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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kiwi_Roy on September 27, 2021, 04:25:32 AM
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At our local coffee meet outside today we were annoyed by a guy blowing leaves with one of those 2 stroke backpack blowers, you could hardly hear yourself think, the operator of course was wearing the customary hearing protection.
He very kindly agreed to stop blowing for a while but the subject of 2 stroke motors being banned in California came up.
It was pointed out that the new 4 stroke blowers also use a total loss oil system oil and gas mixed, they are just as noisy, and just as environmentally unfriendly.
I was curious to see what others think, should we go back to raking the leaves?
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I hate these garden 2 stroke tools, next door has gardeners that subject us to strimmers and leaf blowers early(ish) in the morning, the cacophany doesn't do much for neigbourly diplomacy.
That's soley on the racket they make, they'd fit right in with the Hardley Boys
I'm actually surprised that nobody has imposed bans on 2 stroke engines at least for motorcycles yet.
I'd be totally against it but everything, I read and watch I see the Eco warriors out leaping out the woodwork, looking for something to rage against.
2 strokes come in all shapes and forms and don't need to burn oil, that's just one particular design on what is a whole range of engines
As far as blowers and all the other implemets, IMHO they have their uses, but are now too cheap and overused.
I rake the leaves in my small garden
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I don't know of any ban, but the emissions laws were easier to meet with strokes.
Is there a ban specifically on 2 strokes in California?
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I’ve gone electric for yard tools. No winterizing, broken primer bulbs, etc. I don’t mind the noise in the neighborhood though. It shows someone is taking care of their property or earning an honest living.
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I think that the nature of the neighborhood would be a factor. If you live on a .10 acre lot with your neighbors close, then you probably have a small enough yard to make electric yard machines practical. If you have a large property, electric mowers and leaf blowers just aren't big enough. YMMV.
Larry
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You guys love your gasoline power. Go electric!!!
-AJ
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You buying them for me AJ? :evil: Thought not. Until my i.c.e. powered trimmer and blower die of natural causes, I'll keep on using them.
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We don't all live next door to your Starbucks. We in rural areas don't need the city folks dictating for us. Enough laws already. MYOB.
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I think that the nature of the neighborhood would be a factor. If you live on a .10 acre lot with your neighbors close, then you probably have a small enough yard to make electric yard machines practical. If you have a large property, electric mowers and leaf blowers just aren't big enough. YMMV.
Larry
And a big enough yard you don't use a leaf blower. You use mulching blades on the tractor, or clippings catchers behind the tractor.
What pisses me off is blowing yard crap into the road.
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...We have a 2 stroke leaf blower...It's used to herd the hens back into their enclosure.. The wind does a good enough job of leaf blowing . You all need to grow something useful like vegetables and herbs in place of a lawn...
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I live on a 2acre wooded steep slope parcel, and I only have a couple hundred square ft of grass. Battery string trimmer and mower are plenty for that, but most of my 'yardwork' requires a 2-stroke sthil brushcutter and a chainsaw.
I will say I got a Milwaukee M18 blower with a 50a battery and I am SURE no gas powered blower even comes close to that thing, it is a BEAST
other best battery-op lawn goody I check out from the Asheville Tool Library is this thing:
(https://www.stihlusa.com/WebContent/Images/Product/2867/hta65.png?preset=Product.ProductDetails)
That thing is amazing! Chain needs sharpening every few hours (short chain- shorter interval) but otherwise it is super
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I doubt there will be a ban on 2 strokes so much as manufactures will stop making them making them obsolete.
-AJ
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This thread is getting very close to a "Git off my lawn you Damn Kids!" thread. Or one of those "Me" vs "We" threads.
The environmental "We" would all benefit from less pollution due to a lower national speed limit, and countless lives would be saved by limiting motorcycles to 25 HP and cars to 80 HP. Especially if the national speed limit is 40 mph.
A ton of "Me's" out there wouldn't like it much though. One or two sizes fits all never seems to go over well.
Electric tools are convenient and great for some jobs. Remember when you had to drag around extension cords? Bigger jobs may require the greater HP of gasoline tools. Until the "We" thinkers want to buy all the tools for the "Me's", enjoy your ability to buy what you want and/or need.
Not sure if I am greener than an electric mower user by cutting my lawn at 5.5" and waiting until it gets to 10" before mowing and using a gas mower. My neighbors are cutting their lawns 4-5 times for every time I cut mine. Sooner or later, all those dead electrons are gonna start affecting the environment negatively!!! :wink:
Never tell your neighbor who bags their grass clippings that they are depleting the soil of nutrients. They don't like it!
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I have yet to have any electric tool (shop or yard) battery last 3 years. My gas items are going on 5 years with me. And I inherited then from my in-laws. They are 12+ years old
new batteries for the tools we have are 2/3 the cost of a new electric tool.
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It was pointed out that the new 4 stroke blowers also use a total loss oil system oil and gas mixed, they are just as noisy, and just as environmentally unfriendly.
A 4 stroke engine with a total oil loss system? I had to look it up. Sure enough Stihl makes one, calls it the 4-mix engine. I can see the advantage- no sump so you can run it upside down. And it should run cleaner than a 2 stroke because the valves control intake and exhaust to reduce unburned fuel.
But you still have to mix gas and oil, requiring a dedicated fuel container- and my distant memories are that it's a pain in the butt to do. If Yamaha could do oil injection in the 1970's, why don't modern engines have this feature?
Stihl says the 4-mix has a higher torque than a 2 stroke and a "pleasant sound".
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And a big enough yard you don't use a leaf blower. You use mulching blades on the tractor, or clippings catchers behind the tractor.
What pisses me off is blowing yard crap into the road.
I have a squirrel cage blower on wheels that has a 10HP B+S engine and a 80cc Shindaiwa backpack blower. I pay a young couple some cash and all the firewood they can take to use those tools in my yard. I have forest on two sides of my property so the leaves get blown into the woods.
Larry
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I have a squirrel cage blower on wheels that has a 10HP B+S engine and a 80cc Shindaiwa backpack blower. I pay a young couple some cash and all the firewood they can take to use those tools in my yard. I have forest on two sides of my property so the leaves get blown into the woods.
Larry
A man after my own heart!!!
Always amazed me to see neighbors bag their leaves and put them by the side of the road for pick up, rather than simply blow them into the adjacent woods. I suspect some view leafs on the ground as somewhat dirty or unhealthy. I'm pretty sure leaves are biodegradable.
I have a 30' x 120' fenced in area for leaf storage. I fenced it in for my dogs. Before three of my neighbors got lazy, four of us could fill that whole area 18" deep with leaves. A half dozen leaf piles 5' high were great fun for the dogs, kids, and observers.
Two dogs can run the leafs into dust in less than 6 months.
Now I am the only one who puts leaves in there!
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But you still have to mix gas and oil, requiring a dedicated fuel container- and my distant memories are that it's a pain in the butt to do. If Yamaha could do oil injection in the 1970's, why don't modern engines have this feature?
Stihl says the 4-mix has a higher torque than a 2 stroke and a "pleasant sound".
I suspect the lack of oil injection has to do with complexity, cost, and weight. A lot of people would forget to refill the oil tank when refueling multiple times per day.
Bio-degradable two stroke oil is available for any who desire to buy it.
The four stroke Stihl's do have a deeper sound. For the higher performance tools, Stihl sticks with two strokes. Power to weight ratio I guess.
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Those battery leaf blowers are great for blow-drying a nice Harley. Metal flake, chrome, and no water spots.
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I have a squirrel cage blower on wheels that has a 10HP B+S engine and a 80cc Shindaiwa backpack blower. I pay a young couple some cash and all the firewood they can take to use those tools in my yard. I have forest on two sides of my property so the leaves get blown into the woods.
Larry
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I haven't raked, blown, or bagged leaves in 30 years. Lawn has been there every year in the spring, never had any damage. Always seems to grow just fine. Most of those years I've been covered up in trees. Now I only have one.
-AJ
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About half a mile down the road (old 66) from me is a long, grassy bank with several trees at the top, and a single goat. It's always a guessing game as which tree he is tied to for that day.
The landowner says that the goat keeps that bank "mowed" all summer, and then he ends up in the freezer in winter.
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You'll get my leaf blower when you pry it from my cold dead fingers... :copcar:
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FWIW, the Stihl four mix series was designed to get by the EPA mandates and was/is years ahead of it's time. They are much quieter and deeper sounding than the two strokes especially in the backpack blowers. They use considerably less fuel and burn very clean. The other big advantage is they run the same mix as all the other hand held equipment the pros use so nobody gets confused. Another advantage is if someone screws up and does run raw gas in a two stroke it's instantly turned to junk. Oddly the four mix has enough oil hidden in the engine to keep running for up to two tanks of fuel without oil or seizing.
All that being said batteries are coming on strong. They will soon replace all commercial handheld. Termendous savings in fuel and up keep. They will most likly be charged between stops by a small generator at first.
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Having spent the last two days (Sunday after 10 AM) using my Stihl 2-stroke weed whacker, blower and chainsaw to do some needed maintenance (the never ending fight against blackberries) along my culdesac, I vote for keeping 2-stroke motors alive and well for a long time to come. Now if someone could make electric tools that can work as hard as my Stihl tools - I would consider buying to replace as they age out. But at this point, I think I will age out first, as I have had them fro 20+ years and ther are built to last and at 69 I may give up the fight before they do.
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I don't care what the neighbors use to keep their lawns cut and trimmed as long as use something. An old neighbor would let their grass grow to about 10" before they would attempt to mow it every 4 to 6 weeks. Then they spent all day with a push mower and it looked like hammer shit just big clumps. I'd much rather put up with 5 minutes of string trimmer noise 2 times a week and have adjacent properties looking decent.
I've got several neighbors who have the same problem. They have to cut the grass super short in order for it to look "right" according to their aesthetic beliefs, but yet it is cut so short, there is no place for the clippings to fall. Any growth above 1/2" their preferred cutting height, and they are unhappy with how it looks. They are constantly mowing frantically, yet never like how their lawns look!!!!
Ironically enough, they want to know why my grass is always green, while theirs is dying. So I tell them "Raise your mower as high as it will go, and try it out. The taller grass will shade the ground and it won't dry out in the summer sun. Then your grass won't die!" They can't do it, cause the taller grass won't look "right" to them.
Another interesting thing I have noticed is their trees drop their leaves 3-5 weeks before my trees even though they are the same species of trees.
The Laws of Nature. Live with their rules or not, we all have a choice!
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This thread should mellow out considerably once those of us in marijuana legal states switch over from growing Kentucky 31 grass to the more profitable blend......
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I find it somewhat funny that our society condones blowing my crap out of my yard so that my neighbors can blow my crap out of their yard along with their crap.
I'm not calling anybody here rude, but it does seem like a pretty rude invention.
Makes me laugh.
Brent
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Who gives a crap about leaf blowers. Don’t ban these …
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUSsB1ppMtV/?utm_medium=share_sheet
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My Ryobi 2-cycle string trimmer/brush cutter is quieter than my Honda mower which itself, is relatively quiet. Neither requires hearing protection. I once apologized to the neighbor for doing the lawn later than I liked one evening and she said it's hardly a bother and much quieter than the landscapers equipment. As the equipment ages though I do intend to replace it with battery tools.
The gas back blower is a whole other kind of loud and w/o earmuffs would deafen you quickly. Maybe it's the blower fan and housing rather than the engine?
We all get along pretty well when it comes to noise. Only problem I've had is when I caught the back yard neighbor's landscaper dumping leaves over the fence into my yard. Talked to the guy nicely and it hasn't happened again.
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Who gives a crap about leaf blowers. Don’t ban these …
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUSsB1ppMtV/?utm_medium=share_sheet
Saw this on CL - always wanted to own a Husky ring-ding https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/mcy/d/farmingdale-1976-husqvarna-wr-250-dirt/7378766343.html (https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/mcy/d/farmingdale-1976-husqvarna-wr-250-dirt/7378766343.html)
(https://i.ibb.co/HV7T8XV/00-C0-C-gj-J6y6-GLBZJz-0-CI0t2-1200x900.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HV7T8XV)
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Ban nothing, except speed limits.
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I got tired of using my two stoke Stihl string trimmer for the 150' long ditch out front and went back to using my two stroke '78 Lawnboy. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/K6jMtKN/20210902-141627.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K6jMtKN)
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I got tired of using my two stoke Stihl string trimmer for the 150' long ditch out front and went back to using my two stroke '78 Lawnboy. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/K6jMtKN/20210902-141627.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K6jMtKN)
I love those things!!! I can remember mowing a friends lawn back in the early 1970's with one of those that was probably 20 years old at the time. I bought a new one about 1989 and used it here for years, but the deck wore out. Didn't have the good old cast aluminum decks like the oldies!
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The gas back blower is a whole other kind of loud and w/o earmuffs would deafen you quickly. Maybe it's the blower fan and housing rather than the engine?
Right you are. Moving air is the very definition of noise. Same with some mowers, the blade noise (the vacuum) is louder than the engine noise.
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I love those things!!! I can remember mowing a friends lawn back in the early 1970's with one of those that was probably 20 years old at the time. I bought a new one about 1989 and used it here for years, but the deck wore out. Didn't have the good old cast aluminum decks like the oldies!
I have a '67 I bought new when I was 13 after I roached 2 of my dad's bastard brands, I still have it, it has a magnesium deck. My '78 & '81's have aluminum decks...not as good as magnesium. They all run!
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I have a '67 I bought new when I was 13 after I roached 2 of my dad's bastard brands, I still have it, it has a magnesium deck. My '78 & '81's have aluminum decks...not as good as magnesium. They all run!
I have a '59 Snow-Boy, '62 & '64 (mag deck) Lawn-Boys, '80-something (aluminum deck) and a ?? with steel deck. Been using a Toro (Suzuki built 2-stroke engine, alloy deck) this year because it's self-propelled and I'm getting lazy. :wink:
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I have a '59 Snow-Boy, '62 & '64 (mag deck) Lawn-Boys, '80-something (aluminum deck) and a ?? with steel deck. Been using a Toro (Suzuki built 2-stroke engine, alloy deck) this year because it's self-propelled and I'm getting lazy. :wink:
Charlie,
Id like to see a picture of the Toro with the Suzuki two stroke engine. Never heard of such a beast!
I never realized the old Lawn Boy decks were magnesium! Can't imagine anyone going that route today!
Do we need to discuss that the two stroke all come with automatic mosquito repelling features?
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Charlie,
Id like to see a picture of the Toro with the Suzuki two stroke engine. Never heard of such a beast!
I never realized the old Lawn Boy decks were magnesium! Can't imagine anyone going that route today!
Do we need to discuss that the two stroke all come with automatic mosquito repelling features?
Looks like this, only in not as nice condition: https://www.k-bid.com/auction/3053/item/13
It belonged to a friend's late father and was destined for the scrap heap. I "saved" it, bought a few parts, got it running and have been using it since. Heavy, good power, more complicated than a Lawn-Boy.
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2 strokes noisier ?? I do a lot of dirt riding, and i can assure you that i will hear a thumper coming long before i can hear a 2 stroker. the sound doesn't carry, and im not sure a DB meter will actually indicate them as louder (never preformed such a test myself).
I will say that the sound that a 2 stroke makes may be more offensive to the human ear than the sound a thumper makes, but louder is relative..
IMHO 2 strokes are the ultimate engine design, and they can be just as clean as a modern 4 stroker. But this debate would probably need it's own thread.
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Then there's this... https://youtu.be/JVfqqSbB3Po
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I have to admit I broke down and bought a Sthil back pack blower last fall I went to buy a battery powered unit to blow snow and after trying it out I returned it the same day, had to take an in store credit and went for the mid range unit. It works super well blowing up to 4” of snow with no effort. It blows leaves like nothing else. It’s bloody noisy but I do both my neighbour’s walks to make up for the racket
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The older I get the less tolerance I have for loud machines dedicated to supporting the massive gut of some dork that inherited their money ;-) Rakes and goats are the future of property maintenance IMHO. Fight me.
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The older I get the less tolerance I have for loud machines dedicated to supporting the massive gut of some dork that inherited their money ;-) Rakes and goats are the future of property maintenance IMHO. Fight me.
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That's why I prefer to hang out with old people. Hard to say which are more fun, those who get less and less tolerant of others as they get older, or those who care less and less for the opinions of others as they get older.
The best part is neither are shy about "Telling it to you straight!" after they jump to conclusions or turn their filters up to 100%.
Few things are more fun than having a ringside seat to two or more old guys who don't give a damn what the other one's think! Especially when they have been best friends for decades!!
Unfortunately, the internet filters out all the descriptive body language, and the printed word doesn't convey more than a fraction of actual intent.
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Just to set it straight, I don't believe 2 strokes should be banned
I just said I'm surprised some agency or country hasn't, as the media focuses lazer like on global warming and the rhetoric beomes hysteric
I have no idea if its my advancing years, or perhaps some other factor, but I percieve a great deal more intolerance in general and don't understand where all the aggression is coming from.
I do get an insight though when next door's gardeners fire up multiple 2 stroke strimmers, trimmers and leaf blowers.
It sounds like a 70s 500 GP race is taking place outside my window at 7:30, heh I'm retired and entitled to sleep late if I want now and again
Is there some underlying reason that these small engines need to be so loud, most of them can easily be heard 1/4 mile of away?
I've never said a word to them about it, live and let live, it's not like it's life threatening.
They in turn say nothing when I'm balancing my throttle bodies on a peaceful Sunday which is probably equally annoying to them.
John
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I find it odd that no one mentioned adequate mufflers ! Ever notice how quiet some of the Honda equipment is?
I understand price point is a large motive with Mfgr. Maybe there’s a niche market out there for noise reduction kits ? Just saying .
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There are quiet units, but, it turns them into pigs so nobody buys them.
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Here is a real two stroke. SCREAMING JIMMY! 16cyl 2 Stroke Detroit Diesel 16v71
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxLb3Yqqds4
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Houses are spaced out around here. It seems everyone including the hillbillies has a zero turn mower with 25 plus Hp gas engines .The sound of the blades is extremely loud.. We have a 1986 John Deere 20 hp Diesel lawn tractor. Despite the clattering pre chamber engine ,when mowing it's quieter than a zero turn and uses half the fuel...My wife has a walk behind 4 stroke string trimmer thats used more a mower....Every year we mow less.
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I have no idea if its my advancing years, or perhaps some other factor, but I percieve a great deal more intolerance in general and don't understand where all the aggression is coming from.
John
I have similar perceptions. I suspect a lot of the change is due to generational differences and the result of technology, specifically social media/the internet.
As a child, most of the adults in my life, and the adults in lives of my peers, lived thru WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII. The obvious result of experiencing the real hardship they faced was they did not suffer whiners and crybabies gladly. I remember the expressions:
"Children should be seen and not heard!"
"This is a free country. Everyone is entitle to their opinion!"
"You are offended? Why don't you grow up?"
"Quit yer whining or I'll give you something to whine about!"
IMO, back then, intolerance was seen as a lack of self-awareness, self-reflection, emotional maturity, and just plain old polite manners. Talk is cheap. Quit crying and roll up your sleeves and start fixing the problem!
Now (last 15 years?), IMO, criticism of everyone and everything is a symptom of chic elitism. In my experience, today, the people I know who are upset and intolerant, view themselves as more nuanced and sophisticated than the person who thinks other people are entitled to different perspectives.
I think a lot of it has to do with Social Media. So many view themselves as activists, crusaders, brands to be marketed, and constantly-on-stage. I think the old expression was "Living in their front windows." It also reminds me of the phrase "Sea Gull Management!" or "Sea Gull Experts!"
IMO, it is easier and less contenscious to simply communicate face to face. That alone might be the biggest factor. Beyond a few hundred yards..... everything gets foggy! Imaginations are stimulated.
As I like to say "There is no common ground in cyberspace!" :grin: :grin:
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I have similar perceptions. I suspect a lot of the change is due to generational differences and the result of technology, specifically social media/the internet.
As a child, most of the adults in my life, and the adults in lives of my peers, lived thru WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII. The obvious result of experiencing the real hardship they faced was they did not suffer whiners and crybabies gladly. I remember the expressions:
"Children should be seen and not heard!"
"This is a free country. Everyone is entitle to their opinion!"
"You are offended? Why don't you grow up?"
"Quit yer whining or I'll give you something to whine about!"
IMO, back then, intolerance was seen as a lack of self-awareness, self-reflection, emotional maturity, and just plain old polite manners. Talk is cheap. Quit crying and roll up your sleeves and start fixing the problem!
Now (last 15 years?), IMO, criticism of everyone and everything is a symptom of chic elitism. In my experience, today, the people I know who are upset and intolerant, view themselves as more nuanced and sophisticated than the person who thinks other people are entitled to different perspectives.
I think a lot of it has to do with Social Media. So many view themselves as activists, crusaders, brands to be marketed, and constantly-on-stage. I think the old expression was "Living in their front windows." It also reminds me of the phrase "Sea Gull Management!" or "Sea Gull Experts!"
IMO, it is easier and less contenscious to simply communicate face to face. That alone might be the biggest factor. Beyond a few hundred yards..... everything gets foggy! Imaginations are stimulated.
As I like to say "There is no common ground in cyberspace!" :grin: :grin:
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What is the obsession with leaf blowers?
I think it is mostly just a way to make noise that others can hear, like putting flatulent exhaust systems on a motorcycle.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=annoying+thing+audio&&view=detail&mid=1CAB91A3758B2671EFD51CAB91A3758B2671EFD5&rvsmid=F245D8DB63A18B36DC39F245D8DB63A18B36DC39&FORM=VDRVRV
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I have similar perceptions. I suspect a lot of the change is due to generational differences and the result of technology, specifically social media/the internet.
As a child, most of the adults in my life, and the adults in lives of my peers, lived thru WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII. The obvious result of experiencing the real hardship they faced was they did not suffer whiners and crybabies gladly. I remember the expressions:
"Children should be seen and not heard!"
"This is a free country. Everyone is entitle to their opinion!"
"You are offended? Why don't you grow up?"
"Quit yer whining or I'll give you something to whine about!"
IMO, back then, intolerance was seen as a lack of self-awareness, self-reflection, emotional maturity, and just plain old polite manners. Talk is cheap. Quit crying and roll up your sleeves and start fixing the problem!
Now (last 15 years?), IMO, criticism of everyone and everything is a symptom of chic elitism. In my experience, today, the people I know who are upset and intolerant, view themselves as more nuanced and sophisticated than the person who thinks other people are entitled to different perspectives.
I think a lot of it has to do with Social Media. So many view themselves as activists, crusaders, brands to be marketed, and constantly-on-stage. I think the old expression was "Living in their front windows." It also reminds me of the phrase "Sea Gull Management!" or "Sea Gull Experts!"
IMO, it is easier and less contenscious to simply communicate face to face. That alone might be the biggest factor. Beyond a few hundred yards..... everything gets foggy! Imaginations are stimulated.
As I like to say "There is no common ground in cyberspace!" :grin: :grin:
I am convinced that humans, as a species are not mentally equipped to effectively manage a world with planet wide instant communication. Before the innanet, people with stupid and uninformed opinions didn't get heard beyond their neighborhood bar or grocery store. Now they can publish their stupid and uninformed opinion planet wide, instantly. Then 100,000 equally stupid and uninformed people read that opinion, and go, " He thinks just like me, I must be right!" and that's the root of most of the stupid drama that we see.
Larry
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What is the obsession with leaf blowers?
I think it is mostly just a way to make noise that others can hear, like putting flatulent exhaust systems on a motorcycle.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=annoying+thing+audio&&view=detail&mid=1CAB91A3758B2671EFD51CAB91A3758B2671EFD5&rvsmid=F245D8DB63A18B36DC39F245D8DB63A18B36DC39&FORM=VDRVRV
Sounds like you've not had to rake an acre or two of leaf strewn yard every year. Jes sayin'...
Larry
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I am convinced that humans, as a species are not mentally equipped to effectively manage a world with planet wide instant communication. Before the innanet, people with stupid and uninformed opinions didn't get heard beyond their neighborhood bar or grocery store. Now they can publish their stupid and uninformed opinion planet wide, instantly. Then 100,000 equally stupid and uninformed people read that opinion, and go, " He thinks just like me, I must be right!" and that's the root of most of the stupid drama that we see.
Larry
True.
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I find it odd that no one mentioned adequate mufflers ! Ever notice how quiet some of the Honda equipment is?
I understand price point is a large motive with Mfgr. Maybe there’s a niche market out there for noise reduction kits ? Just saying .
My father and I have the same Honda HRX217 mower. Mine is quiet, his is noisy - go figure...
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Sounds like you've not had to rake an acre or two of leaf strewn yard every year. Jes sayin'...
Larry
I like my leaves right where they fall.
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My main use of a leaf blower is to clean my rain gutters and downspouts, without having to climb a ladder. I bought a long extension with nozzle at the top which fits into my leaf blower. I can already hear what's coming next: "<If you had Leaf Guard or Gutter Helmet or (fill in the blank with whatever brand you favor) you wouldn't get leaves in them!" :rolleyes:
I do use it as intended - to blow leaves into rows, which I then pulverize with my Gravely. There are lots of leaves too, since none of my neighbors gives a crap (even the Baptist church across the road) and if I didn't do something with them, they would cover the front of the house up to the windows.
As far as noise levels: the electric Toro blower I had previous to my current Husqvarna was actually louder. The Husky engine is quiet and catalyst equipped, the impeller obviously better designed.
Yeah, I just like to "make noise that others can hear" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The logical old school answer to a neighbor who complains about how loud your lawn care equipment is, or at what time of day you decide to perform your lawn care is:
"If you don't like that my equipment is loud, or when I am working....... Why don't you get your ass over here and take care of my property with your own equipment at a time that is convenient time for you?"
If they don't follow thru and do it themselves, then they aren't very good neighbors......
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I am convinced that humans, as a species are not mentally equipped to effectively manage a world with planet wide instant communication. Before the innanet, people with stupid and uninformed opinions didn't get heard beyond their neighborhood bar or grocery store. Now they can publish their stupid and uninformed opinion planet wide, instantly. Then 100,000 equally stupid and uninformed people read that opinion, and go, " He thinks just like me, I must be right!" and that's the root of most of the stupid drama that we see.
Larry
I agree. That is kinda what I mean when I say there is no common ground in cyberspace.
The two analogies I like are
1. The Rorschach ink blot test, and the fable about the four blind men touching the elephant. Each of our worlds are filled with our own personal ink blots.
2, The internet is billions of blind men touching their own personal elephant and then assumes the world they experience is the same world everyone else experiences.
The other thought is the person who spends hours stewing over someone's comment, rarely realize that the comment was probably the result of a few milliseconds of thought.
The response of my childhood mentors would be something to the effect of "So you spent several hours or days being upset about a comment that somebody made that probably didn't have even a few seconds of thought behind it....... Whaddaya stupid?"
Me: :blank: