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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Canuck750 on July 27, 2021, 10:17:44 PM
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There have been hundreds of different motorcycle engines produced in the last 100+ years, some are more beautoful thatn others, some show most of their function on the exterior, some conceal the workings, some are complex and dispaly fascinating engineering.
The Moto Guzzi 250 and 500 singles are lovely motors with their large external flywheels and exposed hair pin springs on the early models but they are not 'beautiful' IMHO.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nchGrhpK/3-F1-B0987-4440-4-A82-ACA2-9032-C8-E0-C913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gr1ZBdwr)
My vote for clean lines are the Motobi / Benelli 'egg' motors produced in two and four stroke singles, two stroke twins in a wide range of displacement. This is a 200 Benelli Sprite four stroke single I am starting to work on, circa 1965.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7ZDM4s9t/618-BB5-CF-1-B7-F-40-E3-A614-16-E8-BAA3-F72-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HVZ74tfb)
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Black Shadow.
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Black Shadow.
Its a beauty!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FKkfTxrp/52-Vincent-Black-Shadow-engine-R.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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From the modern age I'd have to go with the Morbidelli V8. You really have to see one in person to fully appreciate the beauty.
(https://i.ibb.co/wz30Wnh/21649250-Morbidelli-V8detail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wz30Wnh)
Paul B :boozing:
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Agree with RinkRatII
I regret not being able to get a poster-size pic of one, after first seeing one in an Aussie mag. The Editor had no idea where I could get one and there ended my Quest.
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(https://i.ibb.co/LQbRs1Z/965-C92-BE-A2-BC-4802-B3-A4-7669-E04787-A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LQbRs1Z)
My A10...not a rats nest of pipes and shapes ,just organic simplicity
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The Morbidelli is certainly a top contender -- too bad it didn't make series production. I have seen one, at the Barber museum.
For series produced engines, I'd have to go with the later Ariel Square-Four.
PhilB
(https://i.ibb.co/LrBWxqc/image.png) (https://ibb.co/LrBWxqc)
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Near the top of my list as well..
(https://i.ibb.co/LQbRs1Z/965-C92-BE-A2-BC-4802-B3-A4-7669-E04787-A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LQbRs1Z)
My A10...not a rats nest of pipes and shapes ,just organic simplicity
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all beautiful, but nothing comes close to the original roundfin guzzi!
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The Ducati single for some reason has always done it for me :boozing:
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Moto Demm 50cc Gran Prix Champion 1961
DOHC, 9.8 hp at 15,000rpm
Moto Demm manufactured the measuring devices used in the Italian moto/car industry during the analog 50-60’s
(https://i.ibb.co/C2869Qk/92-F958-A3-0-B72-40-E8-9953-D29-E9-B617-F64.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C2869Qk)
(https://i.ibb.co/4m9vsQZ/5-F3504-DA-9342-4160-A934-D524-F8606-BED.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4m9vsQZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/yP35PXw/2-EB8-EF88-5178-4-FF7-A63-A-394-B2-A6304-DD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yP35PXw)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZLp43Hn/24004136-8554-40-BF-8-D1-C-811-E179-D58-E6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZLp43Hn)
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So many to choose from. Here's another I like.
(https://i.ibb.co/nC7L6mv/20201228-134529.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nC7L6mv)
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Great thread. Like all so far.
That said, the word “prettiest” seems (to me) somehow unapt, with “most handsome” or “best looking” or “most artful” or something, but not prettiest. That is, however, pre-coffee quibbling; sorry.
But, if I may also be pardoned for this somewhat iconoclastic comment, at least WRT the Euro nominees thus far, I think the prettiest — or whatever label one chooses — is the Indian Thunderstroke.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BST3bWh/0/684344e1/M/i-BST3bWh-M.png)
IMO, it is better looking than the 1948 Indian Chief 80″ Flathead it was meant to emulate.
My second place trophy also goes to an Indian engine, albeit of the pre-Polaris days, i.e., this, also a throwback. In this case, a 1920 Indian.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-PwS75VG/0/d63e0fc0/M/i-PwS75VG-M.png)
But, coffee’s ready — thanks, Kathi — so I may come to my senses shortly.
Bill
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Tons of them. In the 4 stroke world, the Yamaha XS 650 always comes to mind.
in the 2 stroke world, too many to mention. Most of the Japanese bikes from the early 1970's.
Suzuki's 125 Stinger was an eye catcher.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=suzuki+stinger+125&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fs1.cdn.autoevolution.com%2Fimages%2Fmoto_gallery%2FSUZUKI-T-125-Stinger-1947_8.jpg
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For all the "E" bikers. Those new WEG's are something.
(https://i.ibb.co/QpkkDQr/download-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpkkDQr)
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Feuling W3
-AJ
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Great topic. Low hanging fruit for me are:
Norton Commando
Norton Manx
Ducati single
Matchless heavy single
Roundfin Guzzi
Yamaha SR500
Virago 920
Honda SL 125
Panhead
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Pretty ?
Triumph Tiger Cub
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I am partial to this one. My 1955 Triumph T110.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Fsy9tZtx/IMG-8286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGhwZjzy)
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But I think in my stable this one wins. 1968 V700
(https://i.postimg.cc/T3FJBz0H/IMG_E7611.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhRCySz8)
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I've always thought the 4V Guzzi was the prettiest engine I've ever owned. It was also the "snappiest" Guzzi I've ever owned.
(https://i.ibb.co/xGmXyFP/v4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xGmXyFP)
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If you look at TodkaVonic's Ambo, you'd be hard pressed to not say a loopframe roundfin
(https://i.ibb.co/mTPZmGW/33-E69041-82-AE-46-EB-BD67-FB4-A0-B6-EBC54.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/2d4Xxw7/engine.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2d4Xxw7)
Nick
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I am partial to this one. My 1955 Triumph T110.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Fsy9tZtx/IMG-8286.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGhwZjzy)
Yeah something about old Triumph and Norton engines, they polish so nicely :) It's a beauty
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Great thread. Like all so far.
That said, the word “prettiest” seems (to me) somehow unapt, with “most handsome” or “best looking” or “most artful” or something, but not prettiest. That is, however, pre-coffee quibbling; sorry.
But, if I may also be pardoned for this somewhat iconoclastic comment, at least WRT the Euro nominees thus far, I think the prettiest — or whatever label one chooses — is the Indian Thunderstroke.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BST3bWh/0/684344e1/M/i-BST3bWh-M.png)
IMO, it is better looking than the 1948 Indian Chief 80″ Flathead it was meant to emulate.
My second place trophy also goes to an Indian engine, albeit of the pre-Polaris days, i.e., this, also a throwback. In this case, a 1920 Indian.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-PwS75VG/0/d63e0fc0/M/i-PwS75VG-M.png)
But, coffee’s ready — thanks, Kathi — so I may come to my senses shortly.
Bill
From what year is the motor in the lower picture? :undecided:
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(https://i.ibb.co/dBdGzTB/BF4-D35-B5-C26-A-4-F39-A18-D-6-B1-B3-E1-D6-D42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dBdGzTB)
Duc single. So magnificent.
My Benelli SS 250 has the egg motor. I’m not blown away with that one.
Cam
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Never owned one of these but always thought the late '60s Triumph Bonnevilles were some of the best looking bikes ever made. Cleaner engine than my Norton.
(https://i.ibb.co/VYwDskN/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYwDskN)
Pete
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Gotta love a nice engine...
(https://i.ibb.co/Gppb58Y/750ss-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gppb58Y)
(https://i.ibb.co/G3rT57f/OLYMPUS-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3rT57f)
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At the risk of sounding a bit cheeky, it’s whatever I’m riding at the time.
However, I am partial to the Bultaco and the Elsinore pictured here, at the “World Famous Marquette Motorcycle Museum" in Marquette Kansas.
Home of Stan “The Man” Engdahl memorabilia and much more.
Stan won over 3,000 races throughout his career.
inditx
(https://i.ibb.co/xz641M6/IMG-0994.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xz641M6)
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Never owned one of these but always thought the late '60s Triumph Bonnevilles were some of the best looking bikes ever made. Cleaner engine than my Norton.
