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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: adri on January 12, 2024, 12:46:00 PM
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Hey all, hope it's ok I share this here:
Long story short, I bought a stolen (and recovered) 2014 Moto Guzzi V7 with 8,000 miles for $2,000. This video looks at:
1) The aesthetic issues I've tried to overcome
2) The mechanical issues I've had to deal with
3) How much I'm now invested in it & was it worth it?
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/Moto-Guzzi-V7-tank-1024x577.jpg.webp)
Over the course of this video I'll deal with the thief's (ruined) spray paint job
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/Moto-Guzzi-V7-tank-rust-treatment.gif)
Dealing with rust in the tank
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/Cold-starting-a-Moto-Guzzi-V7-1024x576.jpg.webp)
Trying to get the thing to @#$%ing run without cutting out (suspects: fuel pump, filter, and screen)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/Moto-Guzzi-V7-raw-steel-motorcycle-tank-1024x576.jpg.webp)
Trying to pull the dent out of the tank (A+ effort, C+ success)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/Moto-Guzzi-V7-restoration-1024x576.jpg.webp)
Going over what's still needed, and how much I've spent on this thing so far
If you're interested and have nine minutes to kill, please click the link below to watch the video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmJ6IjQkHI
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I'm in...
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I think this may be the only Moto Guzzi ever stolen :wink:
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If 2000$ Canadian is around 1500$ US you got a nice deal and you obviously have the skill to turn it into a great bike.Congratulation s!
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For the cutting out issue. I would think you have already looked at this, but... Were wires messed with for the thief to get it going? Could be as simple botched wiring issues. Damaged key switch not making good contact at all times?
Good luck :thumb:
Tom
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I think this may be the only Moto Guzzi ever stolen :wink:
Not so. Last year I had a Spanish visitor. Loaned him my 87 SPII so that he could commute to the metro station and then San Francisco for a conference. Repeated daily. Came home on the metro late one night and the bike was gone! I had to go down and fetch him and help with the police report. Before we left we drove the perimeter of the circuitous parking lot. BINGO! There's the bike hiding in a remote corner. Whoever stole it tried to hide it so they could pick it up late at night. So,........ we stole it back!!! Stolen TWICE in the same day. Tada! My guest was much relieved. Used it again the next day but parked at a different metro station and used a cable lock.
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
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Patrick...WOW :bow:
Tom
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Excellent video. A heat gun or even just a space heater aimed at your work area may help with some of the cold garage issues. Great catch finding the swollen fuel pump while you were working on the tank, best possible opportunity to address it. Normally I would avoid a stolen, crashed, or crack head borrowed bike like the plague but with your budget challenge that Moto Guzzi seems like a fine contender. Will be staying tuned to see how it does in the ranking. A nice thing about cheap imperfect motorcycles is you have a lot of freedom and extra $ to do what you want with them without worry.
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If 2000$ Canadian is around 1500$ US you got a nice deal and you obviously have the skill to turn it into a great bike.Congratulation s!
Unfortunately all my prices are in USD. The majority of my audience is in the US. Our population in Canada is like 1/10th that of the US, and the number of riders per capita is even more abysmal. So even though I'm in Toronto, Canada, I do everything online in US dollars and convert everything beautiful and metric to freedom miles and absurd fractions.
I don't mind the currency conversion... but the absurd fractions really leaves me 13/182nds irritated.
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For the cutting out issue. I would think you have already looked at this, but... Were wires messed with for the thief to get it going? Could be as simple botched wiring issues. Damaged key switch not making good contact at all times?
Good luck :thumb:
Tom
Turned out to be a fuel pressure issue! My mechanic, Carlo at Moto Moto in Toronto, figured it out by looking at the way the fuel was splashing in the gas tank. That was all he needed to see to know what the problem was. I was impressed.
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Excellent video. A heat gun or even just a space heater aimed at your work area may help with some of the cold garage issues. Great catch finding the swollen fuel pump while you were working on the tank, best possible opportunity to address it. Normally I would avoid a stolen, crashed, or crack head borrowed bike like the plague but with your budget challenge that Moto Guzzi seems like a fine contender. Will be staying tuned to see how it does in the ranking. A nice thing about cheap imperfect motorcycles is you have a lot of freedom and extra $ to do what you want with them without worry.
As a Canadian, I have many space heaters in my garage lol. Propane, oil, electric, I've got em all lol. Unfortunately when I'm shooting video, only one of them is quiet so I turn off the others and brrrrrr it gets cold.
Totally with you on normally avoiding this kind of thing. As a primary motorcycle I wouldn't have gotten it, but, as you can see, I've got a few toys so, there's always something that does run that I can ride. Until the next thing breaks lol.
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Hey all, sorry for the six months between posts.... half of that is my fault. The other half is that everything takes three months to arrive from Italy :violent1: haha.
Backstory: My Moto Guzzi was stolen, abused, recovered, and neglected. But I'm finally done getting it back up to snuff!
Here's a look at the aesthetic mods, fixes, and upgrades I did, along with how we finally figured out the fueling problem that was plaguing this poor V7.
Video here: https://youtu.be/Tg1AnXvH1j0
Note: I still have the old fender in the video, the new one arrived, has been installed, and looks great. Here it is (kinda) pictured with my custom seat cover:
(https://i.ibb.co/hHxh3yv/Moto-Guzzi-V7-custom-seat-by-Moto-K.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHxh3yv)
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I’m surprised it was stolen with the anti theft badge on the tank…!
I always park my Guzzi next to a Chinese bike, it’s safer that way… :popcorn:
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Well, you could have a little fun with that remaining dent by putting something like a Wilie E Coyote decal over it.
GliderJohn
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I like the “make it look bigger” approach of Gerry Cheevers, Boston Bruins goalie
Small scratch, maje it bigger with stitches!! War wounds..
(https://i.ibb.co/3BkgLGx/IMG-1818.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3BkgLGx)
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Another update!
In case anyone was wondering which of the three motorcycles ended up winning the series...
After a full year of owning both the Moto Guzzi V7 750 and Triumph Bonneville 865 (and an Interceptor 650 for half a year), it’s time to review the V7 750 i vs the Bonneville 865 in a head-to-head showdown!
In this video, I look at how these two used retro motorcycles compare:
- in the city
- on the highway / touring
- with reliability and maintenance
- with dealer support and parts availability
And obviously at the end I'll make a decision on which one to keep, which one to sell, and why.
Video here: https://youtu.be/hUj8GxB29O4
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BS spam from someone who isn't an actual member of the community.
No thanks.
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It's neither.
It's a 26 minute video that goes in intensive details comparing two motorcycles.
The level of detail is to the point where I look up and detail the top five most commonly replaced parts for the two motorcycle brands (Guzzi and Triumph), what each one charges cost, and what the wait time is for both, so as to give an accurate average reflection of what an owner of either motorcycle can reasonably expect.
If my videos were just me posting up some pictures and talking about the bikes I rode once, sure. But these are motorcycles I've personally owned for over a year. My content goes really, really deep, to give an owner's perspective... and maybe most importantly a review from an owner who isn't biased towards the vehicle that he purchased... because I own both motorcycles in the comparison.
Please find me another reviewer who goes through the effort of looking up commonly replaced motorcycle part numbers, calling up dealers, and breaking down all of the information so that people can have the best overall sense of the ownership experience they can get online.
I'll wait.
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I'll wait.
8 posts in 3+ years = not an actual member of the community.
Get your hits from people who care.
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Well, you could have a little fun with that remaining dent by putting something like a Wilie E Coyote decal over it.
GliderJohn
:grin: Honestly, I have a sticker that says "Can we fix it? No it's @#$%'ed!" I was thinking of putting over it haha.
Then I found a small business out in Georgia called Dent Pullers. Family owned. Good people. I talked to them a while back about the V7's tank dent. They're confident they can fix it. They even offered to do the work for free in exchange for showing before and after footage on my channel. I would just have to pay for shipping.
I'll be going down south for a few weeks in the winter time, so I think I'll send it then since I wouldn't be able to ride the bike anyway.
This is their channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDjSNBAbmcV7z7hFU-VpZkw
And their website is here: https://dentrepairgeorgia.com/dent-hogs/
You can see some examples of their work on both. Looks really good!
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8 posts in 3+ years = not an actual member of the community.
Get your hits from people who care.
The video got 6,000 views in 6 days before I even posted it here today lol. You think I'm concerned with a handful of more views from a small forum? Bartender, I'll take some of whatever he's drinking! :boozing:
I'm not worried about more views. I'm finishing what I started and sharing my progress for the people who are interested.
Kind reminder - just because you aren't interested, doesn't mean you speak for everyone, and just because someone posts something, doesn't mean they're asking you to watch it.
If you get upset every time someone posts something on the internet that has nothing to do with you, you're going to keep on being upset while the rest of us will keep on having fun sharing the things we're passionate about.
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If you get upset every time someone posts something on the internet that has nothing to do with you, you're going to keep on being upset while the rest of us will keep on having fun sharing the things we're passionate about.
I'm not upset, I'm just not interested in spam.
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I do not want to stir the fire, just quote my late mother: If you cannot say anything nice, it is often better to remain silent.
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I do not want to stir the fire, just quote my late mother: If you cannot say anything nice, it is often better to remain silent.
So, avoid all conflicts and don't express contrary opinions. Great etiquette for a birthday party, but fails in many other areas, even campfire discussions.
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I do not want to stir the fire, just quote my late mother: If you cannot say anything nice, it is often better to remain silent.
Agreed.
Back on topic, I noticed that all the V7 rear tire change videos just show you how to remove the rear wheel, but not replace and balance the tire, so showing people how to do that will probably be my next V7 video.
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Fun videos. I enjoyed them.
You know, there are a lot of us who lurk for years without posting. Who cares if someone posts only a few times in as many years?
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I'm not upset, I'm just not interested in spam.
Did you click on the video and then decide it was spam? Because if not I'm thinking your wife now sleeps in a separate bedroom and you are taking out your frustration on this guy. :popcorn:
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Did you click on the video and then decide it was spam? Because if not I'm thinking your wife now sleeps in a separate bedroom and you are taking out your frustration on this guy. :popcorn:
1. I read his descriptions and I'm not interested in his videos.
2. YouBoober's are monetarily rewarded by clicks. So I'm weighing that motivation for his posting against his altruism to help people with his videos.
3. By most definitions it's spam on a discussion board. I E. An account with little or no use other than to self promote. I called a spade something you dig with and that was it. (Also remember this board has a rather stringent no advertising policy in this section which I would argue this could fall under since the link itself is the revenue generator).
And past my initial objection, I wasn't going to comment anymore. I made my position clear and I would happily move on
But if others want to discuss or debate the position or challenge it, that's fine I'm happy to participate, though I think it's useless.
Most importantly, I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys this type of content, carry on and have fun.
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#1 I've known how to change a tire since I was 8yrs old. Nothing has changed.
The rest I agree w/Kev. & you don't have to care about what I think.
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Fun videos. I enjoyed them.
You know, there are a lot of us who lurk for years without posting. Who cares if someone posts only a few times in as many years?
Thanks very much! It was a labor of love making them so I'm glad people are enjoying them!
On one hand, it was so much work that I'm so happy the series was done.
On the hand I'm super happy because it was a huge learning experience. I was doing/learning a lot of stuff for the first time. I spent a lot of time reading forum threads from 10+ years ago to try to gain insights on these older bikes.
But also, the series got 1,100+ comments! Owners from all parts of the world left me insights into their motorcycles and taught me a ton in the process. That was a really cool experience for me.
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Did you click on the video and then decide it was spam? Because if not I'm thinking your wife now sleeps in a separate bedroom and you are taking out your frustration on this guy. :popcorn:
lol thank you. Someone had to say it. But let's try to be nice to this person... What's that old saying? Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to ignorance.
This person probably doesn't realize that YouTube pays about $4 per 1,000 views. Which means a single view is worth less than half of a penny.
You guys already know that, comparatively speaking, nobody owns a Moto Guzzi V7, versus, say, the top offerings from Harley and the Japanese brands.
No one with half a brain is going to spend tens of hours making videos about Moto Guzzi V7s if their goal is to make money or get a lot of views, when they could put that time and effort towards making the same content on far more popular models and get far greater results. If you're making content on a niche motorcycle that has comparatively no owners, you're doing it out of passion, plain and simple.
That being said, if anyone on this forum has watched one of my videos, and feels that my content isn't loaded with information, please post here for all to see and I will cut up a penny and give you $0.004.
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1. I read his descriptions and I'm not interested in his videos.
2. YouBoober's are monetarily rewarded by clicks. So I'm weighing that motivation for his posting against his altruism to help people with his videos.
3. By most definitions it's spam on a discussion board. I E. An account with little or no use other than to self promote. I called a spade something you dig with and that was it. (Also remember this board has a rather stringent no advertising policy in this section which I would argue this could fall under since the link itself is the revenue generator).
And past my initial objection, I wasn't going to comment anymore. I made my position clear and I would happily move on
But if others want to discuss or debate the position or challenge it, that's fine I'm happy to participate, though I think it's useless.
Most importantly, I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys this type of content, carry on and have fun.
I didn't click on the link because I had no interest which is why I commented on your comment to him. Someone just doing a video is much different than someone using a video to market for a company in my mind.
When people try to be influencers I don't subscribe or watch their videos.
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I just don’t like the vibe—and Kev might agree or not—that you’re giving off by approaching a Guzzi-specific community board FULL of men and women with great knowledge about Guzzis, with tons of threads pointing out academic and empirical knowledge about these Italian machines, coming on here very fresh and immediately soliciting your channel like we should care why people choose Triumphs.
For me, it’s two things—
1) That itself is not fresh content for this avenue. Most Guzzisti on this forum are pretty aware of the exhausting loads of articles and YouTube videos comparing the bikes we own and how to balance a wheel. It’s kinda stale by now, isn’t it? Maybe it hits better on one of those Facebook groups, but this isn’t Facebook. This is where you go to get away from FB and the like to dive deeper into our passion for these bikes (and sometimes other topics for better or worse).
2) Within just a couple posts, you’ve already displayed that you’re primarily here to promote your YouTube channel first. That’s not what these community boards are about. That’s not campfire discussion. That’s not community. That’s ego driving behind the wheel.
Perhaps it’s nuanced or subjective, but if you’re promoting your media channel, I prefer the approach of folks like Nick Adams, a pure Guzzisti and writer with a YouTube channel, who creates content that nobody else does, writes about what he loves, and has been around long enough for us to know that he’s not here to promote himself and then peace out.
So—stick around here, get comfortable, join in around the campfire, and don’t act like we’ve not seen this stuff before ;)
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I didn't click on the link because I had no interest which is why I commented on your comment to him. Someone just doing a video is much different than someone using a video to market for a company in my mind.
When people try to be influencers I don't subscribe or watch their videos.
No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.
I just called him out on his motivations, big difference. See Dirk's post for more nuance, I wasn't going to bother with more of a description as I figured most here would get it without explanation.
Also what's the definition of a company? Because YouBoober's are businesses, and despite what anyone might claim for motivation I don't think many (any?) do it hoping for fewer hits.
Carry on.
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No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.
You've simultaneously made multiple very rude and very personal with attacks on me, my character, and my morals... but when someone made a one-off comment about you, you decide that's not okay? :laugh:
You've shared your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on a topic on the internet here, while at the same time disparaging the OP for sharing his thoughts and feelings on a topic in his own thread?! :grin:
Your hypocrisy is great, but not as great as your irrational witch-hunt mindset. I took my time to explain the back end of how YouTube works for financial and social growth, to educate you on why your concern doesn't make any rational sense whatsoever. You decided reality has no meaning to you, and to completely ignore the context of the content, because it doesn't fit the narrative for me you've created in your head.
I'm holding up a mirror at your behavior. If you actually care about the quality of what goes in this forum and you aren't just trying to belittle someone else to make yourself feel better, maybe you should have a good hard look in that mirror I'm holding up. What you see might make you worry less about what and how other people are sharing in the forum, and start to worry more about what and how you're sharing in the here.
In italian we say brutta figura. If you don't know what it means, look in the mirror.
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Re: People not being interested in a video about tire/wheel changes
You shouldn't watch it then. Don't worry, I'm not expecting anyone to watch and I won't take personal offence if no one does. Heck I didn't even post this last video until a week after it was already out because I didn't think anyone would care about it so it wasn't a big priority. There is a whole lot of internet out there. 99% isn't for me. I'm human too. Don't watch stuff you won't like. That's normal. I get it lol
BUT, if I come across someone who makes baking videos, something that I have no interest in, I'm not going to disparage that person and be all "hey screw you for making baking videos!" lol.
If anything, I'll be happy they're doing that. Someone out there, like my girlfriend, watches and loves those videos. That person probably loves making them. And I'm happy that they're doing it because it can help my girlfriend with something she's passionate about. Everyone wins.
Pic of little miss sweet tooth in the Moto Guzzi museum in Mandello del Lario.
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/sam-at-the-moto-guzzi-museum.jpg)
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You've simultaneously made multiple very rude and very personal with attacks on me, my character, and my morals... but when someone made a one-off comment about you, you decide that's not okay? :laugh:
You've shared your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on a topic on the internet here, while at the same time disparaging the OP for sharing his thoughts and feelings on a topic in his own thread?! :grin:
Your hypocrisy is great, but not as great as your irrational witch-hunt mindset. I took my time to explain the back end of how YouTube works for financial and social growth, to educate you on why your concern doesn't make any rational sense whatsoever. You decided reality has no meaning to you, and to completely ignore the context of the content, because it doesn't fit the narrative for me you've created in your head.
I'm holding up a mirror at your behavior. If you actually care about the quality of what goes in this forum and you aren't just trying to belittle someone else to make yourself feel better, maybe you should have a good hard look in that mirror I'm holding up. What you see might make you worry less about what and how other people are sharing in the forum, and start to worry more about what and how you're sharing in the here.
In italian we say brutta figura. If you don't know what it means, look in the mirror.
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Cry me a river Justin,
I questioned your lack of participation and sincerity towards altruism as motivation for your participation in this site. If you think that's the equivalent of a personal attack suggesting problems with someone's marriage we have nothing to discuss (<---nicest thing I could think of to say).
And please, your morals? :thewife: Drama much.
And hypocrisy? Nope try again. Mirror ha. :rolleyes:
Oh thank you for explaining what didn't need explaining, you can read that as how YouBoob works or how to fix a dent or change a tire.
Dude I've spent two decades helping people with tech problems on this forum. I'm quite comfortable with my contributions. Just because I'm also willing to share thoughts on other members "contributions" (positive or not), or call a spade, a spade, doesn't change that.
How about prove me wrong instead of crying foul?
Stick around, keep sharing, maybe something that a person here asks and needs, not just what you want to produce for self promotion.
And if I'm wrong, I'll say I'm sorry.
We can reconvene in a year or two and discuss progress.
Till then I'm out unless you want to keep dragging me back in.
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Thank God lol
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No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.
I just called him out on his motivations, big difference. See Dirk's post for more nuance, I wasn't going to bother with more of a description as I figured most here would get it without explanation.
Also what's the definition of a company? Because YouBoober's are businesses, and despite what anyone might claim for motivation I don't think many (any?) do it hoping for fewer hits.
Carry on.
Well, you did come across like a guy who is taking out his sexual frustration on others, or just an elitist. Just calling it like I see it. In the spirit of around the campfire I would say this to your face with a smile hoping it was taken in the way it was meant. Stop acting like a donkey's rear end.
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You know, considering all that, it's a wonder we're allowed to post build threads, ads, and other content about Laverdas, Morinis, BMWs, etc.
So what if he compares a V7 to other bikes, and bike articles have done that before??? This is his take and I find his personal experiences interesting.
And we wonder why the younger crowd isn't drawn to Guzzis when a bright young face is treated this way. Shame on us.
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Well, you did come across like a guy who is taking out his sexual frustration on others, or just an elitist. Just calling it like I see it. In the spirit of around the campfire I would say this to your face with a smile hoping it was taken in the way it was meant. Stop acting like a donkey's rear end.
Nah I call bullshit. No way you'd say this to my face. Especially since doubling down on it like you are shows "the way it was meant."
And you say I'm being an ass? But now you've now come at me twice and I've not dropped to your level.
But I'm the elitist, because I don't like spam?
You realize that's all I objected to... Spam and nothing but.
I don't know why you got so butthurt over it? Maybe you're projecting.
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You know, considering all that, it's a wonder we're allowed to post build threads, ads, and other content about Laverdas, Morinis, BMWs, etc.
So what if he compares a V7 to other bikes, and bike articles have done that before??? This is his take and I find his personal experiences interesting.
And we wonder why the younger crowd isn't drawn to Guzzis when a bright young face is treated this way. Shame on us.
To be clear I don't object at all to him posting his personal experiences, his opinions etc. I welcome that. But he hasn't posted it, he posted a link another platform that monetizes traffic. That's my objection.
Welcome and post away, become part of this site, but this is a different format.
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Nah I call bullshit. No way you'd say this to my face. Especially since doubling down on it like you are shows "the way it was meant."
And you say I'm being an ass? But now you've now come at me twice and I've not dropped to your level.
But I'm the elitist, because I don't like spam?
You realize that's all I objected to... Spam and nothing but.
I don't know why you got so butthurt over it? Maybe you're projecting.
I sure would say it to your face because you are being a big baby. Are you prone to violence?
you obviously pretending not to know what spam is, or what marketing for other companies because we all know you are more intelligent than that. This only leaves being on the rag.
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Enough.
Y'all go ride yer geese. We can ALL agree on that! :thumb:
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I sure would say it to your face because you are being a big baby.
you obviously pretending not to know what spam is, or what marketing for other companies because we all know you are more intelligent than that. This only leaves being on the rag.
That's three direct attacks and I've still not retaliated.
Seriously I'm doing my best not to call this spade a female genital cleaning product but you're not helping your own case.
I expressed an opinion, yours differed, you started calling names, but I'M the baby?!?
That's precious.
Hell you could have stopped pooping in the OP's thread a while ago, as I said I was done unless I'm dragged back in. But you can't seem to let me go.
Guess I should be flattered.
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FYI...Keyboard Warrior: Noun (slang) A person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence, instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that they would not be able to give form to in real life. Keyboard Warriors are generally identified by apparent rage in their written communications, as they can't ignore those they disagree with, so deny, defame, and dehumanize others on the internet. They are regarded as 'losers' by their virtual opposition.
Not takin' sides here, just sayin'.
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FYI...Keyboard Warrior: Noun (slang) A person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence, instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that they would not be able to give form to in real life. Keyboard Warriors are generally identified by apparent rage in their written communications, as they can't ignore those they disagree with, so deny, defame, and dehumanize others on the internet. They are regarded as 'losers' by their virtual opposition.
Not takin' sides here, just sayin'.
Don't hold it against TwoWheel, I'm sure he's just having a bad day.
He always seemed like a nice enough guy to me.
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At this point I can't tell if Kev is just being a troll or if he's flat out delusional/disconnected from present day 2024, and, ironically, his conduct brought more attention to this thread than I ever would have.
Either way, I just wanted to say thank you to the people who DM'd me about his behavior and those that posted here about it. I appreciate you guys and thank you for that :bow:
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At this point I can't tell if Kev is just being a troll or if he's flat out delusional/disconnected from present day 2024, and, ironically, his conduct brought more attention to this thread than I ever would have.
Either way, I just wanted to say thank you to the people who DM'd me about his behavior and those that posted here about it. I appreciate you guys and thank you for that :bow:
Likewise is like to thank those who PM'd me both here and on FB with their words of encouragement and agreement.
And I'd like to take a moment to say "your welcome" to OP for giving his thread more attention than it got in 3/4's of a year. I'm confident he agrees he couldn't have done it without me.
But my offer stands to see how he contributes in the next year or two so that I eat my words. I could be wrong, so let's hope he steps up.
Peace ✌️
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Adri, the way you’re responding to Kev and his comments is pretty telling and proving the point we’re trying to get across—create the content you want, but don’t just come on and play self pitchman without paying your dues and getting to know the folks who’ve been on here for a while. There are some folks on here you may not often agree with, but don’t get so defensive that you’re now on the offense, especially toward the people who’ve helped build this resourceful community. Battle them, and you simply prove your point of being someone who’s focused on drawing folks to their own arena rather than helping to build this one.
Here’s the secret—you can do both, but make sure that you at least respect this community by taking part.
Or not.
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Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation. Bunkum. Me, no thanks to these self promoters, seen it too many times here. Gotta show your woman? Sheeze. You see it, you smell it. No big deal. They come, and they go away. But there are plenty of participants here, that aren't really that different. Providing a continuous stream of "see me, hear me" dreck. From personal experience, I can say that while kind of reasonably moderated, it's still curious to see that which is allowed and that which is squashed on this Forum. I am surprised that this thread wasn't locked or terminated some time ago. Live and let live peoples.
TdF
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Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation.
If it might try to explain.
Participation in a forum is contributing to the community. It's why the forum exists and it's how you get to know each other. It builds trust in the reliability of the information, the willingness to help, that sales of parts are real, that intentions are good, etc.
A lack of participation, in and if itself, isn't a problem. But it doesn't help the forum or the members build community or trust. People are always welcome to lurk and not post, but when they finally do or when they're a newbie, then it takes time to, in a word, vet.
So minimal participation with nothing but links to other places comes across as self promotion, which is the at the root of spam.
Now let me add something, I'm sorry. I could have been more patient or more carefully worded with my criticism. But you'll notice I didn't comment the first time this thread was posted (1/24) and gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. I didn't even comment the second time it resurfaced (7/24). It wasn't until the third time it came up (with no other contributions - edit correction one other post in July) that I made a judgement (which still could be wrong and I hope I'm proved that way eventually).
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I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community, All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.
TdF
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Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation. Bunkum. Me, no thanks to these self promoters, seen it too many times here. Gotta show your woman? Sheeze. You see it, you smell it. No big deal. They come, and they go away. But there are plenty of participants here, that aren't really that different. Providing a continuous stream of "see me, hear me" dreck. From personal experience, I can say that while kind of reasonably moderated, it's still curious to see that which is allowed and that which is squashed on this Forum. I am surprised that this thread wasn't locked or terminated some time ago. Live and let live peoples.
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If it might try to explain.
Participation in a forum is contributing to the community. It's why the forum exists and it's how you get to know each other. It builds trust in the reliability of the information, the willingness to help, that sales of parts are real, that intentions are good, etc.
A lack of participation, in and if itself, isn't a problem. But it doesn't help the forum or the members build community or trust. People are always welcome to lurk and not post, but when they finally do or when they're a newbie, then it takes time to, in a word, vet.
So minimal participation with nothing but links to other places comes across as self promotion, which is the at the root of spam.
Now let me add something, I'm sorry. I could have been more patient or more carefully worded with my criticism. But you'll notice I didn't comment the first time this thread was posted (1/24) and gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. I didn't even comment the second time it resurfaced (7/24). It wasn't until the third time it came up (with no other contributions - edit correction one other post in July) that I made a judgement (which still could be wrong and I hope I'm proved that way eventually).
I can get behind points made in both of these posts. I might add that it's when ones EGO is allowed to drive ones subsequent responses that things get sideways. Growing more butt-hurt and defensive of a position expressed, doesn't make you more right or wrong, though it can show ones deeper insecurities. I believe it also inhibits healthy participation from members.
To summarize. Ride your ride through life. When appropriate, lift up one another with your knowledge and experiences
and then move forward and ride on. :bike-037:
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I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community, All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.
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No not at all, but you might need more vetting before I sent you a check for a part lol.
Again it's not scrutiny. I questioned the motivation of someone who had never posted on any other thread but the one for his YouTube videos (other than a single post made in July).
So he posted a video link then bailed, even on his own thread for 6-7 months, then popped back for a few posts in the thread and left again.
See how the motivation could be doubted?
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I can get behind points made in both of these posts. I might add that it's when ones EGO is allowed to drive ones subsequent responses that things get sideways. Growing more butt-hurt and defensive of a position expressed, doesn't make you more right or wrong, though it can show ones deeper insecurities. I believe it also inhibits healthy participation from members.
To summarize. Ride your ride through life. When appropriate, lift up one another with your knowledge and experiences
and then move forward and ride on. :bike-037:
Agreed, though I just don't take kindly to multiple direct personal attacks.
And am willing to scrap.
Also, my motivation isn't so much defending my position as explaining it.
Feel free to disagree, I have no problem with that. But at least understand the motivation.
I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong here.
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I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community, All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.
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I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think
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I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think
Not gatekeeping.
I questioned motives. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
I encourage anyone to post away and share in more than just one thread they created to self promote.
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I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think
Well said.
It's also worth noting that this thread existed, with no complaints from anyone whatsoever for 9 months... Then one person came along, and rather than leave a new member to keep sharing his updates on his journey as a V7 owner, decided to let their ego takeover, and make the thread all about himself and his trolling, regardless of how many forum members disagree with him, and how many Likes from forum members the OP's posts get from forum members.
It's gatekeeping like you said, but it's not just gatekeeping, either, it's like that Roosevelt reference to "the man in the arena" too...
People who've never played pro football always seem to be the ones who think they know best about what should or shouldn't be done, and shout at the players and the coaches
... from behind their tv screens.
Likewise, the people who couldn't be bothered to put in the work to help a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month, or build a community of tens of thousands of riders, always seem to be the ones who think they know best about how to help riders, and help grow online motorcycle communities
... from behind their keyboards.
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It's also worth noting that this thread existed, with no complaints from anyone whatsoever for 9 months... Then one person came along, and rather than leave a new member to keep sharing his updates on his journey as a V7 owner, decided to let their ego takeover, and make the thread all about himself
Ahem, I actually explained this. I didn't comment those first 7 months waiting to see if you were going to actually be a part of the forum and discourse.
It's only when you came back a third time for nothing more than "come click my link" that I commented.
This isn't about me, this is about me calling you out and you still haven't taken any steps to change that. If anything you've double downed right
But I still hope to be proven wrong.
Likewise, the people who couldn't be bothered to put in the work to a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month, or build a community of tens of thousands of riders, always seem to be the ones who think they know best about how to help riders, and help grow online motorcycle communities
... from behind their keyboards.
What?!? So now you're putting in the work to a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month?
Huh?
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Putting in the work to help 100,000+ motorcyclists every month. Yes. I do this.
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/youmotorcycle
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Putting in the work to help 100,000+ motorcyclists every month. Yes. I do this.
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/youmotorcycle
Interesting so if I'm understanding this correctly (please feel free to set me straight if I'm not) your job is analyzing statistics of hits for content creators across multiple platforms?
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No. That's a third party website that analyzes YouTube channels.
I was going to post my screenshots so you could see that I am in fact helping over 100,000+ motorcyclists every single month, and that I have created over a hundred informative "how to" videos aimed at helping or informing motorcyclists. Then I remembered who I was dealing with and decided to just share the link to the third party source instead.
Too much time being wasted here because of how derailed the thread has been.
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Give it a rest Kev. You waited 7 months to see? Really? Wait until you retire and really have all that time on your hands. LOL!
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Let's calm down. This member is not a spammer. We have members here that have been members for 10+ years and have never posted. Yet, they still donate. A lot of members like the search option and choose not to engage as they only look for solutions.
If you don't like something you see here, simply scroll on by. I do it all the time, and it's so easy a caveman can do it :evil:
Luap
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Thank you Luap!
Last week I installed a new battery and took my camera out for a little V7 photo shoot before the trees loose all their leaves. A few came out alright.
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160291.jpg)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160292.jpg)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160293_1.jpg)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160295.jpg)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160296.jpg)
(https://youmotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/P1160298.jpg)
And yes, I know, that's not where the tank badge goes, but... I kinda like it down there, and it's different, so that's where it's staying :)
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Thanks for coming back to let us know how it finished. Badge looks fine. Nice pics, looks fine. Well Done
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Looking good!
Is the V7 the winner?
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Thanks for coming back to let us know how it finished. Badge looks fine. Nice pics, looks fine. Well Done
Thanks Steve!
Looking good!
Is the V7 the winner?
Honestly, the Bonneville won as far as "best", but the V7 won "best for me", so I sold the Bonnie and kept the V7.
My V7 is a 2013 / V7 I, so a lot of the Bonneville's shortcomings were also shortcomings that Moto Guzzi hadn't corrected in the V7 yet. But the Bonneville had other strengths (namely performance), that I think make it better than the V7 I.
That being said, the V7 was the most fun and best for me, so the Bonnie was sold months ago.
I still have the V7, but it's also up for sale, only because there's a V7 III Anniversario(maybe? chrome tank anyway) that I will try to upgrade to if I can sell mine before that bike sells.
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adri, you're arguing for credibility on a niche Moto Guzzi board while sending out links to your personal youtube channel that has content that compares a modern V7 to an entry-level Triumph to an Indian-made Royal Enfield. Ok...
but then you're trying to further establish your credibility against a dude with 30 THOUSAND POSTS in this community. I'm not trying to diminish what you do; it takes effort to put a video together and to have the courage to do it. It also takes effort to consistently check in here over the years (probably decades with the poster in question?) and contribute to discussions. 30,000 times.
You know, if you called it what it was then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Owning something is authentic.
I don't know your intentions for certain but I don't think Kev is wrong for calling it spam. It is borderline spam.
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Thought about going back to a month ago and revisiting this...
Just going to post this instead:
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=120241.msg1889983#msg1889983
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adri, you're arguing for credibility on a niche Moto Guzzi board while sending out links to your personal youtube channel that has content that compares a modern V7 to an entry-level Triumph to an Indian-made Royal Enfield. Ok...
but then you're trying to further establish your credibility against a dude with 30 THOUSAND POSTS in this community. I'm not trying to diminish what you do; it takes effort to put a video together and to have the courage to do it. It also takes effort to consistently check in here over the years (probably decades with the poster in question?) and contribute to discussions. 30,000 times.
You know, if you called it what it was then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Owning something is authentic.
I don't know your intentions for certain but I don't think Kev is wrong for calling it spam. It is borderline spam.
I appreciate that you see what I was saying, however, Luap is our host and he's spoken on the matter so that's it as far as I'm concerned.
I'm more interested in what's next and am happy to have Adri contributing.
Though he's killing me with that badge placement but hey it takes all types.
Oh, on that, Adri, have you ridden a MkIII yet? I do really like ours but I swear I prefer my MkI most of the time. If I have to sell one it'll probably be the III.
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Honestly, the Bonneville won as far as "best", but the V7 won "best for me", so I sold the Bonnie and kept the V7.
That is a very honest assessment that I can understand as another V7 owner! :grin: I've owned many niche motorcycles, they tend to be more fun for me than the more popular choices or what looks best on paper.
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That is a very honest assessment that I can understand as another V7 owner! :grin: I've owned many niche motorcycles, they tend to be more fun for me than the more popular choices or what looks best on paper.
Well, as an owner I agree, but it comes under the category of "duh."
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Well, as an owner I agree, but it comes under the category of "duh."
Not sure I follow?
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Not sure I follow?
Sorry I was just being cheeky.
Let me elaborate.
I currently own three bikes, but I've owned plenty more (and had access to press fleets).
Yet the bike I've personally owned longest in my life is the 2013 MkI Stone that I ordered from Guzzi through Fast By Feracci as soon as I learned they were building em.
Even of the three bikes we currently own it's by far the lowest performer in any objective category. Yet, with as many as 5 bikes in the fleet at any moment I've owned it, I consistently chose it over the others. More HP, less weight, there have been plenty of items you might think would make me ride the others more, but I didn't.
So to me, it's obvious, it's duh, that another bike objectively won the comparison, but at the same time the V7 was still subjectively the preferred "better" bike, yeah that computes.
But I also recognize that YMMV.
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Thanks for explaining. That makes sense to me and I also relate to your view. I just didn't understand the "duh".
"On the internet, nobody can hear you being subtle." - Linus Torvalds
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Not again.....
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Yeah, like Kev, and Adri - these bikes have *something* that's difficult to define. Others have more power, or features, or whatever, but the Guzzi just does it for me.
I recall back 30 years ago when I was really into the airheads, they were considered slugs because they only had 70 horsepower. But that didn't take into account the torque and how it actually felt like a lot more. It wasn't up to Honda race standards by any means, but plenty strong enough for touring.
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Good looking bike! I don't personally care for the saddle bags but it's your bike. Dress it out like you want it. :thumb:
The "Moto Guzzi" looks fine to me. :thumb: