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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Arctic Fox on October 26, 2021, 10:15:17 AM
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Has anyone tried these on motorcycle (I know that people have put power chips into their cars)?
To get bit more power, torgue and smaller fuel consumption? Last one looks pretty cheap ...
Of course in the case of Nevada the possible change would be pretty small.
https://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/dyno-boost-motorcycle-performance-chip/moto-guzzi/nevada-750 (https://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/dyno-boost-motorcycle-performance-chip/moto-guzzi/nevada-750)
https://trackpro.com.au/memjet-evo-module-for-moto-guzzi-nevada-750-classic-aquila-nera (https://trackpro.com.au/memjet-evo-module-for-moto-guzzi-nevada-750-classic-aquila-nera)
https://www.mod-files.com/tuning-file-v2/motos/moto-guzzi/nevada-/2005-0/750cc-/750-i.e/48hp (https://www.mod-files.com/tuning-file-v2/motos/moto-guzzi/nevada-/2005-0/750cc-/750-i.e/48hp)
http://www.house-tuning.de/en/moto/model/3631-moto-guzzi-Breva-750-744cc-E3-48cv/#table (http://www.house-tuning.de/en/moto/model/3631-moto-guzzi-Breva-750-744cc-E3-48cv/#table)
https://www.chinaobd2.com/wholesale/nitrodata-chip-tuning-box-for-motorbikers-m6-hot-sale-755.html (https://www.chinaobd2.com/wholesale/nitrodata-chip-tuning-box-for-motorbikers-m6-hot-sale-755.html)
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Factory mapping is OK if you keep air filter and pipes stock. There is no proof of any research on any of the stuff you posted. The mapping you get may not work at all or be wrong. I would go with proven map work from someone known for good results.
What's wrong with the way the Nevada fuels?
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I remember an info-mercial 20+ years ago about a device you would put in your intake manifold under the air filter. It was just thin sheet metal shaped like an impeller. The claim of this 'vortex' or 'cyclone' (I forget what it was called) was that it would turn the direct, straight flowing air into a power inducing cyclone! 5-10hp gains!!! And better fuel consumption!
I believe you actually can get the same power increase by adhering racing stripes to your car, putting a K&N oil filter on it, or replacing the muffler (just the muffler) with a coffee can. Stick a big arse wing on the back and... WATCH OUT!!!
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My opinion - any claimed gains/improvements are not worth it, not actual & in some cases, detrimental. The 15RC ECU in the Nevada, Breva & 2TB V7s is well written & robust. It also handles aftermarket mufflers comfortably. Stick with the factory air filter. Now, balancing the throttle bodies in our 2TB bikes every so often brings the biggest improvement - smoother running & better fuel consumption - you should be getting around 4.5 litres per 100k. A manometer or vacuum gauge with Guzzidiag & the cables (from Lonelec) are useful here. Our motors are NOT supposed to be stonking dragsters, nor are they suited for the race track, there are plenty of other bikes out there to satisfy those urges.
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Arctic Fox has asked a question in good faith and she would not be the first to take that bait, I once put one on my Norge and the results of that were published by Roper on the “Huzo’s Norge” post...(also there was that sacred screw incident...)
These power commanders it seems, are nothing more than devices to dump fuel all over the map which can and sometimes do, have negative effects on engine life.
The good advice Arctic Fox, is to steer clear of them mate, unless you have good empirical evidence as to their efficacy.
Beetle’s maps are (mostly) held up as the gold standard of aftermarket offerings and have proven themselves over the journey.
The best course of action if you are not happy with your fuelling, is to contact Pete Roper or Beetle.
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A lot depends on what computer your bike has. The 15m allows some adjustment. The older P8 had a prom you could swap out. I tried three and none were perfect. They improved some area of the rev range and made others worse plus they killed gas mileage.
A Power Commander was the cure because it was infinitely programmable to your bike. With air cleaner and exhaust mod my '98 EV gained 10 HP in the 3-3.5K RPM range. Tractable power down to 1500 RPM. Plus gas mileage was raised from 36 MPG to 45 MPG. Don't write them off if you don't have any actual experience with them.
That said I have no knowledge of those posted by the OP.
Pete
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I did not take any of the responses as ridicule toward the poster. There was an absolute bashing toward some of the aftermarket gadgets listed.
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So the short answer is: Waist of money & time. Ok, I got that.
Now more money to use inline skates:
Changing these...
(https://www.eiskunstlauf-shop.de/4223-thickbox_default/pic-skates-performer-frame-set-p-53.jpg)
to these...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0264/2486/8898/products/rol-line-linea-inline-rullalaakerikisko-rullalaakerit-14952210923554.jpg?v=1619455334)
I love the the shape of stopper and idea to control the middle wheel (up and down). Those should make spinning and landing someway easier (more like on ice) ... plus see Italian colors :)
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I hope you wear protection when rollerblading.. broken wrists and elbows happen all too often.
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I hope you wear protection when rollerblading.. broken wrists and elbows happen all too often.
I trained figure skating between 6 to 16. Maximum more than 20hours/week. I was among of country's top juniors but I burnt out. I was totally out of ice 3 years. I started to skate again half seriously two years ago (synchronized skating / team skating). I found the missed fun again. Now while pandemia that has not been possible ... I started inline roller skating (alone).
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I can’t speak for motorcycles but for BMC cars reputable chip tuners have proven results. Not cheap but folks like Dinan can get at least a 10% increase out of a chip and retain warranty coverage. Fuel economy goes down a bit and the delivery is harsh in my opinion. So a factory rated 460 hp can touch 500 hp for around $2K. Not worth it to me but many owners chip their cars. It’s a slippery slope to bigger turbos, unrated heads and an endless cash drain from there.
Extrapolation to a 60hp motorcycle I don’t know I would invest in a performance chip for 5 or 6 hp.
I asked my local motorcycle machinist how to get more performance out of my 1973 V7 Sport years ago; porting? Exhaust? Cam? Carbs? As a former flat track am MX racer of national standing he leaned over the counter, looked me up and down and said “honestly… loose 25 lbs and take some expert track instruction”. Ouch!! That hurt but was the best advice someone gave me in a bike shop in years.
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Every 7 pound is equal to 1 horsepower. That's why you never see a fat jockey