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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: paul in rochester on August 02, 2021, 08:54:42 PM
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Out on a stunningly gorgeous day today, and got caught with a rock or bolt or somesuch off a farm truck alongside Lake Ontario. Kinda beat up the chin air inlet and made a helluva noise, but better than my chin. Years ago, a buddy smacked a bat (!) with his nose while in a 3/4 helmet at speed; I decided then and there that my helmet choice was decided.
Others will think otherwise, that's cool.
Paul
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I've had similar experiences and came away with the same thoughts.
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These kind of collisions with foreign objects is the reason our motor cop bikes were always equipped with windshields we looked through and not over, which protected the riders full head and body from debris kicked up off the road or unsecured stuff from another vehicle.
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These kind of collisions with foreign objects is the reason our motor cop bikes were always equipped with windshields we looked through and not over, which protected the riders full head and body from debris kicked up off the road or unsecured stuff from another vehicle.
I never thought of that. Makes sense.
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To me it would be insane to be without one.I’ve been hit with bugs that felt like someone threw a rock at me.Eyes are too valuable.
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Out on a stunningly gorgeous day today, and got caught with a rock or bolt or somesuch off a farm truck alongside Lake Ontario. Kinda beat up the chin air inlet and made a helluva noise, but better than my chin. Years ago, a buddy smacked a bat (!) with his nose while in a 3/4 helmet at speed; I decided then and there that my helmet choice was decided.
Others will think otherwise, that's cool.
Paul
Glad you had the right helmet on for the ride. Now, I also hope you wear knee, shin, and foot armor, as well as thickly padded or armored gloves. A buddy of mine got a fractured leg from a rock kicked up by a truck.
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Maybe not the first thought , but a few weeks ago I rode into the area of Lytton B.C to see what
all the news about the insane heat was ( it burnt to the ground 2 days later ) , let me say that
without the face shield down I'd of had to turn around . It was literally starting to blister my face .
47 degrees celcius , who knows how hot in the sun and on the highway ! Peter
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I recently took a cross country trip on my '08 Wing, which I haven't really used for several years. I always wore a half helmet when riding that bike probably because of the Wing's superior wind protection, ease of listening to radio/music and other Wing riders wear half helmets. I wear a full face helmet when riding my other bikes because of a lack of wind protection to the face & for wind noise reduction. Anyway, shortly after departing on my trip I quickly realized that I no longer enjoyed wearing the half helmet because of wind noise and realization of the lack overall facial protection. I'm glad I took my custom molded ear plugs but I think I'm done with half helmets. Another reason for me going to 100% full face was the torrential down pour with hail I got caught in on the trip, I would have really appreciated the benefits of my full face helmet that day. And, then there are the accident protection bennies of a FF. So, that's why I wear a FF.
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I used to ride with a 3/4 helmet and sun glasses figuring the windshield would block the nasty bugs and such. Despite the windshield, something hard and heavy hit me in the face and broke my cheekbone. Been using a full-face helmet ever since.
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Hi All, 8-3-21
Modular is a great choice...full face protection, flip up convenience.
Be well, stay well,
DougG
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I never thought of that. Makes sense.
If I may add, the new Technology in materials in windshields today make them non distorted just like looking through a car windshield and are no longer Plexiglas but a poly carbon composite which is almost indestructible.
Also I can’t tolerate being confined in a full face covering.
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Never had a modular or 3/4 helmet that fit me, but full-face is the way to go unless you're really hungry on the go:
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Just the opposite for me. I had to get a full face helmet just to breath on my Norge. I finally put a lip or extended screen on the bike and am back to my open face helmet. 10 days out west and no bug or debris issues. No claustrophobic sensation and it is good to feel and smell the world as I ride again.
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Rode for years with a "shorty" While leaving a parking lot one day I was approached by another rider who simply said "What part of your face don't you like?." Full face modular ever since!
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^ :grin: . Peter
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Just keep the the visor down on your full face. A friend was on a ride with a guy who had a full face helmet, visor up, when a buzzard hit him in the face. Filled the helmet with buzzard guts. Can’t imagine what that experience was like.
Pete
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I am using an open face helmet for my Honda ride, but simply because I deem the risk reward ratio to be acceptable on this ride only.
It’s a calculated risk I choose to take, but a risk none the less. If I pay the price for my choice, I will regret it and would not try to mount a case to justify my actions.
I’ve never put a mark on a helmet while wearing it, but I think the case for using full face ones is statistically overwhelming.
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I discovered this past weekend that full face helmet visors don't clear of rain when you are also behind a windshield. I had to open the visor and let the rain pelt my cheeks until I rode out of it.
When I ride my other bikes I can just turn my head sideways for a second the the rain clears off.
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I can't remember where I saw this (It was only a few weeks ago) but there was an analysis done of where the impacts occur on the head as a result of a motorbike accident. The highest percentage location? The lower face/jawbone area, which (if I remembered correctly) gets smacked about 25% of the time. That put an end to my shopping for an oh-so-cool open face/goggles combo.
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I've tried to ride with a open face a few times. I don't see how anyone does it.
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I have been wearing a full face helmet for decades. Also I have had modular helmets for many years as well.
kk
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I have been wearing a full face helmet for decades. Also I have had modular helmets for many years as well.
kk
My simple rule of thumb...no full fairing? Full-faced helmet required at all times.... :thumb: :cool:
Full-Fairing? You can get away with an open faced helmet, but should wear a full faced helmet anyway... :wink:
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I can't remember where I saw this (It was only a few weeks ago) but there was an analysis done of where the impacts occur on the head as a result of a motorbike accident. The highest percentage location? The lower face/jawbone area, which (if I remembered correctly) gets smacked about 25% of the time. That put an end to my shopping for an oh-so-cool open face/goggles combo.
ICON made a helmet to help you remember.
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I've always ridden full-face, simply because I hate the wind in my eyes, very sensitive.
Since I got the Ambo finished, I have been wearing a 3/4 quite a bit- I bought a pair of script Stoggles (fully shielded saftey glasses type for hospital work in the pandemic) and discovered that if I wear those pushed tight to my face they keep out the wind/dust/etc. It kinda helps that top speed on the Ambo is sub 70mph and I never ride on an interstate anyway.
I'm still FF 80% of the time, but for some reason the loop life has relaxed my former ATGATT standards, can't exactly explain why-- other than most of the time I'm just chuffing around on back roads and I can leave my garage to instantly hit great rural riding without any city streets/highwats/traffic
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Let’s see , the reasons I wear a modular helmet . The morons throwing packs of salutes out the car window on 4th of July , or was it the motorhome with the swill tank dripping , so they don’t have to pay at dump station. Maybe it was the time junior stuck his head out the side window of the mini van to eject a happy meal ! Or perhaps when the vehicle ahead of me ha a major cooling system issue , lots of steam &hot coolant if I remember right . I stopped counting the small birds & large bugs . Lots of reasons accumulated in 300k Mi.
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Full face for me.
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Full face for me all the time. There have been many times when I have been "hit" by a huge flying bug when riding out in the valley. Not only did they leave a huge "splat" on the visor, but if it hit my face that would have really hurt! And then there are the "splats" on the helmet itself which are sometimes huge!
I had a riding instructor say this about open face helmets: "Open face helmet, closed coffin...".
Be safe out there no matter what you wear and ride...
Tony C
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It's ridiculously easy to be killed by a slight upward blow to the chin. Ask Dale Earnhardt. It's also very hard to kiss the bride with a reconstructed chin. Carry on................. ......
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I’ve always worn a full face helmet too, but for a different reason. I’m trying to protect other motorists.
You see, when you are as gosh darn handsome as I am, women can get distracted and then have accidents.
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From SmithSwede:
I’ve always worn a full face helmet too, but for a different reason. I’m trying to protect other motorists.
You see, when you are as gosh darn handsome as I am, women can get distracted and then have accidents.
Dang it SmithSwede I had a response to that and then lost it due to my advanced age but it had something to do with that supposed handsome face of yours, then remembered why you wear a full face helmet. :grin:
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Full face after a close encounter with a golf ball from the local course.
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It's ridiculously easy to be killed by a slight upward blow to the chin. Ask Dale Earnhardt. It's also very hard to kiss the bride with a reconstructed chin. Carry on................. ......
But, let's not kid ourselves about how much protection a helmet provides. If we hit something that stops our forward movement it is pretty much over. The helmet is helpful for glancing blows, or sliding down the road, or deflecting small objects like bugs and pebbles.
Put your chin into the side of an SUV, the FF is just going to disburse the impact energy a little, but your jaw will likely fracture.
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Your point is valid. However, don't discount the fact that a slight upward blow to the chin can result in a fatality from a seemingly extremely light blow.
This is the advantage of a full face. Not telling anyone what to do, mind, and it's not much of a leap to figure hitting a brick wall at 100mph is survivable, but a slight tumble or very low speed impact? No, not every time. I boxed, I get it. But, it's the main reason my surgeon riding friends use a full face. They understand how vulnerable that area really is.
Just trying to add to the knowledge base, not preaching.
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Your point is valid. However, don't discount the fact that a slight upward blow to the chin can result in a fatality from a seemingly extremely light blow.
This is the advantage of a full face. Not telling anyone what to do, mind, and it's not much of a leap to figure hitting a brick wall at 100mph is survivable, but a slight tumble or very low speed impact? No, not every time. I boxed, I get it. But, it's the main reason my surgeon riding friends use a full face. They understand how vulnerable that area really is.
Just trying to add to the knowledge base, not preaching.
To add to the knowledge re Dale Earnhardt/"slight blow to the chin", the kinetic energy of his head vs the sudden deceleration from nearly 200mph to almost zero constituted something much different than a "slight blow."
When I bought my large Gairu (pullmax clone) metal working machine from the Butler Built race car seat company in 2019 https://www.butlerbuilt.net (https://www.butlerbuilt.net), we discussed his business during the previous 20 yrs. There had already been at least three deaths in the same manner as Earnhardt's shortly before that crash. But they didn't have the public profile of Earnhardt. This company already had a seat on the market with enhanced head restraint capacity, to provide protection that a helmet alone simply cannot provide. They also had others products and ambitions. But once Earnhardt was killed & the rules changed & drivers realized the appropriate seats were already available, Brian said they had been making seats non-stop and playing catch-up for almost 20 yrs. Their business took off and there was no time or room for any other products or pursuits. The goal is to better match any deceleration of the head & contents to the rest of the body mass so that things don't separate externally or internally (like they did with Earnhardt). This is done with a seat that additionally supports and restrains the head. A helmet alone- full face or not- isn't going to do it at those forces.
fwiw- I rode with an old half shell helmet for years. Some other guy that eats bugs made some very logical arguments to help enlighten me. Now I wear a full face.
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yep. I've seen those reports. I was oversimplify for brevity. It remains a valid thought that if he's used a simple additional device (Hanns or similar) the outcome would almost assuredly have been different. IIRC, did that incident also drive Simpson out of business or something like that? Bottom line point is that it's a valid concern with an unprotected chin. Simply educational. I care not about anybody's risk tolerance-heck, we ride MOTORCYCLES! Risky enough as it is. To each their own.
Anyway, 200G's is beyond horrific. Verstappen hit at approx 65 G's at the "incident" with Hamilton at the British GP a few weeks ago. Wow.
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yep. I've seen those reports. I was oversimplify for brevity. It remains a valid thought that if he's used a simple additional device (Hanns or similar) the outcome would almost assuredly have been different. IIRC, did that incident also drive Simpson out of business or something like that? Bottom line point is that it's a valid concern with an unprotected chin. Simply educational. I care not about anybody's risk tolerance-heck, we ride MOTORCYCLES! Risky enough as it is. To each their own.
Anyway, 200G's is beyond horrific. Verstappen hit at approx 65 G's at the "incident" with Hamilton at the British GP a few weeks ago. Wow.
I wear a FF or modular 99.9% of the miles I ride. But this discussion brings up a point. FF helmets provide better protection to the face. But what about protection in an actual crash? Where do we draw the line as street riders between protection, comfort, and ability to enjoy the ride.
We all know that there are the Leatt neck braces, and the Helite air bag jackets, and knee braces, and hip armor, elbow braces, race quality gloves, and on and on.
Where does the level of protection take away the enjoyment of the ride. We all have to come to that decision. Many say they are ATGATT, but everyone has a different definition of what that means to them.
Statistically the vast majority of accidents happen at 30 mph or less, so I always try to ride at 35 mph or more.
Number 16 in this list. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/little-known-facts-about-motorcycle-accidents-31124
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To the OP, Whew! that would have chipped a tooth.
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About 5 years ago I did an extensive research of studies on helmets M/C accident victims in hospitals from all over the world.
Bottom line is half helmets and 3/4 helmets are about equal amount of protection which is not much.
FF by far and away provide much greater protection in virtually all accidents world wide. I no longer have the information as I lost it in an upgrade and thought I had to saved elsewhere.
On a side note I low sided my Mille in the apex of a 45 MPH curve. I wasn't even highballing it. Missed seeing the gravel patch in the apex and I just fell over instantly. My FF bang the pavement and I felt the comfort of the cushioning. I said to myself before I quit sliding as least my head is OK and it was. The handle bar was bent as well as the crash bar bent up against the left cylinder. Scratches all over the left side from the chin up to the top of my ear. I would torn that side of my face off without a FF helmet.