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Title: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Yeahoo Whoyah on August 11, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
I've been reading the posts here on the 2021 V7 850 and other 2021 models.  So I called up the webpage for the closest dealer to me here in California, Elk Grove Powersports.  Leftover 2020 models at a discount was all I could find.  Upon inquiry, I was told "were not sure what we're doing yet" and "not sure what they're doing yet" and "We have a little breakdown in communications with them".  I recall similar problems in years past.  I hope they can work out their business issues with Moto Guzzi/Piaggio.   
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Luap McKeever on August 11, 2021, 05:28:26 PM
Sad trend.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: nbags on August 11, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
piaggo does not seem very customer service oriented , to customers and dealers I really don't think dealer can make much selling MG it has to be a very tough situation specially when dealers try to take care of their customers and wind up eating some repair that should have been under warranty to start with .Come on Piaggo step up and take care of the dealers that represent your brand , having built a reputation and a following make something out of it and run with it ,
 a Guzzi owner want nothing but a Guzzi to be their next bike it is tough when the support from factory is not 100 % there , never know step up you may sell a bunch more bikes
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 11, 2021, 06:23:57 PM
I looked at their inventory yesterday and wondered what was going on. They have a few Guzzis on the floor, only MY 20s. They were going to be my go to dealer considering my experiences with the Reno dealership. I do my own work but if MG comes out with a new model I can't live without I will definitely order it from back east, probably what I would do anyway.
kk
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 11, 2021, 08:15:52 PM
if it helps, you can purchase a new Guzzi from Hamlin Cycles, have Jim run it in and do first service, and have it shipped out.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 11, 2021, 09:22:09 PM
Basically my plan or Cadre Cycle.
kk
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: TN Mark on August 11, 2021, 09:38:43 PM
Many forum members and Moto Guzzi owners are fairly loyal and/or highly devoted to the brand. Most dealers simply aren’t afforded that luxury. Business is business and what sells and covers the overhead is typically what stays on the sales floor.

The Moto Guzzi brand hasn’t supported their dealers above average for 3 consecutive years since, well ever. Certainly not since I became aware of the brand after buying my first Guzzi in 1978.

This isn’t ‘news’ to anyone in the industry nor to any owner past their first half year of ownership. The owners/importers simply don’t seem to care about the US market. And who could blame them? The US is an expensive and highly regulated market for them to sell into. And their sales have simply not returned much back to them for their effort.

It’s sad as some of the bike’s could have potential if they were supported anywhere near the consumer’s expectation level. The brand continues to be a bit player in a niche market so it’s unreasonable to expect an adequate dealer network. A few good to excellent dealers in the US is simply par for the course.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: JJ on August 11, 2021, 09:47:18 PM
Sad trend.

"Going out of business since 1921...."  :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :wink:
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 12, 2021, 05:14:19 AM
My friend who owns the local KTM/BMW shop says he would LOVE to pick up Guzzi, but he carried Vespa for about 5-6 years before he dropped them (had no problem selling the scooters, he moved loads of them) and swears he will never get in bed with Piaggio again
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: bettythebear on August 12, 2021, 06:50:15 AM
I've never asked about it specifically, but I can't imagine AF1 has too hard of a time with them. Maybe it's because of the volume they do. It's not uncommon for them to have two dozen Aprilias sold by the time the truck even drops them off.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Vagrant on August 12, 2021, 07:20:02 AM
I bet AF1 has a under the table deal in place that makes it all worth while.
I've tolerated the pathetic support and going through dealers like diarrhea because I could do most work myself and it usually wasn't warranty. But now the V85 has had to be haulled to the dealer twice to get hooked up to "pads". It will take one more trip assuming they warranty the failing O2 sensor. I'm lucky as Marietta Vespa is only an hour away and has been very good to me and it's issues. If we are forced to deal with pads and Guzzi dia doesn't get us a fix for these new computers the long distance dealer purchases will end for 90% of us.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: sdcr on August 12, 2021, 08:35:26 AM
I have a friend who was in the MC business in the late 70’s and 80’s. He worked for a dealer, who along with Kawasaki, had Moto Guzzi. He relates a story that the dealership had to accept two T 3’s, for every Le Mans. I think it was around 1977 or 78.

The Dealership dropped Guzzi a few years later, which left just 3 Guzzi dealers for the entire state of a Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Mike Craven on August 12, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
.... If we are forced to deal with pads and Guzzi dia doesn't get us a fix for these new computers the long distance dealer purchases will end for 90% of us.
On a tangent there is a "right to repair" movement and legislation development in some states.  If interested see John Deere and Wall Street Journal in your web searches also.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 12, 2021, 11:55:28 AM
I have a friend who was in the MC business in the late 70’s and 80’s. He worked for a dealer, who along with Kawasaki, had Moto Guzzi. He relates a story that the dealership had to accept two T 3’s, for every Le Mans. I think it was around 1977 or 78.

The Dealership dropped Guzzi a few years later, which left just 3 Guzzi dealers for the entire state of a Pennsylvania.

I've been told by several dealers that Kawasaki has the best warranty in the business, and if you have trouble getting warranty work, it is the dealer, not Kawasaki. I even had a repair done by a Honda only dealer while on the road and Kawasaki reimbursed me the full amount.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: guzzisteve on August 12, 2021, 12:01:40 PM
I'll bet your booty that they have new model Vespa's & Aprillia's, just sell those. They will be back to a couple hundred bikes sold in US just like in the early 90's. Piss Poor outlook ahead.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 12, 2021, 12:48:41 PM
I just looked at their inventory, they have MY 21 Vespas and Aprilias on the floor. Not very many but a few. So how is this any different than stocking MGs, same parent company?
kk
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: sdcr on August 12, 2021, 01:08:54 PM
I only mentioned that the dealer also had Kawasaki. Nothing to do with Guzzi or any warranty work. :huh:


I've been told by several dealers that Kawasaki has the best warranty in the business, and if you have trouble getting warranty work, it is the dealer, not Kawasaki. I even had a repair done by a Honda only dealer while on the road and Kawasaki reimbursed me the full amount.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 12, 2021, 01:18:01 PM
I live 100 miles due west of Chicago and the closest Guzzi dealer to me is 6 hours away.  It's pretty astounding that the huge metropolitan area of Chicago does not having a single dealer!     

I was checking the dealer list on Daniel Kalal's post and it appears that all of the Wisconsin dealers have opted out of MG over the past few years.   The local dealer in Woodstock, IL no longer carries Guzzi as of last year. 

I must also add that the sparse dealer network has never been the slightest negative factor for me, but it doesn't give me warm fuzzies for overall MG success in the USA in the future.

I have been mulling over buying one of the new V7-850s since I test rode one at the National.   The lone Illinois dealer in the southern part of the state does not have any glowing reviews, so it will be another 30 minute drive or thereabouts to Cadre, which is just fine with me. 
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Tusayan on August 12, 2021, 01:26:50 PM
The basic issue is that the modern world is going away from the local dealer model while European manufacturers like Piaggio (and BMW) try desperately to force buyers to do ongoing business with dealers with service lights, proprietary tools etc.  BMW has been doing it for many years, way back to special wrenches...   Guzzi never did play that game in the distant past and if Piaggio were a little more forward thinking now they would realize that their product is actually pretty well aligned with the future: periodic service is very simple and can be done by anybody including owners and independent shops, and that legal challenges to their practice are mounting as per the FTC "Right to Repair" activity mentioned above.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 12, 2021, 03:29:54 PM
I only mentioned that the dealer also had Kawasaki. Nothing to do with Guzzi or any warranty work. :huh:

Has to do with the dealer knowing it can be better.  Dealers that only carry European brands just think it is normal the way they are treated.  That is the point being made. 
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Vagrant on August 12, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
I heard through a reliable source that when the new contract comes up Piss off E_O demands they buy a $10,000 parts kit to continue on. Note kit, not parts of your choice which would still be ludicrist!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: sdcr on August 12, 2021, 05:56:55 PM
This is similar to making dealers order models that don’t sell as well, in order to get the more sellable units. That is what I heard about in the late 70’s. Dealer was required to order lesser T3’s, in order to get Le Mans models.

