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Title: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 13, 2023, 05:08:56 PM
Hello everyone,
 I've got a problem with my Eldo. It doesn't want to go with small throttle setting. I have to rev it some to get it to go. While going down the road it feels like it is missing ever so often. When coming to a stop it spits and bangs out the exhaust. It will set and idle all day, but it seems like its struggling on acceleration, unless I wack it full throttle.  Changed the jets, one float both float needles. New Condenser,plugs wires. Had the carbs apart. R&R them.
 New points. Clean gas, new gas filters.?? Also compression is 180 -190
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: ray bear on February 13, 2023, 08:43:40 PM
manifold leak ?  but if the problem is on both cylinders would be a long shot , distributor advance ..  :popcorn:
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Post by: adaven on February 13, 2023, 09:41:48 PM
Tach? Check the timing, make sure lower pulley is on right?
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Post by: Fontain25 on February 13, 2023, 10:03:32 PM
What plug wires did you use? Needs copper core wires.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: bigbikerrick on February 13, 2023, 11:11:17 PM
My Eldo did the same thing when the  original coil was failing. Replaced with a Pertronix coil ,and it took care of it.
Rick D.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: Andrew Doyle on February 13, 2023, 11:43:10 PM
This is just a small problem.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: nc43bsa on February 14, 2023, 02:09:09 AM
My Mille had most of those symptoms.

It was a bad coil.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 14, 2023, 11:29:52 AM
Ill swap the coil. did a test on it and it showed 5 ohm resistance
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Post by: John A on February 14, 2023, 12:32:46 PM
Heat it up with a heat gun/hair dryer and test it as well.
Plug caps?
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 14, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Swapped coil, no difference. Seems to be running lean, I have one sloppy slide. Ill try to find a new one
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Post by: AJ Huff on February 14, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
Had a similar problem once on my Ambo. Had leaks where the exhaust slides on to the manifold.

-AJ
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: Cam3512 on February 15, 2023, 07:12:38 AM
Are your wires seated fully in the distributed cap?
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Post by: guzzisteve on February 15, 2023, 10:12:17 AM
Swapped coil, no difference. Seems to be running lean, I have one sloppy slide. Ill try to find a new one
If the carbs are way out of sync, like 1/4" on one slide cable IT WILL act like you describe. Stick a small ruler or feeler gauge on edge down the bore next to needle then adjust cables to equal. If you run out of adjustment you can adjust splitter under tank or buy new cables.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: MattP on February 15, 2023, 12:23:06 PM
could be the condenser
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Post by: Kiwi_Roy on February 15, 2023, 06:18:00 PM
Many of the threads seem to be looking for a specific response, however if you just click on Reply it allows you to type anything in response, anything is better than nothing I reckon
Sometimes spark cutting out can be the result of too much resistance in the high tension lead, try replacing the leads
Some bikes come from the factory with that roten carbon  HT leads, get some copper core type and see if that helps
measure resistance from the cap to chassis, should be about 5,000 -  9,000 Ohms, carbon core type can show infinite resistance.
Replace any coil, condensers points. switches etc. with another, sooner or later it will go
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: John A on February 15, 2023, 06:46:25 PM
could be the condenser





This ^^^^^^^
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Post by: nc43bsa on February 15, 2023, 07:47:39 PM
Wasn't there a thread on defective new condensers?
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Post by: larrys on February 16, 2023, 08:01:27 AM
Smells like it could be a condenser, too. Do the points look burnt? A bad condenser causes the points to arc more.
Larry
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 16, 2023, 12:38:04 PM
Well folks,
 It looks like she's running lean. Havent checked the petcocks, or venting of the tank cap. I guess it's possible the petcock rubbers are getting old
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: MattP on February 16, 2023, 06:45:56 PM
did you try a new condenser? yet?
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 20, 2023, 10:51:25 AM
Yep,
 Replaced the condenser, plug wires( copper core), points look ok. Should be getting a slide soon. Made new gaskets for the top of the carbs.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: MattP on February 22, 2023, 04:33:22 PM
Is this how it ran when you got it ? compreshen  test leak down test.   if ok two things left spark at the corect time and fuel .mabey benny and the Jets.
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: mcdammitt on February 23, 2023, 11:57:36 AM
Ran good half the first trip, then started missing and blubbering on the way back.
 Today or tomorrow will check timing
Title: Re: UnHappy Eldo
Post by: adaven on February 23, 2023, 04:54:19 PM
When I got my 73 it ran OK, but didn't want to idle. I put up with it for a while, but within a couple of weeks it was sputtering and popping at all speeds. I was lucky to get it home. When I did some searches here, I found that the tachs were problematic on some eldos. An easy test, I unplugged mine and the sputtering and popping went away:

https://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_tachometer_terminal_connections___wiring_a_tachometer.html

It still wasn't idling, and it was sluggish. I went through the ignition system and checked the timing. What I found was that I could almost get the timing right, but not quite. Guzziology talks about the pulley being installed incorrectly on some that had been apart. Mine was not correct. When I re-installed it I was able to time it and it ran well.

I still had a problem with the springs on the advance mechanism, but that's another story.

These may not be your problems, but I hope these anecdotes help you work your way through the possible solutions. Whatever it is, most likely someone else here has experienced it also. I'm not a good mechanic, but I can often ride in the draft of those here that are.