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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scout63 on May 22, 2021, 06:01:35 AM
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I was riding home from work yesterday on my Combat Commando. I had had kind of a crappy day and was a little grumpy. Moving along at about 20 on a quiet town street, I thought I was a legitimate member of the MC community with my hand-restored classic and genuine vintage Schott leather jacket. Coming the other way was a Harley with mid-high apes and a rider with a tiny helmet and Sons of Anarchy beard and threads. I gave him a nice wave. He looked at me and just kept riding. Should I care? No. Did I care? Yep. I pulled a u-turn about three cars behind him and followed him. I wanted to see his gold-plated Vincent and ask him about it. Luckily for me I got caught behind one of those infuriatingly small and always empty County transit buses and he lost me. I still like Harleys and pretty much all riders, but that guy can kiss my aging backside. Just sayin.
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BTDT
Had the same feeling
I’ve rediscovered what we did in 1976. And I use it with gusto, reaction or not from my fellow bikers.
Peace sign, baby, ✌️, peace sign.
Some people “get it”, and change their response. Great fun.
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sometimes i just do the helmet nod if i don't feel like a wave, is that ok?
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I think we should start blowing and catching kisses.
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It is usually the BMW riders around here. You know, the ones with the aerostich space suit with the bike looking like the are going "tho long way round" to the coffee shop. I guess they are too busy with their gadgets to notice another rider.
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As long as Convert riders use their free left hand to wave we are all fine.
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In my opinion, If not getting a return wave is reason for a public complaint you may need to just lay down and take a nap...
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In my opinion, If not getting a return wave is reason for a public complaint you may need to just lay down and take a nap...
It was a pretty trivial post. I’m sorry. I just wanted to contribute so badly... Also skipping lunch on Fridays is never smart.
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When someone waves at me I feel good even if I was grumpy before.Itry to wave at everyone even the Harley riders.Most of the time I get a return low hand gesture and sometimes I am surprised when they beat me to it even tho I wear a helmet and riding suit.The outlaw posers probably get some reinforcement when they receive a friendly greeting and don’t respond,but most of us are riding because it makes us happy and are not looking for another reason to get mad.
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I think it’s more the case that we are wondering at the mentality, than actually getting mad.
The aloof 1,000 yard stare is part of their brand identification. You know, the “lone wolf” thing.
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It was a pretty trivial post. I’m sorry. I just wanted to contribute so badly... Also skipping lunch on Fridays is never smart.
My sarcasm often exceeds being courteous ....I just had to say it, lol.....To be honest I almost never wave first unless it's a vintage Brit bike...like you were riding
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I'd say 8 out of ten riders wave. I do find the "I'm a tough dude, and tough dude's don't wave" mentality amusing.
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I wave at everyone , farmers on tractors , fisherpeople in boats , folks out walking their dogs , bicycle riders , the old guys who sit on a porch almost everyday in nice weather just around the corner , cops , joggers , little kids , scooter riders , Ducati riders , Harley riders , people in convertibles , even a guy on some crazy looking contraption just yesterday . Waving is an act of joy , done because riding a motorbike is fun .
Dusty
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You ever think the guy riding with Apes might've been scared he'd fall off if he took his hands off the bars?
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What Dusty said👍
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I try to wave at everyone on two or three wheels. Or cool/unusual vehicles. Tbh waving back is how I identify what I call “real bikers” vs weekend warrior posers. I don’t discriminate. Harley (or any other make) guy or gal waves back, you’re a cool respectful rider. The riders who don’t wave back get mentally chalked up as stuck up anal cavities. Regardless of what they’re riding.
Another thing. If a Motorcycle club is worthwhile, they school their prospects in proper etiquette. Prospect don’t show respect, they get informed verbally. They keep it up they get disciplined. Sometimes harshly. That is proper teaching. A club that teaches aggressive, non respectful riding towards independents is part of the problem and I’m not having anything to do with them.
Don’t worry, I also will have words with those riders who don’t wave, especially when I’m hangry!
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I normally wave at anyone. Granted sometimes you get cought by surprise and miss it.. The scooter riders really seem to be happy about it. I dont think they get a lot of respect from a lot of the motorcycle community, and always seem pleased to be included.
