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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on January 15, 2022, 08:29:58 AM
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Nice example from Wisconsin... :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-moto-guzzi-850-t-3/
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Nice example JJ. That should tell us if Moto Guzzis can get BMW type love.
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Nice example JJ. That should tell us if Moto Guzzis can get BMW type love.
Yes...nice to see these 850-T's in mostly "stock" and unmolested condition....
We'll see what this one brings in 6 days.... :wink:
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To bad it's not brown. dash housing is wrong...
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To bad it's not brown. dash housing is wrong...
C'mon now...Mister Picky-Une..."CLOSE ENOUGH!!" :laugh: :grin: :wink: :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :wink:
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To bad it's not brown. dash housing is wrong...
I know someone with a brown one and he might sell it for the right price. It's really a nice bike.
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It's nice to see one reasonably unmolested, but on BaT it'll probably bring stupid money. This one could use a little "love" to be a reliable runner - no oil filter and chrome cylinders could spell trouble if not addressed.
--Mark
'75 T
'06 Breva
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If it's a late 75 model it will have a filter.
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It's been pointed out that the dash is probably not original to an 850T (at least not one that I've ever seen) so it might call in to question whether or not the gauges are correct. The cylinders appear as though they're original so most likely chrome bores. If it is an early 850T it will not have an oil filter and will probably have a 13amp alternator instead of the 20amp bosch unit that was commonly used through years. Knowing the build date or the VIN number might give a serious buyer a better idea of those potential concerns.
This has been posted for sale in my region for a while now at what I considered to be a rather high price.
Overall. it appears to me to be a very close example of an original relatively unmolested 850T. Both the good and the bad.
And I'm not claiming to be an expert!
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Built Oct 1974.
Engine and frame #93890
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SDCR, those numbers and date code put it squarely in the grey area. My sept build 850T was an early no filter, minimal electrics model. I have since upgraded the charging system even though the original was working properly. By the Dec builds both upgrades were in place. Assume early unless you have a way of verifying otherwise would be my recommendation.
The 850T is a good machine with several well noted areas that could be improved upon (and mostly were with the 850T3).
Good Luck!
John H
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I love the classic look of the T but think that the T3 brakes look better and I have to assume function better. Marginally better is the G5 with iron liners and a displacement bump, although with a face only Groover can love. I built my G5 to look like a T3. It irks me that it isn’t original, but you work with what you have.
(https://i.ibb.co/xztmy1R/05-DEA033-051-B-4636-B551-F24-F8-A2-CD88-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xztmy1R)
Given the frugality of the MG crowd and the relative lack of knowledge about them it may be a while before standard big bore Guzzis get real money. I hope this auction proves me wrong. They are such great bikes.
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Is the black headlight stock? I think mine had the fat chrome ring reportedly unobtainium now.
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The one on my 850T is chrome as well as is the one on Jim B's. I believe that is stock, but painted or powder coated.
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This was on Facebook market for something like $12,000. If it sells for that I am using his write up and putting my T up for sale.
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This was on Facebook market for something like $12,000. If it sells for that I am using his write up and putting my T up for sale.
@ $2,275 now...(No RESERVE)...and with 4 days still to go...
...I predict $12K won't be happening for this auction. :rolleyes: :shocked: :wink:
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Anyone know if the mufflers are Conti’s ?
Also, on this start video, looks like the right side cylinder may be running lean?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-moto-guzzi-850-t-3/
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SDCR, those numbers and date code put it squarely in the grey area. My sept build 850T was an early no filter, minimal electrics model. I have since upgraded the charging system even though the original was working properly. By the Dec builds both upgrades were in place. Assume early unless you have a way of verifying otherwise would be my recommendation.
The 850T is a good machine with several well noted areas that could be improved upon (and mostly were with the 850T3).
Good Luck!
John H
Picture #90 *appears* to show the early sump without plugs in the front. Not the best picture...
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Anyone know if the mufflers are Conti’s ?
Also, Tom this start video, looks like the right side cylinder may be running lean?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-moto-guzzi-850-t-3/
Guessing the mufflers to be Dunstall or Dunstall replicas because of the 'Gatling Gun' outlets visible in Pic# 21.
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@Scout63,
As you are fairly familiar with these 850 T’s, would you be kind enough to share your assessment and sentiments, regarding the auction bike?
Thanks
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Thanks.
Guessing the mufflers to be Dunstall or Dunstall replicas because of the 'Gatling Gun' outlets visible in Pic# 21.
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@Scout63,
As you are fairly familiar with these 850 T’s, would you be kind enough to share your assessment and sentiments, regarding the auction bike?
Thanks
Hey John. I’m not an expert on T’s at all. I rebuilt my G5 as a T3 cause I love the look, but don’t know the earlier models. Web searching old Guzzi ads is the way to go. Or ask Charlie. He knows all.
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Any T3 folks know if this is a Linked brake model.
Also, would this have the duel point distributor?
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Rear drum, single front disc = 850T which neans not linked.
If it's, stock an 850T had a dual point distributor, with a slightly different advance than the later models.
I see a receipt for an oil filter in the pictures, so it could be that this is a later model 850T.
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T3 has linked brakes. T does not, as it has a drum rear brake, rather than a disc. It does have dual point distributor.
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Rear drum, single front disc = 850T which neans not linked.
If it's, stock an 850T had a dual point distributor, with a slightly different advance than the later models.
I see a receipt for an oil filter in the pictures, so it could be that this is a later model 850T.
John, not *trying* to sound like a smart a$$ know it all - you know it comes naturally to me - :laugh: but that Hi Flo Filter does not fit the 850T; it's for modern Black Mit Whites.
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This is getting confusing. This is listed as a T-3, but has a rear drum.
Are you saying that it is not a T-3, but actually a T ?
T3 has linked brakes. T does not, as it has a drum rear brake, rather than a disc. It does have dual point distributor.
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This is getting confusing. This is listed as a T-3, but has a rear drum.
Are you saying that it is not a T-3, but actually a T ?
The url says "850-T-3" but the text of the auction says 850-T. It is definitely an 850-T, not T3.
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Got it Charlie, thanks.
The url says "850-T-3" but the text of the auction says 850-T. It is definitely an 850-T, not T3.
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Well............... ...I should put my reading glasses on now that I turned 70. I didn't see the "Bavarian Monkey Whacker" nomenclature on the invoice.
And again, the dash is not from any 850T I've seen but it sure looks like it (the dash) is from a T3. The numbers match up with what I would expect to see if I were looking at a T.
John H
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Currently at $3600, plus the buyers premium. Right at the top of my buy in bid, as I would still need to ship it half way across the states.
With the cylinder situation unknown, I probably won’t be there at the 2 minute mark.
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Currently at $3600, plus the buyers premium. Right at the top of my buy in bid, as I would still need to ship it half way across the states.
With the cylinder situation unknown, I probably won’t be there at the 2 minute mark.
Agree that it's already at the top end of sensible... Especially if it's a pre-filter model.
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Thats a nice looking 850 T, but the Emgo dunstall replica mufflers sure sound like—— and dont do that bike justice. IMHO. I put a set on my Cal II some years ago, rode it around the block, and promptly removed them, to the scrap pile. With the proper exhaust, that bike should produce , a sweet, mellow sound, not that tinny harshness.
Rick.
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WOW!! $3,800...and less than 17 hours to GO!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :wink: :smiley:
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Here we GO now!! $4,300 and less than two (2) hours left to GO!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :bow: :thumb: :boozing:
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In the auction, photo #45, the generator light indicator, is on, when the key is turned on.
However, on the cold start video, the key is turned on, and the generator light does not illuminated. Puzzled about this.
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Sold, $7800! Plus the buyer's fee of $390, making the buyer's price $8190. Insane.
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$7800. + 5% premium + shipping money....
BaT SHi@#T Crazy.
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:coffee: :rolleyes:
>$8k!
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To bad it's not brown. dash housing is wrong...
I bought a '75 T in the eighties from the second owner. While he had made a few changes, most noticeably to lower handlebars, louder mufflers, and removed the turn signals! He said the rest of the bike was stock, at least it was when he bought it from the original owner. It was that BFU pong brown color, had been stored outside for years, so was rusty and faded. I painted it, in the 90's, not thinking about restoration, but just to improve the looks. Eventually put on wider, higher bars (from an old Triumph) and replaced the turn signals with after market ones. The black headlight and dash are stock as far as I know. I wouldn't mind getting $8K for mine, but I'd expect half that more likely, if I'm lucky!
(https://i.ibb.co/cxyg7YP/IMG-0989.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cxyg7YP)
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Nice paint,how about the rest of the bike Jon?Any photos?
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Sold, $7800! Plus the buyer's fee of $390, making the buyer's price $8190. Insane.
Well...someone wanted that GUZZI!! Good for the seller!! :thumb: :boozing: :cool:
Perhaps BaT auctions will finally drive the old Guzzi prices upward!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:
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Well...
