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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: willowstreetguzziguy on June 08, 2022, 03:08:51 PM
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I had prostate surgery about six weeks ago and have stayed off the Guzzi. I have a 1200 sport with the stock seat. When could I get back to riding? Anyone go through the same experience? Any thoughts?
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I had mine done in early March. I started riding again when I could sit on the bike with no discomfort. It's all in how you feel.
All the best.
Dave
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Just wasn’t sure if my stock seat would put pressure at the wrong area.
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Seek the advice of your doctor would be recommendation👍
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I had robotic surgery to remove my prostate and I was on the bike in six weeks. Not a long ride, but I was riding. It was probably ten weeks before I ventured a hundred miles and that was a bit too far for comfort. Only you can decide how comfortable you are when riding. My doc told me to give it six weeks and then let my body tell me what was comfortable.
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Patient: Doc, it hurts when I do that.
Doc: Then don’t do that.
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I started riding again about 5-6 weeks after prostate removal.
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I had robotic surgery to remove my prostate and I was on the bike in six weeks. Not a long ride, but I was riding. It was probably ten weeks before I ventured a hundred miles and that was a bit too far for comfort. Only you can decide how comfortable you are when riding. My doc told me to give it six weeks and then let my body tell me what was comfortable.
I had prostate and kidney exorcised at the same time. The cutter said 6 weeks if you are feeling ok. Don't get 300 miles away and decide that was a bad idea. :smiley:
6 weeks to the day..
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On that seat?
They were uncomfortable without surgery.
Im impressed.
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Seek the advice of your doctor would be recommendation👍
Shirely there's no way any doctor could match the combined knowledge of the Wild Guzzi Brain Trust!!! :grin:
Let Dr. Prostate be your guide. :wink:
He might not say much, but his opinion will be very difficult to ignore.
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After my surgery it was about 5 weeks when I sat on the bike. Body told me 1 more week please. Went for a small ride and felt OK. Slowly increased the length of rides and everything felt good.
Everyone is different....listen to your body!
Jeff
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Radical Prostatectomy.
Conventional Surgery.
I was riding to and from work (40 mi tot) on the 11th day.
I was back up to my 450 mile rides 8 weeks after surgery.
That was 12 years ago.
I was 64.
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Do you mind if I ask you guys...was your prostate removed due to cancer or some other issue?
Once removed do you have to use a bag to collect urine?
I ask because I've had an enlarged prostate for at least the last 10-12 years and am on daily meds to make 'going' easier.
Last year I had a prostate biopsy which luckily for me came back negative.
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^^^^^Yeah, cancer of the prostate and when we did a routine MRI found a kidney about to blow up. Apparently unrelated.. but I used to be elbow deep in what are now known as cancer causing chemicals at GM when I was a pup.
I can pee like a teenager, but some have incontinence issues. Fortunately, I don't.
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Cancer.
Bag for the first 10 days until the urethra healed.
Depends for the first month until alternate muscles could stop the stream.
Since then no problem with stoppage.
......35% chance that erectile function disappears.
I do miss it :cry:
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Cancer.
Bag for the first 10 days until the urethra healed.
Depends for the first month until alternate muscles could stop the stream.
Since then no problem with stoppage.
......35% chance that erectile function disappears.
I do miss it :cry:
Same here except I used pads instead of depends after prostate removal.
Yes, I lost my erection. But dead men don't have them either. I'll take life over death anyday!
It helps a lot that I have a loving and understanding wife and best friend.
And yes I miss it too!!
Jeff
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I had prostate surgery about six weeks ago and have stayed off the Guzzi. I have a 1200 sport with the stock seat. When could I get back to riding? Anyone go through the same experience? Any thoughts?
ride it round the block. If it feels ago, then the next day ride it half a mile, the day after that, one mile and so on. Let your body tell you.
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Since it hasn’t come up, it depends on what sort of surgery was done. Complete removal or a TURP where tissue is removed from benign enlargement. If the latter was it done the conventional way with cutting tools or a laser? I would suggest your doctors opinion but if it was for benign enlargement then waiting a few more weeks may be better to avoid scarring that might require followup treatment.
Pete
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I had 56 radio active seeds put in at the VA Hospital in Seattle 20 years ago in Feb.. My 20 yo wife and dog couldn't sit on my lap as the seeds were active for I can't remember how long. Still some leakage if I'm cutting wood all day with the chain saw.
Dr. Kent Wallner has written 2 books on prostate cancer. No conclusive results as some in their 60's say the hell with surgery and still live 20 years.
Everyone handles pain differently. I had a vascetomy and went out and kick started my panhead Harley and rode 30 miles home on mostly gravel roads.
Good luck with it. Do what you think is best,
Tex
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I opted for the Rezum procedure (steam cleaning) over the TURP surgery last March. (No cancer, just an enlarged prostate that made peeing troublesome.) Up here in the Great White North riding in early spring is not a lot of fun, so I was able to wait until May. No worries, and I ride a pre-rubbermount Sportster.
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Prostate cancer with prostate removed by robotic surgery in 2018. Follow up radiation a year later. I'm at near three years now with PSA at undetectable levels. It doesn't get much better than that. If going to a function where I may be away from restroom facilities I will use a pad just in case. I do have an occasional drip get out if straining or moving a certain way, but I have older friends that say they have that issue and they still have their prostate :grin: I am riding long distances and enjoying life. As far as sex is concerned I have had some success, but things don't always work like they used to. BUT as already stated I am alive and cancer free.
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BUT as already stated I am alive and cancer free.
Yes. There is that. It was caught in a routine PSA test. I have a friend that won't go to a doctor..I told him I'd already be dead if I had that attitude. <shrug> My half brother wouldn't go to a doctor either.. he died at 59.
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Sounds like my experience is a little different. My PSA level was elevated during a normal annual physical and my urology doctor recommended a biopsy. That indicated cancer on one side of the gland, not the other. A bone scan and CAT scan indicated the cancer was isolated to only the prostrate gland. Due to my age (87 at the time) an operation to remove the gland was not an option; only "do nothing" and let it run its' course - or - "focused radiation treatments with hormone shots". I chose the latter. Twenty-eight treatments and four hormone shots later my PSA level is unmeasurable and I'm living a "normal life".
What's that "normal life stuff" mean for an 89 year old?? I'm doing the same physical activities now after all the medical stuff that I did before it happened. I seem to get tired a bit easier -- doctors tell me that could be the hormone shots - or - it could be "that age thing". As far as urine elimination, no leakage but gravity is my friend. I stay away from pain, if possible, so I'll avoid the "pipe enlargement" until absolutely necessary.
As far as an erection, I have to dig into my long term memory for that vision. But, my wife (of 64 years) and I decided a long time ago that we did not want any more children, so that solves that problem.
Unfortunately guys, if we live long enough, there's a high probability we'll have to deal with either a prostrate or colon problem. By the way, the ladies don't get off "Scot-Free" either -- they have their own set of problems they deal with.
My advice -- get regular medical check-ups so you can possibly find out what's happening before it gets really bad. Once something bad is found, get the best medical advice you can and follow it. And, pray a little bit. That may help more than you think.
Ride safe out there.
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Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences, it's much appreciated.
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Sounds like my experience is a little different. My PSA level was elevated during a normal annual physical and my urology doctor recommended a biopsy. That indicated cancer on one side of the gland, not the other. A bone scan and CAT scan indicated the cancer was isolated to only the prostrate gland. Due to my age (87 at the time) an operation to remove the gland was not an option; only "do nothing" and let it run its' course - or - "focused radiation treatments with hormone shots". I chose the latter. Twenty-eight treatments and four hormone shots later my PSA level is unmeasurable and I'm living a "normal life".
What's that "normal life stuff" mean for an 89 year old?? I'm doing the same physical activities now after all the medical stuff that I did before it happened. I seem to get tired a bit easier -- doctors tell me that could be the hormone shots - or - it could be "that age thing". As far as urine elimination, no leakage but gravity is my friend. I stay away from pain, if possible, so I'll avoid the "pipe enlargement" until absolutely necessary.
As far as an erection, I have to dig into my long term memory for that vision. But, my wife (of 64 years) and I decided a long time ago that we did not want any more children, so that solves that problem.
Unfortunately guys, if we live long enough, there's a high probability we'll have to deal with either a prostrate or colon problem. By the way, the ladies don't get off "Scot-Free" either -- they have their own set of problems they deal with.
My advice -- get regular medical check-ups so you can possibly find out what's happening before it gets really bad. Once something bad is found, get the best medical advice you can and follow it. And, pray a little bit. That may help more than you think.
Ride safe out there.
Chuck, thank you so much for sharing your story and life’s experiences on this subject. You have offered some great advice for all of us aging gentlemen here. You are added to my HERO list👍
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Interesting topis as I have friends who have gone through it...Some had life changing issues, some not. Best of luck to all of you....With tongue in cheek, I have a terminal disease, but urination and erection are good to go :grin:
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If you are 50 years of age get your PSA checked. If a history of prostate cancer in your family get a check at 40. It is a simple blood test. There is no reason to die from this Cancer.
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Interesting thread. All opinions appreciated.
My doctor of 30+ years recommends getting your PSA check regularly once you are past 50. Other doctors, and I think even one cancer organization claim there are so many false positives that testing PSA level is a waste of time.
Reminds me of the "eggs are bad for you, eggs are good for you" or the "butter is bad for you, butter is good for you" debates.
Let your conscience be your guide. There are "experts" of every opinion imaginable out there. Kinda like Baskins-Robbins, pick the one you like the best.
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Interesting thread. All opinions appreciated.
My doctor of 30+ years recommends getting your PSA check regularly once you are past 50. Other doctors, and I think even once cancer organization claim there are so many false positives that testing PSA level is a waste of time.
Reminds me of the "eggs are bad for you, eggs are good for you" or the "butter is bad for you, butter is good for you" debates.
Let your conscience be your guide. There are "experts" of every opinion imaginable out there. Kinda like Baskins-Robbins, pick the one you like the best.
Many British doctors are loath to give PSA tests. Their argument is that the tests throw up too many false negatives or false positives, and that PSA stands for "promotes stress and anxiety". But when pressed, a consultant urologist I was talking to conceded that too many men come to him too late for him to make a difference.
I have a number of friends who've been found to have the cancer as the result of the test, and insist on having one every year as part of my annual checkup.
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I've been the luckiest sob, imaginable. Logged big miles from 2 wheelers to 6 axle rigs, while getting a degree; through 11 years of night school - when you had to show up in person!. A fun & very rewarding job, with much travel, is a hoot to recall.
I retired @ 81, always certain I'd catchup to Fred Marsh - (rode motor driven 2 wheelers @ 101, passed @ 104).
On the positive side? Pre-surgery, as a prep for the inevitable, I had the seat of a favorite bike (RS125 'trenched?'), and the cover put back on. I have a hoot with that little stinker and 3 other bikes less than ~ 330#.
Now I'm too busy chasing health related appointments to do anything 'else'. I have a DNR.
Remember the good stuff! Good fortune, R3~
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I had prostate surgery about six weeks ago and have stayed off the Guzzi. I have a 1200 sport with the stock seat. When could I get back to riding? Anyone go through the same experience? Any thoughts?
Assuming your surgery was the Robotic removal of the prostate, like I had back in 2005, You should be pretty much up and running in a couple of weeks, provided that:
You are no longer taking prescription pain relievers (narcotics), the catheter and bag have been removed, and the pain is manageable. Of course, you should not do anything strenuous, like manhandling your bike around. The wound is internal, in this type of surgery, as opposed to the 6" cut below the belly button for an open conventional prostatectomy. So, it would take about 6-8 weeks to heal completely, depending on your general physical shape.
My surgeon had me walk around the ward the day after the surgery, and released me after 2 days. Told me to walk as much as possible even with the catheter and bag in my pants. I walked 2 hours daily for 2 months, and I was actually riding my SP1000 after that.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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4 K test is more effective blood test and no evasive than a biopsy. I have had high PSA for 40 years.
I take the anti cancer drug Albendazol 3 times a year. I buy it in Mexico or Veterinarian supplier. You will not find an American Doctor born and raised in the U.S. that is familiar with Albendazol. Read NIH, WHO and CDC web pages on how it is a cancer treatment.
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If you are 50 years of age get your PSA checked. If a history of prostate cancer in your family get a check at 40. It is a simple blood test.
My understanding is that at this time there is no positive test for prostrate cancer other than the biopsy. The PSA test, particularly if it rises over time, and the digital exam (the finger check), particularly if there are hard spots or an irregular shape/feel, are just "indicators". However, if the indicators are strong enough, then a biopsy should be recommended.
I agree --- it's a simple blood test, just another line of information (like the cholesterol info) from an annual physical blood workup.
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Many British doctors are loath to give PSA tests. Their argument is that the tests throw up too many false negatives or false positives, and that PSA stands for "promotes stress and anxiety". But when pressed, a consultant urologist I was talking to conceded that too many men come to him too late for him to make a difference.
I have a number of friends who've been found to have the cancer as the result of the test, and insist on having one every year as part of my annual checkup.
Yeah. I had a false positive a few years back, so I get mine checked during my annual physical. going in for a re-check in a couple weeks since my PSA was at 10 the last time. A few years back it was higher, 16 IIRC, but the biopsy showed no cancer.
An older friend who died of cancer had numbers between 400 and 1200 if I remember correctly.
My doctor believes in checking PSA, but also says that "If a man lives long enough, he will die of prostate cancer."
Women are vastly under represented in the group of people with prostate problems. It's much lower than the 50/50 split one would expect to find....
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My doctor believes in checking PSA, but also says that "If a man lives long enough, he will die of prostate cancer."
My doctor agreed with my take on this, that I will probably die WITH prostate cancer, but not OF it. Always get a second opinion, I guess.
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Yeah. I had a false positive a few years back, so I get mine checked during my annual physical. going in for a re-check in a couple weeks since my PSA was at 10 the last time. A few years back it was higher, 16 IIRC, but the biopsy showed no cancer.
An older friend who died of cancer had numbers between 400 and 1200 if I remember correctly.
My doctor believes in checking PSA, but also says that "If a man lives long enough, he will die of prostate cancer."
Women are vastly under represented in the group of people with prostate problems. It's much lower than the 50/50 split one would expect to find....
A single PSA blood test result is just a snapshot in time; what matters is the 'doubling velocity" of the PSA level. This means that the PSA test should be done several times during the course of one year to see if it is trending higher. If, after checking it at least 3-4 times in a year, the PSA level doubles, from a normal of < 4.0 to twice that value, or 75% higher than the first one, then the probability of cancer is substantial, and an ultra sound-guided biopsy is a reasonable thing to do.
This is what happened to me, after 4 tests. I had a biopsy, and sure enough, cancer was detected in 5% of the gland.
Now, before submitting a blood sample for PSA, any activity that stimulates the prostate in producing more PSA should be avoided; this includes sexual activity, horse riding, bicycle and motorcycle riding for at least 72 hours.
My first PSA test was requested by a female doctor who did the finger probe before the PSA test. This resulted in a 4.5 PSA level, which triggered my skepticism of its validity. Needless to say, I never went back to her. After leaving her office, my "doubling velocity" consisted of riding my Guzzi home twice as fast!
And, BTW, women don't have a prostate and produce no PSA. They don't get prostate cancer; however, breast cancer is very similar to prostate cancer, and women are more likely to get breast cancer if their father has had prostate cancer.
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...Needless to say, I never went back to her....
And, BTW, women don't have a prostate and produce no PSA. They don't get prostate cancer; however, breast cancer is very similar to prostate cancer, and women are more likely to get breast cancer if their father has had prostate cancer.
On the other hand, women do tend to have thinner fingers.
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On the other hand, women do tend to have thinner fingers.
...but they are more often wearing rings (or wristwatches). :evil:
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...but they are more often wearing rings (or wristwatches). :evil:
Also, the majority of Urologists are men, not women. Urologists cater to the urological health needs of BOTH men and women. Women have their reproductive system taken care of by OBG/GYN doctors, which are, often, men.
So, I see that women tend to have the upper hand in their uro-genitary health compared to men.
Unfortunately, many of us guys tend to neglect or downplay the importance of our urinary and reproductive health due to a macho attitude.
After the initial scare of the possibility of having cancer at age 51, I did deep research into this subject by reading books and medical journals. I wanted to get smart on this and become empowered in guiding my urologists in working with me. This resulted in me firing 3 of them before having confidence in the chief of urology at the UAB Birmingham.
After 17 years since I was diagnosed and treated for prostate cancer, I have been cancer-free.
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ultra sound-guided biopsy
I had many negative biopsies. Still had steadily increasing PSA, though, and that test was the one that found Geason 7. It was less than pleasant :smiley: especially when the machine broke down in the middle and it took much longer than normal.
Probably a little DeOxit would have fixed that stupid machine..
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And, BTW, women don't have a prostate and produce no PSA. They don't get prostate cancer; however, breast cancer is very similar to prostate cancer, and women are more likely to get breast cancer if their father has had prostate cancer.
Women do produce PSA in their breast tissue. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10234897/
"PSA has been shown to be expressed in many forms of female tissues. The breast is a major female organ able to produce PSA. PSA is detected in both normal and abnormal breast tissues, as well as in various breast fluids including milk, nipple aspirate, and cyst fluid. Androgens and progesterones, via their receptors, regulate the production of PSA in breast tissue."
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I was diagnosed age 53 with 10% of one stick positive with Gleason 3+4= 7 in 2001.
I was told by 4 urologists to have it out immediately. One even said if I waited I would die in 5 years. All po-po the idea of radiation or vigilant watching. I believed then and I still believe that P.C is over diagnosed and over treated. At least today's standards now lean towards considering a Gleason 6 as not PC whereas in 2001 they treated all G-6 as cancer. I consulted with an oncologist who was a survivor himself of very aggressive PC and also saw only men with PC. I had further evaluation by an MD who specialized in using Color Doppler ultrasound back in 2002 which gave a much improved picture of the prostate than the standard black and white ultra sound used at that time. He said he would not even have biopsied me with a PSA of 4.3 because I had such a large gland. None the less I did come to him with a biopsy that revealed a small amount on cancer in one median lobe. Today's diagnostic tools are far far more advanced than I experienced in 2001.
That said I proceeded on a program on vigilante surveillance of my prostate which included blood work every 3 months and yearly exams by the oncologist and further exams by the color doppler. 6 years after diagnosed in 2007 my already large BHP prostate continued continued to enlarge(I was up 6x per night) but the color doppler now revealed a small localized area on my median lobe. My digital exam was negative.
My PSA had continued to rise with a slow doubling time but it was now time for treatment. In June of 2007 I began an 18 month program of using high doses of estradiol (E2) synthetic estrogen patches used to bring my levels of testosterone to castrate levels. In a matter of months by PSA was 0.44 and still dropping. At the 12 month mark my very large gland has shrunk from 110 ccs to 75ccs. June 2008 I went to Dattoli cancer center in Sarasota Fl who at that time treated only PC. I had 47 treatments of IMRT external beam radiation which included radiating all my abdominal lymph nodes. Seeds were not an option due to the way my pelvis is shaped. They would have caused EXTREME inflammation that would have severe negative side effects. So by Sept 2008 I completed the IMRT and then had 3 more months of E2 hormone treatment. There is a synergy between suppressing T and using radiation for improved outcomes.
I am now 21 years post diagnosis and 14 years post treatment and my PSA continues to drop slowly. My latest PSA is 0.341. It is not unusual to see some PSA after radiation. I never consider myself cured. I have known men with 20 years of PSA tests of 0.0 and have it recur. As someone said doubling time is extremely important and if I had a fast doubling time when I was diagnosed I would have to have treated it sooner. I am still orgasmic but need some help on getting blood into the boy to get hard. Scar tissue it a problem with reducing erections.
Statistically they still have not decreased all mortality rates with regular PSA testing over not testing. At least now they are offering options of watching certain men vs automatically treating them.
One more thing about doubling time. It is very easy to figure it out. If you start with a PSA of 0.01 which is very low and have a doubling time of 1 month which is very fast then in 12 months you will have a PSA of 20.48 which is trouble. Yet you can start PSA of 2 with a doubling time of 3 years and in 6 years PSA will be 4 which not that bad.
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On the other hand, women do tend to have thinner fingers.
Call me old fashioned, but I'm opposed to women checking my prostate, especially on the first date.....
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I had many negative biopsies. Still had steadily increasing PSA, though, and that test was the one that found Geason 7. It was less than pleasant :smiley: especially when the machine broke down in the middle and it took much longer than normal.
Probably a little DeOxit would have fixed that stupid machine..
Some machines can sense a Moto Guzzi owner a mile away... :wink:
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And, BTW, women don't have a prostate.....
Hopefully, that statement won't upset any of the regulars around here and make extra work for Danny. :wink:
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Now, before submitting a blood sample for PSA, any activity that stimulates the prostate in producing more PSA should be avoided; this includes sexual activity, horse riding, bicycle and motorcycle riding for at least 72 hours.
I almost certain this is where I screwed up the first time. I knew you weren't supposed to choke the chicken while you were in the lobby waiting for the hematologist to take your blood. But 72 hours!!! :clock:
That would be 3 of the longest days of my life! :shocked:
Next PSA test is in 5 days. I gonna try to abstain for 5 days this time.
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Seek the advice of your doctor would be recommendation👍
Could you take the thumb away from your reply Dan…?
There’s a hundred lines and I can’t use one of them… :grin:
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm opposed to women checking my prostate, especially on the first date.....
Ask for two fingers, if she says why…?
Just say you’d like a second opinion.. :wink:
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I almost certain this is where I screwed up the first time. I knew you weren't supposed to choke the chicken while you were in the lobby waiting for the hematologist to take your blood. But 72 hours!!! :clock:
That would be 3 of the longest days of my life! :shocked:
Next PSA test is in 5 days. I gonna try to abstain for 5 days this time.
I agree. It was hard after 3 days. Finally made it in for blood work today. Told the wife to be waiting for me to get home. She was, ask what took so long.
I have been on TRT for 10 years. It works great.
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It was hard after 3 days.
Well that’s a good start… :popcorn:
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Ok gentlemen, let’s remember our members varies.
Thanks
Dan
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Ok gentlemen, let’s remember our members varies.
Thanks
Dan
I’m out……. :bike-037: