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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bobrebos on May 13, 2022, 03:28:27 AM
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Suffered a broken shifter lever while in Tellico Plains Tn three weeks ago while on a trip and now an engine miss, running on one cylinder on this trip to Suches.
Bikes need to be dependable. My 20-0 Honda Goldwing is DEPENDABLE. I’m losing my patience with Moto Guzzi real quickly! I’m blowing off steam because I’m pissed off!!!!
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2013 model is not that old. should be running well for you as long as you keep up on the maintenance. i would not be in the MG world if not for having Cadre close at hand. i hope you solve your problems soon.
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Hi Bob.
I’ve realized that Moto guzzi in itself had been sent to me as a means of furthering my patience level. As well, it has enhanced my mechanical skills as well as my ability to learn from others without being in direct contact with them. In other words over the phone, texting, email, ETC.
try to be patient, your answers will come with time I’m sure.
Dan
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I deff feel you bob, I have been there myself. And as a non mechanic I often wish I just had a 2020 Kawasaki with a warranty and 4 dealers within 50miles...
BUT then I ride one any one of my Guzzi's and remember what made me fall in love to begin with.
I posted a thread like this a little over 18mos ago "Fighting frustration with the brand" after I came out of work on a normal day and hopping on my 'newest, most reliable' Guzzi and finding it wouldnt shift out of/beyond 1st gear. I was madder than a wet hen..
But in the end I got tons of support from the amazing people here and after 2-3 dms with Roper I was able to fix the issue in under 15mins. The bike hasn't missed a beat since!
Give it some time and attention, I bet the folks here can help get you sorted shortly. Maybe start a thread with your specific issue, this is that orange Stelvio, right?
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Bob, been there myself with other brands/bikes. If this opinion is being formed with regard to one Guzzi you’ve owned I’d caution that for sure. If you’ve had bad luck with more than one MG, not sure what to say. As I always say everywhere on this board I’ve owned over 35 bikes and scoots in the last 19 years including Triumphs, KTMs, Ducatis, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha. Eleven or more of those were Guzzis from nearly all the ranges since 2001. I estimate I’ve covered over 100k miles on all those Guzzis combined and probably 120k or more on the other brands combined. The ONLY brand that has never even once left me stranded is/was the Guzzis.
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I deff feel you bob, I have been there myself. And as a non mechanic I often wish I just had a 2020 Kawasaki with a warranty and 4 dealers within 50miles...
BUT then I ride one any one of my Guzzi's and remember what made me fall in love to begin with.
I posted a thread like this a little over 18mos ago "Fighting frustration with the brand" after I came out of work on a normal day and hopping on my 'newest, most reliable' Guzzi and finding it wouldnt shift out of/beyond 1st gear. I was madder than a wet hen..
But in the end I got tons of support from the amazing people here and after 2-3 dms with Roper I was able to fix the issue in under 15mins. The bike hasn't missed a beat since!
Give it some time and attention, I bet the folks here can help get you sorted shortly. Maybe start a thread with your specific issue, this is that orange Stelvio, right?
Yes the 2013 orange Stelvio. I think/hope it was a fuel vapor lock problem. Going to take it for a short ride out of camp today to see how it’s running. Don’t trust it on a long ride this weekend other than a 90 mile ride to get home on Sunday. It did not get wet prior to the missing after a full tank and parked for 45 minutes. Just started it up after the 80 mile ride, after it was turned off/parked with full tank of fuel in hot sun for 45 minutes. Started it up to move it 300 yards and it was only firing on one cylinder. 200 yards later it was firing correctly. Firing correctly this morning too so far.
Can’t turn the key on this thing without wondering what’s going to fail next! I’m pissed
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Hondas are hard to beat for dead on reliability. (well, also Suzuki, Yamaha, and Kawasaki)
But KTMs? My brand new KTM died at 70 miles ... would not start .. had to retrieve with trailer. Then at 1300 miles the clutch slave internal seals gave up and while it would still run, pretty scary trying to ride a bike with no clutch, so that got trailered to dealer too. And 2-3 weeks at the dealer each time. Now the gas tank is leaking at the fuel cap seal.
So my KTM is now a "no more than 100 miles from home" bike! 1.5 years old with 2300 miles on it. Fun bike, but really can't trust it.
Good luck sorting out the Stelvio ... certainly a pain it needs work when you want to ride.
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I will never understand the fascination with KTM... an ugly bike that costs top-of-the-market price, with insane short service intervals, pointless technological complexity, and crap reliability... But their fans sure do love them
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I feel I can sympathize. My first Guzzi never left me stranded. This new v7 850 had me banging my head with a dealer locally who couldn’t fix it. When I took it to Af1 they got right on the issue diagnosed it correctly and I sat waiting for several months for the part. After having the kickstand sensor and fuel relay replaced. Had three separate occasions where it refused to run.
It was frustrating to say the least. But I’m glad it’s back nothing rides like it and I think the platform is reliable. I had my most disappointing bike end up being a Honda. It let me down pretty bad after being gone through by a mechanic and I realized if it has moving parts it will fail so might as well ride what I really like. I have a friend with a shadow and I hate that bike always helping him fix it. I don’t touch Honda as there is bad blood between us.
I had a Kawasaki which also failed badly even with low miles. More electrical issues than I thought possible( to be fair it has sat fit a minute). I walked in after that bought a Harley and had a minor issue with it. Fixed it kept running till I walked into a Moto Guzzi dealer. I came back the next day traded the Harley. Been hooked on Guzzi.
I have a friend with an older Ducati. Yet to have a single problem. I’ve had other friends with Hondas that had massive transmission problems. I bought a royal Enfield for my wife not expecting much and it hands down has been forgive the pun bulletproof…..
I wish you the best. I think Guzzi if you love it is worth the time. Whatever keeps you on two wheels is cool I’d say even if it’s Honda lol
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I've only ever bought 2 new bikes, '87 and '88 Suzuki 750s specifically as track bikes.
Therefore, I'm never disappointed in reliability or warranty service because I can always blame failures on time, decades-old quality, and previous owners.
I put near 15k miles on my Sport-i without concern, then had multiple failures at the same time last year at the Spine Raid and rode 1.5 miles altogether. Those failures are on me and my deferred maintenance.
Given that Guzzi is minuscule compared to the big brands, and surely a lot of components are made in China, I'd expect more warranty on new bikes than I actually see. Talk to any new car owner and see how their Mercedes, BMW, or Ford compare and you'll have some perspective.
All that said, it's always maddening to have a failure, particularly in the warranty period.
For the missing cylinder- I'd check the condition of the fuel injector connections, and coil to the affected cylinder. It could be as simple as a connector that wasn't secured properly.
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A broken shift lever out of the blue without a tip over, sounds bizarre, was it a bad casting or defective linkage?
The complicated wiring on the newer bikes, scares me with my limited skills. I passed up a deal on Stelvio identical to yours, and later read that the guy that bought it had similar issues riding it home to Toronto; I "think" he chased it down to a loose connector on a relay or junction block connectors.
I've read that some of the CARC's were known for crappy plug wires/boot connections that were problematic and should be replaced, is yours one of those models?
I shouldn't say it out loud and tempt fate, but other than a few issues that I caused myself, I've tackled known issues and my guzzis have been stone axe reliable.
I know a change of pace is as good as a holiday, maybe take that simple chopper of yours for a good dose of wind therapy and come back to look at the Stelvio with a fresh set of eyes.
Good luck with it
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I've "dabbled" in what I consider newer Guzzi's, I had a V11 Scura and later a Cal Vin. I never had the confidence in them I have in my '80 CX100 or the '83 LMIII. Better off in someone else's garage.
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I got a 1983 Honda. Two years later, just out of warranty, the cam failed due to a factory defect and Honda was more than happy to sell me all of the parts needed to fix it. Even though they admitted that they had a serious problem with the process that hardened the cams.
Fast forward a few decades. I get a 2009 Stelvio. Years later out of warranty, the flat cams fail. Guzzi provided me with a kit of over $1000 worth of parts to upgrade it to rollers.
Years ago my friend Bob came to one of my Moto Guzzi tech days. Instead of riding his Goldwing, he drove the SUV. As we all sat around and talked about how to do valve adjustments and other maintenance, Bob suddenly stands up and said 'I don't know why you guys all ride these Guzzis that you have to work on all of the time'. Mind you, we were doing maintenance. And the reason Bob did not ride the Goldwing that day? Broken throttle cable. :rolleyes:
The grass is not always greener over there.
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I’m done whining. Il deal with the issue and pack some extra spark plugs. I have one used extra spark plug in my tool kit that should bail me out if needed. Life is good!
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Suffered a broken shifter lever while in Tellico Plains Tn three weeks ago while on a trip and now an engine miss, running on one cylinder on this trip to Suches.
Bikes need to be dependable. My 20-0 Honda Goldwing is DEPENDABLE. I’m losing my patience with Moto Guzzi real quickly! I’m blowing off steam because I’m pissed off!!!!
I know the feeling...My V11 Lemans is on the rack waiting on some relays. I just replaced stator, reg/rect, added high current starter relay & headlight relay harnesses and now I'm replacing all the relays as a preventive measure. In the meantime I've been riding my other junk...wee strom and old eldo.
I took my dependable '08 Wing w/74K miles on it for a 7k trip last July, ran great no issues, as it always has since new. So, yesterday I go out to the garage and figure I'll take it for a spin since it hasn't been ridden in almost 8 monthes. I checked the air, oil & coolant levels, all ok. Of course, it started right up and while I let it idle for a few minutes, I figured I'd check the lights. OK, i've got one burned out tail light...I guess I can't expect more than 14 years out of a bulb these days. Well, I guess I'll take a run over to the Honda dealer for another Stanley tail light bulb since I have nothing better to do. Now that I have all my gear on, I hop on the old Wing, pull in the clutch and there is zero clutch lever pull resistance! Pull & release several times...nothing. There is fluid in the sightglass so I guess I have a master cyl or slave cyl internal leak, so much for being anal and changing fluid every couple years. Anyway, where I was going with all my babble is that I'm glad your Wing is still depandable. mine just dropped a notch on the old dependability chart. And, now I'm reasearching master cyl & slave cyl rebuild/seal kits. :laugh:
Art
PS - You're right "Life is good". And, is it really whinning or bragging? Hey guys, look what I'm up to!
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Maybe a bit far fetched but Cleveland is a nice ride to Hamlin's in CT. When you leave Jim's it'll be perfect and you'll have learned a TON about your bike. You'll have the confidence to ride it anywhere. In the great scheme of things, what's a few days and lovely ride thru southern NY and CT on a Guzzi?
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Who ya talkin' to? Bob or me? We're both in Cleveland....him in Tn., me in Oh! :laugh:
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Never really had much trouble with modern Guzzi's. The 07 Norge has never stranded me except for a battery issue that was my fault. The Daytona has a funky fuel injection system but it runs perfectly fine when warmed up with an occasional hiccup when accelerating out of first gear, but it's nothing terrible and the 03 Rosso never gave me any problems. The three carburetor bikes have various levels of good looking spark plugs. The CX plugs are almost always perfect looking but the LeMans and 1000S have some minor richness issues but they run just fine.
But, if you're going to own a Guzzi it's good to have some basic knowledge of tuning, etc. especially if a dealer is more than an hour away from home.
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I’m done whining. Il deal with the issue and pack some extra spark plugs. Life is good!
You might check the plug wires where they ho into the coils, make sure they haven't unplugged. The air wiggles the wire going through there. I have tied them to the fairing frame on some.
Just think if you had to take all the tuperware off your Honda, OMG.
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I will never understand the fascination with KTM... an ugly bike that costs top-of-the-market price, with insane short service intervals, pointless technological complexity, and crap reliability... But their fans sure do love them
:boozing:
And that’s why they got chocolate and vanilla :thumb: They remain my favorite brand.
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You might check the plug wires where they ho into the coils, make sure they haven't unplugged. The air wiggles the wire going through there. I have tied them to the fairing frame on some.
Just think if you had to take all the tuperware off your Honda, OMG.
Have you done the NGK plug cap swap to your Stelvio?
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Have you done the NGK plug cap swap to your Stelvio?
+1 Bob!?
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You might check the plug wires where they ho into the coils, make sure they haven't unplugged. The air wiggles the wire going through there. I have tied them to the fairing frame on some.
Just think if you had to take all the tuperware off your Honda, OMG.
Steve. I have to take the whole front fairing etc off of the goldwing just to replace the air filter. Pain in the butt. Horrible design!!!
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+1 Bob!?
Yes I did that putting on the new Ngk caps etc 6 years ago!
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Suffered a broken shifter lever while in Tellico Plains Tn three weeks ago while on a trip and now an engine miss, running on one cylinder on this trip to Suches.
Bikes need to be dependable. My 20-0 Honda Goldwing is DEPENDABLE. I’m losing my patience with Moto Guzzi real quickly! I’m blowing off steam because I’m pissed off!!!!
And I'm sure it doesn't return enough MPGs, either.... :boozing:
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after it was turned off/parked with full tank of fuel in hot sun for 45 minutes.
Started it up to move it 300 yards and it was only firing on one cylinder.
200 yards later it was firing correctly. Firing correctly this morning too so far.
I really don't think you have a problem here. Well, other than filling the tank then leaving it to sit in the sun.
Good rule of thumb when it's hot is to fuel at the end of your rest stop or lunch break, rather than at the beginning.
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The flag is posted! And the bike of a thousand breakdowns is running…for now! Life is good!
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And I'm sure it doesn't return enough MPGs, either.... :boozing:
Ok, I guess I deserved that. The MPG is fine….WHEN it’s running!! :bike-037:
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I really don't think you have a problem here. Well, other than filling the tank then leaving it to sit in the sun.
Good rule of thumb when it's hot is to fuel at the end of your rest stop or lunch break, rather than at the beginning.
I agree with this. I had two Harleys that would cut out a half mile down the road after filling the tanks to the brim. Only seemed to do it on hot days. Quit putting every last drop in and never had afterwards. My Audace had a new engine installed at 500 miles before I bought it. I removed the tank shortly after I got it for an accessory addition. I found that the service tech vented the tank to the atmosphere. Maybe he was preventing a future problem, like yours?
kk
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I must admit I have my moments with my Moto Guzzi affair ( lol)
We have are differences, but we make it three the tough times .
For me it’s the good times that get me threw the bad,
I am just a few more miles to have been 50,000 miles that I have put on her.
I certain there are many more to come .
I must also admit I have been looking a. A younger model, I’m sure re she will understand
Lol…
Enjoy the good times brother. Be safe out there.
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I view Guzzi reliability complaints within the context of my first motorcycle: a BSA 650 Lightning. And my second bike was a Norton Commando.
Aside from a failing ignition coil on my Mille GT, it has been dead-nuts reliable. Same for my V11 Sport.
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I've had a few issues myself, but I have to admit that my local dealer was at least half of those issues.
It's all about risk management. Here's one example.......I remember heading out to a rally that was 400 miles away. I hooked the truck to the trailer, put $200 in the center console (for fuel/eats) and texted the location of the truck keys to a couple of friends - in the off chance that I got stranded. I made it there and back without a hitch. And then (the very next morning)
The dreaded flashy triangle and the message "URGENT SERVICE" on the instrument cluster.
https://youtube.com/shorts/blvpi_wjQiE?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/blvpi_wjQiE?feature=share)
Still, I currently own two of them, but I am sometimes wary..... :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
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It’s getting so bad I’m thinking of riding my 2010 Gold Wing to the monthly Guzzi Meet and greet weekends/lunches. Lol. I just can’t depend on the Stelvio much anymore. Took five minutes of turning engine over with start button to get it to start after returning from a 100 mile ride yesterday!!! Geeezzz…
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It’s getting so bad I’m thinking of riding my 2010 Gold Wing to the monthly Guzzi Meet and greet weekends/lunches. Lol. I just can’t depend on the Stelvio much anymore. Took five minutes of turning engine over with start button to get it to start after returning from a 100 mile ride yesterday!!! Geeezzz…
I know there are no guarantees with any of them, but geez I don’t see a lot going wrong with the stinking old Norges like mine.
I’d just get that 2 VPC silver thing, do the essentials and just ride….
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As of right now the Norge is all good again. I just went 700 trouble free miles this weekend, but 2 weeks ago I was seriously thinking about parting it out on Ebay. My buddies tell me to get rid of it now that it's working again, but when it's good, it's good and I really like it.
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two Guzzis 71k/49k. two regulators, two TPS, one oil pump, two rear turn signals, one stator, one pet cock, one fuel leak/airbox removal, one broken side stand switch, tail light sockets, two crunchy gearboxes, one faulty fuse holder (adjusted), several relays (preventive), that's all that comes to mind.
The joy of maintenance is fading.
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two Guzzis 71k/49k. two regulators, two TPS, one oil pump, two rear turn signals, one stator, one pet cock, one fuel leak/airbox removal, one broken side stand switch, tail light sockets, two crunchy gearboxes, one faulty fuse holder (adjusted), several relays (preventive), that's all that comes to mind.
The joy of maintenance is fading.
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I'm almost cured. :cool: Like my timeline says: "I'd rather lube a chain than crab a frame." I'd keep an old Guzzi around if I had the G.A.F. left in me to maintain it. Right now I don't. I ride newer smaller bikes that require very little but a smart charger and a tire gauge.
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I tend to keep my motorcycles for a long time (often 15 years or longer) and because I have multiple bikes, some (like my Guzzis) don't get ridden very often. I also start getting nervous when a bike gets much past the 25,000 mile mark. Not because of reliability issues, but mostly because bikes with "high milage" :rolleyes: can be very hard to sell when I do decide to part with one. There are too many low milage garage queens out there for buyers to chose from. But I've been lucky, it's been a long time since I've been stranded by a mechanical problem on a motorcycle. Couple of dead batteries caught me out recently when I should have known better and changed them. I used to always take long cross-country tours on a big Harley. Was stranded once by a broken coil wire (took longer waiting for the engine to cool down than to fix) and once in Las Vegas by another fried battery. Ugh! Yet I've heard plenty of horror stories of riders being stranded by their Harley and would never own another one. I used to ride with one Harley owner that carried a good 25 lbs worth of wrenches and assorted tools! Now I've moved on to the Bavarian Money Wasters for my cross-country ridings. So far, so good, but plenty of nightmare stories about them as well.
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I will never understand the fascination with KTM... an ugly bike that costs top-of-the-market price, with insane short service intervals, pointless technological complexity, and crap reliability... But their fans sure do love them
You have to ride them to understand them. I equate it to riding a thoroughbred race horse instead of a dead broke rental trail horse.
A whole lot of fun and excitement, but not so great to live with every day.
For me Hondas are the exact opposite.
I will continue to thoroughly enjoy test rides of KTMs, but will never own one.
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I've always thought "brand loyalty" is nothing more than blind faith.
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two Guzzis 71k/49k. two regulators, two TPS, one oil pump, two rear turn signals, one stator, one pet cock, one fuel leak/airbox removal, one broken side stand switch, tail light sockets, two crunchy gearboxes, one faulty fuse holder (adjusted), several relays (preventive), that's all that comes to mind.
The joy of maintenance is fading.
I forgot the fuel pump.
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I'd say brand loyalty is built on experience, not faith. As an example, the Honda Gold Wing has brand loyalty because it has delivered hundreds of thousands of trouble-free miles for many of its owners.
Harley Davidson lost brand loyalty (and almost went out of business) with its unreliable bikes in the 1970's and 80's but built rider loyalty back in the 90's by making a more reliable product.
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Suffered a broken shifter lever while in Tellico Plains Tn three weeks ago while on a trip and now an engine miss, running on one cylinder on this trip to Suches.
Bikes need to be dependable. My 20-0 Honda Goldwing is DEPENDABLE. I’m losing my patience with Moto Guzzi real quickly! I’m blowing off steam because I’m pissed off!!!!
Consider selling it, they usually start running pretty good at that point.
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It's tough when a motorcycle loses your confidence, and with all the options today, its hard to not get jaded and start looking.
I've only been on Guzzi's since 2015, and the experience has been mostly good, but not perfect. With all the talk of Japanese bikes being flawless for reliability, the worst bike I've ever owned for reliability and issues was my 05 FJR 1300. I'm on Guzzi's right now because they are air cooled, and shaft driven, with good chassis dynamics, and brakes.
Heresy I am sure, but while I like the 'character' and feel of a Guzzi, I still long for the sound and power of IL4 motors. Sure, a Guzzi Vtwin at 6-7K is an intoxicating and glorious sound, but having been exclusively on IL4 bikes from 1984 to 2015, I miss the sound and pure power. Problem is there are no more air cooled IL4 motors.
