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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: moto on June 28, 2022, 07:06:27 PM
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Given that we have a good number of meticulous, and admirable, restorers of Guzzis here, I wonder how this T3 paint inspired by the early 70's V7 Sport goes over.
(https://i.ibb.co/YhfrnTR/Legnano-green-T3-side-view.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhfrnTR)
(https://i.ibb.co/2NR24bG/Legnano-green-T3-gas-tank.png) (https://ibb.co/2NR24bG)
Thanks for voting, and commenting if you like!
Moto
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I like the paint color.
The panniers is what ruins the scheme.
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I like the paint color.
The panniers is what ruins the scheme.
what he said. Nice work!
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I really like the color scheme, and also the driving lights. Not so much the bags, tail light and windscreen.
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I have seen many different shades of this green
This is the V7 Sport in the Moto Guzzi museum in Mandello, original paint
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4GvRyh5/P7200292.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3cDQQXY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/1tqnKKS7/P7200311.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgGZYfc5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SKQfV31T/P7200298.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDb4wnkx)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtjpM75K/P7200317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJN9hR9J)
Also in the museum is this prototype small block engine in a Tonti frame, V7 Sport seat and tank, 850T tool boxes
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT4nCd5h/P7200281.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KqrJFWK)
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egg celent
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I will reserve any specific comments until I see this in person at the Iowa or Wisconsin rally. But generally speaking, I like this total package. Early Tonti's, and T3s' in particular. really speak to me. Very nice!
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That T-3 looks great. I love the paint. I'd ditch the wixoms for a set of krauser bags to complete the look.
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looks great, including the bags
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I particularly find the color pleasing, would love to see it in person. can anyone tell me if the MG decal on side is original to the t3? especially the white stripe and badge, cuz they compliment the paint very well too.
and yes the bags are uggo! although would look better mounted lower maybee in white? matching green would be too much.
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Like the decal on the tank. Breaks up the color field nicely. Better than some of the original pin striping that came on someT3's. The bags could use some prep and fresh paint. Overall, very nice and unique. The old T / T3's "personalize" quite nicely.
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Beats the brown one I had.Nice!
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I like it. Looks more gold to me.
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BELLISSMO! Love the color.
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Dig the color.
Is it close to the V7 sport green in real life?
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I really like those Wixom bags. Anyone know where I might find a pair?
Steve M
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Would DB bags look better? There’s a pair for sale in Mpls on FB.
I don’t know how to tell if they are for loop or Tonti.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/728722301699685/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A2831b341-bf7b-4d89-b84d-ce481bdb0f0d
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Responses to selected comments (except the question of the color of the paint):
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The panniers is what ruins the scheme.
When I first saw this bike rolling up to be purchased by me twenty years ago I was immediately taken by how the Wixom bags follow the curve of the rear fender:
(https://i.ibb.co/6J6P6Cb/JAL-T3-left-quarter.png) (https://ibb.co/6J6P6Cb)
I wouldn't want a set of boxy Krauser or DB bags. Those are for upright tourers, preferably with a Windjammer, not my taste.
By the way, the seat is a repro from MG Cycle and the chromed mufflers are made by Feked, in England.
I really like the color scheme, and also the driving lights. Not so much the bags, tail light and windscreen.
The tail light is from a BMW. I put it on because I couldn't stand the way the T3 original points upward, as though it were aimed at low flying aircraft. I haven't found the BMW item to be all that bright, and will look around for the original T3 one now, and maybe shim it so it is level. The windscreen is a Givi that works very well for my kind of riding, namely, highish speeds through the Driftless Region of Wisconsin. I like it so much I patched it when it cracked somehow, since it was no longer available new. I'll post about the driving lights some time soon.
... can anyone tell me if the MG decal on side is original to the t3? especially the white stripe and badge, cuz they compliment the paint very well too.
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The black/white/red striping is paint, not a decal, applied by a pro. The badge is the metal type used on the T3 and others, a repop from from MG Cycle. The eagle at the front of the black stripe mimics a smaller one that is part of the V7 Sport's decal. It was sold to me as a vintage item, by the "RealDomiRacer," who used to run the original DomiRacer store, I believe.
I really like those Wixom bags. Anyone know where I might find a pair?
Steve M
I have a beat-up extra pair. PM me.
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I'll respond to the color comments later. Thanks to all for your comments, most of them quite complimentary! :shocked:
Moto
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I agree with you regarding the bags. I think they suite the lines and the purpose of the bike perfectly.
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As the owner of a red t3 with Wixom saddlebags, and a green v7 Sport, I think that it looks great!
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Re comments about the color:
I have seen many different shades of this green
This is the V7 Sport in the Moto Guzzi museum in Mandello, original paint
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(https://i.postimg.cc/GtjpM75K/P7200317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJN9hR9J)
Also in the museum is this prototype small block engine in a Tonti frame, V7 Sport seat and tank, 850T tool boxes
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT4nCd5h/P7200281.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KqrJFWK)
I've seen that V7 Sport in person too. I don't think it is an original paint job, even though it looks like the paint was applied over bare metal. The badges are metal, the same model as applied to the later 850-T and T3, while original V7 Sports only had decals on the tank, not metal badges. The decals are listed in the V7 Sport parts book, numbers 14 91 62 01 and 14 91 63 01. Also in the parts book is the "Use Shell Oil" decal at the back of the tank, number 12 91 92 00, so that decal could have been purchased and applied by whoever added the metal badges, presumably as part of a repaint. Even if Guzzi represents this bike as original, I'm dubious because of the badges.
That said, the paint could have come from a genuine can of Legnano Green, for sure. The second bike you show is very similar in color.
I like it. Looks more gold to me.
Dig the color.
Is it close to the V7 sport green in real life?
I don't really know what the original V7 Sport Legnano Green looked like. I've seen many shades on the internet, where unknown lighting and camera settings make everything dubious. This bike is one that I settled on as probably an old original (as was claimed for it, and others):
(https://i.ibb.co/k2yrj77/v7-sport-004-original-paint.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2yrj77)
It looks greener than mine looks, though mine is distinctly green in certain light, as the side cover shows here:
(https://i.ibb.co/thWg2vN/JAL-T3-right-quarter.png) (https://ibb.co/thWg2vN)
The original Legnano Green was the signature color of the Legnano bicycle company in Legnano, Italy, who fielded very successful racing teams with that color on the frames, from the 1920's to the 70's I think. Among bicycle aficionados the ability to reproduce the old color is regarded as either a lost art or a closely held secret of painting wizards. There are plenty of photos of Legnano Green bicycle frames, claimed to be original, on the net. They have more of a yellowish cast. Here's an original example, on a site praising the ability of a painter to recreate the color:
(https://condorino.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/gran_premio_assembly_03_1800p.jpg?w=461&h=614)
Legnano green is yellow enough that it is called "lizard yellow" or "weird metallic lizard yellow" by bicyclists.
I prepared a digital mockup of my paint job with my chosen paint and placed it alongside the putative original V7 Sport I posted above. Looked right. Depending on the light my bike looks distinctly green at times, but I think it misses the mark in the end, though I like it.
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I have had two V7 sports, both 1973 and they had the metal pin secured badges, not decals. I M pretty sure the V7 Sport I. Mandello has original paint.
Very early 2972 bikes had decals.
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That T-3 looks great. I love the paint. I'd ditch the wixoms for a set of krauser bags to complete the look.
I agree with Turin...the paint looks fine...Krauser bags would look nice...but that is a minor detail. :wink:
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I like the color not so much the bags. Not because of the color but because they're hard bags. I prefer removable soft bags so that the whole bike is visible but then again, I have California's for the touring role with hard bags.
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I have had two V7 sports, both 1973 and they had the metal pin secured badges, not decals. I M pretty sure the V7 Sport I. Mandello has original paint.
Very early 2972 bikes had decals.
I suspected you'd have more information about this! Thanks.
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Beautiful. Really places it in time. Nicely done.
I've got two smaller than typical Givi screens as well and really like them (not as old or small as what you have there)
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It will look just fine @ 70MPH. DonG
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It will look just fine @ 70MPH. DonG
Had it up to an indicated 100 mph on a back road yesterday. Looked fine. (Don't tell.) It's a sweet running machine.
Moto
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I have a 73 that has the steel tank badges and according to the V7 sport bible by Ian Falloon the second series 73 from VK13205 - VK13840 all had the steel badge.
my 73 with steel badges.
(https://i.ibb.co/yyd29FZ/IMG-0988.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yyd29FZ)
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It looks good to me and I like the bags. Those are decent bags. In LA. I kept a .44 in the left one that I could access by reaching back, flipping the catch. Mostly water resistant. What were the rpm’s at a hundred? :thumb: :thumb:
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I have a 73 that has the steel tank badges and according to the V7 sport bible by Ian Falloon the second series 73 from VK13205 - VK13840 all had the steel badge.
my 73 with steel badges.
(https://i.ibb.co/yyd29FZ/IMG-0988.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yyd29FZ)
Thanks for this further clarification.
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It looks good to me and I like the bags. Those are decent bags. In LA. I kept a .44 in the left one that I could access by reaching back, flipping the catch. Mostly water resistant. What were the rpm’s at a hundred? :thumb: :thumb:
I didn't look. I just replaced the tachometer with the one from MG Cycle, so I finally have a steady needle and should have looked. I'd be surprised if the real speed worked out to as much as 90.
I don't usually go so fast on what was not a wide open road. Just happened to see I was close to "100" so I goosed it up a bit for a moment. No need to tell you there was plenty left.
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.... What were the rpm’s at a hundred? :thumb: :thumb:
Just went out to check. Looks like 5200 at "100" in top gear. I also took a GPS unit which showed 68 mph when the speedometer was reading 80.
Together, they suggest about 85 actual mph when the speedometer reads 100. Not surprising.
This is not to forget that these T3's are pretty fast for their day, with a two-way average speed of 116 found in a contemporary test at the MIRA facility in England. I myself used the tachometer and nearby milepost timings to calculate I had achieved 116 115* mph on a one-way run on a deserted Idaho highway, probably with some tail wind, long ago. So 85 is nothing to a T3.
It is probably better for an old fogey like me to think he is going near 100 when he is really going 85. Time makes me forget just how pitiful these old Veglias really are.
I wish I had a means of correcting that speedometer.
*[EDIT] I checked my log --the calculations worked out to 115.
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I appreciate the scientific approach! On Tkelly’s T3 (that you’ve ridden) the speedo was fairly accurate at lower speeds. Never tested at the ton though…
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Moto, I have to say I love your bike and the way it has evolved. I have been starting almost every day with a look at the images you have posted. Kinda like a warm sunrise, it puts a smile on my face!
Steve M
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Moto, I have to say I love your bike and the way it has evolved. I have been starting almost every day with a look at the images you have posted. Kinda like a warm sunrise, it puts a smile on my face!
Steve M
Steve,
Wow! Thanks, you've made my day. In appreciation, here's another view, the last of my little photo shoot the other day:
(https://i.ibb.co/TqjXZ7q/JAL-T3-cockpit.png) (https://ibb.co/TqjXZ7q)
Hope you enjoy it too.
Best wishes, John/Moto