(https://i.ibb.co/VYwDskN/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYwDskN)
Pete
:thumb: :bike-037: :tongue:
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IMHO it's hard to beat the late 60's british engine designs based on looks alone. My personal fave is the BSA big single, clean shapely and un cluttered.
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From what year is the motor in the lower picture? :undecided:
Not sure how many years, but at least 2002. See that year in this Indian Chief Roadmaster:
(https://i.ibb.co/C7SxNSn/lv0118-314858-2-2x.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C7SxNSn)
high resolution photo sharing sites (https://imgbb.com/)
Bill
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LOL, will this work Perazzimx as I spit coffee all over :boozing:
(https://i.ibb.co/3d4KYvd/1627479364164211765888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3d4KYvd)
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This has to be one of them....
(https://i.ibb.co/kM1PN7P/KNUCKLE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kM1PN7P)
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This has to be one of them....
(https://i.ibb.co/kM1PN7P/KNUCKLE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kM1PN7P)
THIS ^^ Top 5 for sure. Been trying to find a picture of a Parilla that has one polished casting that looks like a Y covering the valve gear -right side ?
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I am partial to my Triumph America even with its fake air cleaners,
(https://i.ibb.co/D1mWp0y/100-1486.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D1mWp0y)
but just in case you meant the prettiest engine you've never seen, here's my recent addition.
(actually it is butt ugly when you get to it)
(https://i.ibb.co/28vTc6f/7-4-21-in-Beaver-Ar-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/28vTc6f)
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(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/lv0119/lv0119-362356/images/1-1543953564679@2x.jpg?1547654475000)
1960 500cc Norton Manx
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piling on....
(https://i.imgur.com/DuEIPLD.jpg)
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THIS ^^ Top 5 for sure. Been trying to find a picture of a Parilla that has one polished casting that looks like a Y covering the valve gear -right side ?
I'm guessing you mean a Parilla 175/250 High Cam. The actual OHC 250 looked more like a Ducati single with tower shaft. The high cam (mid level, not overhead) is not actually a Y casting. It has little clamped rubber tubes enclosing the short push rods completing the Y figure-
(https://i.ibb.co/yqwp0Hk/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yqwp0Hk)
Hard to pick a favorite prettiest motorcycle engine. Norton Manx is very high in my list. But my favorite complete bike as a deliberate overall composition, including engine as part of that composition, is easy. it's a V7 Sport.
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I'm guessing you mean a Parilla 175/250 High Cam. The actual OHC 250 looked more like a Ducati single with tower shaft. The high cam (mid level, not overhead) is not actually a Y casting. It has little clamped rubber tubes enclosing the short push rods completing the Y figure-
(https://i.ibb.co/yqwp0Hk/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yqwp0Hk)
Hard to pick a favorite prettiest motorcycle engine. Norton Manx is very high in my list. But my favorite complete bike as a deliberate overall composition, including engine as part of that composition, is easy. it's a V7 Sport.
Hi Cam Parilla, a beautiful example of Italian engine castings!
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you beat me to it !
(https://i.ibb.co/2h98hP9/1957-Parilla-175-Tourismo-L-Engine-550x368.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2h98hP9)
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Another favorite of mine - the Gilera Saturno Sport 500, dual overhead cam
(https://i.postimg.cc/NF8GkTr4/Gilera.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I'm guessing you mean a Parilla 175/250 High Cam. The actual OHC 250 looked more like a Ducati single with tower shaft. The high cam (mid level, not overhead) is not actually a Y casting. It has little clamped rubber tubes enclosing the short push rods completing the Y figure-
(https://i.ibb.co/yqwp0Hk/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yqwp0Hk)
Hard to pick a favorite prettiest motorcycle engine. Norton Manx is very high in my list. But my favorite complete bike as a deliberate overall composition, including engine as part of that composition, is easy. it's a V7 Sport.
Agreed on the V7 Sport :thumb: Maybe what I'm thinking of is not a Parilla. What I remember :rolleyes: is 1 casting that covered the whole side of the motor including the area where the rubber tubes are on this motor...
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The Guzzi V Twin is definitely beautiful on the inside!
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXBq5kTs/B65-E1-C49-CCB7-4-F8-F-B252-09-A2-B68-DBAEF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3d5PSb50)
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(https://i.ibb.co/qkbtBrm/SOHC750-Honda.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qkbtBrm)
(https://i.ibb.co/jZXF0m3/Honda-SOHC-750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jZXF0m3)
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1940 Indian 4 and a V11 Coppa. Also think Indian did a great job with their Thunder Stroke V-twin
(https://i.ibb.co/pxrLWVC/f108706cc675c552d5653757f54972c5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pxrLWVC)
(https://i.ibb.co/6rQ6PXM/photos-moto-guzzi-v11-sport-coppa-italia-2004-zoom.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rQ6PXM)
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The Guzzi V Twin is definitely beautiful on the inside!
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXBq5kTs/B65-E1-C49-CCB7-4-F8-F-B252-09-A2-B68-DBAEF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3d5PSb50)
Around here down south, that kind of compliment ranks right up there with "well, Bless your heart." Too funny..
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Count my vote among modern engines as going for the Indian Thunderstroke - if anything, the new 116 is even better looking than the 111.
For something older and eclectic, I always loved the spare aesthetic of the 70s two-strokes, particularly my old Yamaha RD400D...
(https://i.ibb.co/1bvFScp/RD400D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1bvFScp)
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Esthetically, my favorite bike engines would be the MV Agusta triples from their last 1970s GP bikes and the Honda Elsinore two stokes of the same era. Both have a functional machinery look combined with compact form and attractive shape. Also the sound from each is compelling :thumb:
(https://i.ibb.co/9cjDq0p/11321-A0-B-3-CA0-4-C77-9-D87-2146444-F7280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9cjDq0p)
(https://i.ibb.co/DQQwZXc/50-EE071-A-58-A4-4-B6-B-9219-9-BDD0-CE8-E540.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DQQwZXc)
Guzzi engines typically have nice textures and details, but their overall form is driven by practicality in design and maintenance, not just esthetics, which is a good thing.
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This about the prettiest photo I've seen of a motorcycle engine. I think the pic courtesy of Lucky Phil
(https://i.ibb.co/JcyFwhG/CC04-A0-C6-BC04-4-A1-C-B26-F-8-DEF29920-C5-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JcyFwhG)
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Sandcast.
(https://i.ibb.co/pRPLWg5/DDFCA391-6-CEC-4707-BC6-B-39-ACB26-C0927.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pRPLWg5)
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one more vote for the norton manx !
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/lv0119/lv0119-362356/images/1-1543953564679@2x.jpg)
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Never owned one of these but always thought the late '60s Triumph Bonnevilles were some of the best looking bikes ever made. Cleaner engine than my Norton.
(https://i.ibb.co/VYwDskN/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYwDskN)
Pete
That would be one of my top 3 as well...This is a 1970... :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :smiley:
(https://i.ibb.co/zmqKDHd/Screen-Shot-2021-07-29-at-6-57-37-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/zmqKDHd)
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I always thought the BSA was the prettiest of the British twins, with the Royal Enfield 750 a close second.
(https://i.ibb.co/X2HktBB/BSA-power-egg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X2HktBB)
(https://i.ibb.co/gTVLdGC/royal-enfield-750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gTVLdGC)
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(https://i.ibb.co/8MvwFr1/2-ADECA7-C-21-E6-4623-BD63-45-D2-B63-C0-A23.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8MvwFr1)
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From what year is the motor in the lower picture? :undecided:
Here's some information based on questions I asked on an Indian forum.
https://www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/the-indian-chief-predecessor.335565/#post-3512859
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Dave and Pete have beat me to the punch but...
Pre Unit Triumph Engines have Always stirred the soul.
(https://i.ibb.co/6mJjjPQ/Triumph-Engine-Tach-Drive-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6mJjjPQ)
The later Unit Construction Engines carry on the beautiful look as well... All of my Current Triumphs are of the '70s persuasion.
(https://i.ibb.co/S3b27Ps/Triumph-Unit-Engine.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S3b27Ps)
Some of the other posted engines are indeed beautiful pieces.
We are all just helpless gearheads. I'm ok with that.
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I have a few pre units and unit twins...
(https://i.ibb.co/89TpwGz/28567256723-f87509909d-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/89TpwGz)
(https://i.ibb.co/hdVn28m/53-D4-AC6-B-A4-EF-442-B-A1-AF-98-B4-A10-AFBFF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hdVn28m)
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No cheating..!
(https://i.ibb.co/71WDhLG/2-CD37-EEF-D8-B0-4190-9-D1-A-029-E310-D6-AEC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/71WDhLG)
As a pro fotog for 30 plus years and always giving my opinion when not asked…
That pic could use a pair of twins….suntanned California women….in yellow bikinis
Just saying..hell w the motors
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This one is a contender.
(https://i.ibb.co/GRQdhZF/21456-B1-E-C809-43-E9-9948-89-E084592541.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GRQdhZF)
This one is not. WTH was Norton thinking?
(https://i.ibb.co/xgz9nQj/3469-A10-C-6-EA0-4-EC1-BED7-50-F5-B4-B2-E92-D.png) (https://ibb.co/xgz9nQj)
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"Tons of them. In the 4 stroke world, the Yamaha XS 650 always comes to mind."
Bingo. That & any of the larger Viragos.
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The Morbidelli is certainly a top contender -- too bad it didn't make series production. I have seen one, at the Barber museum.
For series produced engines, I'd have to go with the later Ariel Square-Four.
PhilB
(https://i.ibb.co/LrBWxqc/image.png) (https://ibb.co/LrBWxqc)
Yes!!! I worked at a BSA-Ariel-Velocette dealership in the early 1960s and the final version, the MK-II four pipers were stunning. All those aluminum cases and fins, beautifully polished.
Ralph
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(https://i.ibb.co/dBdGzTB/BF4-D35-B5-C26-A-4-F39-A18-D-6-B1-B3-E1-D6-D42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dBdGzTB)
Duc single. So magnificent.
Cam
My choice too Cam. Diana Mklll, one of the prettiest bikes ever made.
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I would say the Moto Guzzi V-Twin followed by the Victoria Bergmeister.
TOMB
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Never owned one of these but always thought the late '60s Triumph Bonnevilles were some of the best looking bikes ever made. Cleaner engine than my Norton.
(https://i.ibb.co/VYwDskN/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYwDskN)
Pete
Me too. Owned a buttload of 'em. Still have one. I would count the same vintage BSA twins in, too.
Larry
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now for something completely different
(https://g1.img-dpreview.com/34AD824BD7AD40C8865DD1ACD0259763.jpg)
(https://g3.img-dpreview.com/4E488B32AE1E437D99D31B1BAFDB49CC.jpg)
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I'd say this is another contender....1958 Zundapp Citation...now on Bat...
:thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/VvyCKcw/Screen-Shot-2021-08-05-at-7-09-09-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/VvyCKcw)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-zundapp-citation/
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I'd say this is another contender....1958 Zundapp Citation...now on Bat...
:thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/VvyCKcw/Screen-Shot-2021-08-05-at-7-09-09-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/VvyCKcw)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-zundapp-citation/
Zundapp in name only. Built by Horex.
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Zundapp in name only. Built by Horex.
HOREX made some fine looking machines! :thumb: :bow: :cool:
(https://i.ibb.co/88VmqCS/Screen-Shot-2021-08-05-at-7-44-10-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/88VmqCS)
(https://i.ibb.co/9v5FGPK/Screen-Shot-2021-08-05-at-7-43-44-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/9v5FGPK)
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and more....
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t2p2BqIpnJw/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://www.off-road.com/images/content/3-Maico-vintage-dirt-bike-1970-MC-400-11-18-13.jpg)
(https://i2.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Wood-Rotax-Flat-Tracker-Engine.jpg?ssl=1)
form follows function
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from the Wankel thread
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/WlRP1/s1/cycleweird-the-worst-of-all-worlds-suzuki-re-5.jpg)
where's the water buffalo?