I heard through a reliable source that when the new contract comes up Piss off E_O demands they buy a $10,000 parts kit to continue on. Note kit, not parts of your choice which would still be ludicrist!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: bad Chad on August 12, 2021, 06:43:00 PM
Has to do with the dealer knowing it can be better.  Dealers that only carry European brands just think it is normal the way they are treated.  That is the point being made.

That’s ridiculous. If you are able to figure that out don’t you think most business owners could too?
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: DaSwami on August 12, 2021, 09:05:34 PM
Just rode my Milano for an hour last night.  Full break-in service performed, traction control off, 900 miles, what a great ride, that will only get better.  Agostini exhaust in the garage waiting to be installed.

But I'm also moving back to Montana soon and the nearest dealer is 8 hours away. The nearest "good" dealer?  Don't know. Shrug

I have come to the conclusion that if I am going to keep the Milano and the Carbon Shine, I am going to have to learn to do my own service  / minor repairs.  If anything bad happens I am pretty much screwed. The ongoing trend in parts and support continues to be a slow downward spiral. It's so sad, as there is NOTHING that has that complete package of looks, character, handling, and fun like the V7 series for me.

I don't know what to do.

Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: rdtricks on August 12, 2021, 09:54:58 PM
The only dealership I will trade with for Moto Guzzi in California is GP Motorcycles in San Diego.  Yeah, it is a real drive for me to purchase a new bike from them but all the dealerships I have talked with in northern California left me feeling cold and uninspired.  Paul Lima and his crew treated me well and really worked with me over pricing and accessories.  I do all my own servicing and small repairs - to date - with parts ordered through the various vendors online.  It is a brave new world for us older riders.  At least most of us know a thing or two about spanners and oil viscosity.  Ha!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 12, 2021, 10:23:08 PM
It's not that dire for regular maintenance.  Any independent shop can adjust the valves if you don't feel comfortable.  The rest is fluids-anyone can do that.  Forks and brake flush?  Again, almost any shop can handle that.  Gotta be some riders up there who can point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 13, 2021, 01:25:34 AM
The tech in Reno is good. I haven't seen him since last summer, so I don't know if he is still with the company. I won't buy another bike from them but I would use the service department if I have to. I do most of my own work so I really don't have a need unless it's electronic.
kk
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 13, 2021, 06:06:50 AM
That’s ridiculous. If you are able to figure that out don’t you think most business owners could too?

A lot of businesses go out of business every day.  Go figure that out. 
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: vf84pc on August 13, 2021, 07:18:42 AM
I live in Buffalo NY last time I looked the nearest dealer was Hamlin Cycles in Connecticut 6+ hour drive. The last local guy Williamsville competition motorsports that sold many guzzi's (in relation to most dealers in the U.S) He complained that he had sold customers bike's but Piaggio did not deliver them or at least deliver them in a timely fashion. After he closed we had a small niche dealer handling Guzzi, Enfield and Ural they seemed to be a good operation everyone I met who bought bikes and had service done there said they were ok. However it seems that Piaggio was not happy with their numbers and moved the franchise to a big shop. Well the big shop pays it's bills by selling Yamaha and Honda and has Ducati for prestige, they certainly were not going to push Guzzi very hard. So now we have no dealer in upstate NY.
Th U.S. is the largest market in the world for Motorcycles (Large Road bikes) Europe and Asia are dominated with scooters and stepthru's (honda cub's)
Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki design and build motorcycles for the U.S. Market as does BMW and Triumph. Ducati is trying to gain Market share in the US
The European manufactures have lost touch with the US market. We have no BMW or Triumph dealers either, triumph had a dealer 1 mile from me and they sold allot of Triumphs and Victory's. Victory closed and Triumph came in and basically told him he would need to build a new facility dedicated to Triumph's and up his "Floor Plan" that being the $50.00 T-shirts and over priced Triumph merchandise that very few customers bought.
He told them to get lost and they went to the same big shop that Guzzi did and they dropped them also.
The Euro manufacture's are trying to emulate the HD lifestyle brand and make big $$ selling merch. but it took HD years to build that brand and the timing of they baby boomers was critical to their success. I don't think the younger generation see's the HD freedom of the road thing as something they want to aspire too. A young doctor at our pediatricians office had a V7 white with the allow wheels I think it was a 13 first year or so. He told me when he went to Bike nights with his fellow Dr. who had a Sportster the V7 drew the attention. But most people did not realize it was a new bike they thought Guzzi went the way of the dodo bird back in the 60's or 70's When he told them it was new with fuel injection they wanted to know where they could buy one! Needless to say they will quickly loose their enthusiasm when the found out the closest retailer was 6+ hours!
Back in the 1980's the dealers would work together to have a "Local Motorcycle show" attendee's paid to get in, the dealers had bikes there, there were vendors selling accessory's, there would be certain events to draw spectators and it was in January (Winter nothing else to do) The dealers sold some left over bikes and people became interested in the "New models" and it generated enthusiasm. No body reads bike mag's anymore they need to generate the enthusiasm and the following with events and bike tours and some bike shows, invite all brands but focus on your brand. All that will end up on social media and work with the dealers to build the following but "Rome was not built in one day" it will take time.


Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: krglorioso on August 13, 2021, 10:58:17 PM
Just when I thought Piaggio had shed the moniker, "The gang that couldn't shoot straight".  I'm still sad that Speaker's and MPH in Houston dropped Guzzi, but my disappointment is not aimed at these upstanding former dealers.  Shame on Piaggio.

Ralph
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Ncdan on August 14, 2021, 08:01:32 AM
Unlike many of the folks here I’ve only been riding and owning the MG brand for a little over a decade.
During that time and 4 different models I’ve came to two conclusions in regards to the Moto Guzzi motorcycle company.
First one is that the quality control leadership has some serious issues when they’ve allowed some of the flaws in past models to leave the factory and into the buying public’s hands.
And second, why would a company produce, market and build a product then simply not make every attempt to support and further the success of the product? I can’t think of any other company or product offered to the public which has been as slack and non caring as Piaggio.
By the way, I’ve enjoyed all four of the MG bikes I’ve owned and not regretted owning either one.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: DaSwami on August 14, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
It's not that dire for regular maintenance.  Any independent shop can adjust the valves if you don't feel comfortable.  The rest is fluids-anyone can do that.  Forks and brake flush?  Again, almost any shop can handle that.  Gotta be some riders up there who can point you in the right direction.

Thanks for the support KOF, and you are right....I'm whining....up to a point.

My heart says keep the bikes until the wheels fall off and my head says "sell now and don't look back..."

Sigh
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Tusayan on August 14, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
It's not that dire for regular maintenance.  Any independent shop can adjust the valves if you don't feel comfortable.  The rest is fluids-anyone can do that.  Forks and brake flush?  Again, almost any shop can handle that.  Gotta be some riders up there who can point you in the right direction.

As far as I’m concerned the only issue is turning the stupid service light off.  Piaggio has shot themselves in the foot with making that a mandatory dealer operation on some models, and more so as the word spreads.  Otherwise Guzzis see so easy to maintain that dealer service would never occur to me. Obtaining Guzzi parts is easy nowadays, no matter where you live or who you are.

I can’t think of any dealer that I would trust with my bike, either now or in the past.  I have used dealer service on occasion, under duress, and rarely been happy with the result.  There is always an exception that lasts for a while and then changes, but in my long term experience dealer mechanics are typically butchers and it’s not a benefit to have my bike in their hands, it’s a worrying risk when I’m forced to do so. This is the point that European manufacturers in general miss - their inward looking worldview and lack of genuine respect for their customers doesn’t allow them to understand that people in the US look down on what they can offer based on long experience, not up, and they need to earn respect, not expect it.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: bad Chad on August 14, 2021, 12:33:49 PM
I’m not sure if I agree with your conclusions or not. 

I do suspect that the whole situation facing dealers and manufacturers is more complex than most of us realize.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 14, 2021, 02:27:10 PM
I did not mean to imply "whining", not at all.  Simply trying to add a bit of "clarity by being not so close" if you will.
The singular experience that a Guzzi offers comes with a few "concessions".  Worth it or not is a moving target to say the least!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: TN Mark on August 14, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
….Any independent shop can adjust the valves if you don't feel comfortable.  The rest is fluids-anyone can do that.  Forks and brake flush?  Again, almost any shop can handle that….

‘Most’, not ‘any’ independent shop ‘can’ do a valve adjustment on a Moto Guzzi. I’d suspect the vast majority of independent shops have never done one and if they agreed to do yours, you’ll be their first. Therefore, you may not actually want them adjusting the valves. Sure it’s an easy job, but there’s a technique to it that most independent shops simply aren’t aware of and won’t read Internet forums to figure out.

When many ‘authorized dealers’ mess up and can’t be trusted with the simple things, what would you expect a typical H-D ‘independent shop’ would do.

Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 15, 2021, 07:32:59 AM
I'll concede the "any" to "most" but add that several of the independent H-D guys around here are way more qualified than more than one "factory trained" techs I've had the (dis)pleasure to have know.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: moto on August 15, 2021, 08:27:49 AM
I live 100 miles due west of Chicago and the closest Guzzi dealer to me is 6 hours away.  It's pretty astounding that the huge metropolitan area of Chicago does not having a single dealer!     

I was checking the dealer list on Daniel Kalal's post and it appears that all of the Wisconsin dealers have opted out of MG over the past few years.   The local dealer in Woodstock, IL no longer carries Guzzi as of last year. 
...

Better check that dealer list of Daniel Kalal's again. I see four blue spots on the Wisconsin map, two of which I believe to be active Guzzi dealers. A third is MG Cycle, not a dealer.

Maybe things aren't as bad as you  thought.

Moto
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 15, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
Better check that dealer list of Daniel Kalal's again. I see four blue spots on the Wisconsin map, two of which I believe to be active Guzzi dealers. A third is MG Cycle, not a dealer.

Maybe things aren't as bad as you  thought.

Moto

Yes, I saw that, I did my homework before commenting. 

Reina has 1 2021 in stock.  There is a question as to whether they will take any more shipments of MG.  At this point it appears they will not. 

Dunn's Import has always been primarily an imported car repair shop.  It appears they are out of the sideline of selling Guzzi and Vespa at this time.

Metro Motorcycle is not a new Guzzi dealer anymore.  Not sure if they ever were. 
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: blackcat on August 15, 2021, 09:57:45 AM
Owning Norton's and Guzzi's have made me a backyard motorcycle mechanic and I've never taken the purchased new bikes back to the dealers for anything. I did have warranty work filed by MPH but they just sent me the parts which was fine by me. 

BUT, I do understand the concern for those who don't want to take that mechanic path on a new bike. My local dealer no longer sells new bikes but will get one if I want to pay full price and there is no way I'd take a bike to them for service. 
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: moto on August 15, 2021, 01:58:16 PM
Yes, I saw that, I did my homework before commenting. 

Reina has 1 2021 in stock.  There is a question as to whether they will take any more shipments of MG.  At this point it appears they will not. 

Dunn's Import has always been primarily an imported car repair shop.  It appears they are out of the sideline of selling Guzzi and Vespa at this time.

Metro Motorcycle is not a new Guzzi dealer anymore.  Not sure if they ever were.

I called Metro Motorcycle a few months ago and they assured me they are still selling Guzzis. Perhaps you have some secret source of information about Reina, who have a 2021 on the floor? Dunn's still sells Vespas last time I looked, though no Guzzis since last year.

I suppose what you meant by your original comment was that there is nothing in Wisconsin that YOU consider to be a Guzzi dealership. You probably should have clarified this to begin with. I should leave such silly posts as yours lie.

Moto
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: TN Mark on August 15, 2021, 02:12:18 PM
I'll concede the "any" to "most" but add that several of the independent H-D guys around here are way more qualified than more than one "factory trained" techs I've had the (dis)pleasure to have know.

We are in agreement: many independent shops have great techs and many ‘factory trained’ Moto Guzzi techs are not very good. That doesn’t change the fact that most excellent techs at independent shops (primarily H-D) would typically be a poor choice to bring a Moto Guzzi to.

History continues to show there are very few great Moto Guzzi dealers operating in the US at the same time. If owners who require a dealer are living close enough to one for their comfort, fantastic. If not, perhaps that person would be better served with a brand that has a better dealer closer to them.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 15, 2021, 07:33:11 PM
Perhaps.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: DaSwami on August 15, 2021, 09:25:38 PM
I did not mean to imply "whining", not at all.  Simply trying to add a bit of "clarity by being not so close" if you will.
The singular experience that a Guzzi offers comes with a few "concessions".  Worth it or not is a moving target to say the least!

I did not mean to imply that you were implying...that conclusion came with some introspection. 

i think you captured it quite well!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: kingoffleece on August 15, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
Yep.  I didn't think so, but just to be clear.
Good on ya, sir.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Milosh on August 16, 2021, 08:40:38 AM
And I've been waiting since March for an ignition unit...
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 16, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
I called Metro Motorcycle a few months ago and they assured me they are still selling Guzzis. Perhaps you have some secret source of information about Reina, who have a 2021 on the floor? Dunn's still sells Vespas last time I looked, though no Guzzis since last year. 

I suppose what you meant by your original comment was that there is nothing in Wisconsin that YOU consider to be a Guzzi dealership. You probably should have clarified this to begin with. I should leave such silly posts as yours lie.

Moto

I guess I did go off a bit half cocked, therefore I performed a bit more due diligence this morning.   :grin: 

Reina,  I called and asked the direct question- were they going to remain a Guzzi dealer?  The response was very wishy washy.   If I can paraphrase the response was along the lines of "that changes day to day.  We aren't sure".   A friend bought a new V7 there this Spring and discussions during the sale left  the impression that Reina remaining  a MG dealer in the future was not solid.  Reina's response this morning was remarkably similar to the response I received from the Woodstock, IL dealer a few months before they made it official that they had dropped Guzzi.  I was told I could order a Guzzi with a deposit.   Therefore, at this time, Reina is still a MG dealer.   

Metro Motorcycle stated this morning that as of Spring 2021 they have dropped Moto Guzzi. 

Dunn's- as you suspected, stated that they dropped Guzzi last October.  I had a nice chat with the person at Dunn's who mentioned that they get more calls about Guzzi's now that they have dropped the line than they ever did before.

Therefore there is still one Guzzi dealer in Wisconsin, but it didn't sound promising for the future. 

