cool little impact drivers about the size of a highlighter that uses a 1/4" hex drive.
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Rotary engine airplanes, Single malt scotches and now screwdrivers. It reminds me again that this Forum knows everything :grin:
It's what Think Tanks do! :wink:
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http://navyaviation.tpub.com/14001/img/14001_39_3.jpg
This is throwing a monkey wrench into the screwdriver drawer
Reed Prince anyone?
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I’m for doing away with all Phillips and straight head screws and the drivers needed. Star head type only.
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I’m for doing away with all Phillips and straight head screws and the drivers needed. Star head type only.
Torx?
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Keep in mind that Phillips screwdrivers are not the same as JIS or Pozidriv, even if they do look similar.
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/10583/phillips-vs-jis-vs-pozidriv/
There you go, thanks. Most do not know this till fasteners are jacked up.
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Why do we all have that screwdriver that is worn out, end chipped or broken off but we cannot seem to throw it away or replace it. The worst part is we periodically try and I use it. I mean it didn't work last 50 times we tried it why shouldn't it work now?
I take those to the grinder and make staple pullers and other useful tools out of them.
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the other sexy tools you gotta have is offset screwdrivers and those super small ratchets that use a female 1/4" hex drive.
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I’m for doing away with all Phillips and straight head screws and the drivers needed. Star head type only.
Agreed. Seems like automotive switched to predominantly torx at least 20 years ago. I know that's true on my Dodges.
If everything was torx or hex head I'd be happy. I see zero need for phillips and even less need for slotted.
-AJ
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Why do we all have that screwdriver that is worn out, end chipped or broken off but we cannot seem to throw it away or replace it. The worst part is we periodically try and I use it. I mean it didn't work last 50 times we tried it why shouldn't it work now?
They move to the drift/small podge bar section.
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Torx?
Yea either one over the other two. Wrong picture 👍
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Working on Japanese motorcycles....hand impact driver and a small sledge. :thumb:
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Reed & Prince, Posidriv, and JIS appear to be very similar, if not different names for the same. Gearwrench makes a good set of Posidriv screwdrivers. Most cross-head screws on older British cars are Reed & Prince/Posidriv, and many have been stripped by using a Philips screwdriver with them. Once I figured out how much better the "PZ" stamped bits in my driver set fit over the "P" ones way back when, working on my British MGs (vs. our Italian ones :smiley: ) became much easier.
Dave
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A great review.
I discovered Klein screwdrivers when I moonlighted/part time as an electrician during my final years of college and first couple years of working.
I find them to be extremely easy to handle durable and always get a good bite whether it's Phillips or slotted. after 30 years my original set was starting to get a little worn so 5 years ago I bought a new full set with everything from small Jewelers set all the way to their large. I also have one of their mult i-bit screwdriver sets that has three different hex drivers torx head square as well as large and small Philips and slotted. Very often this is the only screwdriver I'll bring under the hood or when working on a project.
The old Craftsman set I inherited from my grandfather from his days as a New York City Police Department mechanic (20 years as a motorcycle and beat cop and then the last few as mechanic due to some injuries) are still going strong as well but I don't like to use them regularly for nostalgia's sake.
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JIS screwdrivers make a huge difference. I also prefer Torx over Hex screws. I recently bought a 2016 Jeep Wrangler and installed a winch. I used tamper resistant Torx Button head screws on the skid plate covering the winch bolts to hopefully prevent winch theft.
(https://i.ibb.co/mymyvSs/M5-Security-Screw-Tamper-Resistant-Pin-in-Torx-Drive-Button-Head-Socket-Cap-Torx-Screws-Stainless.webp) (https://ibb.co/mymyvSs)
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Very nice, Moto. :thumb: When I was a pup, an old aircraft mechanic told me to buy the best screwdrivers I could afford. Aircraft have to be disassembled all the time, and cheap screwdrivers booger up the screw heads. He recommended Stanley then. :smiley: Of course, I am rich beyond my wildest dreams when I was a (really poor) kid, and have Snap On and Matco for aircraft work, now.
First, thanks Chuck, and all. I always learn something when I post something on this board. (I didn't know of the enthusiasm for using JIS drivers on Phillips screws, presumably old screws with the heads worn out by Craftsman screwdrivers! :evil:)
Now an update, followed by a question (don't go away, Chuck). I continued looking around the web and finally stumbled on the successors to the Ace chrome vanadium screwdriver I lost. They are now called Ace Pro Series screwdrivers, but the rubberized version by the same name is what shows up in cursory searches. They have the same part numbers as my old screwdrivers.* Here's a photo of old and new Ace screwdrivers, alongside the Stanley 100 Plus driver I previously preferred:
(https://i.ibb.co/ZVsBk9n/IMG-20201231-133608729.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZVsBk9n)
The fit of the tip in my reference Phillips screw is good, about like the Klein and Stanley. It can be seen that the big flanges I liked have atrophied to a size smaller than the Stanley. In addition, the four flutes I liked have become six. Ergonomically, to me, the Stanley still wins.
The question (especially for the machinists among us): This Ace set is made of SVCM steel, per Ace's website. (It's also made in Taiwan, a plus in my book.) The web tells me that SVCM is a tough tool steel that is "better than chrome vanadium," the previous steel that Ace used. :rolleyes: My question: Since none of the other screwdrivers among those I considered claim anything more than to be made of steel or "alloy steel," how much weight should I give the SVCM steel here? I'd really like a durable driver and would happily overlook the flanges and flutes to get more durability.
By the way, I'm now trying to ease out of this obsession...
Thanks,
Moto
*The Phillips driver is Item No. 20556. I drove 20 miles to pick up one for $4.59 plus tax, in order to check it out. A set of six flat- and Phillips-head drivers is Item No. 24000, listed on the Ace hardware site for $19.95, and available to me at a store 3 miles away.
EDIT: I think I asked a question no one can sensibly answer, since the type of "alloy" in, for example, the Stanley tool is unknown. I ended up ordering a set of the Stanleys because the construction quality and overall form of the handles was clearly better.
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I did lots of searches and didn't see anything that registered as JIS screwdriver. Just Phillips.
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https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/whatisjis
here's a good source.
Torx bits and screws are popular because they are very forgiving when a stupid robot is involved in assembly.
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I did lots of searches and didn't see anything that registered as JIS screwdriver. Just Phillips.
I got several hits, including mcmaster.com, by simply searching for "JIS screwdriver price".
But this comment claims that most so-called JIS drivers, including the ones offered by Vessel, actually follow a newer DIN/ISO standard that splits the difference between JIS and Phillips: https://rtstools.com/jis-vs-phillips-screwdrivers-and-where-to-buy-a-jis-screwdriver/ (https://rtstools.com/jis-vs-phillips-screwdrivers-and-where-to-buy-a-jis-screwdriver/).
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ISO standards are not free, of course. You can find this one listed on Amazon for $150, with an entertaining, not-to-be-missed review:
https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div (https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div)
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I got several hits, including mcmaster.com, by simply searching for "JIS screwdriver price".
But this comment claims that most so-called JIS drivers, including the ones offered by Vessel, actually follow a newer DIN/ISO standard that splits the difference between JIS and Phillips: https://rtstools.com/jis-vs-phillips-screwdrivers-and-where-to-buy-a-jis-screwdriver/ (https://rtstools.com/jis-vs-phillips-screwdrivers-and-where-to-buy-a-jis-screwdriver/).
I did go to this one, I just missed how to navigate the site. Thanks :thumb:
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For a long time I didn't even know there was a difference with JIS, but over the years I did notice that phillips screws/drivers tended to strip quite easily; apparently that was part of the original design goal so shaved apes couldn't cause damage by over tightening the fastenings in certain applications.
As stated earlier most Asian products use JIS screws as well as very high percentage of European products as well.
One of the local VRRA members started a company and sells the bits and good quality full tang screwdrivers (not sure who the manufacturer is), he does ship to the US and with the favourable exchange rate, may be worth considering, fwiw https://www.gofastinnovations.com/about
fwiw
Kelly
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This Ace set is made of SVCM steel, per Ace's website.
Sorry, I have no idea what SVCM steel is, although a guy would think CM might be Chrome Moly, maybe 4130 or 4140? Hmmm SV.. Special Version? Super Velocity? Dunno. :smiley:
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Sorry, I have no idea what SVCM steel is, although a guy would think CM might be Chrome Moly, maybe 4130 or 4140? Hmmm SV.. Special Version? Super Velocity? Dunno. :smiley:
Well, that explains it! Thanks! :grin:
Moto
More here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_resisting_steel
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_resisting_steel)
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ISO standards are not free, of course. You can find this one listed on Amazon for $150, with an entertaining, not-to-be-missed review:
https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div (https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div)
:grin: :thumb:
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I just go in the tool truck. There is also a Phillips for Japanese screws that works better on some than others.
I learned about JIS screw drivers from a dealer after stripping many of the screw heads on my Kawasaki back in the 70's. Made a huge difference.
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Hi all, 1-2-21
If you are looking for an inexpensive alternative to high end JIS screw drivers, try these from Amazon. I use them in my bit drivers (drill, straight handles, close quarter ratchets, etc.) Maybe not the strongest, but fine for my purposes...easily recognizable as JIS and very affordable.
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Be well, stay well,
DougG
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Okay, but how do you choose your socks?
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Sorry, I have no idea what SVCM steel is, although a guy would think CM might be Chrome Moly, maybe 4130 or 4140? Hmmm SV.. Special Version? Super Velocity? Dunno. :smiley:
From the autihority named Wikipedia:
SVCM steel is an alloy of carbon, silicon, chromium, magnesium (Mg), nickel, molybdenum and tungsten (W).[4] SVCM+ in addition is quenched and tempered achieving a high hardness (HRC 59).[4] SCVM+ has better torsional properties than chromium-vanadium steel (Cr-V).
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ISO standards are not free, of course. You can find this one listed on Amazon for $150, with an entertaining, not-to-be-missed review:
https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div (https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div)
P.S. to all. Don't forget to click the "Helpful" button if you found this review worthy.
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https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/whatisjis
:thumb: get a #2 JIS with full tang and you can beat on it all you want.
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ISO standards are not free, of course. You can find this one listed on Amazon for $150, with an entertaining, not-to-be-missed review:
https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div (https://www.amazon.com/ISO-8764-1-Assembly-Screwdrivers-cross-recessed/dp/B000XYSZ32#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div)
Brilliant review. Hope you don't mind if I quote it.
E. Hayot
5.0 out of 5 stars ISO 8764-1:2004 does it again!
Reviewed in the United States on October 30, 2009
The author formerly known as ISO/TC 29/SC 9, now known under the even-more-implausible name of ISO/TC 29/SC 10, pulls no punches in this, his latest masterpiece. From the title's clever reduplication of the author's name, a gesture that will recall the barely obscured autobiographical qualities of a Bellow novel, or the journal of Bernardo Soares, the reader who approaches this short text knows that he or she is in for the usual ISO/TC 29/SC 10 postmodern drubbing. Cleverly disguised as a listing of the specifics of the shapes and dimensions, technical requirements and torque test methods for the tips of hand drivers (as if!), ISO/TC 29/SC 10's novel captures the vernal marl of life in contemporary New England, the suffocating corruption of the bourgeois family and its modalities of (self-)reproduction, and those wrought and finally empty existential dilemmas that arrange the circumferences of the present. Plenty of humor here for those looking for a quick laugh (the section on H and Z form recesses is particularly well done), but also a great deal of poignancy, given that the novel offers as the only plausible salve and enclosure of its entire narrative structure (and indeed its philosophical conundrums) a reference to the famous lost work of ISO 8764-2 -- a text whose disappearance signals, perhaps, the degree to which all solutions in ISO 8764-1:2004 remain external to it.
Folks: no text about head screws is just a book about head screws. You know that, I know that. So let's stop pretending.
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UPDATE: I'm flabbergasted. Nearly awestruck.
Following my original post, above, I sent a negative, one-star review of the ill-fitting #2 Kobalt screwdriver in to the Lowe's website, but never got a reply to it (at least that I noticed). So today I checked to see if it had ever been posted.
Not only had they posted it (as the only review), complete with my photo of the competing screwdrivers, but they apparently WITHDREW THE #2 SCREWDRIVER FROM SALE (across the country I suppose)!
All the other screwdrivers in the series seem to still be available both at my local store for pickup, and by delivery!
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Here is my review, as they posted it:
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Did not fit a #2 Phillips screw
In considering what set to get, I compared this Kobalt #2 Phillips screwdriver with similar ones from Stanley, Klein, Craftsman and Ace. It was the only one that would not fit all the way into a 50-year old, unmolested Phillips #2 screw head that I used as my standard. An ill-fitting Phillips screwdriver will of course ruin screws. Do not buy this one.
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The web page where it appears is https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Plastic-Handle-2-Phillips-Screwdriver/50158883 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Plastic-Handle-2-Phillips-Screwdriver/50158883) .
(https://i.ibb.co/P9vXpFS/Screen-Shot-2021-01-29-at-1-02-48-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/P9vXpFS)
Amazingly, my single review seems to have had an effect on this huge company. Say what you will about Lowe's, they may sell junk, but at least they care when this is pointed out!
Perhaps quality control will rectify the problem and return this item to the store. Hope so.
Moto
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I have to confess, I never knew there was so to do about screwdrivers. I just thought they were flat or phillips and came in different lengths and sizes more or less in a random fashion.
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Somewhere there is somebody cursing because the screwdriver that fit the best in his machine is no longer available at Lowe’s :evil:
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"If everything was torx or hex head I'd be happy. I see zero need for phillips and even less need for slotted."
I can't remember the last time I used a slotted screw.
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UPDATE: I'm flabbergasted. Nearly awestruck.
Following my original post, above, I sent a negative, one-star review of the ill-fitting #2 Kobalt screwdriver in to the Lowe's website, but never got a reply to it (at least that I noticed). So today I checked to see if it had ever been posted.
Not only had they posted it (as the only review), complete with my photo of the competing screwdrivers, but they apparently WITHDREW THE #2 SCREWDRIVER FROM SALE (across the country I suppose)!
All the other screwdrivers in the series seem to still be available both at my local store for pickup, and by delivery!
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Here is my review, as they posted it:
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Did not fit a #2 Phillips screw
In considering what set to get, I compared this Kobalt #2 Phillips screwdriver with similar ones from Stanley, Klein, Craftsman and Ace. It was the only one that would not fit all the way into a 50-year old, unmolested Phillips #2 screw head that I used as my standard. An ill-fitting Phillips screwdriver will of course ruin screws. Do not buy this one.
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The web page where it appears is https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Plastic-Handle-2-Phillips-Screwdriver/50158883 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Plastic-Handle-2-Phillips-Screwdriver/50158883) .
(https://i.ibb.co/P9vXpFS/Screen-Shot-2021-01-29-at-1-02-48-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/P9vXpFS)
Amazingly, my single review seems to have had an effect on this huge company. Say what you will about Lowe's, they may sell junk, but at least they care when this is pointed out!
Perhaps quality control will rectify the problem and return this item to the store. Hope so.
Moto
It will be interesting to revisit this in the future when Lowes/Kobalt comes out with a replacement... Ive said it before, and will again.I am vary pleased with how much the Kobalt brand has improved in the last few years. Times like this it seems I now know why.
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Lowes Kobalt 6 in 1 for 7.98 with a lifetime warranty is one I have in my tool drawer and tool bag. I use it more than I would have thought. It doesn't replace the dozens of special purpose screwdrivers one may accumulate over the years but, it works fine for what it is.
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Lowes Kobalt 6 in 1 for 7.98 with a lifetime warranty is one I have in my tool drawer and tool bag. I use it more than I would have thought. It doesn't replace the dozens of special purpose screwdrivers one may accumulate over the years but, it works fine for what it is.
I somehow managed to break mine in half, basically handle came off the metal. Problem is I rarely go to Lowe's and when I do the screwdriver is still at home. Only time I've had that happen and I almost exclusively use 6 in 1 or multi tip screwdriveres.
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Somewhere there is somebody cursing because the screwdriver that fit the best in his machine is no longer available at Lowe’s :evil:
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I'm a bit alarmed that a screw head on the back of my cabinet door may become a national standard. You'd think they could buy their own screw and check the fit themselves.
Moto
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JIS screwdrivers make a huge difference. I also prefer Torx over Hex screws. I recently bought a 2016 Jeep Wrangler and installed a winch. I used tamper resistant Torx Button head screws on the skid plate covering the winch bolts to hopefully prevent winch theft.
(https://i.ibb.co/mymyvSs/M5-Security-Screw-Tamper-Resistant-Pin-in-Torx-Drive-Button-Head-Socket-Cap-Torx-Screws-Stainless.webp) (https://ibb.co/mymyvSs)
Always a mystery to me. Any thief would have the drivers for tamper resistant screws anyway.
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Wat always piqued my curiosity was why they put them in bathroom stalls.
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https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/whatisjis
I keep Vessel and Felo at two locations. All the others make great punches & drifts.