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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJ on March 12, 2022, 02:24:12 PM
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:thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: :smiley: :smiley:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-yamaha-sr500-3/
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The only bike I ever really regretted selling, and had it returned to my possession a few years ago.
Wisdom says a bad right ankle doesn't make sense to put it back on the road now.
The electric starter kits for them are worth the price of a bike, but at some point, it might make sense. Most of the people interested in the SR, are at an age where kicking one over isn't pleasurable like it once was.
Curious where this BAT bids to, the price is already up there with lots of time left.
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Here’s mine - it’s still wearing the Supertrapp the first owner slapped on it the day he bought it. I added the second front disk. I don’t use the compression lever, but if you do, they are easy to kick. It’s not quick or fast, but once up to speed on a mountain road it will corner 5mph faster for me than the Commando or big Guzzi.
(https://i.ibb.co/ggFkxt8/E5-EB4-B9-B-5-AC5-44-F9-8100-788-E3-DA1-C5-BE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ggFkxt8)
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Here’s mine - it’s still wearing the Supertrapp the first owner slapped on it the day he bought it. I added the second front disk. I don’t use the compression lever, but if you do, they are easy to kick. It’s not quick or fast, but once up to speed on a mountain road it will corner 5mph faster for me than the Commando or big Guzzi.
(https://i.ibb.co/ggFkxt8/E5-EB4-B9-B-5-AC5-44-F9-8100-788-E3-DA1-C5-BE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ggFkxt8)
That's a beauty, :thumb:
Other than the 2nd disc & exhaust identical to mine, minus a few layers of dust and cobwebs mind you,lol. :laugh:
I had an XT as well, never used the decompression on either of them, I usually found them very easy to start.
I've had surgery on my right ankle, pins in & out, I know I only have so many miles on it, I won't tempt fate even thinking about trying to start it.
The guy that had my SR it in his care for 35 yrs, wasn't overly mechanically inclined; so when it wet sumped and the oil level went down, he would top it up, again,,, and again,,, and again. :rolleyes:
I know it wouldn't take much to get it going.
As you say, very sweet handling bike on a tight back road.
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My first new bike was a 1978 black SR 500. Always tricky to start when hot, but a great deal of fun. IIRC, mine cost about $1300 out the door. Dealer was happy to get it off the floor.
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Yeah.. me, too. My Skorpion is a relative.. :thumb:
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Mine is a 1980 model. Have had it since new. Usually put under a thousand miles each year on it. Never heard of an electric starter option. Anyone have information on that?
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I too have always liked that bike and a buddy of mine has a really good one, though converted to cafe racer style. But at 6'1" those were always a little small for me.
Scott
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I too have always liked that bike and a buddy of mine has a really good one, though converted to cafe racer style. But at 6'1" those were always a little small for me.
Scott
The SR is surprisingly roomy in stock setup. I’m 6-2 and fit it just fine. As a cafe probably too confining.
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You have to hand it to Yamaha, for taking a chance on these bikes in the US market. Back in 78’, these SR’s sold slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through molasses. Even after importing them through 1981, they returned in 1986, with the increased displacement SRX6. This one was a more modern iteration of a street single, a little more powerful, but still just a kick starter. Only imported for the one model year though, as they also sold very slowly, even at limited numbers.
Even after those commercial disappointments, Yamaha again brought back an SR, this time in 400CC in 2018.
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Bought mine as a back of the warehouse look what we found for $800 brand new. Never should have given it away.
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Mine is a 1980 model. Have had it since new. Usually put under a thousand miles each year on it. Never heard of an electric starter option. Anyone have information on that?
There's a company in France that does runs of them, quality kit , but it's pricey $2K+
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There's a company in France that does runs of them, quality kit , but it's pricey $2K+
https://nutsandbolts-france.com/?lang=en 1150 Euros.
I sometimes miss my old '77 XT500, then I remember the vibration and marginal front suspension. What I really would like is an XT500 with XT600E engine and front forks. Electric start and counter-balanced. Like this:
(https://i.ibb.co/sQ3s6cN/Motorieep-670-XTE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sQ3s6cN)
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https://nutsandbolts-france.com/?lang=en 1150 Euros.
I sometimes miss my old '77 XT500, then I remember the vibration and marginal front suspension. What I really would like is an XT500 with XT600E engine and front forks. Electric start and counter-balanced. Like this:
(https://i.ibb.co/sQ3s6cN/Motorieep-670-XTE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sQ3s6cN)
Tks for that link Charlie.
That bike is sweet :thumb:
Iirc, there's a hardcore conversion that's been done using the Yamaha 660 engine w electric start, possibly found in bikes in other countries or Yamaha atv's etc idk?
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Tks for that link Charlie.
That bike is sweet :thumb:
Iirc, there's a hardcore conversion that's been done using the Yamaha 660 engine w electric start, possibly found in bikes in other countries or Yamaha atv's etc idk?
The 660 is water-cooled and I'd rather have the simplier 600 in an XT chassis. Used in the Yamaha XTZ660, SZR660 and MuZ/MZ Skorpion 660. From what I've read, the ATV 660 is a bit different.
Next month I am supposed to drive up to Philly to pick this up.
(https://i.ibb.co/J36StCz/Sean-s-MZ-Skorpion-Tour.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J36StCz)
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The 660 is water-cooled and I'd rather have the simplier 600 in an XT chassis. Used in the Yamaha XTZ660, SRX660 and MuZ/MZ Skorpion 660. From what I've read, the ATV 660 is a bit different.
Next month I am supposed to drive up to Philly to pick this up.
(https://i.ibb.co/J36StCz/Sean-s-MZ-Skorpion-Tour.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J36StCz)
The Skorpion is a blast. Love mine. I was surprised that once I got it home and opened it up, it's got screw/locknut adjusters on those 5 valves. It is worth looking up the archived Skorpion group on Facebook, if only for the documents section which includes the owner's manual in PDF form.
Crappy photo of mine:
(https://i.ibb.co/MPP6S2S/Skorpion.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MPP6S2S)
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The Skorpion is a blast. Love mine. I was surprised that once I got it home and opened it up, it's got screw/locknut adjusters on those 5 valves. It is worth looking up the archived Skorpion group on Facebook, if only for the documents section which includes the owner's manual in PDF form.
I've found four different groups but only one in English. Link possibly? I'm a member of the MZRiders.com forum already from my past ownership of the Saxon Country and Silver Star Classic.
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I have a Yamaha XT600 (air cooled) and an MuZ Skorpion (660cc watercooled).
What I would be interested in finding is a Yamaha SZR660. I don't remember if they were ever imported to the US, but I have seen them for sale here occasionally.
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I've always felt If you like the motorcycle enough you'll ride it and enjoy it. Most all of my bikes have had clip-ons. Currently, at my advanced age, I ride 3 two stroke 125cc's - the most fun is an '09 Aprilia RS. It's always been a hoot, plus I can still pick it of, if needed.
R3~
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I've found four different groups but only one in English. Link possibly? I'm a member of the MZRiders.com forum already from my past ownership of the Saxon Country and Silver Star Classic.
MZ Skorpion Appreciation Society. It's not an active page anymore but the files are still good. I downloaded the owner's manual:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/163349670363902/files
The following are general MZ groups, not Skorpion specific; they include a lot of two stroke MZ stuff:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1053646554669338
MZ parts and bikes for sale:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/211607340243424
MZ 4 stroke group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mz660
Best place I found for parts. He even had a new OEM bottom triple tree for me:
https://www.guesi-motorradteile.de/index.php/eng/_/_/_/_/side205b6c87f5e03b0b127b5e3e05d9a5c/?_
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I have a Yamaha XT600 (air cooled) and an MuZ Skorpion (660cc watercooled).
What I would be interested in finding is a Yamaha SZR660. I don't remember if they were ever imported to the US, but I have seen them for sale here occasionally.
A man after my own tastes!
Itmight be just where I live, but a single is a hard bike to beat.
The SR500's were super clean looking & the SRX600's were a nice mix of modernish tech and organic curves.
The SZR660 was never imported into either the US or Canada, to the best of my knowledge. Most of what I know about them I learned from the internet or Practical Sportbikes magazine from the UK.
I suspect if I ever ride one I will be very disappointed based on reviews I have read from the UK.
I suspect a well sorted DR650 would be a much more satisfying ride, even if the SZR is sexier.
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MZ Skorpion Appreciation Society. It's not an active page anymore but the files are still good. I downloaded the owner's manual:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/163349670363902/files
The following are general MZ groups, not Skorpion specific; they include a lot of two stroke MZ stuff:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1053646554669338
MZ parts and bikes for sale:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/211607340243424
MZ 4 stroke group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mz660
Best place I found for parts. He even had a new OEM bottom triple tree for me:
https://www.guesi-motorradteile.de/index.php/eng/_/_/_/_/side205b6c87f5e03b0b127b5e3e05d9a5c/?_
Thanks for the links, but I can't download the manual, all I get is this: "This content isn't available right now
When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted."
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Charlie:
check your PMs
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I suspect if I ever ride one I will be very disappointed based on reviews I have read from the UK.
If it is anything like the Skorpion..and I suspect it is.. you may be surprised. The Skorp on Road Attacks is on another level.
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If it is anything like the Skorpion..and I suspect it is.. you may be surprised. The Skorp on Road Attacks is on another level.