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Best advice ever heard about riding motorbikes , spoken to a group of us over 50 years ago by a grizzled old Harley rider .
"If you ain't happy on a motorsickle , time to park it" .
Dusty
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I just wanted to contribute so badly...
You did mate..
You did contribute badly... :laugh:
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Best advice ever heard about riding motorbikes , spoken to a group of us over 50 years ago by a grizzled old Harley rider .
"If you ain't happy on a motorsickle , time to park it" .
Dusty
:thumb:
great philosophy
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I wave at everyone , farmers on tractors , fisherpeople in boats , folks out walking their dogs , bicycle riders , the old guys who sit on a porch almost everyday in nice weather just around the corner , cops , joggers , little kids , scooter riders , Ducati riders , Harley riders , people in convertibles , even a guy on some crazy looking contraption just yesterday . Waving is an act of joy , done because riding a motorbike is fun .
Dusty
Worth repeating!
How do you guys feel about waving at trikes? And is there a cutoff line between a sidehack,Tri Glide, Can Am, and slingshot where they are no longer wave worthy? And what about training wheel bikes?
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My experience is that sport bike riders are pretty consistent with the two fingers to the ground, rubber on the road, wave, but they almost always wave. Harley and big dresser riders not so much, but not too bad. People get busy concentrating on other things or miss the opportunity, what ever, I’m guilty myself of missing a few waves. I also wave to bicyclists as I have a lot of respect for what some of those folks do. I wave to motorcycle officers, CHP, etc., but have yet to receive a wave back or even a nod. They seem even more aloof than the tough guy HD riders.
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Worth repeating!
How do you guys feel about waving at trikes? And is there a cutoff line between a sidehack,Tri Glide, Can Am, and slingshot where they are no longer wave worthy? And what about training wheel bikes?
I wave at everyone .
Dusty
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I posted this on ADVrider last year. There were some interesting responses. I didn’t know that people on ADVrider read Psychology Today. Maybe someone gave them gift subscriptions.
Here’s the post (titled, “Sportster scorners”):
I bought a Sportster last year. It’s a “Roadster” model with dual front discs, etc., but it’s still a Sportster.
I have been riding my Guzzis this year and haven’t spent much time on the ol Sporty. So I’ve taken it out the last couple days.
Sportsters have got to be the Rodney Dangerfield of bikes. Most riders won’t wave when they go by. BMW riders look the other way, as though they aren’t seeing this orange thing with two wheels and “Sportster” on the tank. The do-rag crowd just looks straight ahead, I suppose because I’m wearing a helmet. The Vespa crowd ignores me because they think that HD riders will eat their children, or something.
So I’ve parked it. Everyone waves to the ‘90 Guzzi LeMans.
So — how many Sportster scorners are on advrider? Or, how many will admit to being one?
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Here in Idaho I would have to say that 99% of riders wave. Harley or not it makes no difference. Maybe the Bobber Sport looks a bit like a Harley from the front. :grin:
One thing I did find odd was the arm out at a 45 degree angle pointing at the ground wave. Many years ago in Cali the wave was just lifting your hand above the bar palm forward.
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All the bikers around here are so wave happy, that I just stare at them and grin silly. Is that ok?
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You did mate..
You did contribute badly... :laugh:
I’m still laughing Huzo - thanks.
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I ride an Audace, big bike. It's not uncommon for Harley riders to start to wave and then pull back. I guess when they see the cylinders sticking out they then know I am not one of them.
When I had my Sportster local Harley riders that I knew didn't really acknowledge me. When I got my Twin Cam I was instantly part of the group. Now I am traitor, and loving it.
kk
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Okaaaayyyyy....
So what about the Harley riders on Wildguzzi ?
Are we to believe that when they are out on their Harley Fergusons that they will wave ? They must be the only ones in creation that don’t ride the wave of popular culture and not wave.
Years ago when my Guzzi buddy bought his Harley, he insisted that the sales contract contained a non waver waiver.
I told him he would become assimilated, but he steadfastly refused to waver... :rolleyes:
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I was out today on the Bassa, and I experimented. I normally wave at everyone. I should add, at first glance, people assume I'm on a harley because I kind of look the part, bushy beard, open face helmet,etc. I get the pulled back wave often from HD riders and the ignore from metric guys, not that I'm complaining. Today I gave every bike I passed a fully extended arm to the sky flashing the peace sign, great idea Chuck Peterson. I went by a group of 8-10 hogs, trikes and other assorted barges and got at least a couple of waves and a total ignore from a pair of metric cruisers. It was 80 today but there was a chance of showers so not too many bikes out. I'm going to continue the peace sign for the rest of the season, and maybe reverse it for the haters.
Maybe I should add it was so muggy I was, jacketless, in a bright white tee shirt that says "Kiss Me I'm Irish" , only clean thing I had.
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I was out today on the Bassa, and I experimented. I normally wave at everyone. I should add, at first glance, people assume I'm on a harley because I kind of look the part, bushy beard, open face helmet,etc. I get the pulled back wave often from HD riders and the ignore from metric guys, not that I'm complaining. Today I gave every bike I passed a fully extended arm to the sky flashing the peace sign, great idea Chuck Peterson. I went by a group of 8-10 hogs, trikes and other assorted barges and got at least a couple of waves and a total ignore from a pair of metric cruisers. It was 80 today but there was a chance of showers so not too many bikes out. I'm going to continue the peace sign for the rest of the season, and maybe reverse it for the haters.
Maybe I should add it was so muggy I was, jacketless, in a bright white tee shirt that says "Kiss Me I'm Irish" , only clean thing I had.
Coming from Finger Lakes, they probably expected something different..
Although, you do have FLH in your signature.
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I think it’s more the case that we are wondering at the mentality, than actually getting mad.
The aloof 1,000 yard stare is part of their brand identification. You know, the “lone wolf” thing.
You talking about BMW, or Ducati?
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i only wave at fellow Stelvio riders. We are bad ass! :grin:
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I think I'm with LowRyter, probably scared to take his hands of the wheel in case he ends up in the weeds.
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I posted this on ADVrider last year. There were some interesting responses. I didn’t know that people on ADVrider read Psychology Today. Maybe someone gave them gift subscriptions.
Here’s the post (titled, “Sportster scorners”):
I bought a Sportster last year. It’s a “Roadster” model with dual front discs, etc., but it’s still a Sportster.
I have been riding my Guzzis this year and haven’t spent much time on the ol Sporty. So I’ve taken it out the last couple days.
Sportsters have got to be the Rodney Dangerfield of bikes. Most riders won’t wave when they go by. BMW riders look the other way, as though they aren’t seeing this orange thing with two wheels and “Sportster” on the tank. The do-rag crowd just looks straight ahead, I suppose because I’m wearing a helmet. The Vespa crowd ignores me because they think that HD riders will eat their children, or something.
So I’ve parked it. Everyone waves to the ‘90 Guzzi LeMans.
So — how many Sportster scorners are on advrider? Or, how many will admit to being one?
The fact that anyone knows a sportster is coming towards them instead of a myriad of other model bike is pretty impressive. Those people must really know their rides.
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I give a left hand salute when I see a hack coming, they are so rare around these parts, usually a Ural
The only Hack I have driven was a Chang Jiang in China, I couldn't wait to get back in the chair.
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I have an almost 100% success rate on the 73’ Eldorado. Maybe 60% successful when on my Norge.
It’s a challenge for me. I start with a solid hand up off the grip palm facing towards the oncoming bike. Depending on their response I might just drop my hand back down or give a good solid twisty wrist wave back.
For the ones that don’t wave I have gone into a big side to side wave, coming off the seat at times, challenging them to wave back. It just makes me chuckle and breaks up whatever I was day dreaming about.
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In my experience, I would estimate that 8 or 9 out of 10 riders will wave, no matter what they are riding. :thumb:
Sometimes, maybe they are looking the other way or distracted somehow. :huh:
On long trips, and out on the long, lonesome highways, almost everyone waves, because I think they are all just glad to be alive and out riding! :bow: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
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Oh goody another one of these.
* ONE - I strongly suspect you mostly get what you expect in this world be it from observational bias or by subconsciously influencing outcome through actions.
* TWO - others actions define them and not me. My actions define me. I wave to everyone (all other bikes, bicycles too, pedestrians, kids, cool cars, old guys on their porches, even that stuck up bitch in the neighborhood with the Range Rover rho never returned my wave till I was in the Defender). I get confused and sometimes wave at Jeeps when I'm on the bike whatever.
Most people wave back, some don't. Some are busy, some are probably cranky or shy or annoyed or whatever. It really REALLY doesn't matter what it is. I waved, and the lack of a return wave doesn't insult me. Though a returned wave can make me smile.
Wave or smile more, worry less.
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Well put Kev m, personally i wave at any Rider ,...Sports,cruiser ,make and model .Or sometimes just a Head notch .If some don't return ,doesnt phase me at all !!
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It's only a small, fleeting connection but for me sending out that positive vibe just makes my day brighter. I'm always hoping that I'm the first to wave at a newbie. "Welcome to the club."
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Me and 3 pals, son and grandson just rolled in from a weekend in the Smokey’s. Great ride and weather, all had a blast!
Keeping up with the forum at night as well.
Yea Kev pretty much summed up my feelings also.
Someone, cant remember who, posted that around 90% of the riders wave. I got curious about that number so On the way home I kept up with the wavers and non wavers. Who ever said 90% is about spot on.
Now just to clear up the Harley riders being the stuck up crowd, that was debunked, today at least.
The majority of non wavers were NON HARLEY RIDERS. I didn’t strain my neck risking running off the road for the specific brands, just non HD.
No argument starting statement because I personally could care less of bike types or even if someone waved or not, I don’t always wave if I’m deep in thought or really into a tune. If I can be perfectly honest, to me it’s like waiting for everyone who is driving a 2005 Ram 1500, charcoal gray in color, with a black vinyl bed cover with a beautiful lady passenger, to wave at me and I assume you know who’s driving this description of vehicle🤔
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If someone waves I wave back, regardless of what or who. I usually respond with what ever style the through first.
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pffffftttt
Amateurs !
Get yourself a Honda Gold Wing. They come from the factory nicely accessorized.
Just set the switch and ride. No more pesky manual wave.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51199741141_e49cb47201_z.jpg)
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pffffftttt
Amateurs !
Get yourself a Honda Gold Wing. They come from the factory nicely accessorized.
Just set the switch and ride. No more pesky manual wave.
I want that. Do they make it with positive earth?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51199741141_e49cb47201_z.jpg)
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"The Daily Driver..." :wink: :thumb: :cool:
I see this HD on the road all the time. Parked in front of a local Pizza parlor every day. He obviously works there. He always waves when I pass him on the road...
FXRP fairing, mini-ape hangers, 2-into-1 headers, Saddleman seat, crash bars...
(https://i.ibb.co/D1twcCm/IMG-3078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D1twcCm)
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I decided my 3rd week of riding that I'm not waving to or back at anyone, if they are on a guzzi and I notice in time they might get a beep or a thumbs up. Perhaps this has eliminated a lot of stress from my life?
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I decided my 3rd week of riding that I'm not waving to or back at anyone, if they are on a guzzi and I notice in time they might get a beep or a thumbs up. Perhaps this has eliminated a lot of stress from my life?
Perhaps. I love waving mid curve. You really find out who is in total control of their ride. :wink:
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https://youtu.be/CQVahbr_lHc
Some discussion on rules for the wave from a HD perspective, note the optional wave to Sporsters
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https://youtu.be/CQVahbr_lHc
Some discussion on rules for the wave from a HD perspective, note the optional wave to Sporsters
Someone ought to make this type of video for each and every brand of Motorcycle. Seems like every brand has it's brand identity. LOL!
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I wave to everyone on two wheels, even the scooters.
My anecdotal experience here in Massachusetts aligns with others; 90% of folks wave back or wave before I do.
As for the other 10% - I would estimate 90% of those are HD riders. But it's pretty rare I pass a BMW or other of the brands mentioned.
I actually find it hilarious when people don't wave back. I literally LOL when it happens... mostly because it occurs to me that they MUST be thinking something... what could be going through their minds? The most obvious thing is, "You do not ride a HD, you are below me." I bet me waving at you pisses you off. Oh well.
And then 2 seconds elapse and my mind has all but erased the encounter.
Yep, anything on two wheels. And I've even started waving to the trike crowd... a couple of times they seemed to wave back with a completely unsure-of-themselves wave... and I think, "Wow, I bet a lot of riders don't wave to them. I probably just made that dudes day (or at least I made that 4 seconds more enjoyable for him or her).
So screw 'em. Keep wavin'. Laugh at those that don't reciprocate, for they lead a lonely life... or at least they want to pretend they do.
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If you're happy and you know it, drop a wave.
If you're happy and you know it, drop a wave.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it.
If you're happy and you know it, drop a wave.
I wave at anyone on anything and if I can't wave, I nod. Yes, about 90% wave back. :thumb: :bike-037:
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I only wave with Dyno oil on my hands. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beating%20a%20dead%20horse
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My experience is that sport bike riders are pretty consistent with the two fingers to the ground, rubber on the road, wave, but they almost always wave. Harley and big dresser riders not so much, but not too bad. People get busy concentrating on other things or miss the opportunity, what ever, I’m guilty myself of missing a few waves. I also wave to bicyclists as I have a lot of respect for what some of those folks do. I wave to motorcycle officers, CHP, etc., but have yet to receive a wave back or even a nod. They seem even more aloof than the tough guy HD riders.
I've occasionally waved to motor officers on the road, if they don't look too busy, & I've even gotten a wave or at least a nodded acknowledgment back a few times. I'll even wave to police cruisers if we're crossing paths on a lonely stretch of road - kind of a "I'm glad you're out here" sentiment.
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pffffftttt
Amateurs !
Get yourself a Honda Gold Wing. They come from the factory nicely accessorized.
Just set the switch and ride. No more pesky manual wave.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51199741141_e49cb47201_z.jpg)
Now that is brilliant...!
Witty, on point and deeply soaked in comic timing.. :bow: :thumb:
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I wave to everyone on two wheels, even the scooters.
My anecdotal experience here in Massachusetts aligns with others; 90% of folks wave back or wave before I do.
As for the other 10% - I would estimate 90% of those are HD riders. But it's pretty rare I pass a BMW or other of the brands mentioned.
I actually find it hilarious when people don't wave back. I literally LOL when it happens... mostly because it occurs to me that they MUST be thinking something... what could be going through their minds? The most obvious thing is, "You do not ride a HD, you are below me." I bet me waving at you pisses you off. Oh well.
And then 2 seconds elapse and my mind has all but erased the encounter.
Yep, anything on two wheels. And I've even started waving to the trike crowd... a couple of times they seemed to wave back with a completely unsure-of-themselves wave... and I think, "Wow, I bet a lot of riders don't wave to them. I probably just made that dudes day (or at least I made that 4 seconds more enjoyable for him or her).
So screw 'em. Keep wavin'. Laugh at those that don't reciprocate, for they lead a lonely life... or at least they want to pretend they do.
It could be that they are just paying attention to traffic, or shifting, or are a daily rider and can’t be bothered with the weekend hobby rider. We can make up all sorts of things in our heads because no nice person would snub our wave.
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Perhaps. I love waving mid curve. You really find out who is in total control of their ride. :wink:
OOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAA AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa woahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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https://youtu.be/CQVahbr_lHc
Some discussion on rules for the wave from a HD perspective, note the optional wave to Sporsters
LAMO, nailed it! :thumb:
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Why would you want to wave to someone mid-corner, knowing full well that you might be asking a less than confident rider to wave back?
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Why would you want to wave to someone mid-corner, knowing full well that you might be asking a less than confident rider to wave back?
:evil:
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Why would you want to wave to someone mid-corner, knowing full well that you might be asking a less than confident rider to wave back?
So you only wave when it is convenient to do so? Yet complain about others not waving back, when it might not be convenient for them to?
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What are you talking about TWA?
Are you confused?
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LAMO, nailed it! :thumb:
You didn’t take one hand off the ‘bars to type that abbreviation did you LR..?
Might want to go back and have another little look..(or type it out in full... :wink:)
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What are you talking about TWA?
Are you confused?
When it comes to this forum, always!
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You didn’t take one hand off the ‘bars to type that abbreviation did you LR..?
Might want to go back and have another little look..(or type it out in full... :wink:)
heck, I can tpye and waeve at the same tome......