I hope this post wasn't as silly as my last one.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 16, 2021, 11:58:09 AM
Sounds like Mopar dealers years ago when things weren't so hot, actually some pretty bad stuff. Now that product is really good and in demand lots of Mopar dealers and customer service is getting better. My local Dodge/Ram dealer recently changed hands, like night and day. Hopefully with the success of the V85 we will see some more new bikes and things will improve.
kk
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Ncdan on August 16, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
Sounds like Mopar dealers years ago when things weren't so hot, actually some pretty bad stuff. Now that product is really good and in demand lots of Mopar dealers and customer service is getting better. My local Dodge/Ram dealer recently changed hands, like night and day. Hopefully with the success of the V85 we will see some more new bikes and things will improve.
kk
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Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: DaSwami on August 16, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
Now there is a couple of coon asses if I ever saw any!
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: moto on August 16, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
...
I hope this post wasn't as silly as my last one.   :laugh:

WAY less silly, and quite informative! Thanks very much!

Moto
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Indypikes on August 17, 2021, 12:42:16 PM
Great info Dave, Thanks! I had the same question about Reina since they've only had one 2021 MG on the floor. They actually had a new V7 850 at Road America (MotoAmerica Races) in June and I think they sold it there. I was surprised to see them there to say the least.

It will be interesting to see what pans out in the Chicagoland market. Piaggio seems to have alienated all of the Euro Dealers in the region so it appears that their options are limited. It's hard to be an ambassador of the brand when they opt to not have a presence in one of the largest motorcycle markets in the country.


I guess I did go off a bit half cocked, therefore I performed a bit more due diligence this morning.   :grin: 

Reina,  I called and asked the direct question- were they going to remain a Guzzi dealer?  The response was very wishy washy.   If I can paraphrase the response was along the lines of "that changes day to day.  We aren't sure".   A friend bought a new V7 there this Spring and discussions during the sale left  the impression that Reina remaining  a MG dealer in the future was not solid.  Reina's response this morning was remarkably similar to the response I received from the Woodstock, IL dealer a few months before they made it official that they had dropped Guzzi.  I was told I could order a Guzzi with a deposit.   Therefore, at this time, Reina is still a MG dealer.   

Metro Motorcycle stated this morning that as of Spring 2021 they have dropped Moto Guzzi. 

Dunn's- as you suspected, stated that they dropped Guzzi last October.  I had a nice chat with the person at Dunn's who mentioned that they get more calls about Guzzi's now that they have dropped the line than they ever did before.

Therefore there is still one Guzzi dealer in Wisconsin, but it didn't sound promising for the future. 

I hope this post wasn't as silly as my last one.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: ozarquebus on August 24, 2021, 10:08:39 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/Yc7DMjD/239047499-4518829844814637-8532015536619081663-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yc7DMjD)
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: nc43bsa on August 24, 2021, 11:49:50 PM
What year was this published?

What is the sole North Carolina dealer?  I can't quite make it out.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Spydie on August 25, 2021, 12:32:06 AM
Now there is a couple of coon asses if I ever saw any!

Your RAM is still a Dodge.  Just do like I did and put the DODGE letters on the back and it will make you feel warm and fuzzy again.  They may be owned by Fiat which required the name change, but they are still Dodge.

On another note, I bought my new 2021 V7 Stone Centenario at Manic Moto in Queen Creek, AZ about 3 weeks ago.  I called around 5 states looking for a 2021 model and all I got was left over 2019 models and a couple used 2020 V85 models.  Manic Moto is a small dealer and hidden from view, but had half a dozen new bikes on the floor including two like mine, also a black one, and a couple V85 TT models in different colors, and some other model I forget.  And great prices.  Of course they are 250 miles from me and I do all my own service, but they had two mechanics on duty.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: ozarquebus on August 25, 2021, 09:05:14 AM
I do not know actual age of that image and that is the only picture, but a G5 with spoked Borrani's? 82?
That ad is for sale on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/805557360327514/?
as is this one on ebay:

(https://i.ibb.co/YXBY05s/s-l1600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXBY05s)
 not much clearer from 1990
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: jackthebiker on August 25, 2021, 09:13:58 AM
I have purchased 44 motorcycles in my life. 11 brands, one Guzzi. I bought a used 2013 V7 from a guy in 2015 with around 1300 miles on it as a second motorcycle. I really enjoyed it and my 2015 Indian Chieftain sat a lot because I was on the Guzzi. When I was thinking of buying another extra motorcycle to add to my stable of a 2019 Road King and a 2015 Triumph T100, my first choice was a V85TT. I went to find one and the closest dealer was 200 miles away. (Leo's South by Minneappolis who looks to have dropped Guzzi too) I ended up buying a Honda NC750X this last Janruary. Moto Guzzi cannot sell bikes without dealers. Yes you can do a lot of the maintenance yourself, or at a indpendent shop, but todays motorcycles require special electronics far to often. I still would buy a 2021 V7 Special because I have sold the Triumph, but will not unless there is a dealer no more than 100 miles away.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: sdcr on August 25, 2021, 09:17:10 AM
Nice poster,

Gone, but not forgotten;

 Spare Parts-Philly, Marsh Motors,CT, Harpers-Greenwood Mo,  Cycle Specialties, Athens Ga.

I do not know actual age of that image and that is the only picture, but a G5 with spoked Borrani's? 82?
That ad was for sale on ebay as is this one:

(https://i.ibb.co/YXBY05s/s-l1600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXBY05s)
 not much clearer from 1990
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: ozarquebus on August 25, 2021, 09:21:30 AM
Tons of old Guzzi ads on ebay;
(https://i.ibb.co/VSrrBr2/guzzi-sign.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VSrrBr2)

(https://i.ibb.co/b6V3fBW/jackalad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b6V3fBW)
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 25, 2021, 09:53:42 AM
Nice poster,

Gone, but not forgotten;

 Spare Parts-Philly, Marsh Motors,CT, Harpers-Greenwood Mo,  Cycle Specialties, Athens Ga.

Spare Parts in Philly is of course no longer a dealer, but they are still kicking in the Guzzi world, they do tons of service and engine work on customs, race bikes etc
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 01, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
I have purchased 44 motorcycles in my life. 11 brands, one Guzzi. I bought a used 2013 V7 from a guy in 2015 with around 1300 miles on it as a second motorcycle. I really enjoyed it and my 2015 Indian Chieftain sat a lot because I was on the Guzzi. When I was thinking of buying another extra motorcycle to add to my stable of a 2019 Road King and a 2015 Triumph T100, my first choice was a V85TT. I went to find one and the closest dealer was 200 miles away. (Leo's South by Minneappolis who looks to have dropped Guzzi too) I ended up buying a Honda NC750X this last Janruary. Moto Guzzi cannot sell bikes without dealers. Yes you can do a lot of the maintenance yourself, or at a indpendent shop, but todays motorcycles require special electronics far to often. I still would buy a 2021 V7 Special because I have sold the Triumph, but will not unless there is a dealer no more than 100 miles away.

Doesn't sound like you keep a bike long enough to worry too much about requiring special electronics to maintain your motorcycles.  I know I haven't worn the tires off a few bikes in my time.  On the 3rd rear on the V7III though.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: bulwnkl on September 05, 2021, 09:58:05 PM
Manic Moto is a small dealer and hidden from view, but had half a dozen new bikes on the floor including two like mine, also a black one, and a couple V85 TT models in different colors, and some other model I forget.  And great prices.  Of course they are 250 miles from me and I do all my own service, but they had two mechanics on duty.

Seriously?!  I wouldn't have guessed that.  Thanks!


On the topic of the thread:  You guys make it sound like dealing with MG is like dealing with Beretta.  Might have nice product, but NOT a company one wants to have to deal with at all, regardless whether you're a dealer or a customer.
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Two Checks on September 06, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
Harpers, gone?
Did anyone tell Curtis?
Title: Re: Another dealer on the verge of dropping Moto Guzzi
Post by: Dave Swanson on September 06, 2021, 11:25:49 AM
Harpers, gone?
Did anyone tell Curtis?

This thread is about dealers that sell new Guzzis.   May Harpers live on and prosper forever!  But they haven't sold new Guzzis in many years.