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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bad Chad on April 17, 2023, 05:32:14 PM
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I love air cooled motors, especially on motorcycles. To me, it just makes sense, it your going to ride a m/c, with the motor just out in the open, then own it! Yes, I know liquid cooled motors are better at making most anything you want to measure, but come on, we are past all that, right? I'm no going to go on here, I just like air cooled bikes, and I'm glad Guzzi hasn't tossed in the towel. Getting off a bike a hearing the "tink, tink, tink" that only air cooling gives, what could be better?
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I'll go next. Like most of us, I have had air cooled and water cooled. Somehow, the air cooled just seem to have more character. Maybe the tink tink thing, I don't really know but I just seem to have fonder memories of my past air cooled bikes.
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Didn’t Guzzi “toss in the towel” with the new V100 Mandello.?
https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/
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..Here ye, here ye !!
Air cooled motors!
Get 'em while they're hot !!
Won't last long !! :cool:
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They had to throw in the towel for Euro emissions. Like said above, "get 'em while they're hot"! No pun intended.
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For me, air cooled, shaft drive and standard seating has been my MC format of choice. Started this in 1984 with my XS1100.
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As much as I love my K75S, the other 4 bikes are air cooled. They are more elemental, more in the spirit of what was.I can leave them for 6 months, turn the key and they are ready to go. Would hate to see them go away like the air cooled Porsches. Might have to pick up a V85TT before they are gone.
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Didn’t Guzzi “toss in the towel” with the new V100 Mandello.?
https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/
As long as they keep the 850 motors in the V7/9/V85 I'd say they havent. So far, they are E5 compliant. Who knows what the future will hold.
I sure would rather our Western Countries put the screws to where the majority of the pollution is actually happening rather than gradually strangling is to death.
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I want my factories to create smog again. And I miss the days when my local paper mill emitted so much pollution into the rivers that even the carp avoided some areas. Those dang regulations making me breathe too easily.
Ah, I love these kinds of posts.
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I sure would rather our Western Countries put the screws to where the majority of the pollution is actually happening rather than gradually strangling is to death.
that pollution is a byproduct of the shit we (westerners) consume.
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"tink, tink, tink", in my misspent youth my Thundering Dummies buddies used to refer to that sound as the "cool down boogie"!
Best tasting beer I ever drank had that as background music. Often around a campfire.
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I’m with Bad Chad. I draw the line at points though. First mod after new fuel lines and a tank cleanse is electronic ignition.
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I rode air cooled bikes from when I started riding in 1971until 1986 when I sold my BMWR90S for the new liquid cooled 1986 BMW K75C and later a ‘93 K75S. Even though I rode the K75’s 27 years, they lacked character and that is what drove me to the Guzzi 1200 Sport 9 1/2 years ago. It has CHARACTER! Love the air cooled engine.
Going to the K75’s, I loved the fuel injection, electronic ignition, and cast wheels. Never had a single problem with those in 27 years of riding them!
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..Here ye, here ye !!
Air cooled motors!
Get 'em while they're hot !!
Won't last long !! :cool:
:bike-037:
HURRY….Last days….!
(Spoken in a speedy and hushed tone….)
“Actual bike may not perform as claimed….” :wink:
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I’m with Bad Chad. I draw the line at points though. First mod after new fuel lines and a tank cleanse is electronic ignition.
It will all reach a critical mass one day Scout, where it won’t matter what we “want”, it just will not be still being produced and the ones remaining will need annual inspection as to whether they still pass ever tightening emission laws.
Your bike will become illegal retrospectively.
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"I love the smell of unburnt hydrocarbons in the morning!" :grin:
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Our present inventory is three air-cooled and three water-cooled motorcycles.
I don't know if we have a preference.
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Electronic cruise control is nice, though - for these old hands.
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Very difficult to see how owning an ICE would ever be illegal, at least here in the United States. Purchasing a new ICE, however, will likely become extremely difficult, at some point.
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Very difficult to see how owning an ICE would ever be illegal, at least here in the United States. Purchasing a new ICE, however, will likely become extremely difficult, at some point.
All that has to happen is that the emission laws become too stringent for the old engines to meet.
Then you can still own a two stroke for instance, but you just can’t start it…
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Very difficult to see how owning an ICE would ever be illegal, at least here in the United States. Purchasing a new ICE, however, will likely become extremely difficult, at some point.
Have to agree, that would be like taking away g**s. Not going to happen.
You can have my air-cooled motor when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
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All that has to happen is that the emission laws become too stringent for the old engines to meet.
Then you can still own a two stroke for instance, but you just can’t start it…
That's not how it works in the US.
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Nobody has mentioned the sort of hybrid air/oil cooling used on later model BMW twins & earlier Suzuki fours . IMHO a decent compromise. Flood the head with oil from a low pressure pump high in the sump & lube the spinning bits w/a high pressure pump lower in the sump . My last Beemer a 1200R w/12 to 1 compression was a great motor . I think a similar system is used on the BMW 1800 cruiser thingey . Just saying
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1400 Guzzis use air/oil cooling. A good system in my opinion. But the 1400's couldn't met Euro 5. I doubt they sold well enough to finance a redesign.
kk
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How bout air cooled electric-----------------------------------------------does that count?
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It works the way the governments want it to work.
When Toyota/Nissan/Mazda etc… decide to invest multi 100’s of billions into the economy to build electric cars, the law makers will see the $$$$’s and I don’t think they will care about an old smoking GT750 Suzuki or any other relic.
The (only just) compliant vehicles of today, will become the now (non compliant) vehicles of yesteryear.
I wonder why Toyota don’t build and market a 6 litre carburetted straight 8 ?
Legislators don’t care about what you “want”, they just say….
“Your **** is now non compliant because the goal posts have shifted…
But you can go and buy one of these…..”
Also Kev.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, the USA is not actually the centre of the universe.
I'm simply saying that to my knowledge, in the US, no law has ever been passed forcing someone to stop using a motor vehicle, especially a classic or antique, based on changing emissions standards.
They only tighten emissions standards for the sale of new models.
Very few states even test emissions on powersports to see if they still comply with the levels to which they were certified new.
Plenty of people still use 2-stroke marine and power sport engines.
Etc.
This isn't about being US centric, it's about explaining what happens HERE to someone who doesn't live HERE.
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Water pumps seemed to have been responsible for more reliably, horsepower and performance gains with the least weight and packing negatives than turbos, more cylinders or high test gas.
There's no tight or wrong answer for what people like.
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I'm simply saying that to my knowledge, in the US, no law has ever been passed forcing someone to stop using a motor vehicle, especially a classic or antique, based on changing emissions standards.
They only tighten emissions standards for the sale of new models.
Very few states even test emissions on powersports to see if they still comply with the levels to which they were certified new.
Plenty of people still use 2-stroke marine and power sport engines.
Etc.
This isn't about being US centric, it's about explaining what happens HERE to someone who doesn't live HERE.
Ok Kev that’s clear.
But the unspoken implication is that, although you cannot build something new that is non compliant, you cannot have something you already own, legislated out of existence retrospectively…
Well yes you can.
For instance our gun laws here in Australia were changed almost overnight, yesterday it’s legal and today it isn’t.
In the case of our vehicles…
You will still be able to own a given vehicle but if you operate it, you are in breach.
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This is a good subject matter gentlemen, loyality to our beloved “air cooled motorcycle motors.
However if this thread is going to remain active and online let’s stay away from the government regulation aspect of the conversation, as we all know where that will end up.
Thanks
PS: there’s nothing sweeter than an ole air cooled V twin, of any brand, on a cool temp night👍
Dan
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I have two 2022 air cooled motorcycles, my Moto Guzzi V85 TT, and my 2022 Kawasaki W800....
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It all comes down to your personal preference. Better or worse is only dependent on the metric applied. Air cooled may stir the souls of us nostalgic old farts , but don't show up at track day with an air cooled dinosaur hoping to to first around the first turn. :evil:
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Ok Kev that’s clear.
But the unspoken implication is that, although you cannot build something new that is non compliant, you cannot have something you already own, legislated out of existence retrospectively…
Well yes you can.
For instance our gun laws here in Australia were changed almost overnight, yesterday it’s legal and today it isn’t.
In the case of our vehicles…
You will still be able to own a given vehicle but if you operate it, you are in breach.
Again, shy of Rush's Red Barchetta and some pretty cheesy movie I barely remember as a kid with Lee Majors (the Google says it was "The Last Chase") there's no precedent for something like that in the US. And though I'm not saying it could never happen, I am saying it seems pretty likely anytime in the near future, or probably most of our lifetimes.
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Plus111 Kev , Glad I'm old !
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I probably would have bought the V85 if it had the same performance that it does and was water cooled. To me, it doesn't really mean much and it is probably just coincidence that my best machines have been air cooled. Of course out of the 20 or so I have had, only 2 were water cooled, so it stands to reason.
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I probably would have bought the V85 if it had the same performance that it does and was water cooled.
Oof. I dunno. I think I would stay clear of a liquid-cooled engine that made less than [(x)cc/10] hp.
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This is a good subject matter gentlemen, loyality to our beloved “air cooled motorcycle motors.
However if this thread is going to remain active and online let’s stay away from the government regulation aspect of the conversation, as we all know where that will end up.
Thanks
PS: there’s nothing sweeter than an ole air cooled V twin, of any brand, on a cool temp night👍
Dan
Ok sorry Dan and others.
I should have known better.
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that pollution is a byproduct of the shit we (westerners) consume.
I get what you are saying and not looking for debate or politics. My point was on the issues of air quality and pollution, the countries we all mostly hail from are already doing very well and I am concerned about continuing constraints and controls (i.e. standards that will bring the end of the air cooled Guzzi) while much of the world goes on unchecked. It is about data.
For those who want data without the debate or controversy. Even has a live real time air quality/pollution index https://www.iqair.com/us/world-air-quality-report
(https://i.ibb.co/FnmXvWx/2023-04-19.png) (https://ibb.co/FnmXvWx)
Just a discussion, not a debate. OK, I'ma gonna walk to work now :cool:
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I think that we should get on our [whatever] cooled motorcycles....
and get pie !
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But the unspoken implication is that, although you cannot build something new that is non compliant, you cannot have something you already own, legislated out of existence retrospectively…
Well yes you can.
For instance our gun laws here in Australia were changed almost overnight, yesterday it’s legal and today it isn’t.
In the case of our vehicles…
You will still be able to own a given vehicle but if you operate it, you are in breach.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, the USA is not actually the centre of the universe.
Very true. Things come and go all the time, due to both the fickleness of public opinion and legislation (rightly or wrongly intended and effective).
Two stroke engines, air cooled engine, Bud Light beer.....
I remember when I had a full head of hair..... and as an old friend says "If my _____ was as stiff as my knees, I'd be a Hell of a Man!"
Huzo is right. the US is not the center of the universe. I am the center of the universe! Easily provable! Anytime I go anywhere, I have to start from where I am!
elementary my dear Watson
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This is a good subject matter gentlemen, loyality to our beloved “air cooled motorcycle motors.
However if this thread is going to remain active and online let’s stay away from the government regulation aspect of the conversation, as we all know where that will end up.
Thanks
PS: there’s nothing sweeter than an ole air cooled V twin, of any brand, on a cool temp night👍
Dan
FIVE-OH!
Let's bounce!
"Book em Dan-O!" :laugh:
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Plus111 Kev , Glad I'm old !
Amen!
I now understand why when I was about 10-14, the older guys 50+ I worked with would talk about how the world was changing and would look at me and say "I'm glad I'm not going to see the changes in the world that he will see."
I read a book about Bigfoot Wallace who was a Texas Ranger about 200 years ago. He left Texas when it got to a point where "you can't hardly ride a horse for more than two days without coming across somebody's fence!"
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Plus111 Kev , Glad I'm old !
I'm glad you're old, too. I mean, I gotta be younger than SOMEONE out on this forum !
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Just a discussion, not a debate. OK, I'ma gonna walk to work now :cool:
all is forgiven if you promise not to use electricity or light any of your whale oil lamps today........
Real men only use steam powered engines that are powered by wood burning fires!
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I'm glad you're old, too. I mean, I gotta be younger than SOMEONE out on this forum !
:boozing:
You're only as old as you feel! :sad:
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I'm glad you're old, too. I mean, I gotta be younger than SOMEONE out on this forum !
:boozing:
I’m just glad that we are all getting old, and can still say it. :thumb:
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Again, shy of Rush's Red Barchetta and some pretty cheesy movie I barely remember as a kid with Lee Majors (the Google says it was "The Last Chase") there's no precedent for something like that in the US. And though I'm not saying it could never happen, I am saying it seems pretty likely anytime in the near future, or probably most of our lifetimes.
Another one: https://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Motorcycle-on-Earth/dp/B0881GSR7X
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I think what we are all saying here is that we prefer simplicity and character, until we want modern performance levels or modern conveniences. Similar to carbureted or fuel injected.
Personally, I prefer my motorcycles to be carbureted and my auto's to be fuel injected.
Water cooling vs. air cooling has nothing to do with all the other design aspects of simplicity or complexity.
That said, it would be nice to have an incredible amount of money to spend on a pet project.
A transverse V-Twin, air cooled, shaft drive, two stroke motorcycle.
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I'm simply saying that to my knowledge, in the US, no law has ever been passed forcing someone to stop using a motor vehicle, especially a classic or antique, based on changing emissions standards.
I do know that at one point in time California did pass such a law. '68 and older you had to buy a green stamp and if '69 or newer you had to make them meet current sniff test.
I don't know if they are still enforcing said laws, but i watch my father fight getting an air pump and cat to work on his MGB only to end up with a car that got worse mileage and had no power to climb a hill..
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Very difficult to see how owning an ICE would ever be illegal, at least here in the United States. Purchasing a new ICE, however, will likely become extremely difficult, at some point.
I'm just quoting myself fo Huzo's sake. If you had read a tiny bit more carefully, you would have understood, I was only speaking of the country I happen to reside in. Other nations do things as they see fit. Just saying, we could have avoided some needless back and fourth on this.
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I'm just quoting myself fo Huzo's sake. If you had read a tiny bit more carefully, you would have understood, I was only speaking of the country I happen to reside in. Other nations do things as they see fit. Just saying, we could have avoided some needless back and fourth on this.
Well it’s never “needless” Chad.
But while we’re talking, it’s “forth..” (I’ll overlook the other missing letters in some of your words).
I’ll read “a tiny bit more carefully”, if you’ll type “a tiny bit more carefully”.
But to quote you from a previous thread.
“If it bugs you, I’ll keep it up..” :wink:
Oh and BTW..
You’ll notice that my first response with this flavour was BEFORE you specified the good ole’ land of the free.
Your initial post was not as specific and come on Chad, you love a bit of “back and fourth”, but not as much when it ends the wrong way.
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That's not how it works in the US.
Also Kev, I did say it WILL reach a critical mass, not it HAS reached a critical mass.
But your comments are on point as usual and ignored any one’s peril.
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No doubt! We could all us a bit more "back and fourth" ( picture my right index finger plunging to and fro through a circle created by my left hand thumb and index finger).
I really wish I was a better speller, but I am what I am. I was diagnosed as youth with a learning disability, that specifically caused me HUGE trouble spelling and working with mathematics. I have over the years, found ways to minimize those short comings, but the spelling one continues to dog me. Even with spell check, I make a lot of mistakes, but (here is an example, I have almost no idea how to spell the following, and it's French!) kay serah, serah, whatever, will be will be. And I'm going to run this through spell check before I post.
And to toss gasoline on he fire, my spell check locks up on Safari 50% of the time, but that's on me, and I need to address that.
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Well it’s never “needless” Chad.
But while we’re talking, it’s “forth..” (I’ll overlook the other missing letters in some of your words).
I’ll read “a tiny bit more carefully”, if you’ll type “a tiny bit more carefully”.
But to quote you from a previous thread.
“If it bugs you, I’ll keep it up..” :wink:
Oh and BTW..
You’ll notice that my first response with this flavour was BEFORE you specified the good ole’ land of the free.
Your initial post was not as specific and come on Chad, you love a bit of “back and fourth”, but not as much when it ends the wrong way.
Personally, I prefer the back and froth conversations!
Person A states an opinion, person B disagrees, and the last person to be frothing at the mouth wins!!
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/froth%20at%20the%20mouth
Then again, I prefer simple rules just like simple motorcycles and simple people. :azn:
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Pictures or it didn't happen, but don't forget to put one of those little black rectangles over your eyes.....
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I rode a Mandello today. Just sayin' .. :evil:
I have to admit that both opinions are 100% true. :wink: Nothing is mutually exclusive. :blank:
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Ok guys, I realize members can’t see what post has been removed so I’ll readdress this once more.
The subject matter of this thread is a great example of good topics for our forum.
So gentlemen, please, leave out post with overtones of a political nature.
Dan
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For smaller displacement, simple, classic, or retro, I don't think you can beat air cooled on the open road. For performance or urban riding with a larger displacement, *modern* water cooled has its advantages. Some early water cooling was trash though, especially paired with larger engines. I have a Ducati 907ie that will try to send you to the hospital if you catch too long of a red light with it.
I have been eyeing a Kawasaki Z900RS SE for quite some time and if it wasn't water cooled I'd have bought it already. It's a fantastic retro bike, but the radiator is an issue for the style of modern classic I'd like to build it into.
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No doubt! We could all us a bit more "back and fourth" ( picture my right index finger plunging to and fro through a circle created by my left hand thumb and index finger).
I really wish I was a better speller, but I am what I am. I was diagnosed as youth with a learning disability, that specifically caused me HUGE trouble spelling and working with mathematics. I have over the years, found ways to minimize those short comings, but the spelling one continues to dog me. Even with spell check, I make a lot of mistakes, but (here is an example, I have almost no idea how to spell the following, and it's French!) kay serah, serah, whatever, will be will be. And I'm going to run this through spell check before I post.
And to toss gasoline on he fire, my spell check locks up on Safari 50% of the time, but that's on me, and I need to address that.
Amen on the dyslexia!
I was in my thirties before I figured out what was going on. Always wondered why I had such trouble with spelling before that. If a was a doctor or a pharmacist, I would have killed a lot of people with my prescriptions.
Bizarre as hell to design a part. Check the drawing and everything is fine. Check it again and convince yourself you drew it as a mirror image. Check it again and find out it is OK after all. Look at it again and convince yourself it is a mirror image of what you intended. Check it again and it is correct.
I actually never, ever design a part wrong, but there were days when I was certain I did for a half hour or so.
Regarding apologies, as a friend says "Never apologize! It just confuses people!"
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I do know that at one point in time California did pass such a law. '68 and older you had to buy a green stamp and if '69 or newer you had to make them meet current sniff test.
I don't know if they are still enforcing said laws, but i watch my father fight getting an air pump and cat to work on his MGB only to end up with a car that got worse mileage and had no power to climb a hill..
That's interesting and I appreciate you making me aware of it.
However the year span quoted made me suspicious that this must have been a long time ago. I mean like maybe a 69 MGB might have been able to pass a 1970 or maybe a 1980 standard test at some point in history but on the technical side it would seem obvious it would NEVER make modern OBD-II or later standards under any circumstances. So that sounds to me like something that was tried and actually abandoned.
Unless I'm missing something (a possibility since I'm not spending a lot of time digging on this), a Google search seems to support that assumption:
Are classic cars exempt from emissions in California?
All vehicles that are model-year 1975 and older do not require a Smog Check.
Frequently Asked Questions: Smog Check Program
ca.gov
https://www.bar.ca.gov › smog-check-program › faq
Search for: Are classic cars exempt from emissions in California?
Does a 20 year old car need emissions in CA?
Smog inspections are required when you register or renew registration for a vehicle in California, but there are some exceptions. Your vehicle does not need a smog inspection if your: Gasoline-powered vehicle is a 1975 year model or older (This includes motorcycles and trailers.)
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/smog-inspections/#:~:text=Smog%20inspections%20are%20required%20when,but%20there%20are%20some%20exceptions.&text=Your%20vehicle%20does%20not%20need,This%20includes%20motorcycles%20and%20trailers.)
I'm trying to walk a respectful line here not discussing politics or taking a position on the merits of a given policy. I'm just just fact checking what is or isn't currently regulation in the US.
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@bad Chad, the whole internet is full of terrible spellers these days, including those of us <cough> who take pride in their grammar while at the same time making proofreading errors every single post/comment. You just happen to have a better excuse than I, ha.
This post is really making me itch for the next USCRA vintage moto event at NH Motor Speedway.
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Ok Kev that’s clear.
But the unspoken implication is that, although you cannot build something new that is non compliant, you cannot have something you already own, legislated out of existence retrospectively…
Well yes you can.
For instance our gun laws here in Australia were changed almost overnight, yesterday it’s legal and today it isn’t.
In the case of our vehicles…
You will still be able to own a given vehicle but if you operate it, you are in breach.
Reminds me of the lyrics to Rush “Red Barchetta”
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"Does a 20 year old car need emissions in CA?
Smog inspections are required when you register or renew registration for a vehicle in California, but there are some exceptions. Your vehicle does not need a smog inspection if your: Gasoline-powered vehicle is a 1975 year model or older (This includes motorcycles and trailers.)"
Or you can move to Floriduh with a newer vehicle than 1975 and create a fog of smoke that will cover the entire roadway without much issue from the authorities. Happened to me twice yesterday at two different locations.
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Motorcycles don't need to undergo smog checks in California. They do need to have the emissions sticker on the bike checked by DMV the first time the bike is registered in the state. I don't know what year it was that the stickers were first placed on bike. My Audace had the stickers on the rear fender in plain sight. I took them off as they were ugly as hell and were crooked to boot. I hope it doesn't create problems for any new owners.
kk
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"Does a 20 year old car need emissions in CA?
Smog inspections are required when you register or renew registration for a vehicle in California, but there are some exceptions. Your vehicle does not need a smog inspection if your: Gasoline-powered vehicle is a 1975 year model or older (This includes motorcycles and trailers.)"
Or you can move to Floriduh with a newer vehicle than 1975 and create a fog of smoke that will cover the entire roadway without much issue from the authorities. Happened to me twice yesterday at two different locations.
If I remember correctly, some of the guys over in the Porsche 912 forums complain that they have to have all the 1976 correct emissions equipment on their cars. 75 and older they were GTG, but 76 has to have the original fuel injection, air pump and catalizer things. They only made the 912E for 1 year 1976 so there are few able to function in CA. With my custom catless exhaust, quad dellorto carbs and NO air pump or emissions equipment I couldn't run mine in CA. I have it on Antique Tennessee Plates for life. For kicks I had the shop that did my 4 wheel alignment do a sniffer test and they said it was running very clean and would pass Washington standards. I also have an 02 sensor in my exhaust system and AFM gauge, and it runs very clean and efficient (for an air cooled carbureted motor)
In many states, anything 25 years old or older and on classic plate registration is exempt from the emissions thing.
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"Does a 20 year old car need emissions in CA?
Smog inspections are required when you register or renew registration for a vehicle in California, but there are some exceptions. Your vehicle does not need a smog inspection if your: Gasoline-powered vehicle is a 1975 year model or older (This includes motorcycles and trailers.)"
Or you can move to Floriduh with a newer vehicle than 1975 and create a fog of smoke that will cover the entire roadway without much issue from the authorities. Happened to me twice yesterday at two different locations.
Maybe you should do a ring job to correct that issue. Be nice to your neighbors. On the other hand those behind you won’t have to worry about mosquitoes.
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Maybe you should do a ring job to correct that issue. Be nice to your neighbors. On the other hand those behind you won’t have to worry about mosquitoes.
These were not my cars, just my fellow neighbors.
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from my last post yesterday to here, I've completely lost the bubble. I have no idea what this is about now.
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from my last post yesterday to here, I've completely lost the bubble. I have no idea what this is about now.
Best I remember it was an intended discussion on the virtues of the attributes of our ole trusted air cooled motorcycle motors.
From there, I can’t advise 🤔
Dan
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OK
AIR COOLED EXAMPLE
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WATER COOLED EXAMPLE
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These were not my cars, just my fellow neighbors.
Ah, so then you don’t have to worry about mosquitoes! Awesome!
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Best I remember it was an intended discussion on the virtues of the attributes of our ole trusted air cooled motorcycle motors.
From there, I can’t advise 🤔
Dan
Up until my previous post that I was referring , yes. After that, no.
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Up until my previous post that I was referring , yes. After that, no.
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Anyway, I think air cooled motors are cool.
Liquid cooling is better than no cooling when it comes to motorcycles, glad we have choices.
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For smaller displacement, simple, classic, or retro, I don't think you can beat air cooled on the open road. For performance or urban riding with a larger displacement, *modern* water cooled has its advantages. Some early water cooling was trash though, especially paired with larger engines. I have a Ducati 907ie that will try to send you to the hospital if you catch too long of a red light with it.
I have been eyeing a Kawasaki Z900RS SE for quite some time and if it wasn't water cooled I'd have bought it already. It's a fantastic retro bike, but the radiator is an issue for the style of modern classic I'd like to build it into.
Enzo. Stop waiting. Knuckle down, buckle down, do it, do it, do it.
I bought a 2019 Kawasaki Z900 RS (new from dealer). I too am a fan of air cooling, but the Kawasaki is just brilliant.
It hasn’t given me any problems whatsoever in the last year and 25K miles.
Heck, I’m even getting used to dealing with drive chains. Seriously, these are fantastic bikes
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I like and appreciate modern stuff but given that I'm old I find myself still interested in old type "things" like, ltractors, and air cooled motorcycles. Of my 7 motorcycles 5 are air cooled (unless the Cali 1400 is considered oil cooled). We'll probably be able to buy water cooled bikes for a good while but not air cooled ones much longer.