My 07 Griso has been flawless, as has the 14 Stornello. I've only had the 08 1200 Sport for 2 years and have not had an issue. Bob (Ohiorider) was the original owner, and put 70K miles with few real issues other than the dash. I've put another 6K without an issue.
But...... Then there was the 2014 Norge that seemed to have multiple minor issues. First was that the right exhaust cam was off a tooth and though the bike ran, it would not rev over 6K. The original owner never really rode it, and had no idea there was an issue. It was a 14, and I bought in 16 with less than 1100 miles. No idea if it was opened and reassembled wrong, or came from the factory that way. Also had a problem with the oil pressure sender, spark plug caps failing, fuel gauge, windshield motor failing, and the last issue was weeping oil leaks from the grub screws in the head by the exhaust ports. Still, that was less than the issues I had with the FJR over the 8 years I had it. IMO, the flawless Japanese bike is urban legend, and not universal.
Motorcycles are like girlfriends. When the pain outweigh the pleasure, it's time to move on. Only you can answer that. Do the issues outweigh the pleasure? Will you find another bike that will bring the same pleasure KNOWING that there will be issues there as well?
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It's tough when a motorcycle loses your confidence, and with all the options today, its hard to not get jaded and start looking.
Motorcycles are like girlfriends. When the pain outweigh the pleasure, it's time to move on. Only you can answer that. Do the issues outweigh the pleasure? Will you find another bike that will bring the same pleasure KNOWING that there will be issues there as well?
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I mentioned 'a little Frustration 'about our ' V7 III in another thread, but still not willing to give up ,lol.
The '19 Cali 1400 with now 28740 km ,has been a Blast for two up Travel ,and trouble free.
And maybe the V7 III would have been the same if it didnt come with that faulty engine . For that we sold [gave away] a total troubel free VTX 1300 C [shy 78000 km ] . :violent1:
But ,'im finding myself lookinm for an older Guzzi ,even a Norge .
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I've only been on Guzzi's since 2015, and the experience has been mostly good, but not perfect. With all the talk of Japanese bikes being flawless for reliability, the worst bike I've ever owned for reliability and issues was my 05 FJR 1300.
I have several friends that ride the FJR, and ride it hard. I've never known or even heard of one that wasn't completely trouble free. Curious as to what problems you had with yours.
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bobrebos
Hay Bob , I was ready to get rid of my V7II when the clutch was near impossible to pull , come to find out it needed some grease on the push rod ! :rolleyes:
Didn't you have a V7 that did great ?
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I've had a few issues myself, but I have to admit that my local dealer was at least half of those issues.
It's all about risk management. Here's one example.......I remember heading out to a rally that was 400 miles away. I hooked the truck to the trailer, put $200 in the center console (for fuel/eats) and texted the location of the truck keys to a couple of friends - in the off chance that I got stranded. I made it there and back without a hitch. And then (the very next morning)
The dreaded flashy triangle and the message "URGENT SERVICE" on the instrument cluster.
https://youtube.com/shorts/blvpi_wjQiE?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/blvpi_wjQiE?feature=share)
Still, I currently own two of them, but I am sometimes wary..... :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
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Love your Garage Wall. I've been collecting plates for 40 years when I finally retire and get to mount them on my garage wall.
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I have several friends that ride the FJR, and ride it hard. I've never known or even heard of one that wasn't completely trouble free. Curious as to what problems you had with yours.
Mine was an 05, and a 'ticker' Needed valve guides twice. One under warranty, the second time it started making the noise again I would pull the header to see if they were leaking oil. They didn't so I lived with the sound. It also had cooling system issues and needed regular flushing, the shift linkage broke, throttle and fueling was snatchy, it ate batteries, and headlights, and would burn the daylights out of your shins without serious modifications and deflections. It wasn't terrible, and nothing serious, but was the most 'problem prone' bike I ever owned.
I had it 8 years and put 60K if I remember. It was an amazing, fast long distance sport bike and so capable it was boring unless riding at life threatening speeds. It sucked my love of riding out of me. Didn't break 1500 miles my last two years of ownership. In 2015 I threw a leg over an 1100 GRiSO, and was instantly addicted and re-invigorated despite the loss of power and 'spec sheet'. Put on 3K miles in 2 months, and added a Norge.