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Title: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 18, 2021, 12:13:31 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Moto-Guzzi-Centauro/174642215161?hash=item28a97cb8f9:g:EdEAAOSwpupgLbjT

What will the *RESERVE* and final bid go for?!? :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Joliet Jim on February 18, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
Needless to say I hope it goes for a lot. It looks like a very nice repainted example since I don't believe that was a color offered.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: arveno on February 18, 2021, 04:22:20 PM
in Moe's world i bet the reserve is set at 10 grand lol
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Griso8V on February 18, 2021, 04:46:46 PM
Wow, that is a nice bike.  If it was mine the reserve would be at least $10K.
Tony
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 18, 2021, 04:59:06 PM
Wow, that is a nice bike.  If it was mine the reserve would be at least $10K.
Tony

Yes, I agree, it's a nice example! :thumb: :cool: :wink: :smiley: 

I hope it brings the owner $$$ TOP DOLLAR! $$$ :thumb: :cool:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Rough Edge racing on February 18, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
Valve cover says ohc 4 valve.....what's the story on this engine? Any serious issues ?
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: keuka4884 on February 18, 2021, 05:52:14 PM
It's Moe. Reserve is probably $20,000.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: lucky phil on February 18, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Valve cover says ohc 4 valve.....what's the story on this engine? Any serious issues ?

Plenty. Parts for the top end are virtually impossible to get now and the fact that they only ever made around 3900 of these engines in all their guises total that's not likely to change in the future. One with this low mileage would be a good buy as long as you weren't going to put a lot of miles on it over the years.

Ciao
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Tom on February 18, 2021, 08:21:12 PM
Needless to say I hope it goes for a lot. It looks like a very nice repainted example since I don't believe that was a color offered.

I don't remember an all black either.  Closest would be the anthracite model.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Turin on February 18, 2021, 08:23:52 PM
I saw it a few weeks ago at Moes shop. The bike looks really really nice. It's not a restoration so it'll probably go for a decent price. I know it's fun to shit on what he charges for a restoration, but goddamn are those bikes are beautiful and those guys take a lot of pride in what they do. If you pop in, get a T-shirt !
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 19, 2021, 07:46:01 AM
I saw it a few weeks ago at Moes shop. The bike looks really really nice. It's not a restoration so it'll probably go for a decent price. I know it's fun to shit on what he charges for a restoration, but goddamn are those bikes are beautiful and those guys take a lot of pride in what they do. If you pop in, get a T-shirt !

As of this morning, Feb. 19th...$2,185...8 bids...5 days to go. 

I agree with Turin, say what you want about the cost, but restorations from Moe and his team at Cycle Garden are "FIRST CLASS" :thumb: :cool: :smiley: :thumb:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 20, 2021, 07:59:29 AM
$2,650 now... (morning of Feb. 20th)... and still 4 days left to GO!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: TN Mark on February 20, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
Is it a Centauro GT with a Centauro Sport fairing and chin spoiler or a repainted tail end Centauro Sport with a Centauro GT seat and luggage rack? The ad mentions the belts have been replaced but not that the oil pump has been upgraded which would be a missed opportunity.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 21, 2021, 06:30:21 AM
Now at $3,050...14 bids...RESERVE NOT MET...3 days to GO!!  :wink: :thumb: :cool:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Joliet Jim on February 21, 2021, 09:10:07 AM
All I know is that it would be hard to replace the fun factor of my Centauro for less than 5k, so still hoping it climbs higher
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 21, 2021, 09:15:27 AM
All I know is that it would be hard to replace the fun factor of my Centauro for less than 5k, so still hoping it climbs higher

I sometime think about selling my Centauro GT...then, I go for a ride on it and say: "What was I even thinking?!?" :wink:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Joliet Jim on February 21, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
I sometime think about selling my Centauro GT...then, I go for a ride on it and say: "What was I even thinking?!?" :wink:

damn I thought that was only me.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Charles in Lake Charles on February 21, 2021, 03:09:46 PM
Same here.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: AH Fan on February 21, 2021, 05:22:19 PM
I sometime think about selling my Centauro GT...then, I go for a ride on it and say: "What was I even thinking?!?" :wink:

Isnt that the truth.
Spectacular machine to ride and that engine is just sooo sexy.......   :bow:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 22, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
Now at $3,451...and 2 days still to GO!!  :thumb: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: steven c on February 22, 2021, 09:01:32 AM
 What did the one on BAT sell for?
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 22, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
What did the one on BAT sell for?

Average price here for the three of $8,050... :wink: :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://i.ibb.co/D4Yb6n1/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-8-06-47-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/D4Yb6n1)
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2021, 07:01:12 AM
$3,751 - 23 bids - 1+ day to GO!! :thumb: :smiley: :wink:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on February 23, 2021, 07:11:58 AM
Average price here for the three of $8,050... :wink: :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://i.ibb.co/D4Yb6n1/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-8-06-47-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/D4Yb6n1)


Two of those pics are the same bike. It bid up to 9k and the sale fell thru, it was relisted and went for $6,8xx
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
Two of those pics are the same bike. It bid up to 9k and the sale fell thru, it was relisted and went for $6,8xx


Yes, you are right...and I remember that happening...
So about $6,500-$6,800 seems to be the CMV (Current Market Value), which I guess is not too bad for a classic Centauro :wink:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on February 23, 2021, 07:35:51 AM

Yes, you are right...and I remember that happening...
So about $6,500-$6,800 seems to be the CMV (Current Market Value), which I guess is not too bad for a classic Centauro :wink:

Heck yeah, thats pretty good-- BAT numbers! Glad for the owners, but not a bike for me. $6k seems kinda spendy for an engine donor  :evil:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: rocker59 on February 23, 2021, 07:53:02 AM
Valve cover says ohc 4 valve.....what's the story on this engine? Any serious issues ?

It's the same engine as the Daytona RS of 1997.

Oil pump was an issue.  Easy fix.

lots of unobtanium on this bike, so wouldn't recommend for a daily driver.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: rocker59 on February 23, 2021, 07:57:21 AM
Is it a Centauro GT with a Centauro Sport fairing and chin spoiler or a repainted tail end Centauro Sport with a Centauro GT seat and luggage rack? 

There is no way to know that answer for sure, as the difference between a GT and a Sport was paint, seat, luggage rack, and windscreen.  Except for the paint, all bolt on accessories. 

Import numbers being what they were, odds are it's a GT with the accessories changed around.  The chin spoiler and bikini fairing were available in the accessories catalog.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: lucky phil on February 23, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
It's the same engine as the Daytona RS of 1997.

Oil pump was an issue.  Easy fix.

lots of unobtanium on this bike, so wouldn't recommend for a daily driver.

Yes all true. Oil pump is a straight forward fix as is the cam drive gear which is also a weak link as it's made of aluminium and wears badly. The aluminium oil pump drive gear tends to fail as well. So a set of steel gears and decent pump $1500USD. Both mandatory if you are going to put miles on it but not if it's not ridden much.
I'll leave out the top end issues as it's the same scenario, low usage no big worries, want to put another 30,000 miles on it then you need to upgrade parts.

Ciao       
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Tusayan on February 23, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
My price for Caruso gears and oil pump with shipping to US was as follows, cutting and pasting from email, but this was 2012.   The total was anyway equivalent to $1080 USD at that time, using today's exchange rate.

STEEL OIL PUMP GEAR TO FIT DAS PUMP                         £160.00
STEEL LARGE JACKSHAFT GEAR 16M COMPUTER              £275.00
DAS OIL PUMP,INCL BANK  CHARGES /SHIPPING              £265.00
GLOBAL PRIORITY  TRACKED SHIPPING TO USA               £  65.00
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL                                                                            £765.00     ENGLISH POUNDS
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: lucky phil on February 23, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
My price for Caruso gears and oil pump with shipping to US was as follows, cutting and pasting from email, but this was 2012.   The total was anyway equivalent to $1080 USD at that time, using today's exchange rate.

STEEL OIL PUMP GEAR TO FIT DAS PUMP                         £160.00
STEEL LARGE JACKSHAFT GEAR 16M COMPUTER              £275.00
DAS OIL PUMP,INCL BANK  CHARGES /SHIPPING              £265.00
GLOBAL PRIORITY  TRACKED SHIPPING TO USA               £  65.00
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL                                                                            £765.00     ENGLISH POUNDS


As of 2 weeks ago, for the next batch

___________________ ___________________ ___________________ _____________
CENTAURO  Large Steel Gear            365.00
CENTAURO  Oil Pump Steel Gear      265.00
CENTAURO  upgraded Oil Pump       380.00

@ Rate 1.41=  $1426.03 USD plus shipping and any taxes.

Ciao
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: Tusayan on February 23, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
4.1% annual inflation since 2012, neglecting currency exchange rate changes  :grin:

Joe has improved the oil pump gear since I installed mine, re-spacing the lightening holes that were laid out improperly on Guzzi's original aluminum gear.   In addition to being made from the wrong material by Guzzi, this was one reason the original gear breaks into pieces, as well as wearing quickly on the teeth.  I'm not sure this was ever an issue with a steel gear, the material is much, much stronger but it sure looks like a better design visually.
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2021, 06:31:58 PM
Yes, I had the Joe Caruso oil pump gear / timing gear, etc. replaced from aluminum to steel a few years ago.  "The weak link of that 4V motor FIXED!!"  It cost about $600 USD back then, as I recall... :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://i.ibb.co/f0q3tgQ/DSC-0009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f0q3tgQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/Q7WJf55/DSC-0008.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q7WJf55)

(https://i.ibb.co/mBvCzWB/DSC-0007.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mBvCzWB)

(https://i.ibb.co/2SJCYMD/DSC-0006.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2SJCYMD)
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: lucky phil on February 23, 2021, 07:08:42 PM
4.1% annual inflation since 2012, neglecting currency exchange rate changes  :grin:

Joe has improved the oil pump gear since I installed mine, re-spacing the lightening holes that were laid out improperly on Guzzi's original aluminum gear.   In addition to being made from the wrong material by Guzzi, this was one reason the original gear breaks into pieces, as well as wearing quickly on the teeth.  I'm not sure this was ever an issue with a steel gear, the material is much, much stronger but it sure looks like a better design visually.

And there's a better iteration again in the future which will allow his pumps to go back to the std Centauro 21mm wide gears. My Centy engine has the DAS pump and Joes gears and my V11 engine has his gears only. My 95mm bore Centy engine will have Joes gears and the next generation pump with the plain bearing for the drive gear.

Ciao

Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 24, 2021, 07:28:42 AM
Now at $4,050...27 bids...less than 12 hours to GO...*RESERVE NOT MET* :thumb: :cool: :smiley: :wink:
Title: Re: '98 Centauro on...fleaBay!!
Post by: JJ on February 24, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Now at $5,506 - 34 bids - less than 8 hours to GO - RESERVE NOT MET!!  :rolleyes: :shocked: