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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on April 27, 2021, 10:07:59 AM
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https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/electra-glide-revival.html?source_cd=Email_0426_AprNLInsider&camp_id=16&CL_ID=12563067752&ext_tracking=992e9d7f359ef1675c94f4e2124b542ebd5dc300aa5e8b6bf2972ee491928a33
Modern version of the classic 1969 Electra Glide - only $29,199!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked:
(https://i.ibb.co/846385T/Screen-Shot-2021-04-27-at-8-08-40-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/846385T)
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ELVIS! CLAMBAKE!!
not quite, but close
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only $30k.
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LOVE IT!!!
Coming from a 69 FLH owner and lover, my hat's off to this a great project! My 69 is black on black, but I have always liked the 69 Sparkling Blue and black combo .
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Looks comfortable. Nice seat. It's good to see Harley getting away from the Willy G low seat uncomfortable legs way out in front position. Some would describe it in another manner but this is a family site.
It looks like a police model with a nice seat and retro style bags. Still, it looks good. The add hinted at more models to follow.
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Looks GREAT to me!
-AJ
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Oh I like it!!! I tend to like the more classic styled HD's..
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With that later frame with triangular battery/oil tank cover under the seat, it looks more like a rehash of my 1990 Evo Eletraglide Classic than my unrestored blue & white 1974 FLH, which is what they called an Electraglide after they quit calling them Electraglide a year or two before.
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To me, that's a huge styling clue difference between an old bike and a new bike that it easy to spot from a mile away, like comparing a V7 Classic or Racer to a real V7 Sport or 850 Lemans with a Tonti frame..
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To me, that's a huge styling clue difference between an old bike and a new bike that it easy to spot from a mile away, like comparing a V7 Classic or Racer to a real V7 Sport or 850 Lemans with a Tonti frame..
Agree with all, but I still give Brad Richards and his styling team an A+ for coming up with this. They do have to work within the confines of the current model.
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Harley's, like Guzzi's, can be fitted with many parts to change the looks. So for $4000 I can make my 2002 ElectraGlide look like that.
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^^^^^ this is my point. Right now, Evo baggers like my 90 are way less than $30k. It's a nice looking bike, just not that different than a previous revamp of the name decades ago.
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I love it. Everything but the price.
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I’d buy one in a skinny minute!
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It's probably the best looking modern Harley cruiser that I've seen... just wish that hunkin' metallic dash wasn't stuck onto the tank, breaking up the basic aesthetics.
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Well then I don't get your point. I loved my EVO RK, but the current M8 motor, 6-spd, linked Brembo brakes through the ABS or advanced RDRS (ABS, Traction Control etc) system, with stiffer chassis, better suspension, longer lasting dual compound rubber etc is miles and miles ahead of an old EVO.
You don't argue that the new product isn't worth the price because you can have an antique for less that is half as capable JUST because it looks similar.
I'm not questioning that these modern bikes are not light years away from and far more user friendly than the old real versions. But if the new machines are superior in every way, why do they need a name and look recycled from apparently inferior models of the past to make them relevant, marketable or profitable?
If all that matters is superficially looking similar while proclaiming you're riding an Electraglide or an Iron bike (that's all aluminum) or a 48 (that isn't a 1948 or a 48 anything) to whomever will listen without actually having to ride a real one, I guess it's all moot. Some/many people don't want to deal with old bikes, but apparently don't mind other people thinking they do. That's why this old stuff keeps getting rehashed.
Fwiw, if this bike was called an Electraglide Classic, it would be far more palatable.
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It's probably the best looking modern Harley cruiser that I've seen... just wish that hunkin' metallic dash wasn't stuck onto the tank, breaking up the basic aesthetics.
I too, think it's quite handsome as well! :thumb: :cool: :wink: It even has a CHAIN, not a belt! :rolleyes: :shocked:
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Sorry, but the below is the best lookin HD ever made... Period
(https://i.ibb.co/Wk2vDCW/CLASSIC-1978-HARLEY-DAVIDSON.jpg)
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I guess where we depart ways is in whether or not we think this or a V7 is trying to pretend to be something it is not.
This isn't a fake non-functional kickstarter bolted to the case of an electric start motor. This is a modem, functional, capable bike with styling cures based on a classic. That doesn't mean it's pretending anything, it's imitating form/beauty, but it's true to form and self.
It's not an EVO with fake Panhead styled rocker boxes.
There is something aesthetically pleasing about the natural, flowing classic lines of some motorcycles over the more angular, unnatural, insectoid shapes that dominate too many modern designs.
Personally I feel this way about a number of things from houses to cars and trucks too. The neo-Beetles, the Mini Coopers, hell the last mustangs found their way back to classic lines over the soap bars that dominated the automotive landscape for too long. Wranglers fall into this category, hell I even think our new Defender got it right by taking cues from the past.
Even our Monster, one generation after the full trellis was abandoned is still more or less a bike with classic lines, even if it's the arguably the most modern looking machine in the garage (maybe more so than the Defender).
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This is a perfect example of why HD will not be going out of business anytime in the near seeing future. You go HD!!
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It sure looks better than some of the weird stuff HD has been coming up with lately, That Drag bike whatever its called comes to mind, and the Rockers, looked incredibly weird to me. Any time HD has tried to look "modern" they messed up, IMHO. They need to stick to the traditional look like this new bike. I think this one will sell well.
Rick.
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If I had an extra $30,000 Dollars laying around that I didn’t know what to do with I’d buy one in a minuet, I love the old school look , but I’m partial to Fl shovels !!
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I think it is a very cool motorcycle, and I would be proud to own it.
Although, personally I have a lot of other items higher on my wish list before I would purchase that bike.
Toy Hauler / Camper
Miata RF or 370Z Nismo
HD Livewire
Moto Guzzi V85TT Anniversary
Kawasaki KLX300SM
HD Pan America
I am going to try my neighbors Yamaha Tenere 700 so that might jump on the list. :laugh:
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I think it is a very cool motorcycle, and I would be proud to own it.
Although, personally I have a lot of other items higher on my wish list before I would purchase that bike.
Toy Hauler / Camper
Miata RF or 370Z Nismo
HD Livewire
Moto Guzzi V85TT Anniversary
Kawasaki KLX300SM
HD Pan America
I am going to try my neighbors Yamaha Tenere 700 so that might jump on the list. :laugh:
I can appreciate that train of thought TWA, if you’re going to kill a bear then kill a grizzly 😂👍👍👍
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On another HD thought, I was in Scottsdale HD today. They said they would be getting their Pan Americas in about 2 weeks. There appeared to be no animosity toward it and the salesman said he was excited to ride it. I saw that AadvRider picked it as the adv bike they would buy. Even over the BMW GS.
Mike
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It’s a fine looking motorcycle but all of the big twin Harleys of the last 30 years look ‘retro’ to me, not that there is a lot of surface to work with on any motorcycle but HD’s seem to stay within a narrow range of what their big cruisers should look like, nothing wrong with it if that particular image is ones idea of beauty. What do I know? I think the GUZZI bacon slicers of the 30’s and early post war period are gorgeous but many see them as unattractive and primitive.
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Sorry, but the below is the bet lookin HD ever made... Period
(https://i.ibb.co/Wk2vDCW/CLASSIC-1978-HARLEY-DAVIDSON.jpg)
Nice Aermacchi...
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I’m not much of a Harley fan but that is gorgeous. If I were rich I’d have it.
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What? No AMF sticker??? Fail!
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Aren't all Harleys by definition, retro? :evil:
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Sorry, but the below is the bet lookin HD ever made... Period
(https://i.ibb.co/Wk2vDCW/CLASSIC-1978-HARLEY-DAVIDSON.jpg)
One of the best designs to come out of Aermacchi only to see AMF sell the whole Italian venture to Cagiva at the end of 1978, Cagiva kept improving that bike.
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I wouldn't kick it out of my garage.
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I wouldn't kick it out of my garage.
At 900 lbs, you couldn't if you wanted to! :laugh:
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I like it, first H-D in awhile that I've said that. At this stage of my life I can afford to buy one. But....and a big but....WEIGHT, IN RUNNING ORDER 862 lb.
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it's a Harley with a paint job, banana seat and a $30k price.
How many used Glides could be done for a paint job and a seat for < $10K? Jus' sayin'. I'm surprised that they haven't already sold that paint scheme.
OTOH, it looks pretty cool. I hope they have the outfit with the Captain's hat and striped pants. :wink:
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I think it's gorgeous.
Yes it's very similar to a police model and that's ironic since they can sell for as little as half the asking on this Revival model.
Personally I don't want the spoke wheels and I think they used fixed instead of floating calipers. I also don't like the bag rails.
But those are nit picks.
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I too, think it's quite handsome as well! :thumb: :cool: :wink: It even has a CHAIN, not a belt! :rolleyes: :shocked:
Are you talking about the Revival?
Where do you see chain?
All I see is that it is a chain PRIMARY drive (between the engine and transmission).
I don't see any indication that it has a chain FINAL drive.
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People will line up to buy it i'm sure because it is a cool looking bike and is a Harley Davidson. Good for them. I dont particularly care for it but Im more into weird bikes so im not a good judge.
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I think it is a very cool motorcycle, and I would be proud to own it.
Although, personally I have a lot of other items higher on my wish list before I would purchase that bike.
Toy Hauler / Camper
Miata RF or 370Z Nismo
HD Livewire
Moto Guzzi V85TT Anniversary
Kawasaki KLX300SM
HD Pan America
I am going to try my neighbors Yamaha Tenere 700 so that might jump on the list. :laugh:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/719842891914259/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A52d86150-50d4-441d-81f2-d3524c12ecb5
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Aren't all Harleys by definition, retro? :evil:
You haven't looked lately, or have a broad definition of retro.
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Whether one likes the brand on not, there is a reason HD has 30% of the market in the US making it the number ONE selling motorcycle in the US and the reason is rather simple, they listen to their buyers and supporters. I’ve said for some time now that I wish they would bring back the ole suicide shifted bikes of old. Well the just about made it that far back:)
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Why in the world are these things still so damn heavy?
And I ain't buying that it's for strength nor the perception of strength, not anymore (except for the "old schoolers" turning a blind eye to manufacturing material advancements). Harley has the tech and needs to use it, but doesn't.
Why ??
The Goldwing drops 100lbs and finds a second life.
Who IS the target purchaser for this bike and how many more could be sold if was >100lbs lighter?
This thing is beautiful ..and a pig.
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Are you talking about the Revival?
Where do you see chain?
All I see is that it is a chain PRIMARY drive (between the engine and transmission).
I don't see any indication that it has a chain FINAL drive.
My mistake Kev m...I believe you are correct...my error..... :rolleyes: :shocked:
Why would they put a chain on this bike when belts have been so successful? :wink:
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Whether one likes the brand on not, there is a reason HD has 30% of the market in the US making it the number ONE selling motorcycle in the US and the reason is rather simple, they listen to their buyers and supporters. I’ve said for some time now that I wish they would bring back the ole suicide shifted bikes of old. Well the just about made it that far back:)
When it comes to transportation North America is a very large market with a very narrow focus.
80% of buyers can't / won't get past this list much...
Work Commuter: Large 4 door pickup truck
Sports Car: Mustang
Motor Bike: HD
Regardless of other makes/models/designs that may be better suited/priced or value...
(im not bashing any of the above, just noting an observation)
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Weight doesn't matter when a bike almost never leaves the garage .
Dusty
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Weight doesn't matter when a bike almost never leaves the garage .
Dusty
Lol, yep and weight doesn’t matter until it gets off balance. Whether pushing,stopping or sitting still👍
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I like it, the Harley that is. Too bad they are so costly and heavy to move around. The old one's were not as heavy although they did not have as much power.
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I think it looks great :thumb:
I bet they sell every one they make :smiley:
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I think it looks great :thumb:
I bet they sell every one they make :smiley:
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https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/electra-glide-revival.html?source_cd=Email_0426_AprNLInsider&camp_id=16&CL_ID=12563067752&ext_tracking=992e9d7f359ef1675c94f4e2124b542ebd5dc300aa5e8b6bf2972ee491928a33
Modern version of the classic 1969 Electra Glide - only $29,199!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked:
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What a beautiful motorcycle. Good for H-D for following through with this. I suspect there are a lot more 'Revival' bikes coming from them as well. No reason not to do the same with the modern and updated Panhead, Knucklehead and Shovelhead top end engine configurations. H-D are masters at modernizing the internals while maintaining their classic designs on the exterior.
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Only 30K? That’s a bargain. Elvis’s 1976 Electraglide sold for 800k at auction :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/kJrRPzC/6-C831-F56-1-C7-C-4-D18-9-FC5-D287-D4-EDCEF2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJrRPzC)
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I have not seen it yet but I want to. It looks really nice and I am happy to hear that HD is going to continue with their new Icon revival series of classics with a release of 1-2 models each year. This Electraglide revival is special for sure. At 68, too heavy for me now but I look forward to seeing it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/motorcycles/harley-launches-2021-electra-glide-revival-and-icons-collection/ar-BB1g97YQ
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Very nice looking motorcycle! Very cool color and the design looks to be very functional. Expensive but it is in the range of other MC's on the market today. Priced BMW's lately? You got to pay to play boys and girls...
Tony
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Electra Glide in Blue.. :smiley:
Never has been my thing and still isn't.. but..
I *do* like retro stuff.. motorcycles, airplanes, wimmens.. :grin: :boozing:
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Why in the world are these things still so damn heavy?
And I ain't buying that it's for strength nor the perception of strength, not anymore (except for the "old schoolers" turning a blind eye to manufacturing material advancements). Harley has the tech and needs to use it, but doesn't.
Why ??
The Goldwing drops 100lbs and finds a second life.
Who IS the target purchaser for this bike and how many more could be sold if was >100lbs lighter?
This thing is beautiful ..and a pig.
A Google search tells me that a 2018 Honda Goldwing Tour ranges between 833 and 842 lbs depending on model. The 2017 is 911 and 919 lbs.
Part of the weight reduction is less fuel. The rest is because the new Goldwing is just that, an entirely new motorcycle from the ground up. Frame, engine, suspension, plastics, all new. It is also
I also think Honda was going for a replacement to both the ST1300 and the 1800 Goldwing with this bike.
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Why in the world are these things still so damn heavy?
And I ain't buying that it's for strength nor the perception of strength, not anymore (except for the "old schoolers" turning a blind eye to manufacturing material advancements). Harley has the tech and needs to use it, but doesn't.
Why ??
The Goldwing drops 100lbs and finds a second life.
Who IS the target purchaser for this bike and how many more could be sold if was >100lbs lighter?
This thing is beautiful ..and a pig.
Fwiw this chassis represents a solid 30-40% of Harley annual sales, meaning 60-80k (and until recently 100k+) units per year.
Yeah the wing has managed to lose some pounds, but please it's still ~800#, in what world does it really matter that it's "lighter" then this at that point?!?
Low center of gravity makes this easy to ride, changing to an aluminum frame or whatnot likely wouldn't return an ROI.
I wouldn't mind then being a little more svelte, but the vast majority who ride this category don't care.
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Nice video of the Revival FLH. No words, just walk around video.
https://youtu.be/sC8TkffqKSo
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We'll have to wait and see if 800~900+ lbs bikes are still part of a sales equation when some manufacturer wakes up and figures out they don't NEED to be. More importantly, when the riding public gets a taste of it.
When did it become acceptable to NOT be able to pick up a dropped bike?
Or overly nervous when pulling the bike out of the garage?
Justify the weight anyway you like, but a reckoning is coming.
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So Kevm , it sounds like you believe the marketing nonsense from the 1950's , the concept of "road hugging weight" :evil:
I here about "low center of gravity" or about how weight disappears when the bike gets rolling . Well , my 67 year old self can't tell where the weight is located when trying to push 900 LBs of motorbike around the garage . As for the weight disappearing , yeah , going in a straight line is fine on a 900 LB motorbike , or even in gentle curves , but I have witnesses who can testify that on a very twisty road riding a 400 LB worn out /5 I had no trouble hanging with 30 year newer bikes with good riders on board , why , because 400 LBS .
Dusty
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I ride a 2010 GoldWing, a 2013 Stelvio and an old CB 750 Chopper. I am 64 years young. I have picked up the goldwing (Using the walking backwards, three contact point method) and the Stelvio. The chopper Ive never put on its side.......yet!
Anyways, i feel the weight of the Wing and Stelvio, of course! Next bike will be lighter. If I rode fast in the twisties I would definitely get a lighter bike ASAP, but I dont, so I wont. Im old and slow......but Im still alive!!! Good day to all!
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Actually I like the new glide , or like to look at it anyway . It is evocative of the HD's from youth , styling wise much more similar to a 1960 panhead than the chopperesque models . However , I do wonder if the extreme weight of some modern bikes is why they tend to remain in the garage . Was in a garage on Monday evening that housed a 2018 Electraglide of some sort . It was really quite lovely in its two tone shiny paint , not a bug splatter one .
When asked how many miles it had been ridden the answer was 1,500 miles , so about 500 miles per year . Probably not because it doesn't work fairly well on the open road , but because riding it from where it is stored to the highway required negotiating some really rough roads full of potholes with some loose gravel spread about for good measure .
Dusty
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The 3 dropped bikes (1 Indian, 2 Hogs) I've witnessed ended in tears.
Slow turn in gravel, bike and two passengers in their 60's go down.
Tweaked knee. (Unable to perform like your young ladies in the vids).
The gravel aggravates situation with little traction but 3 of us right the bike for them. Totally screwed if nowone had been around..Their trip is over.
My Indian riding friend has behemoth tip over trapping and injuring left foot. A bystander and myself right the bike. Ride over.
Most healthy guys in their 60's with good knees and back (show of hands, certainly not going to be me) might perform your video maneuver once.
..Get it wrong, and they've got bigger problems to worry about.
The Japanese sportbike reckoning came with the mid 80's Gixxer's weight undercutting other 4cyl competitors.
The reckoning IS coming for 800~900lbs bikes bruisers.
If Harley doesn't see this I wouldn't bet against Polaris driving weights down if it means a sales advantage.
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I like the new HD.
On the dropped bike thing. My EVT with a few things packed in the cases, nothing really heavy. Dropped it in a gas station, I hate the short lock to lock compared to my Loops and BMW. It was laying perfectly on the side bag and the engine guard, no tire on the ground. I was able to get it to the tires, but no further. A person came over and helped me, he said that was damn heavy.
Tipped over my Eldo in the grass. Not easy, but I did pick it up. The EVT IMHO has a high CG, where the Eldo has a lower CG??
My HD due to it's low CG feels like it should be no problem to pick up. I hope to never find out. Knocking on a large piece of wood :undecided:
Kev, there are jacks sold just for lifting bikes. Not very large when taken apart.
Tom
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So the weak 60 year olds can ride something else.
Back in the 90's I saw an elderly woman who rode her own Goldwing.
She kept a scissor jack in one saddlebag to help her pick it up solo. Used it under a crash bar to lift it part way up till she could straddle it and pull it up the rest of the way.
It's about knowing your limits, and desire.
Can't argue against that logic..
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Shakespeare said it best, and not the bit about the lawyers.
Bla bla bla
Whatever
You notice I own 3 bikes that weigh about 400-450# wet.
I know the difference.
That doesn't stop me from loving my very capable and comfortable 800# wet RK which can do just fine in the twisties (read that as far past legal speeds and fun, not really all that much slower than I would choose to ride the same road on the Ducati even it comes right down to it).
I know there are tradeoffs with weight and that I don't need 800# for it to be stable, though it is FAR MORE stable than any thing else in the *stable" in crosswinds and buffeting, but that's another conversation.
But most importantly, I'm not so old and feeble that I have problems pushing it around the garage. Yeah I don't want to push it uphill, but that gets old really quick on the Monster too.
I guess I'm saying it's not a non-issue but it's quite a small one. If it's the "hill" you want to die on fine, but some of you sound like fragile little drama queens about it
I mean I just saw my 4' 10" female friend who tours on her 600# Sporty.
It's much ado about nothing.
Exactly. Well said Kev m.
Some of those around here wouldn't believe it even if they saw the 82 year old 115 pound (tops) woman who rides a Victory Vision Tour. She tends to ride way better than most others regardless of what they're riding. She even brings it to rest on its anti tip over bars and picks it up from that position when people get curious in a parking lot.
It's much more about the ability of the rider than the weight of the bike for anyone running on public roads. Just like a professional or a semi pro golfer can do much better with a $50 set of garage sale clubs than the average golfer using their $2000 set of clubs.
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With the correct procedure a small female can put a HD electric glide back on its wheels from a totally downed position, Utube it.
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I'd think they ought to be able to shed 200 pounds off that thing to get it down to the weight of the originals.
-AJ
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Re: the retro HD I have no words that capture the ugly, they wonder why they are having no impact on the younger market and I'm not exactly part of the younger market anymore I'm probably smack bang in their target audience, it's hideous Elvis was a shill for anything he was given.
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So Kevm , it sounds like you believe the marketing nonsense from the 1950's , the concept of "road hugging weight" :evil:
I here about "low center of gravity" or about how weight disappears when the bike gets rolling . Well , my 67 year old self can't tell where the weight is located when trying to push 900 LBs of motorbike around the garage . As for the weight disappearing , yeah , going in a straight line is fine on a 900 LB motorbike , or even in gentle curves , but I have witnesses who can testify that on a very twisty road riding a 400 LB worn out /5 I had no trouble hanging with 30 year newer bikes with good riders on board , why , because 400 LBS .
Dusty
When my 900 lb electric glide needed moving in the basement I cranked it up and simple let the clutch out, did I miss something here?🤔😂😉👍
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A retro Harley? That's redundant.
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When my 900 lb electric glide needed moving in the basement I cranked it up and simple let the clutch out, did I miss something here?🤔😂😉👍
Did you have the extremely rare glide with reverse ?
Dusty
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With the correct procedure a small female can put a HD electric glide back on its wheels from a totally downed position, Utube it.
Not if she is standing in a ditch or on any kind of a slope . That level concrete stuff is for show , those conditions rarely present them selves in the real world .
Dusty
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Did you have the extremely rare glide with reverse ?
Dusty
Nope the basement is by design on a grade toward the door so water can run out, so easy leg push out and drive in. Oh yea and all movements in straight lines👍
Just funning mostly buddy😂
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Nope the basement is by design on a grade toward the door so water can run out, so easy leg push out and drive in. Oh yea and all movements in straight lines👍
Just funning mostly buddy😂
Me too , although there was a letter written to Cycle World probably 15 years ago asking their tech guy it it was possible to reverse the brake control points , make the lever work the rear brake and the peddle work the front brakes . Seems he had dropped his 870 LB Harley twice in his garage by locking up the front brake at low speed with the bars turned . It was really embarrassing that the guy lived about 20 miles South of here , damn dumb Okies :embarrassed:
Dusty
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Sorry, but the below is the bet lookin HD ever made... Period
(https://i.ibb.co/Wk2vDCW/CLASSIC-1978-HARLEY-DAVIDSON.jpg)
One of these just sold at Me I’m Las Vegas for $16,500.00
On the other side of the scale a batch of Sporsters from the 70’s averaged $2,500.00, check out the Mecum sold prices from Wednesday and today.
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Me too , although there was a letter written to Cycle World probably 15 years ago asking their tech guy it it was possible to reverse the brake control points , make the lever work the rear brake and the peddle work the front brakes . Seems he had dropped his 870 LB Harley twice in his garage by locking up the front brake at low speed with the bars turned . It was really embarrassing that the guy lived about 20 miles South of here , damn dumb Okies :embarrassed:
Dusty
When I first got the EG Lisa and I pulled up to the gas pump and when I hit the front brake to come to a complete stop, Lisa decided to shift her butt a little and three the weight balance off. With the rider on the HD sitting way above the balance line, we simply had to allow the hogs fat arse to just lie down. We were laughing to hard to worry about picking it up and our friends were just to busy taking photos to assist. The memory is priceless and yes even mishaps can be good memories 👍
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And this (from another new thread) is my idea of a good-looking Harley:
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I never understood people talking about rolling bikes around in their garages. I never roll a bike around in my garage. I ride it in, then walk it back while sitting in the seat doing a 3 point turn so it is facing out and ready to go for the next ride.
I would never try and roll a bike around in the garage. I'll see this at dealerships and it never made sense to me. Ride it under power forward, and push it back with your legs while your butt is firmly planted in the seat.
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I never understood people talking about rolling bikes around in their garages. I never roll a bike around in my garage. I ride it in, then walk it back while sitting in the seat doing a 3 point turn so it is facing out and ready to go for the next ride.
I would never try and roll a bike around in the garage. I'll see this at dealerships and it never made sense to me. Ride it under power forward, and push it back with your legs while your butt is firmly planted in the seat.
Thank you TWA, enough said about that issue 👍
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Probably because starting 40 motorbikes in an enclosed structure and letting them run for even 30 seconds is going to produce some serious levels of carbon monoxide . Plus , starting an IC engine and letting it run for really short period of times isn't good for the engine .
I make it a habit to never run an engine in the garage unless the doors are open and the exhaust is blowing out .
Dusty
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Probably because starting 40 motorbikes in an enclosed structure and letting them run for even 30 seconds is going to produce some serious levels of carbon monoxide . Plus , starting an IC engine and letting it run for really short period of times isn't good for the engine .
I make it a habit to never run an engine in the garage unless the doors are open and the exhaust is blowing out .
Dusty
Maybe you should drop down to a number of bikes you actually ride. :bike-037:
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Maybe you should drop down to a number of bikes you actually ride. :bike-037:
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say , I'm not a dealership which is what that post was addressing . Pretty much a one bike at a time guy , although there are currently two in the little shop .
Dusty
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Not exactly sure what you are trying to say , I'm not a dealership which is what that post was addressing . Pretty much a one bike at a time guy , although there are currently two in the little shop .
Dusty
Sorry. Thought you were talking about your garage since you were talking about rolling bikes around. I understand dealerships with non-prepped bikes not running them, just don’t understand the way they move them around since legs are so much stronger than arms.
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Sheeesh :rolleyes:
My POINT was to EXPRESS that this 800~900 lbs bike can be a more manageable/enjoyable/safer/efficient/powerful motorcycle IF Harley decided to throw their considerable R&D behind it and bring it's weight down. This thing doesn't HAVE to weight >800lbs !
THAT ain't happening because that Koolaid's some powerful sh!t.
Drink up boys and girls :thumb:
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Nice Bike.
Have some of you guys spent any time in your local Harley dealer because there are a lot of young people interested in and riding Harley’s and I don’t think many are concerned about the weight of the bikes.
And I don’t think many are concerned about having to tear apart their new bikes to grease bearings or add extra fuses so their bikes don’t strand them in the middle of nowhere.
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I’ve never weighed over 170 lbs in my life and until recently have never owned a bike much less than 800 pounds. Yes as we get near the 70 year old mark a lighter bike may be very well in our futures. I’ve always said that a bikes weight is of little issue unless it gets off balance to the point of no return and that’s totally rider error, the majority of the time. I’ve probably let a bike lie down maybe 4-5 times in my riding career and that includes my motor officer days of intense slow speed yearly training and when it did happen there was lots of laughter and assistance in putting her back on two wheels.
At 68 years old and right now in my life I wouldn’t think twice about climbing on that Hog snd riding the H out of it and who knows maybe I will, that is if I’d be willing to shell out 30k at this point.
Let’s keep our opinions on the subject light hearted 👍
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Jeezuz Francis, every opinion is not an attack on you.
Clearly in my signature line I OWN A HARLEY STREETGLIDE.
I have realized in the time and miles I've owned it that the damn thing would be so much more pleasant to me, day to day, if it was significantly lighter. The older I get, the more it is apparent TO ME that I could continue
to enjoy all the qualities of my Harley for many years to come if it weighed less. A lot less. This is possible NOW. I believe there to be lost sales potential in this older age group. I could give a rat about past HD sales, they were on their knees in the past, too. Competition has provoked HD back to a leadership roll. I wish for them to continue to lead in all areas.
Settle down my friend. Let's both enjoy what is special about our Guzzis AND Hogs and hope for their future financial health.
Peace Out.
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I personally don’t find weight of a motorcycle to be a big factor for touring, I am more interested in the carrying capacity, comfort and handling for two up travel. I ride an 800 lb BMW for that task. In the city the big Beemer isn’t fun whereas a nice 400 lb bike is much more enjoyable. My buddy who has owned Goldwings since 76 has recently bought a Road King and an Ultra Classic, both of them around 8 - 10 years old. He likes both of them for back road two plan leisurely jaunts two up. I have ridden both his HD’s, I prefer the Ultra but both are OK up to 65 mph, then the comfort starts to drop off IMHO. The 2018 Wing and the K1600 are much more planted and comfortable at 75 - 85 mph
millions of folks love their Harleys and good for them, HD must be doing something right, they just aren’t for me.
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Here's the deal , we critique and criticize every manufacturer on WG , hell , every day we criticize the brand this board is built around , but for whatever reason , even some slight criticism of the MoCo seems to bring out emotional responses from some members . Even in a thread that is mostly positive any mention of HD that isn't some glowing report seems to get people riled up .
Now we can certainly agree that if we can criticize Moto Guzzi on a Moto Guzzi board , then we can also criticize other brands , right ?
Dusty
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The new one certainly looks better than the original. The old bike just had dull unfinished white fiberglass bolted to a painted bike (blue, red?). So the new one looks much sharper with nice paint and well upholstered.
Still, any used bat wing Harley off Craig's could be given the same paint and seat job and it would be pretty close to a $30k bike for a quarter of the money <snap suspenders> ?
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The "Revival" looks so good to me that when I had a few extra minutes yesterday, I stopped in the local HD dealership to try and see one. Like most dealers of all brands, they had only a few bikes, none of which were that model.
In the past, I have managed to be invisible in a Harley store. My thinking was in these changed times and with HD sales down (pre -) that things might have changed, well-------------
As before, I felt like Harry Potter wearing his invisibility cloak in there. Wandered through completely unmolested. Although I don't look like a Harley Guy, I have owned 2 of them, both bought new. But, both bought from dealers that were a little out of town of the major cities I lived in when I bought those two bikes. Seems those dealers thought I looked like Harley material.
Rant over.
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Lot of talk about issues with Harleys and the weight of their touring bikes. I have to agree, they've gotten far to heavy for me. I sold my 2012 Road Glide for that very reason. While solo on it wasn't too bad, when the wife tried to climb on and off...well, it was only a matter of time. So I let it go. Miss it though. I still say if I'm going to ride across the country, I'd rather do it on a Harley than any other bike I can think of. I think they are missing the boat on a lot more sales by not putting the R&D into knocking 100 lbs off their big touring rigs. I know they can do it...as I recall, they shed 75 to 90 lbs off the redesigned softale bikes when they came out a few years ago. They could call it the "Ultra Lite," or the "Easy Glide." Harley also could gain a few sales if they developed a viable reverse gear. I still remember getting the Road Glide stuck in a gravel parking lot in Taos, NM a few years back. The bike sat in the lot overnight and settled into the thick gravel. No way could I get enough footing to roll it backwards. What a pain. Had to find a friendly car driver to help push me back. I wouldn't need to use a reverse gear very often, but, on an 800+ lbs. motorcycle, it sure would come in handy once in a while.
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I saw the original back in the sixties. Wasn't impressed then either.
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I saw the original back in the sixties. Wasn't impressed then either.
C'mon now!! :wink: 1969 HD Electra Glide - An American Classic!! :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :smiley: :smiley:
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Always loved the ElectraGlide and DuoGlide as a kid. I'm a big fan of this bike looks wise. For my 30K it would need a kick start, too.
I'll be shocked if this is not an addition to the lineup as a regular option in a year or two. My understanding is that they are unobtanium.
Looks are part of the appeal in motorcycling for a LOT of riders. There is zero issue with that. The day folks tell other folks what to do with their money is a very sad day indeed.
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Like most dealers of all brands, they had only a few bikes, none of which were that model.
In the past, I have managed to be invisible in a Harley store. My thinking was in these changed times and with HD sales down (pre -) that things might have changed, well-------------
As before, I felt like Harry Potter wearing his invisibility cloak in there. Wandered through completely unmolested. Although I don't look like a Harley Guy, I have owned 2 of them, both bought new. But, both bought from dealers that were a little out of town of the major cities I lived in when I bought those two bikes. Seems those dealers thought I looked like Harley material.
Rant over.
Harley sales are up considerably during -. Some of this is the deliberate reduced inventory plans of the new CEO. But stock is thin and the one HD sales guy I know said it's the best he's seen in years. Go figure. I do know that used Harley prices are through the roof. Just before the - shutdown started, the sweet spot on pricing for a used Harley Touring bike with low miles was if the price equaled the year. ie: 2018 Electra Glide for $18,000, 2020 for $20,000 etc. That's all gone. Now prices on used Full Dressers have jumped way above that by three or four thousand dollars!
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The "Revival" looks so good to me that when I had a few extra minutes yesterday, I stopped in the local HD dealership to try and see one. Like most dealers of all brands, they had only a few bikes, none of which were that model.
In the past, I have managed to be invisible in a Harley store. My thinking was in these changed times and with HD sales down (pre -) that things might have changed, well-------------
As before, I felt like Harry Potter wearing his invisibility cloak in there. Wandered through completely unmolested. Although I don't look like a Harley Guy, I have owned 2 of them, both bought new. But, both bought from dealers that were a little out of town of the major cities I lived in when I bought those two bikes. Seems those dealers thought I looked like Harley material.
Rant over.
So, did you sit on any bikes?
Did you walk past members of the staff and avert your eyes as you did so?
Did you say hi to anyone? Did you stare down a salesperson, even a little bit?
Maybe they were just giving you space to decide what you wanted to do, and if you were ready for help or had questions you would engage in them.
I personally don't like to be hounded or hovered over when I am not ready to engage. When I am ready to engage, everyone knows it. If I am feeling ignored I turn on the power and toot the horn and turn signals like I am just checking the bike over. Someone usually comes at that point.
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I sat on a "Revival" today. Very similar seat height to my CalVin. So kinda high for a Harley.
If I was in that market I'd buy a Road King, or Street Glide, and save some cash.
I'm a sucker for blue bikes.
Maybe, I could "save" even more cash and buy that new V7 850 instead? ;-)
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So, did you sit on any bikes?
Did you walk past members of the staff and avert your eyes as you did so?
Did you say hi to anyone? Did you stare down a salesperson, even a little bit?
Maybe they were just giving you space to decide what you wanted to do, and if you were ready for help or had questions you would engage in them.
I personally don't like to be hounded or hovered over when I am not ready to engage. When I am ready to engage, everyone knows it. If I am feeling ignored I turn on the power and toot the horn and turn signals like I am just checking the bike over. Someone usually comes at that point.
Exactly TWA, good observation 😉
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Gotta agree. If I need assistance I'll ask. Until then, I'm happy if "they" leave me alone. "Hi, how are you", that's fine. But just that.
Getting closer to the red suspenders every day................ ................
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I've never found a 400 pound bike that I fit on. Heck, I have to mod my Guzzi's to fit me. 6'7" doesn't fit well on the newer Guzzi's.
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I've never found a 400 pound bike that I fit on. Heck, I have to mod my Guzzi's to fit me. 6'7" doesn't fit well on the newer Guzzi's.
I would have no problem having this motorcycle in my garage... :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
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If you want me to even consider purchasing an overpriced overweight motorbike you had better damned sure smile and say HI when i come thru the door . Don't know about you , but the arrogance displayed by most HD boutiques means I would never even consider buying a bike from them .
But that's just me , kinda old fashioned that way .
Dusty
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If you want me to even consider purchasing an overpriced overweight motorbike you had better damned sure smile and say HI when i come thru the door . Don't know about you , but the arrogance displayed by most HD boutiques means I would never even consider buying a bike from them .
But that's just me , kinda old fashioned that way .
Dusty
When I lived in NORCAL (2006-2011), this was the last Harley I owned and rode - - a 2007 Road King...(and I have owned and ridden 4 Big Twin Harley's)...Say what you will, but the Road King was a good, reliable, FUN touring bike...
By the way, I was never into the arrogance or silliness displayed by any HD dealer / boutique. For me, it was just always about the motorcycle itself... :wink:
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remember when you could go two up on this seat?
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I bet
...............and everyone likes the chrome battery cover.
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That's why they called it the "buddy" seat! With the right "buddy" it could be a lot of fun. :grin: Otherwise :shocked:
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remember when you could go two up on this seat?
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I bet
...............and everyone likes the chrome battery cover.
At age 12, in Ridgefield, CT, my uncle's friend gave me a ride on the back of his late 60's Electra Glide just like this one....and that got the two-wheel / motorcycle juices flowing for me!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :smiley: :wink:
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There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many motorcycles I'd love to own for a bit. I see zero reason to exclude any due to brand, country of manufacture, apparent value, and ability to score MOTOGP points, or not.
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There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many motorcycles I'd love to own for a bit. I see zero reason to exclude any due to brand, country of manufacture, apparent value, and ability to score MOTOGP points, or not.
AMEN to that statement!! :bow: :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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I saw my first at The Guzzi Doctor's open house in North Chicago last night. Very striking bike. The owner was in love.
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I agree Dave it a beautiful motorcycle however like some of the other bikes they priced themselves out of the zone that I’m willing to pay for a motorcycle and it’s not because I can’t afford one.
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Needs an AMF sticker.
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If you want me to even consider purchasing an overpriced overweight motorbike you had better damned sure smile and say HI when i come thru the door . Don't know about you , but the arrogance displayed by most HD boutiques means I would never even consider buying a bike from them .
But that's just me , kinda old fashioned that way .
Dusty
Pray tell ol Dusty, when was the last time you were in a Harley dealership? And did you walk in with a smile on your mug? Just wondering.
Sounds like another Triumph, BSA, "Back in the day" comment to me.
Please don't walk into a modern Multi Japanese / Indian / BMW store. You'll get the smile from some kid that has never ridden a motorcycle in his/her life. They just want to collect your contact information.
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Pray tell ol Dusty, when was the last time you were in a Harley dealership? And did you walk in with a smile on your mug? Just wondering.
Sounds like another Triumph, BSA, "Back in the day" comment to me.
Please don't walk into a modern Multi Japanese / Indian / BMW store. You'll get the smile from some kid that has never ridden a motorcycle in his/her life. They just want to collect your contact information.
Was in an enormous HD dealership a couple of years ago where my nephew had been selling HD's for years . So yeah , I smiled , even wagged my tail. It was weird , I know more about Harleys than any of the salesmen , even more than my nephew who was selling over 300 units a year . In fact , the guy behind the information desk stated that one of the antiques on display was a Shovelhead , when it was really an early panhead .
Interestingly enough , I stopped in a two-fer dealership in Tulsa on the way to Cedar Vale , some lowlife snatched my helmet at a gas stop so a new one was needed . It was Yamaha/something in one building , and , are you ready , the other building contains an Indian/BMW dealer . The young men in both dealerships were very helpful , never asked for any information , and even knew what my Bassa is , something no one at the HD place knew . Shocking , isn't it ?
Dusty
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Was in an enormous HD dealership a couple of years ago where my nephew had been selling HD's for years . So yeah , I smiled , even wagged my tail. It was weird , I know more about Harleys than any of the salesmen , even more than my nephew who was selling over 300 units a year . In fact , the guy behind the information desk stated that one of the antiques on display was a Shovelhead , when it was really an early panhead .
Interestingly enough , I stopped in a two-fer dealership in Tulsa on the way to Cedar Vale , some lowlife snatched my helmet at a gas stop so a new one was needed . It was Yamaha/something in one building , and , are you ready , the other building contains an Indian/BMW dealer . The young men in both dealerships were very helpful , never asked for any information , and even knew what my Bassa is , something no one at the HD place knew . Shocking , isn't it ?
Dusty
So, basically we all have our own experiences and my experience at your shops might be different, as your experience at the ones near me.
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So, basically we all have our own experiences and my experience at your shops might be different, as your experience at the ones near me.
Never said they weren't . However , I have lived and breathed motorbikes for 55 years now , ridden with 1%er's , sportbike riders , Goldwing folks , hardcore BMW riders , a few riders so committed to Ducati they acted as though no other brand existed , same with beemer guys , ridden with Native American clubs when they were a thing , was an honorary member of the British Death Fleet in the Bay Area , hung out in the old line HD and Brit bike shops before they went all boutique . In other words , my database is fairly large . and the worst attitudes I've ever encountered were in the new HD boutiques . Hell , a buddy was traveling with me in Nebraska when we encountered a 1%er type who said the same thing . Even my nephew who sold HD's for 10 years , very successfully at that said pretty much the same thing , the salesmen didn't know squat about motorbikes , most were really car salesmen trying something different .
Dusty
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I like your term "boutique", those one percenters would probably object however.
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I like your term "boutique", those one percenters would probably object however.
Most new dealers are chrome and glass places , styled like a Denny's restaurant and not a motorbike dealership .
I really should qualify some of my previous statement , there are asshats in dealerships of all brands , and good knowledgeable people also . However, the idea that HD dealers are somehow "special" , filled with well informed enthusiasts while every other brand's dealers are manned with ignorant salespeople is simply not true . Heck , the two best parts persons I have ever encountered were ladies , one in the old Atlas Motorcycle Sales in Tulsa , a multiline BMW/Guzzi/Ducati/Triumph/MZ shop , and the other at Bentonville AR BMW . Sadly both shops are gone . Atlas had parts for motorbikes 30 and more years older in stock , something most modern dealers would find strange .
Dusty
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I really should qualify some of my previous statement , there are asshats in dealerships of all brands , and good knowledgeable people also . However, the idea that HD dealers are somehow "special" , filled with well informed enthusiasts while every other brand's dealers are manned with ignorant salespeople is simply not true .
I'm sorry, but who is/was putting forth that idea?!?
Like you said, there are morons in all levels and brands of dealers.
If anything I think GENERALLY (and it's a huge generalization but likely has some truth) the more successful the dealership (the larger it is in size and sales volume) the higher the likelihood that they will have one or more asshats just because of size/volume/turnover/need etc. It's a business PERIOD. The smaller the dealer/shop, the more likely it will have enthusiasts simply because of that difference in size/volume. There's a reason it exists that is slightly different to the mega-mall dealer.
And if you look at the unprecedented growth of Harley through the 90's and half the 00's, you can see why there was a trend toward the former (and probably still a lot of holdouts). Sadly that drove many of the latter out of business or forced them to grow in ways that wouldn't be all positive.
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In 2016 we stopped at the Ft Collins Guzzi dealer for service on our way to MoCan.The service people were very friendly and competent.I went into the sales dept.and looked at the new bikes for a while.It was me and 2 executives and I guess they had more important matters to discuss than try to sell me something.
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In 2016 we stopped at the Ft Collins Guzzi dealer for service on our way to MoCan.The service people were very friendly and competent.I went into the sales dept.and looked at the new bikes for a while.It was me and 2 executives and I guess they had more important matters to discuss than try to sell me something.
A Guzzi dealer with sales people ? Are you sure Tom ? :laugh:
Dusty
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They seemed like managers or bosses of some sort,I guess The weren’t salesmen and the salesman was off that day or something so they didn’t want to do his job.
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Most new dealers are chrome and glass places , styled like a Denny's restaurant and not a motorbike dealership .
I really should qualify some of my previous statement , there are asshats in dealerships of all brands , and good knowledgeable people also . However, the idea that HD dealers are somehow "special" , filled with well informed enthusiasts while every other brand's dealers are manned with ignorant salespeople is simply not true . Heck , the two best parts persons I have ever encountered were ladies , one in the old Atlas Motorcycle Sales in Tulsa , a multiline BMW/Guzzi/Ducati/Triumph/MZ shop , and the other at Bentonville AR BMW . Sadly both shops are gone . Atlas had parts for motorbikes 30 and more years older in stock , something most modern dealers would find strange .
Dusty
Where are these so called chrome and glass dealerships? I haven't seen any on my travels. Are they mostly in the larger cities that I avoid like the plague?
The dealers I have stopped in at use a lot of rock and wood, or look like someone's amazing man cave garage.
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Sure don't look like chrome and glass to me, but then again I don't have preconceived notions based on 55 years of riding. :boozing:
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I give up .
Dusty
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What are dealers supposed to do-even if they have competent sales people?
If they approach "lookers", they are pushy. If not, it's "they ignored me". I've been on both sides of the coin. I'd let "lookers" know I was available if they needed me. If not, have fun looking. When at a shop,
I'd prefer some dimwit who knows less than nothing keep distance. That said, every Guzzi shop (just Guzzi or maybe two makes) had folks who know their stuff.
For fun, go to a new Alfa shop and tell the guys you have a 101 that needs service. See what happens............ .........
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That said, every Guzzi shop (just Guzzi or maybe two makes) had folks who know their stuff.
That's when the generalizations I make break down.
The fly-by-night nature of a lot of Guzzi shops (or attempted shops) over the last few years have often left me with the impression of less than knowledgeable staff (be it sales or tech). But it shouldn't be a huge surprise when they are new to the brand, or when they are gone a few years later. Exceptions to the general rule probably, but also victims of Guzzis expansion criteria at different times.
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I should have been more specific. was typing in a hurry. modify to say every shop for Guzzi I HAVE experienced has had very knowledgeable staff.
My sample size is admittedly small, though. How's that? Should be clear now.
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So this happened! My 69 FLH needed company. :grin:
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That sounds like a good turn of events. How do you like it?
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So this happened! My 69 FLH needed company. :grin:
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This is awesome!!!
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So this happened! My 69 FLH needed company. :grin:
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Congrats. I saw that Ride Like a Pro Jerry Palladino now has two of them. He bought one at the same time his wife bought one for him as a surprise. LOL!
I sat on one at the dealer and found the seating position interesting. They weren't allowing test rides.
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I'd LOVE to get one of those-but it's a full year of college tuition. Darn kids getting in the way again, mind.
Relax-it's a JOKE-just the second part
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Swanson, why don't you come to the Dekalb Guzzi breakfast?
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Dave, I have a request.
After you’ve ridden the Retro, an amount of miles, that you have formed an in-depth opinion and observation, could you give us a review? I’d really love to hear a first hand account and opinion?
Thanks
Dan
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https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/electra-glide-revival.html?source_cd=Email_0426_AprNLInsider&camp_id=16&CL_ID=12563067752&ext_tracking=992e9d7f359ef1675c94f4e2124b542ebd5dc300aa5e8b6bf2972ee491928a33
Modern version of the classic 1969 Electra Glide - only $29,199!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked:
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It is actually a modern version of the 62 Duo Glide which I believe is the first "74" dresser model that came looking like that. My 62 Duo Glide was stock baby blue with white bags and triple rails just like this one. Had a windshield but it looks nearly the same.
I sadly not longer have a picture of it. My ex-wife took the photo of that along with most everything else. :laugh:
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Looks comfortable. Nice seat. It's good to see Harley getting away from the Willy G low seat uncomfortable legs way out in front position. Some would describe it in another manner but this is a family site.
It looks like a police model with a nice seat and retro style bags. Still, it looks good. The add hinted at more models to follow.
You mean the willie G gynochological couch riding position? ;-)
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Swanson, why don't you come to the Dekalb Guzzi breakfast?
I made the March and May. Slipped my mind this month. :embarrassed:
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Dave, I have a request.
After you’ve ridden the Retro, an amount of miles, that you have formed an in-depth opinion and observation, could you give us a review? I’d really love to hear a first hand account and opinion?
Thanks
Dan
It's quite the normal HD touring frame experience. The only thing slightly different is the police seat with shock absorber. HD dressed up the stock police seat a bit for this Revival.
Since I have quite a few miles on Road Kings, and an Ultra Classic I can say it has an identical feel. Bag loads of torque right off idle and handles well for a Milwaukee road sofa. :grin:
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I guess I need to ask more questions at breakfast. I'm usually there, I'm the really tall guy, if you see me, don't hesitate to introduce yourself so I can say hello.
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I guess I need to ask more questions at breakfast. I'm usually there, I'm the really tall guy, if you see me, don't hesitate to introduce yourself so I can say hello.
Will do. Long overdue meet up!
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As cool looking as this bike is (IMO) it is an oddball. No one who wants a HD touring frame bike for racking up big miles would intentionally choose this bike over the other common alternatives in the lineup. The Road Glide, and Ultra Classic are much better equipped for long distance touring than this Revival. Even the Road King priced at $10K less is more suitable as a touring mount than this is.
I would assume most Revival buyers will not be modifying them heavily with different seats, top boxes, lower fairing to turn it into a more capable touring bike. I think most of them will be left essentially stock and ridden occasionally.
If I didn't have my 69 FLH, which I adore, I most likely wouldn't have purchased it.
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As cool looking as this bike is (IMO) it is an oddball. No one who wants a HD touring frame bike for racking up big miles would intentionally choose this bike over the other common alternatives in the lineup. The Road Glide, and Ultra Classic are much better equipped for long distance touring than this Revival. Even the Road King priced at $10K less is more suitable as a touring mount than this is.
I would assume most Revival buyers will not be modifying them heavily with different seats, top boxes, lower fairing to turn it into a more capable touring bike. I think most of them will be left essentially stock and ridden occasionally.
If I didn't have my 69 FLH, which I adore, I most likely wouldn't have purchased it.
When I had my Road King, the first thing I did was remove the windscreen. I bought it because I liked the ride of the touring platform much better than all the other offerings in Harley's lineup. It was my backroads riding machine for all the 45 mph country roads in middle Tennessee. I could see the Revival fitting that niche quite nicely for those who like a batwing and pogo seat. I prefer to be low in the bike.
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When I had my Road King, the first thing I did was remove the windscreen. I bought it because I liked the ride of the touring platform much better than all the other offerings in Harley's lineup. It was my backroads riding machine for all the 45 mph country roads in middle Tennessee. I could see the Revival fitting that niche quite nicely for those who like a batwing and pogo seat. I prefer to be low in the bike.
(https://i.ibb.co/8P5ZpkR/412851568.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8P5ZpkR)
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Though I get the pleasure of an RK on a back road without a windshield, the police seat really changes the bike in a couple of unforeseen ways.
The civilian seats sit lower, the nacelle blocks more wind but even then the seats are scooped out more to cup/hold you in place. So even though your feet aren't directly below you there's no real need to brace. But with the police seat you're sitting ~3" higher, with your legs much less bent and on a flatter surface that doesn't hold you as much. Once speeds rise up to say the 60+ range it starts to become work because you've got nothing to brace against. So it can still be a pleasure on a back-road but if you mix in some highway or faster roads to the same ride you may wish you had the shield.
I was originally going to swap out the police seat right away, but just the ride home changed my mind. It's a wonderful perch for may reasons from comfort to leg position to center of gravity to the extra suspension. It's a different bike in a lot of ways because of it.
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Though I get the pleasure of an RK on a back road without a windshield, the police seat really changes the bike in a couple of unforeseen ways.
The civilian seats sit lower, the nacelle blocks more wind but even then the seats are scooped out more to cup/hold you in place. So even though your feet aren't directly below you there's no real need to brace. But with the police seat you're sitting ~3" higher, with your legs much less bent and on a flatter surface that doesn't hold you as much. Once speeds rise up to say the 60+ range it starts to become work because you've got nothing to brace against. So it can still be a pleasure on a back-road but if you mix in some highway or faster roads to the same ride you may wish you had the shield.
I was originally going to swap out the police seat right away, but just the ride home changed my mind. It's a wonderful perch for may reasons from comfort to leg position to center of gravity to the extra suspension. It's a different bike in a lot of ways because of it.
I could never get the buffeting under control with the shield installed. Riding without the shield on the interstate was a workout on the upper body which is not a bad thing if you are already in shape, but with the windshield installed it was brain rattling unless I wore a 1/2 helmet which I don't like to do on the interstate.
When I go from the seat in the photos above that is now on my Road Glide to my Corbin Dual Tour winter seat the Road Glide feels like an entirely different ride, so I get the appeal of the police seat.
(https://i.ibb.co/8BBtpzF/IMG-4656.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8BBtpzF)
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I could never get the buffeting under control with the shield installed. Riding without the shield on the interstate was a workout on the upper body which is not a bad thing if you are already in shape, but with the windshield installed it was brain rattling unless I wore a 1/2 helmet which I don't like to do on the interstate.
When I go from the seat in the photos above that is now on my Road Glide to my Corbin Dual Tour winter seat the Road Glide feels like an entirely different ride, so I get the appeal of the police seat.
(https://i.ibb.co/8BBtpzF/IMG-4656.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8BBtpzF)
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The stock police windshield is, iirc 22" tall and I could just see over it comfortably. For me there was almost no buffeting with it. But I switched to a wider, recurved at top, vented, shield from Clearview that is near perfect, even though slightly shorter. I then added fangs to the forks. Some add a little dished cover to the bottom of the lower triple tree too.
It's almost a complete dead pocket of air like that even without lowers. I suspect it would be completely still if I hadn't gotten a slightly shorter shield. But I like a little airflow in the summer anyway and it doesn't blur my vision even with a face shield. Most importantly I look completely over it and CAN see through it even at night. That last part is a big piece of my preference for a shield over a fairing.
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I too, think it's quite handsome as well! :thumb: :cool: :wink: It even has a CHAIN, not a belt! :rolleyes: :shocked:
It's belt drive,the primary is chain as always.
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You have to take half the bike apart to change the belt. No thanks, one of the many reasons I dumped my Twin Cam.
kk
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I think they’re running out of old folks to buy these bikes...
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You have to take half the bike apart to change the belt. No thanks, one of the many reasons I dumped my Twin Cam.
kk
You do it when you are servicing the swingarm bearings. Most go 100,000 miles or more when not abused. Sorry you dumped your bike. I would probably sell too if I couldn't hold it up anymore. Not sure how the belt can be blamed for you dumping your bike though. Did it skip a tooth on you?
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"..I think they’re running out of old folks to buy these bikes..."
I don't think it is old folks who are buying. I lived in Florida until last August and since Florida is a helmet optional state it was easy to see the demographic.
Most of the folks riding big twins were in their 30's and 40's. There were also a lot of females riding big twins.
I was up in camping at Two Wheels of Suches a few weekends ago and almost every group of Harley riders were 30-40 somethings. Yes there were some older and some younger.
At Bike week in Daytona (Geriatric week now) most of the demo riders that I saw were in a wide range of ages and by that I mean 20's to what appeared to be 50's. I was one of the few older demo riders being over 60.
This is just my experience and observation.
So Harley doesn't have much to worry about. Hey how about that new adventure bike? Looking to capture a different market share. Smart.
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You do it when you are servicing the swingarm bearings. Most go 100,000 miles or more when not abused. Sorry you dumped your bike. I would probably sell too if I couldn't hold it up anymore. Not sure how the belt can be blamed for you dumping your bike though. Did it skip a tooth on you?
No, there were a lot of reasons. Couldn't stand all the unexplained noise, burnt inner thigh, terrible suspension, hard clutch lever pull, electronics acting wonky, do I need to go on? My MG is so much better. I was considering an M8 Low Rider, absolutely horrible handling, so bad it was scary. Build quality? Harleys look nice, good chrome and paint, but heat shields held on with hose clamps? Just one example. My Audace was thousands cheaper, no brainer. Much better motorcycle. Your experience maybe totally different but no more Harleys for me unless the MoCo makes a complete turnaround. MGs aren't perfect but much more enjoyable to ride and service.
kk
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No, there were a lot of reasons. Couldn't stand all the unexplained noise, burnt inner thigh, terrible suspension, hard clutch lever pull, electronics acting wonky, do I need to go on? My MG is so much better. I was considering an M8 Low Rider, absolutely horrible handling, so bad it was scary. Build quality? Harleys look nice, good chrome and paint, but heat shields held on with hose clamps? Just one example. My Audace was thousands cheaper, no brainer. Much better motorcycle. Your experience maybe totally different but no more Harleys for me unless the MoCo makes a complete turnaround. MGs aren't perfect but much more enjoyable to ride and service.
kk
I really don't get this post.
Now I've only had 6 new Harleys and 4 new Guzzis.
But:
I've never had a Harley that was as hot and uncomfortable as my Breva 1100.
I've never had a Harley with a single wonky electrical problem. But my Jackal had ghosts, my Breva 1100 had a shit ECU and pinged like crazy until reflashed, on a cold start my V7 Stone still stutters like a 18 year old virgin at his prom, and my V7 Dark has a maintenance light that can't be turned off without the dealer tool. In contrast I can pull codes from my Harley on the dash, and my efit Harleys have start and run flawlessly every time.
My Harley clutches aren't girlie-soft but shit even my wife has never complained about the lever pull.
The M8 Softails handle really nicely, though compared with things like an 1100 Cali or 1400 Cali they might run out of clearance a little sooner but jebuz man the damn thing is called a "Low Rider" wake up and smell the suspension. There are other models with more clearance.
Heat Shields held on with hose clamps? That's an actual complaint? You can feel a pea under a stack of mattresses too right? Hmm, I seem to remember reading about a heat shield (ok technically the lining) on a Guzzi CATCHING FRICKIN FIRE recently. But by all means complain about the clamps.
Your Audace was thousands cheaper THEN WHAT?!? I could argue this either way, on the one side cheap often means well, cheap (as in, not as good). Or I could say then you're doing it wrong because my RK was pretty inexpensive.
Look you almost got it right at the end. All that matters is what YOU ENJOY and I don't fault you for it.
But then you had to add the "and service" thing in and brother that's screwed up. I find it much more enjoyable not to have to adjust valves. But that's me.
You do you.
Look I love my Guzzis. I'm just not gonna be all fanboy about em. And no, I'm not a Harley fanboy either because they're not perfect, but damn they are easy bikes to live with.
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You gotta love when someone has a poor experience with one machine and extrapolates that to "They all suck!" LOL!
If I were to have stopped my experience with Moto Guzzi to only the 2010 Cafe Classic I owned, I would be saying. "Beautiful bike to put on a table and look at, but rides like an old bike with poor handling."
I love my V7III Carbon and have no plans of ever parting with it, until I do.