Perhaps BaT auctions will finally drive the old Guzzi prices upward!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:
JJ,
Nothing really wrong with that, except every vehicle on BaT sells for crazy high prices. Whether it’s a survivor Pinto, or a crusty 911
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JJ,
Nothing really wrong with that, except every vehicle on BaT sells for crazy high prices. Whether it’s a survivor Pinto, or a crusty 911
Yes, it has been INSANE the past few years on BaT!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
Just look at the SOLD prices of vintage airhead Beemers and also classic Ducati's, just to mention a few!
...and little Honda "tiddlers" - - Forget About It!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/r5JrKSx/Screen-Shot-2022-01-21-at-2-45-17-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/r5JrKSx)
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Nice paint,how about the rest of the bike Jon?Any photos?
Here's a couple from one of last falls rides, I was headed out to the "park" (Chena River Rec. Area) when I ran into a DOT crew patching a section of the Hot Springs RD. So I turned around and headed back, got these pics on the way home. Not great for fall colors, but at least they show both sides of the bike!
(https://i.ibb.co/kxpJVPg/IMG-3135.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kxpJVPg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jJK4ndY/IMG-3137.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJK4ndY)
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I didn’t think the sale price was outrageous given that the R100RS sold for over 12K. I should stop messing around with the SP and dig out my dusty / dirty / varnished carbed R100S for a good shine and sale. Sooner or later bidders are going to realize that airheads and even /2s were sold in pretty good quantities and are a bit of a yawner to ride. Although very well engineered and nice looking from the right angles, they make sense as daily riders only to those who wrench themselves and don’t mind antiquated brakes, power and handling. Also, to really qualify as an airhead enthusiast, home beer brewing, baldness and residence in the CA, WA or OR are helpful. Fighting words I’m sure...
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I didn’t think the sale price was outrageous given that the R100RS sold for over 12K. I should stop messing around with the SP and dig out my dusty / dirty / varnished carbed R100S for a good shine and sale. Sooner or later bidders are going to realize that airheads and even /2s were sold in pretty good quantities and are a bit of a yawner to ride. Although very well engineered and nice looking from the right angles, they make sense as daily riders only to those who wrench themselves and don’t mind antiquated brakes, power and handling. Also, to really qualify as an airhead enthusiast, home beer brewing, baldness and residence in the CA, WA or OR are helpful. Fighting words I’m sure...
You could add AK to that list as there's a healthy contingent in Fairbanks, at least as healthy as geezers go. I'd guess the average age is close to sixty, but they don't all ride older BMWs. Haven't been to a meeting since the pestilence hit, but here's a pic from a few years back...
(https://i.ibb.co/sJbdy5Q/IMG-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sJbdy5Q)
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WOW!! 8 grand for a 850T!! Great bike, but thats some real money.
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I was bidding on this, but capped my high bid at around $3500. I would also have a $250.minimum buyers premium, and shipping costs back to Pa. Plus, I would expect additional costs to refurb, like new mufflers etc.
WOW!! 8 grand for a 850T!! Great bike, but thats some real money.
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Here's a couple from the last fall ride, I was headed out to the "park" (Chena River Rec. Area) when I ran into a DOT crew patching a section of the Hot Springs RD. So I turned around and headed back, got these pics on the way home. Not great fall colors, but at least they show both sides of the bike!
(https://i.ibb.co/4jpJhFs/IMG-3135.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4jpJhFs)
(https://i.ibb.co/T1FpVfM/IMG-3137.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1FpVfM)
That's a really nice, clean, mostly stock 850-T...as it should be!! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
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That's a really nice, clean, mostly stock 850-T...as it should be!! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
Thanks JJ, your taste is impeccable!
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Here is another beauty...mostly stock Mille-GT...seen at the Datil, NM Rally a few years back...NM rider...Lovely!!
(https://i.ibb.co/fCP3kZN/IMG-0006-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fCP3kZN)
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JJ, by any chance was that Mille from Silver City?
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JJ, by any chance was that Mille from Silver City?
Yes, I believe so! I forget the guys name (??), but I know he was from New Mexico, outside Albuquerque.
Nice fellow, and I have talked to him several times at Datil....
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I was bidding on this, but capped my high bid at around $3500. I would also have a $250.minimum buyers premium, and shipping costs back to Pa. Plus, I would expect additional costs to refurb, like new mufflers etc.
And it was never clear if those were the original chrome bores so there would be another $1,000 bucks if you did it yourself.
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I believe that's Pete Kraemer, he used to be part of the Colorado Springs crew back when we hosted the National in 2009. Always on a different vintage Guzzi that looks showroom fresh!
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I believe that's Pete Kraemer, he used to be part of the Colorado Springs crew back when we hosted the National in 2009. Always on a different vintage Guzzi that looks showroom fresh!
Someone name Jack Jesse from Wisconsin claims to be the previous owner and he said the bike had chrome bores.