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Title: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 14, 2021, 08:07:54 PM
Ryan F9 tells you how after berating the EV motorcycle industry in a comical way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zlYpy6QCM&t=25s
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: steven c on June 14, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
 Got me thinking about doing that would be fun to do RD350 parts (no motor) I have....
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: LowRyter on June 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Not a California EV? 


(https://media.tenor.com/images/ee2b65b36e1c9e3304c9c6efeeda578c/tenor.png)
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: Zenermaniac on June 14, 2021, 09:50:49 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/JjFDKfL/65297041-DF36-43-ED-95-B4-F84-DB9-FEA1-C6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JjFDKfL)
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: Canuck750 on June 14, 2021, 10:01:13 PM
Brilliant! I need to find an Aermacchi 125 rolling chassis, add the hub motor and battery Ryan sourced then stick a Dyson Vacuum shell into the former engine cavity, paint it all orange and black and call it a Harley Hay Wire

Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 15, 2021, 06:36:50 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/JjFDKfL/65297041-DF36-43-ED-95-B4-F84-DB9-FEA1-C6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JjFDKfL)


Only a delusion for those who think they are being green by having an EV.  I am intrigued by the quiet ride, the convenience of never having to go to a gas station, No more fumes.  No more oil changes, etc.

I would rather convert my mountain bicycle though so I wouldn't have to register it and could explore bike paths that only allow bicycles and pedestrians. 
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: s1120 on June 15, 2021, 06:39:21 AM
I gotta admit... that was pretty cool, and looks like the bike would be a blast around town.
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: Deno on June 15, 2021, 07:33:21 AM
Hmm. I have an old Bultaco frame and wheels...
Might make an interesting winter project.
Title: Re: build your own EV motorcycle...
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 15, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
I can't wait to see all these winter build projects posted here.   :thumb:
Title: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: bad Chad on June 16, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
Pretty good, I couldn't find a thing to disagree with. :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zlYpy6QCM
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Ncdan on June 16, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
Interesting 🤔
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 16, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
W/O watching the video because I just do not care about "E" vehicle tech/development......For me E-bikes failed as they are the answer to the question that was never asked.

Wind farms are a close second.







Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: chuck peterson on June 16, 2021, 12:15:14 PM
Farming the wind…

Who would have ever thought?
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 16, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
W/O watching the video because I just do not care about "E" vehicle tech/development......For me E-bikes failed as they are the answer to the question that was never asked.

Wind farms are a close second.

YEP!  :thumb: 
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: chuck peterson on June 16, 2021, 12:32:47 PM
Great video thanks!

Makes A LOT of sense..

2 wheel ev, every where

It also suggests the new found interest in small bikes, such as 50cc mopeds and scooters.

 The first step w those is no license, 2nd no insurance, 3rd is no registration, 4th is…ride it
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 16, 2021, 12:36:19 PM
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=111070.0
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: blackcat on June 16, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
What are the North America monthly sales figures for Moto Guzzi?

".....the company produced at least 1,000 (LiveWire) bikes in an approximately five-month period. That would put them at around 200 bikes per month."
https://electrek.co/2021/01/12/harley-davidson-likely-wont-cancel-the-livewire-electric-motorcycle/
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: bad Chad on June 16, 2021, 01:24:10 PM
W/O watching the video because I just do not care about "E" vehicle tech/development......For me E-bikes failed as they are the answer to the question that was never asked.

Wind farms are a close second.

Then why are you even bothering to speak up on it here?
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: LowRyter on June 16, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
They're selling more E bikes now that ever.  The tech keeps getting better.

The Fort 9 kid loves his homemade bike.  He makes a good point that I agree with and made here before: EVs will have a much bigger impact on the urban scooter market; EVs have lots of advantages for the practical commuter.
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on June 16, 2021, 01:44:55 PM
bashing wind farms would betray the speaker never looked further east than Virginia Beach..  Multiple european countries are producing over half of their electricity with this tech
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: blackcat on June 16, 2021, 01:58:11 PM
They're selling more E bikes now that ever.  The tech keeps getting better.

The Fort 9 kid loves his homemade bike.  He makes a good point that I agree with and made here before: EVs will have a much bigger impact on the urban scooter market; EVs have lots of advantages for the practical commuter.

EV scooter's have taken over the food,etc. delivery business in NYC. Relatively cheap to buy, no license, little maintenance and with the speed limit at 25mph they can generally keep up with traffic. Eventually that will bleed off into the regular commuter market. And for those who are interested, go test a LiveWire but one bit of advice: Hang on.

Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: berniebee on June 16, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
Ryan is mostly right.  I'm an old gear head. Tweaking carburetors, shifting gears and hearing the exhaust note are big reasons to hang on to my toys. Don't get me wrong, I'll likely be replacing my ICE car with electric when this one craps out. But an electric motorcycle? Meh. For newer riders with bikes that are mostly maintenance free and slathered with plastic covers, the move to an electric is probably not such a big jump. And ICE scooter buyers face the least change when switching to electric.

Maybe electric bikes need to have an "exhaust note" speaker, like some modern ICE cars have? A selection of engine sounds, so that you could dial in a v-Twin (With a selectable V angle from parallel twin to opposed cylinders), an inline four (Optional: straight cut gear whine) or a V-8? A rotary? Turbine?  B-29 Superfortress? Ocean liner?

Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: bigbikerrick on June 16, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Thats a cool ,quickie e bike he built.  Im sure way cooler home made electrics are being cobbled up out there with just a little more effort, put in the build. Not bad for components he just ordered, and bolted together, for small $$.
Rick.
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: AJ Huff on June 16, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
Failing? Such an odd definition of failing.

-AJ
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: AJ Huff on June 16, 2021, 02:20:20 PM
There's no need to hear anything in order to ride or drive anything. Some might even see the absence of motor noise a feature.

-AJ
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: Murray on June 16, 2021, 02:20:31 PM
Farming the wind…

Who would have ever thought?

With the amount of hot air around here you'd think they would be on a gold mine :P , more seriously currently the cheapest way to add capacity to an electricity grid, even if you remove an subsidies that may or may not apply in your jurisdiction.

I don't think we have the final version of an EV vehicle yet, although a lot of the hybrids/ev's available are very good at the everyday commuting that a lot of people do, batteries while they have improved significantly are still rubbish, hydrogen may yet be a thing.
Title: Re: Why E Motos are failing
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 16, 2021, 07:39:04 PM
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=111070.0

That's OK.  Bad Chad doesn't read my posts.  LOL! 
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: Aaron D. on June 17, 2021, 06:20:59 AM
We've been running e-bikes for 5 seasons, fantastic for light , short tours and the like, and allows a slower rider to enjoy the company of faster riders.

EVs are so much better than petro-cars at the average car task that it's weird.

But I can't see an electric motorcycle doing anything for me. The form doesn't match the requirements for my function.
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: s1120 on June 17, 2021, 10:18:49 AM
People knock EV bikes... But for me it appeals to me as more exciting then a modern car with AC, and a auto trans... 
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: Testarossa on June 17, 2021, 11:07:30 AM
I built one 13 years ago and rode it to work for a couple of summers. I still have and someday will revive it with a LiFePo battery now that they're affordable. See http://evalbum.com/2076. This was before cheap hubmotors and miniature controllers. I've since built two 750 watt ebikes with cheap Chinese hubmotor kits, for about $400 each including better brakes. We use them shopping and for summer events around town. The new lightweight electric dirt bikes are a lot of fun, starting at around $3500. One of my riding buddies had one last summer -- got about 40 mile range and up to 50mph on steep forest service roads and trails, which is enough for a couple of hours of big fun on a charge. I would definitely build something like Fort9's special. It's at least as much fun as adjusting valves, timing and tuning a "real" bike.
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: guzzisteve on June 17, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
I seen a pic of a Eldo or Ambo turned lectric somewhere, might have been on the Ghetto.
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: Moparnut72 on June 17, 2021, 04:52:21 PM
EVs slow?  I was given a Zero as a loaner, darn quick. Surprised the heck out of me.
kk
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: AJ Huff on June 17, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
EVs slow?  I was given a Zero as a loaner, darn quick. Surprised the heck out of me.
kk

I think it's kind of like the Aprilia Mana. People here laughed and sneered at the thought of an automatic motorcycle (even though the Convert is so we'll loved. I never understood that logic). Even the same parallel thinking with EVs about the NEED to shift. A belief that a clutch was integral to motorcycling. But the people who actually rode the Mana? They absolutely raved about them.

Sometimes you have to try it before you knock it.

-AJ
Title: Re: Home built E bike/failure? Merged thread
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 18, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
I think it's kind of like the Aprilia Mana. People here laughed and sneered at the thought of an automatic motorcycle (even though the Convert is so we'll loved. I never understood that logic). Even the same parallel thinking with EVs about the NEED to shift. A belief that a clutch was integral to motorcycling. But the people who actually rode the Mana? They absolutely raved about them.

Sometimes you have to try it before you knock it.

-AJ

My friend Leo owned a Mana GT and I rode it once - that was enough, didn't enjoy it. Love my Convert though...