Ought to be on "another level" for $350 a pair! :shocked:
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If it is anything like the Skorpion..and I suspect it is.. you may be surprised. The Skorp on Road Attacks is on another level.
Hopefully, you would be right. Magazine testers are famous for picking knits most riders will never experience.
But since I already own a well sorted DR790, and a 2016 KTM Duke 690 the bar of my expectations is set pretty high. Both are overkill on a twisty road since my testicles have shrunk in my old age..... Then again unique is unique, and I have drooled over the SZR660 (and the Scorpion) since they came out.
It would be an interesting experiment to see which set of keys was reached for most often.
If anyone wants a copy of a neat article from Practical Sportbikes on a highly modified SZR660, send me a PM with your email address, and I will send you a pdf.
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Hopefully, you would be right. Magazine testers are famous for picking knits most riders will never experience.
But since I already own a well sorted DR790, and a 2016 KTM Duke 690 the bar of my expectations is set pretty high. Both are overkill on a twisty road since my testicles have shrunk in my old age..... Then again unique is unique, and I have drooled over the SZR660 (and the Scorpion) since they came out.
It would be an interesting experiment to see which set of keys was reached for most often.
If anyone wants a copy of a neat article from Practical Sportbikes on a highly modified SZR660, send me a PM with your email address, and I will send you a pdf.
Maybe sometime this Summer I'll have my Skorpion, make it roadworthy and will ride it down to a Virginia lunch. You're welcome to ride it if I do.
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Charlie,
The one you are picking up in Pa. will make a nice roadster. The 660 makes good power, and is better suited to hiway riding, than say an SR500. I rode my Skorpion Sport up to the London races many years ago, with several full liter bikes in our group. I had no problem keeping up.
I think you’ll enjoy it.
Maybe sometime this Summer I'll have my Skorpion, make it roadworthy and will ride it down to a Virginia lunch. You're welcome to ride it if I do.
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Maybe sometime this Summer I'll have my Skorpion, make it roadworthy and will ride it down to a Virginia lunch. You're welcome to ride it if I do.
I appreciate that. I'll gladly return the favor. You can pick either or both bikes to try out.
I suspect that just do to economics alone, I would prefer the Scorpion over the SZR. I came really close to buying a Scorpion two or three years ago...... If I had more garage space it would have been a no-brainer purchase!
What prompted you to get the Scorpion? Isn't water cooling a big switch for you? :wink:
I mean a 1990's machine.... what have you done with the real Charlie?
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Slightly off topic, there is a Husaberg FE600E that I have been eyeing in Charlottesville.
270 lbs, 60 HP!!!
but the last time I bought a high performance exotic, I realized it did not really suit my sedate riding style.
Not to mention my short legs are an eternal impediment.....
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Ought to be on "another level" for $350 a pair! :shocked:
I don't care. They will easily last 5 or 6 years out in the SoCal canyons, no more than I get to go out there anymore. Cheap entertainment..
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I don't care. They will easily last 5 or 6 years out in the SoCal canyons, no more than I get to go out there anymore. Cheap entertainment..
Commentary on tire prices always reminds me of this statement from a magazine test of the mind blowing 1998 Yamaha R1:
"The bad news is this motorcycle eats expensive tires. On the other hand, put cheap tires on this bike and it will kill you!"
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What prompted you to get the Scorpion? Isn't water cooling a big switch for you? :wink:
I mean a 1990's machine.... what have you done with the real Charlie?
Well... I hope I don't "jinx" myself, but...
I recently sold my V700 to a gentleman in Philly. He mentioned that with the arrival of the V700 that his MZ Skorpion Tour needed to go. I replied that when he was ready to sell it to let me know. Then he said those magic/fatal words: "you can have it, just come and get it." :shocked: :grin:
I've toyed with getting one before (my friend Joe Gilmore had a very nice one, cheap), I like Yamaha's big singles, water-cooling isn't a concern for me. I rode and maintained my brother's '99 Aprilia Pegaso 650 Cube after all, so it's not like it's new to me. :wink:
I've had a '90s bike before (V10 Centauro) and even 20teens bike ('13 V7 Stone). I like to visit the '90s and onward, I just prefer to "live in" the '70 and '80s. :grin:
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Well... I hope I don't "jinx" myself, but...
I recently sold my V700 to a gentleman in Philly. He mentioned that with the arrival of the V700 that his MZ Skorpion Tour needed to go. I replied that when he was ready to sell it to let me know. Then he said those magic/fatal words: "you can have it, just come and get it." :shocked: :grin:
I've toyed with getting one before (my friend Joe Gilmore had a very nice one, cheap), I like Yamaha's big singles, water-cooling isn't a concern for me. I rode and maintained my brother's '99 Aprilia Pegaso 650 Cube after all, so it's not like it's new to me. :wink:
I've had a '90s bike before (V10 Centauro) and even 20teens bike ('13 V7 Stone). I like to visit the '90s and onward, I just prefer to "live in" the '70 and '80s. :grin:
Never pass up a free bike!!! A great stoke of luck!!
If you decide to sell it, please let me know.
While on the subject of MZ's...
https://www.bikeexif.com/mz-skorpion
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"you can have it, just come and get it." :shocked: :grin:
Well, that's a little less than what it's worth.. :smiley: A guy gave me one, too.. but it didn't have an engine. It was really low mileage, so I cherry picked the good parts and put it on my "MZ in a Pile" I built for the California Canyons. It's a *really* good motorbike, and a shame the company went under.
A face only a Mother can love.. :smiley:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/6f11f4c16917beef/IMG_20211222_135101464_HDR(1).jpg)
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I find them to be rather attractive in a '90s sort of way, only the radiator spoils it. :wink:
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Well, that's a little less than what it's worth.. :smiley: A guy gave me one, too.. but it didn't have an engine. It was really low mileage, so I cherry picked the good parts and put it on my "MZ in a Pile" I built for the California Canyons. It's a *really* good motorbike, and a shame the company went under.
A face only a Mother can love.. :smiley:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/6f11f4c16917beef/IMG_20211222_135101464_HDR(1).jpg)
Chuck, there's no accounting for taste! :wink:
I think those are great looking bikes!!! I've always thought the lines were very clean. Then again, I've never been accused of being sophisticated.
Substitution of an air cooled single engine will solve the radiator aesthetic.
Chuck, is the frame on your bike bonded or welded? The Aprilia RXV/SXV series were the only other bikes I know of that used a bonded frame.
Why should the MZ's be considered to be worth almost nothing? No spare parts available?
I recently viewed an faired MZ 1000 classified. Not that bike was FUGLY!!!!
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I have owned SR400, SR500 and SRX600. All are boring, slow and vibrating crap. Save your money……
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I have owned SR400, SR500 and SRX600. All are boring, slow and vibrating crap. Save your money……
I can’t speak to the 400 or SRX, but Fredric gets two out of three for the 500. It is slow and vibrates. That being said, I can’t think of another Yamaha that got everything so right. I’m going to fire mine up this weekend if the sun stays out.
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Ben,
I think you’ll agree, it’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.
One thing I found, was that, my big street singles were never boring.
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Chuck, is the frame on your bike bonded or welded? The Aprilia RXV/SXV series were the only other bikes I know of that used a bonded frame.
To the best of my knowledge.. bonded. There is a big rivet at the joint though. Maybe some government safety person thought glue wasn't enough? Dunno.
Why should the MZ's be considered to be worth almost nothing? No spare parts available?
That is my guess.. and.. nobody except enthusiasts know what it is. When I was putting the MZ in a Box (tm) together, there were some parts available in England. Found a carb kit in Poland. Since it is a Yamaha 660, you would think drive train parts would be common. Not so much.. but it *is* Yamaha. I haven't needed anything for it in years.
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Chuck, there's no accounting for taste! :wink:
I think those are great looking bikes!!! I've always thought the lines were very clean. Then again, I've never been accused of being sophisticated.
Substitution of an air cooled single engine will solve the radiator aesthetic.
Chuck, is the frame on your bike bonded or welded? The Aprilia RXV/SXV series were the only other bikes I know of that used a bonded frame.
Why should the MZ's be considered to be worth almost nothing? No spare parts available?
I recently viewed an faired MZ 1000 classified. Not that bike was FUGLY!!!!
I rather like the 1000S and would like to own one before I can't ride anymore. That and an Aprilia Futura.
Wikipedia says: "The Skorpion was the result of an international collaboration, being conceived by British design firm Seymour Powell. The Skorpion's engine, electrics and switches came from the Yamaha SZR660, with Italian Grimeca parts including brakes, forks and rear suspension. The strong tubular beam frame was unusual in using aircraft adhesives to save weight but production versions came with a welded frame."
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I remember reading when they were introduced that the frames were welded because the company figured bikers were too conservative to trust bonding.
As Chuck has said before: it ain't no slow revving thumper. If you keep it on the boil, it covers ground at a very good pace and is surprisingly capable on the highway. Light weight bikes are great fun.
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I rather like the 1000S and would like to own one before I can't ride anymore. That and an Aprilia Futura.
Wikipedia says: "The Skorpion was the result of an international collaboration, being conceived by British design firm Seymour Powell. The Skorpion's engine, electrics and switches came from the Yamaha SZR660, with Italian Grimeca parts including brakes, forks and rear suspension. The strong tubular beam frame was unusual in using aircraft adhesives to save weight but production versions came with a welded frame."
I was a bit shocked at the photo of the MZ1000 in the ad. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing a fully faired MZ1000. Almost like a bizarre streamliner. Like you I have always thought that the MZ1000 was a great looking bike. This thing was very strange looking. Maybe an after market fairing or homemade. if I can find the ad, ill post a link.
I saw the same statement on Wikipedia. Based on things I actually know, I have a 50% confidence factor in wiki knowledge regarding things I do not know. Most fascinating when they refer to a four stoke as a two stroke, or a twin as a four cylinder.
I would guess the rivet on Chucks bike is evidence of bonding. Only the shadow knows for sure.
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I rather like the 1000S and would like to own one before I can't ride anymore. That and an Aprilia Futura.
Wikipedia says: "The Skorpion was the result of an international collaboration, being conceived by British design firm Seymour Powell. The Skorpion's engine, electrics and switches came from the Yamaha SZR660, with Italian Grimeca parts including brakes, forks and rear suspension. The strong tubular beam frame was unusual in using aircraft adhesives to save weight but production versions came with a welded frame."
Aprillia Futura is another bike I have lusted after...
Here we go. https://www.smartcycleguide.com/L48273377
front and rear pics are obviously camera distortion. I stand corrected.
Better pics here:https:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mz+1000+pictures&t=h_&pn=1&iax=images&ia=images
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Ben,
I think you’ll agree, it’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.
One thing I found, was that, my big street singles were never boring.
Roger that John.
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Italian Grimeca parts including brakes, forks and rear suspension.
Forks on mine are Paioli. Rear suspension is a mono shock from the SRX, to the best of my knowledge.
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Chuck,
All of the Yamaha SRX bikes that I owned came with a twin rear shock set up.
(https://i.ibb.co/rkGcbrP/71-EABC38-E51-A-48-F7-BA9-C-BE5488-DC72-E7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rkGcbrP)
Forks on mine are Paioli. Rear suspension is a mono shock from the SRX, to the best of my knowledge.
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Chuck,
All of the Yamaha SRX bikes that I owned came with a twin rear shock set up.
(https://i.ibb.co/rkGcbrP/71-EABC38-E51-A-48-F7-BA9-C-BE5488-DC72-E7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rkGcbrP)
Oops, that is what I was told by the previous owner of the MZ in a Box. (tm) :smiley: Definitely a mono shock, but the shock itself isn't Grimeca. Don't remember what it is, though.. the bike is out in Socal, so I can't look. Did Yamaha build a race version of the SRX?
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Oops, that is what I was told by the previous owner of the MZ in a Box. (tm) :smiley: Definitely a mono shock, but the shock itself isn't Grimeca. Don't remember what it is, though.. the bike is out in Socal, so I can't look. Did Yamaha build a race version of the SRX?
This Cycle World article says Paoli forks and Bilstein rear shock.
https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/9/1/muz-skorpion-tour
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To the best of my knowledge.. bonded. There is a big rivet at the joint though. Maybe some government safety person thought glue wasn't enough? Dunno.
To the best of my knowledge.. bonded. There is a big rivet at the joint though. Maybe some government safety person thought glue wasn't enough? Dunno.That is my guess.. and.. nobody except enthusiasts know what it is. When I was putting the MZ in a Box (tm) together, there were some parts available in England. Found a carb kit in Poland. Since it is a Yamaha 660, you would think drive train parts would be common. Not so much.. but it *is* Yamaha. I haven't needed anything for it in years.
That's good to know. Looks like my lack of garage space once again saved me from over paying for a bike. Lack of space is a poor substitute for good judgement, but on occasion it will suffice.
Most of the Scorpions (3 or 4) I have seen for sale were $2500-$4000.
Years ago, I was tasked with designing and assembling a 12 foot long "extension" used to either loosen special bolts or shear them. I choose to bond the big aluminum tube to the custom socket and square drive (1 1/2" IIRC).
The bolts would back out around 1,200 ft-lbs, and if not, about 3,500 ft-lbs would shear the bolt. We torque tested the extension to 6,000 ft-lbs and it worked great. IIRC, it would wrap up a full turn or more under that torque. Kinda spooky in use.
Everybody was happy that it solved the problem of loosening a galled bolt.
There are some really impressive adhesives out there!!!
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This Cycle World article says Paoli forks and Bilstein rear shock.
https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/9/1/muz-skorpion-tour
Hey Charlie,
I've read that the intake manifold from the single carb Yamaha ATV fits the SRX 600 head. It might also fit the 660 head.... one would think.
IIRC, the MZ has two carbs, a single carb might be a very worthwhile simplification.
Filling that radiator with Freon might save a couple pounds...... and maybe gain a horsepower or two due to less pumping losses.... :wink:
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Hey Charlie,
I've read that the intake manifold from the single carb Yamaha ATV fits the SRX 600 head. It might also fit the 660 head.... one would think.
IIRC, the MZ has two carbs, a single carb might be a very worthwhile simplification.
Filling that radiator with Freon might save a couple pounds...... and maybe gain a horsepower or two due to less pumping losses.... :wink:
From what I'm reading, it's a fairly common modification to install a single carburetor in place or the stock "carburetor and a half". I'm not sure what manifold the conversion uses, maybe one from the ATV. The Tour that I'm getting already has the mod done, but includes the original carb as well. I'll likely go back to original - I briefly owned an XT350 with the same setup and it worked well once adjusted properly.
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From what I'm reading, it's a fairly common modification to install a single carburetor in place or the stock "carburetor and a half". I'm not sure what manifold the conversion uses, maybe one from the ATV. The Tour that I'm getting already has the mod done, but includes the original carb as well. I'll likely go back to original - I briefly owned an XT350 with the same setup and it worked well once adjusted properly.
IIRC, the Yamaha dual carb setup was a primary regular carb, and a CV secondary carb.
I had a 1985 XL350R with the dual carb setup (neither were CV IIRC), and putting around on the back roads with my wife on her 1976 KE 175, it was not unusual to get over 110 miles per gallon. It sounds impossible, but it was consistent.
Once I get around to putting a basket case 1986 XL600R together, it has a dual carb setup. Neither is a CV carb. From what I have read, most owners consider the dual carbs as a good setup on the Honda's.
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This is the '94 XT600E carburetor:
(https://i.ibb.co/vwVQfhS/XT600-E-carburetor.png) (https://ibb.co/vwVQfhS)
And people think a Dellorto PHF or PHM is complicated! :grin:
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This is the '94 XT600E carburetor:
(https://i.ibb.co/vwVQfhS/XT600-E-carburetor.png) (https://ibb.co/vwVQfhS)
And people think a Dellorto PHF or PHM is complicated! :grin:
and others think fuel injection is simple!!
it's cool that you have single or dual carb options to play with. sounds like fun tinkering to me!
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Hmm I did probably 30,000 miles on an SRX600 and about 12000 on an SZR660. Toured on both of them, hit the ton on the SRX between Parkes and Orange, and 110 or so on the SZR on the Autobahn. Some very fond memories of both. Very light, easy to throw around, and both sounded great with a fruity pipe. 4 laps of the TT course on the SRX, including Mad Sunday. I was a member of the UK Thumper Club and a few forums on singles. Still love a single. There's a lot more I could say......... :thumb:
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I had two SR 500’s back in the 80’s. The red one was my first bike. Also my first accident came on it. It was sold to a guy who also bought my 912. The second was a black one. I turned it into a cafe bike and ran it for several years. Passed it on to a friend who then gave it to his son. He still has it.
I always missed the bike and eventually replaced it with a cafe bike with a single cylinder. Long live big single cylinder bikes.
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Hmm I did probably 30,000 miles on an SRX600 and about 12000 on an SZR660. Toured on both of them, hit the ton on the SRX between Parkes and Orange, and 110 or so on the SZR on the Autobahn. Some very fond memories of both. Very light, easy to throw around, and both sounded great with a fruity pipe. 4 laps of the TT course on the SRX, including Mad Sunday. I was a member of the UK Thumper Club and a few forums on singles. Still love a single. There's a lot more I could say......... :thumb:
I for one would love to hear more..... especially about the SZR!
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Sold for $5800, plus buyers premium.
Probably a little on the high side, but much cheaper than the cost to restore it to this level.
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Sold for $5800, plus buyers premium.
Probably a little on the high side, but much cheaper than the cost to restore it to this level.
That’s rarified air for an SR.
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But, Ben, everything costs more today :laugh:
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That’s rarified air for an SR.
YES!!! + 5% ($290) Buyers Premium... :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/5j0kHyL/Screen-Shot-2022-03-19-at-6-18-55-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/5j0kHyL)
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I’d rather think of it as a rising tide.
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Since you asked ED, well here is a little more. Like I said, I bought the SZR to replace the SRX of which mone was a poor example. I tried everything under the sun, but it kept blowing cylinder head gaskets....so in the end I sold it for £400. At the time I was a member of th Thumper Club, and used to go to the Thumper Rally in Wales, both sadly no more I think. And I loved the sound of a good single, and had toured on the SRX so for me naturally another thumper could be a replacement. When I looked at the SZR I really loved it, I was made for the bike. It is tiny, but then again at 5 foot 3 so am I. Its very light, and at the time I was yet to experience the Joy Of Guzzi. The test ride revealed that it was heavy on the wrists as the clip on are proper clip ons, but no matter. I knew the 5 valve engine needed revving so I did that and it was more lively than the SRX. I bought it and then rode it between June 2001 and March 2004 - my previous estimate of mileage may have been a bit low - maybe put 20,000 on it? Went to the North West 200, all over the UK, into France and Germany. Carrying stuff was always a problem as the rear end is an odd wasp like shape. So a lot of bungees. I used Gearsack throw overs from Oz that came over with me (Huzo will know the name!). I got a race pipe made - but a LEGAL one so it was 1/3 the weight and fruity but not obnoxious. The make made Supermono race exhausts - knew what he was doing. Going over Salisbury Plain at 4200rpm it came into a sort of resonance and sounded like a low flying Hurricane. :laugh: It handled a lot better than I could ride it, I once showed a loudmouth a clean set of wheels on a road in North Devon that was very twisty but smooth. Rough roads it didnt like. The engine was a modern thumper - you have to rev them, and actually the torque zone is quite narrow. Brakes were pretty good - the single front disk quite big, Brembo caliper. Suspension ok but didn't like the rough. Fit and finish? :shocked: Yeah not all that great but I imagine it could have been looked after better by me - I had no garage at the time it lived on the street in South London. Some panels were not aligned correctly. The swingarm finish came off. This was a 1998 bike, so not that old... I did really love it. Changing oil was a pain compared to the SRX. So was checking the level. It ate chains and sprockets.
The end came after a trip in South Wales where a freind and I swapped bikes. His CB500S was a revelation - so comfortable! You mean you dont have to feel like you have wrestled a troll after a 200 mile day? You are not sore all over? Your legs have feeling? So I started looking for a replacement in a methodical manner, and settled on a Breva750 in 2003 (which I got in 2004) and have been on one ever since.
The SZR had a sad end - 2 weeks after I sold it to a freind an engine problem sidelined it for more than 12 months, then he sold it on. To be honest, if I could have a mint single again (assuming I had somewhere to put it) I would be happy to have an SZR or an SRX, but would lean towards the SRX. I think the look is timeless.
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Thanks Scotty. Good to know there are many who appreciate thinness and light weight outside of the female species.
I agree. Some thing about the lines of the SRX are magical. A bit of tech, and organic curves. Just enough detail to look interesting without anything being over done for nothing but the sake of appearance.
thanks again,
TTFN
Ed
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Another link for MZ Skorpion owners:
https://www.mzriders.com/viewtopic.php?t=606&highlight=interchangeable
some interchangeable parts.
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Another link for MZ Skorpion owners:
https://www.mzriders.com/viewtopic.php?t=606&highlight=interchangeable
some interchangeable parts.
:thumb: Lots of info. for other models, but not much for Skorpions. I've gleaned the best info. from that and started my own. Will add to it once I get started on reviving the one I'm getting.
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Picked up my free Skorpion on Saturday. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/BLN9zK4/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BLN9zK4)
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Bags included, very nice.
That looks like the same metallic green, that was on my 96 Skorpion Sport. IIRC, it a Volkswagen color, Circa early 90’s.
Picked up my free Skorpion on Saturday. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/BLN9zK4/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BLN9zK4)
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Bags included, very nice.
That looks like the same metallic green, that was on my 96 Skorpion Sport. IIRC, it a Volkswagen color, Circe earl 90’s.
Good to know where the color originated since the tank paint is very flaky.
(https://i.ibb.co/FbMjc2r/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FbMjc2r)
(https://i.ibb.co/CJZD0Vb/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-010.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJZD0Vb)
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Picked up my free Skorpion on Saturday. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/BLN9zK4/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BLN9zK4)
Always thought these Skorpions were highly underrated but very competent motorcycles.
Back in 2004-2005, when I lived / worked in Aachen, Germany, I almost bought a brand new 1998 model like this in the crate, but they wanted like 6000 Euros for it, at the time, which I thought was too expensive, so I passed... :rolleyes: :shocked: :thumb: :bow: :wink: It was yellow, like this one...
(https://i.ibb.co/609bKCG/Screen-Shot-2022-04-04-at-10-45-52-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/609bKCG)
(https://i.ibb.co/pyHmMfy/Screen-Shot-2022-04-04-at-10-45-43-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/pyHmMfy)
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Picked up my free Skorpion on Saturday. :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/BLN9zK4/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BLN9zK4)
Nice, Charlie.. :thumb: Tell you what. I'll just double your money if you want to sell it.. :cool:
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Nice, Charlie.. :thumb: Tell you what. I'll just double your money if you want to sell it.. :cool:
The cost is steadily going up. I bought tires today (Conti Motion, same as the ones on it now), and Sir Real Ed has some parts I need. :grin:
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I put about 25k on my 96 Sport model. Only issue, was the Teflon, or plastic chain runner That mounts to the swing arm.
I was able to source one, at about 15 thousand miles. The second one was wearing out when I traded the bike.
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My free one had a like new chain runner.. but no problem if it wears out. I have *lots* of Delrin. :smiley:
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Great bikes. I just wish they had more leg room. That’s why I’m thinking of selling mine and buying a scooter. :shocked:
(https://i.ibb.co/r7PVT9d/9-DBA1687-3094-4-DAD-BC05-A8091-C7-EC24-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r7PVT9d)
(https://i.ibb.co/kDmf6qY/6543-C4-F5-C24-A-48-A1-8-CB3-9-ABB4-A3-F47-DA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDmf6qY)
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My free one had a like new chain runner.. but no problem if it wears out. I have *lots* of Delrin. :smiley:
Yep. Made one for the Cagiva Elefant I refurbed one Winter a few years ago. If one wants to own "weird" bikes, then one occasionally needs to make a few parts. :wink:
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Great bikes. I just wish they had more leg room. That’s why I’m thinking of selling mine and buying a scooter. :shocked:
(https://i.ibb.co/r7PVT9d/9-DBA1687-3094-4-DAD-BC05-A8091-C7-EC24-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r7PVT9d)
(https://i.ibb.co/kDmf6qY/6543-C4-F5-C24-A-48-A1-8-CB3-9-ABB4-A3-F47-DA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDmf6qY)
My riding buddy Mike here in the VOC has a Ducati ST2, a BMW R1150GS, and this MAXI-Scooter - The 650cc Suzuki Burgman Exceutive...it is quite the capable two-wheeler!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/x3GyCht/IMG-3956.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x3GyCht)
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Mouthy Mike (RIP) once told me he had his Burgman up to 160..mph.
Sure... :smiley:
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Good to know where the color originated since the tank paint is very flaky.
(https://i.ibb.co/FbMjc2r/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-009.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FbMjc2r)
(https://i.ibb.co/CJZD0Vb/Mu-Z-Skorpion-660-Tour-010.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CJZD0Vb)
I've been debating inside my head whether to seal the tank with Dragon's Blood prior to painting my gas tank to prevent outgassing from peeling the paint.
Ordered the Dragon's Blood today! Looking at these pics, I think I'm doing the right thing.
Can't really hurt. Just a few more bucks!
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Mouthy Mike (RIP) once told me he had his Burgman up to 160..mph.
Sure... :smiley:
very possible, off a cliff for example.....
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My free one had a like new chain runner.. but no problem if it wears out. I have *lots* of Delrin. :smiley:
I use moly impregnated UHMW.
Wears like Iron!!!!
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The cost is steadily going up. I bought tires today (Conti Motion, same as the ones on it now), and Sir Real Ed has some parts I need. :grin:
I probably should have charged you more... but I believe in Karma. Someday, I'm gonna want people to feel sorry for me too! :wink:
NEW TIRES?!?! I thought you liked to keep the bikes stock! :wink:
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Since Charlie is showing you his, I'll show you mine.
I actually paid money for it (still working off all my old bad Karma, I suspect)!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/CwGHLQp/MZLeft.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CwGHLQp)
(https://i.ibb.co/wwWJ7bP/MZFront.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wwWJ7bP)
(https://i.ibb.co/hVxKWVg/MZRight.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hVxKWVg)
(https://i.ibb.co/d2Ws8zy/MZRear.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d2Ws8zy)
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After a bit of work, my freebie Skorpion is now road-ready! Did it's first 5 miles around the hood today. I think I'm going to like it. :wink: Total expenditure (including driving to Philly to fetch it): $690. Looks great from 10 feet away.
(https://i.ibb.co/fHtbsrM/Skorpion-002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fHtbsrM)
(https://i.ibb.co/YyX9bsh/Skorpion-003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YyX9bsh)
(https://i.ibb.co/mXJMDTv/Skorpion-004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mXJMDTv)
(https://i.ibb.co/RD59gSW/Skorpion-005.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RD59gSW)
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:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :thumb: :bow: :smiley:
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If I squint real hard it looks a little like an old Suzuki GT750 from the port quarter Charlie. I’ll bet it handles much much better. Nice score.
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Mouthy Mike (RIP) once told me he had his Burgman up to 160..mph.
Sure... :smiley:
KPH...only way
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looks good Charlie. not quite a 60's or 70's classic look, but still a classic looking motorcycle.
I saw another one in a shop in Roanoke (not for sale) last week. very clean lines on those bikes!
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Charlie:
Are those Hepco and Becker racks?
I've got the racks but I've never mounted them.
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Charlie:
Are those Hepco and Becker racks?
I've got the racks but I've never mounted them.
Yes, I have the bags to go with them.