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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: SLDMRossi on January 06, 2021, 11:40:58 AM
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http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2020/12/bmw-executive-indicates-sport-tourers-are-being-replaced-by-adventure-bikes-with-17-front-wheels/
Steven Rossi
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There have been “street adventure” bikes for over a decade. This is not news.
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That will depend on the Guzzi marketing dept and whether they think its worth the effort.
Triumph has gone this route with the Tiger, the off road focused models get spoked wheels with a larger diameter front wheel, the more on road focused get cast with generally a 19 inch front.
Not everyone who rides an "adventure" bike has the requirement, skill or want to take 200kg plus motorcycles off road, most however do want something comfortable with good fuel range and an "all road" capability.
There is a definate nitch in the market for such a bike.
Now the question is has Guzzi been paying attention.
Cheers
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Who said it was news? It was a question...when?
On the other hand, thank you Pete for adding some value to the discussion,
SR
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I have been riding one for years. 06 Buell XB12x Ulysses.
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Who said it was news?
Motorcycle Daily, and BMW.
There are aftermarket wheel makers. You don't have to wait until MG makes them.
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I would have thought that Guzzi would have equipped the Travel model with cast wheels. Had they done so, there probably be one parked in my garage now.
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I'm also of that opinion. I'll never get another new(ish) motorcycle with tubes. Just not gonna.............. ......
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I'm also of that opinion. I'll never get another new(ish) motorcycle with tubes. Just not gonna.............. ......
I am not a fan of tubes in high speed motorcycles. This is probably what has kept me from buying the V85TT, but I don't want cast wheels on it either. They should have put tubeless spoked rims even if it raised the price of the bike $500.
I've had no issues or flats with tubes on my Himalayan or Van Van.
I always put a new tube when changing tires.
I'm told the Van Van can limp home with no air in the tires and good luck breaking the bead to change out a tube.
In over 300,000 miles I have only had to do a roadside repair once (tubeless).
I have discovered a nail in the rear tire during pre-ride inspections at home twice (tubeless).
I had my wife come get me once because I was only 30 miles away and the tube was shredded, and got a tow 60 miles to home once because I couldn't find the puncture in the pouring rain at the end of a 4000 mile ride and just wanted to get home (tubeless).
So, 5 flats in over 300,000 miles. Not too bad I guess.
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I don’t have one of these bikes but what about doing the process of converting a tube type wheel to tubeless?
From what I understand it can be accomplished rather easily and effectively.
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I don’t have one of these bikes but what about doing the process of converting a tube spike wheel to tubeless?
From what I understand it can be accompanied rather easily and effectively.
I'm with the King of the Fleecing ( :boozing: )
Even if you seal em, you still have to check spoke tightness and potentially might need to true them eventually, you still might want to clean them (PIA).
Thing is I don't even prefer the look of the spokes.
So I would need a STRONG reason to settle for a bike that had one.
YMMV and all that, it's just a taste thing not a wrong or right thing.
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30 days after I'm too old to ride anymore!
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I asked Jim Hamlin to swop out the wires for cast on my then new V7 IIIR. I made $200.00 and powder coated the cast wheels. I won't leave town on tubed tires,
I've had only one flat on a mc in 70 yrs. of riding motorcycles. I have a few bikes with wire wheels but doubt I would do an overnight ride on them. R3~
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I asked Jim Hamlin to swop out the wires for cast on my then new V7 IIIR. I made $200.00 and powder coated the cast wheels. I won't leave town on tubed tires,
I've had only one flat on a mc in 70 yrs. of riding motorcycles. I have a few bikes with wire wheels but doubt I would do an overnight ride on them. R3~
One flat in 70 years, but won't do an overnight ride on tube tires. :shocked: :huh:
Your town must employ the best street sweepers in the nation!
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I had a flat on the brand new Michelins on the Tundra in November and a week later on the Samauri on new AT tires. tiny finishing nail. Screw spokes. my V7III and the V85 got fixed first tire change. As I recall I had something like 7 flats between the 4 and 2 wheeled vehicles with maybe a total of 50,000 miles. Unlucky? Maybe but there is crap all over our highways.
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I had a flat on the brand new Michelins on the Tundra in November and a week later on the Samauri on new AT tires. tiny finishing nail. Screw spokes. my V7III and the V85 got fixed first tire change. As I recall I had something like 7 flats between the 4 and 2 wheeled vehicles with maybe a total of 50,000 miles. Unlucky? Maybe but there is crap all over our highways.
Unlucky? Without any doubt, I'd say so. In over 200K of two wheel riding I've only had one flat. I don't consider that overly luck. Including four wheelers is not really useful for comparison. In terms of contact area you're comparing Cutie's with cucumbers. As far as cast wheels go, I've never owned a bike with cast wheels
Mark
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Meanwhile they put tubeless spoked wheels on the new Aprilia Tuareg. :angry:
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Twowheeladdict, others?.
Please don't think I've not been 'tested'. Until 4 years ago I was averaging 30K+/year on motorcycles. B4 that there were a few bigger #/year. I also drove commercially cross country 5, 6 & 7 axle trucks. For a few years I did trade shows here - Mexico and in Europe. The burning question remains: Why is the flat always on the inside tire of a dual set? Keep safe, R3~
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The burning question remains: Why is the flat always on the inside tire of a dual set? Keep safe, R3~
Probably for the same reason more rear punctures on motorcycles than front. The front tire usually runs over the object first and stands it up, then it goes in the rear. The inside rear is more in line with the front than the outside. It could also be simply because it's harder to get to :smiley: .
Dave
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New 85TT for 2021. Should have tubeless tyres.
https://www.inmoto.it/news/news/anteprime/2021/01/13-3815264/moto_guzzi_v85_tt_2021_motore_rivisto_e_pneumatici_tubless/
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New 85TT for 2021. Should have tubeless tyres.
https://www.inmoto.it/news/news/anteprime/2021/01/13-3815264/moto_guzzi_v85_tt_2021_motore_rivisto_e_pneumatici_tubless/
Oh man! This just got real!
I may hold out one more year because I want the Italian Flag colors with a red frame. Trying to decide which bike to part with in order to get the V85TT is going to be a difficult decision.
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More...
https://www.rideapart.com/news/465952/2021-moto-guzzi-v85tt-update/
SR
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More...
https://www.rideapart.com/news/465952/2021-moto-guzzi-v85tt-update/
SR
YES! Close enough. Tubeless baby! :thumb:
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More...
https://www.rideapart.com/news/465952/2021-moto-guzzi-v85tt-update/
SR
Makes me wonder if that means a reduction in overall HP and now the same as the new V7.
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Oh man! This just got real!
I may hold out one more year because I want the Italian Flag colors with a red frame. Trying to decide which bike to part with in order to get the V85TT is going to be a difficult decision.
(https://i.ibb.co/hX9Lw68/BDB4-C5-D4-23-D5-41-D0-AAB7-05-A76222963-A.png) (https://ibb.co/hX9Lw68)
(https://i.ibb.co/qjsLykq/6-ADD8-B02-D3-AE-4-CEC-932-B-1-F168-C6118-E1.png) (https://ibb.co/qjsLykq)
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Makes me wonder if that means a reduction in overall HP and now the same as the new V7.
That's the first question that popped into my mind. But I doubt it because I still expect the new V7 to have the smaller throttle body bore MUIG unit.
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Color only. Not the other mods that make the bike look strange.
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Hopefully if they offer cast wheels they also offer the choice of getting them in 17/17.
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Probably for the same reason more rear punctures on motorcycles than front. The front tire usually runs over the object first and stands it up, then it goes in the rear. The inside rear is more in line with the front than the outside. It could also be simply because it's harder to get to :smiley: .
Dave
Why is the tire always only flat on the bottom?
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Why is the tire always only flat on the bottom?
....Because the top has air in it! :popcorn:
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I'm with the King of the Fleecing ( :boozing: )
Even if you seal em, you still have to check spoke tightness and potentially might need to true them eventually, you still might want to clean them (PIA).
Thing is I don't even prefer the look of the spokes.
So I would need a STRONG reason to settle for a bike that had one.
YMMV and all that, it's just a taste thing not a wrong or right thing.
Two questions. Do modern spoke wheels still need a tube? I also would be amazed if a modern spoke wheel still needs regular spoke tensioning, is this the actual case.
I'd just assumed both of these things would have been totally covered by now with better design and materials.
Ciao
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Two questions. Do modern spoke wheels still need a tube? I also would be amazed if a modern spoke wheel still needs regular spoke tensioning, is this the actual case.
I'd just assumed both of these things would have been totally covered by now with better design and materials.
Ciao
Some spoked wheels do not require tubes, but most of them still do.
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Not counting true dirt bike riding because flats happen more often, I've only had two flats in my road riding over 25 years. One was on a Triumph Sprint ST in ~2005 the other was my new MG V85TT ADV a few months ago. Two flats in 25 years, I'll take my chances with tubes or tubeless.
I agree that if you are only riding asphalt or primarily clear fire roads, tubeless tires are the way to go. Way easier to fix in a pinch. However if you really ride off-road tubes are superior to tubeless. I've been on two rides where bike rims hit rocks and bent the bead. On a tubeless tire, there is no fix without a hammer or way to bend the rim. With a tube you can ride on with a bent rim.
I replaced a Suzuki DR650 with my MG V85TT ADV. I didn't expect to ride the V85TT on anything but easy forrest service roads. However, it has been on two off-road trips since I purchased it in Sept 2020. I took it to Telico Plains TN and followed some 250 dual sports in areas where I probably didn't belong on a 500+ lb motorcycle. The V85TT handled everything I threw at it which means it has way more capability than me.
As far as the 2021 V85TT is concerned, if it gets more low end without sacrificing top end capability and vibration then count me in. If it sacrifices top end, then I'm not interested. I think the current version splits the off-road and on-road capability pretty well. I can ride it at 90 mph all day with very little vibration and can pass any car on the road.
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Of what use are cast wheels on a "tutto terrano" bike?
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Of what use are cast wheels on a "tutto terrano" bike?
For someone that wants a comfortable bike with no pretense of being an “off-roader”.
Kawasaki Versys 650 and 1000.
Suzuki V-stroms before the latest “adventure “ iterations
Some of the Triumph Tiger models came with cast wheels
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Two questions. Do modern spoke wheels still need a tube? I also would be amazed if a modern spoke wheel still needs regular spoke tensioning, is this the actual case.
I'd just assumed both of these things would have been totally covered by now with better design and materials.
Ciao
I guess you would need to define "modern." Obviously there ARE modern designs that preclude the use of tubes, but by observation I would say the vast majority of spoked wheels on the market even today still use tubes.
And again, I would have to define the term "regular" with regards to spoke tensioning, but all of the motorcycle manuals I've been writing (largely for dirt, moto-cross etc) bikes that have spoke wheels list checking tightness (as well as axial and radial runouts) as part of routine maintenance. Now since I don't regularly service any of these I can't say if that is just typical OEM CYA regarding possible needed maintenance or if some of the spokes are regularly found to be loose. I tend to think it's the former, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ever check it or that you might not wind up having to true a wheel.
To be clear, I think tubeless is a huge step forward for the TT, but I still don't want spokes tubeless or not. But that's a personal preference.
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Cast wheels are very rigid and fine with high power and high speed .
Spoke wheels don't like high power, lateral bending and torsion. But are fine with frontal shocks. It is a non deformable but sligthly flexible structure convenient for off road bikes.
By the way (not my bike) :sad:
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I guess you would need to define "modern." Obviously there ARE modern designs that preclude the use of tubes, but by observation I would say the vast majority of spoked wheels on the market even today still use tubes.
And again, I would have to define the term "regular" with regards to spoke tensioning, but all of the motorcycle manuals I've been writing (largely for dirt, moto-cross etc) bikes that have spoke wheels list checking tightness (as well as axial and radial runouts) as part of routine maintenance. Now since I don't regularly service any of these I can't say if that is just typical OEM CYA regarding possible needed maintenance or if some of the spokes are regularly found to be loose. I tend to think it's the former, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ever check it or that you might not wind up having to true a wheel.
To be clear, I think tubeless is a huge step forward for the TT, but I still don't want spokes tubeless or not. But that's a personal preference.
I guess I should have been more specific. I can see how a motorcross bike or a genuine off road/enduro bike getting hammered off jumps and rough tracks etc going for maximum lightness would still need all the old spoke wheel maintenance and tubed tyres.
What I was thinking was for modern road and adventure bikes. I know BMW rims have been tubeless for years but I would have imagined that a bike like a Grisso SE with spoked wheels would have had some form of alternative rim sealing by now to use tubeless tyres. I also would have assumed that on say an SE that unless you put it through some extreme conditions that it probably wasn't really designed for that spoke tightening would be pretty much a thing of the past. Spoke checking sure just like a cast wheel where you check for cracking periodically but I would have thought spoke tensioning would have been over engineered out by now in this minimal maintenance world. Anyone with a large spoke wheeled bike enlighten me? I havent had a spoke wheeled bike in 30 years and those were almost 20 years then.
Ciao
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I guess I should have been more specific. I can see how a motorcross bike or a genuine off road/enduro bike getting hammered off jumps and rough tracks etc going for maximum lightness would still need all the old spoke wheel maintenance and tubed tyres.
What I was thinking was for modern road and adventure bikes. I know BMW rims have been tubeless for years but I would have imagined that a bike like a Grisso SE with spoked wheels would have had some form of alternative rim sealing by now to use tubeless tyres. I also would have assumed that on say an SE that unless you put it through some extreme conditions that it probably wasn't really designed for that spoke tightening would be pretty much a thing of the past. Spoke checking sure just like a cast wheel where you check for cracking periodically but I would have thought spoke tensioning would have been over engineered out by now in this minimal maintenance world. Anyone with a large spoke wheeled bike enlighten me? I havent had a spoke wheeled bike in 30 years and those were almost 20 years then.
Ciao
You need to quit making assumptions :laugh:
Spoked wheels on many BMW's required tubes up until a couple of years ago. The F/G series and the R9T for example. I don't know which ones, if any, currently do.
I have not had to retension the spokes on my old BMW. For a mostly road bike I wouldn't worry about that as a regular maintenance item. Regarding tubes, you need to research any bike you're considering that has spoked rims, otherwise you may get a surprise at the first tire change or first flat.
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I guess I should have been more specific. I can see how a motorcross bike or a genuine off road/enduro bike getting hammered off jumps and rough tracks etc going for maximum lightness would still need all the old spoke wheel maintenance and tubed tyres.
What I was thinking was for modern road and adventure bikes. I know BMW rims have been tubeless for years but I would have imagined that a bike like a Grisso SE with spoked wheels would have had some form of alternative rim sealing by now to use tubeless tyres. I also would have assumed that on say an SE that unless you put it through some extreme conditions that it probably wasn't really designed for that spoke tightening would be pretty much a thing of the past. Spoke checking sure just like a cast wheel where you check for cracking periodically but I would have thought spoke tensioning would have been over engineered out by now in this minimal maintenance world. Anyone with a large spoke wheeled bike enlighten me? I havent had a spoke wheeled bike in 30 years and those were almost 20 years then.
Ciao
Understood and you're probably not wrong about tightening being a rarity on a road bike.
See MOb on the rest. Most are still unsealed and tubed.
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Good news for 2021 V85TT
Take a close look at these new wheels.
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I realise that this thread is now over 2 years old, please don't shoot me :violent1:.
I've been searching, but I don't seem to have found an answer to the question posed in this thread. Does anyone know if it might happen, or have the MG HQ devoted everything to the new Stelvio? Failing a genuine set of cast/alloy wheels for the V85, are any particular aftermarket ones compatible? Sorry if that was a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find the answer yet.
Thanks for looking,
Steve
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I realise that this thread is now over 2 years old, please don't shoot me :violent1:.
I've been searching, but I don't seem to have found an answer to the question posed in this thread. Does anyone know if it might happen, or have the MG HQ devoted everything to the new Stelvio? Failing a genuine set of cast/alloy wheels for the V85, are any particular aftermarket ones compatible? Sorry if that was a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find the answer yet.
Thanks for looking,
Steve
The V85TT wheels are now tubeless so no need for fuller cast wheels.
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I think what Lovey is asking, and this is the same question posed by the op in the title of this thread, is whether MG will ever make a V85 TT with cast wheels, like Triumph has done with the Tiger GT.
Or whether there are aftermarket cast wheels adaptable to the V85 TT.
And to clarify a point raised by Lucky Phil over 2 years ago, the Griso SE spoked wheels are and have always been tubeless by ways of sealing o-rings at the nipples which have been reported to leak on rare occasions and had to be replaced. But I’ve never heard of them having had to be re-trued or tensioned.
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Color only. Not the other mods that make the bike look strange.
Which particular mods do you suggest, make the bike look “strange…”?
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I think what Lovey is asking, and this is the same question posed by the op in the title of this thread, is whether MG will ever make a V85 TT with cast wheels, like Triumph has done with the Tiger GT.
Or whether there are aftermarket cast wheels adaptable to the V85 TT.
Exactly. I like the seating position of the V85, bit I don't plan to go off road on it, so no need for spokes. I also don't like the look of spoked wheels not the thought of cleaning them 😭.
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Exactly. I like the seating position of the V85, bit I don't plan to go off road on it, so no need for spokes. I also don't like the look of spoked wheels not the thought of cleaning them 😭.
Since this thread is old I figured you didn’t want the tube wheels that came on the V85TT. Now that they are tubeless without the possibility of leaking I figured they would serve the purpose you desired. Didn’t know it was a “look” issue.
I doubt they will come out with a model with cast wheels when they can just sell you a V100.
You could make some inquiries as to whether the V9 or V7 850 wheels would work.
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Which particular mods do you suggest, make the bike look “strange…”?
That post was 2 1/2 years ago. I bought the Guardia D’Onore so obviously my taste had changed.
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That post was 2 1/2 years ago. I bought the Guardia D’Onore so obviously my taste had changed.
Ok, that’s fair enough.
Mine changed too, after I took all the stuff off my V85 that I didn’t like…
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Since this thread is old I figured you didn’t want the tube wheels that came on the V85TT. Now that they are tubeless without the possibility of leaking I figured they would serve the purpose you desired. Didn’t know it was a “look” issue.
Yes, I am that shallow, it is about the looks. As mentioned by another poster, the Triumph Tiger and the BMW GS have a version that comes with alloy/cast wheels, which would suit my needs better than spokes.
I doubt they will come out with a model with cast wheels when they can just sell you a V100.
I didn't think that the factory would bother speccing the V85 up with options when the new Stelvio is around the corner.
You could make some inquiries as to whether the V9 or V7 850 wheels would work.
I was hoping that someone may have already done something similar to this, hence my 'late to the party' question.
Thanks for looking,
Steve
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Putting spoke wheels on a cast wheel bike, is always about the hubs, especially the rear one.
Most anything else can be made to fit and laced up, but getting that rear drive to fit will not be easy.
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Yes, I am that shallow, it is about the looks. As mentioned by another poster, the Triumph Tiger and the BMW GS have a version that comes with alloy/cast wheels, which would suit my needs better than spokes.
I didn't think that the factory would bother speccing the V85 up with options when the new Stelvio is around the corner.
I was hoping that someone may have already done something similar to this, hence my 'late to the party' question.
Thanks for looking,
Steve
If the Stelvio is a hit, and the EU keeps tightening their chokehold on the industry, the V85TT may go away.