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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: TurcoLoco on January 30, 2024, 07:46:17 PM
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Hi Fellow Riders,
During the initial several years of my ownership, the bike was parked near ocean and was exposed to salty air and humidity so there is a certain degree of rust and corrosion around the bike but nothing excessive.
The biggest issue this situation has created is, the seized/stuck nuts and bolts in certain areas that I have not accessed in over 2 years because there was no need.
A few days ago, I topped off the battery, completed the routine check up and warmed up the bike and went on a ride. 15 minutes into the ride, the bike started shaking and dash lights flashed as the engine started running erratically.
Service light came on and with a few seconds off all this happening, I started to pull the bike to the side of the freeway to a safe spot. At almost a full stop the bike abruptly died with the screen showing ECU and a disconnected plug/cable image.
I am guessing "ECU Disconnected". There was no other message, diagnostics had nothing reported, everything on the surface appeared OK. Shut off the bike and turned it back on. No change.
Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and reconnected hoping it was a glitch, no suck luck.
Bik is back at the house. Decided to tear down the bike starting with the side panels to investigate all relevant part starting with the ECU. Checked connectors/pins dry and no visible rust/dirt.
Checked and cleaned the ground connection, no help. I know the battery was OK and got a new battery just to make sure and the issue was still there.
Then decided to check all the fuses and the dash and that is where I managed to create a new headache; the top bolt that screws in and holds the side panel, headlight assembly and the gas tank together is just spinning and not coming loose!!
I tried using Tri-Flow, PB Blaster and sprayed from the top, side, any which way I can but no change. The thread piece/nut that this big bolt screws into must somehow come loose inside its groove and I am not able to pull it out either.
It was not overly tightened but tight enough where I can't really get much of an opening in between the pieces. Due to plastic layers and gas tank involved I can't really do most of the usual stuff I could normally try either.
The loose piece is also not visible or accessible so I really to not know what I can do to break this bolt loose. I tried wedging the nylon prying pieces HFT sells but it still wouldn't budge. I also use a very skinny pick tool and tried poking it all the way down next to the bolt in hopes of reaching all the way down to the loose piece to stabilize it so I could perhaps break the bolt free but I wasn't able to get it that far down and I didn't want to hammer it down and damage the gas tank.
I really do not want to cut any of the parts there just to break them free in order to have access to the rest of the bolt and gas tank.
Can anyone suggest anything that might help?
I am at my wits end at this point.
Note: Top photo shows the left side that I was able to remove fairly easily, the other photo is showing the side that is stuck and just spinning regardless of using a wrench, socket wrench or power tool.
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(https://i.ibb.co/PGQ4YK2/Stelvio-Bad-Dash-bolt-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGQ4YK2)
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Get a drill bit the same diameter as the bolt threads. Hold the bolt with a wrench and drill straight through the center.
When you hit the threads the bolt will release. You can then remove the parts to get to the nut (the brass nut is already spinning so the damage is done. This will allow you to remove the bolt and save the parts it attaches.
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Get a drill bit the same diameter as the bolt threads. Hold the bolt with a wrench and drill straight through the center.
When you hit the threads the bolt will release. You can then remove the parts to get to the nut (the brass nut is already spinning so the damage is done. This will allow you to remove the bolt and save the parts it attaches.
Hi Shiny,
Thank you for the reply! I did consider that but I can only use a drill bit that would fit on the inside hole of the stuck bolt.
Is that what you were also suggesting? If so, when I drill down and eventually drill thru the bottom part of that big bolt, how would that break free the bolt from the nut below it exactly?
Or, even if it didn't, I wonder if I could stick a fitting screw driver down thru that new hole until it can reach the bottom and hold that loose piece in place?
Hmm....you have given me an idea that I can test tomorrow.
Hopefully, I can get this issue resolve so I can focus on the main ECU issue!
I will report back either way.
Cheers,
TL
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You’re just drilling the head off . Keeping it from turning while drilling it is the trick. I’d start with a drill bit that doesn’t grip the edges of the hex. If a small vice grips or pliers won’t grab the head to hold it, you may have to file some flats on the head. A pitfall is if the bolt spins as you are drilling, it may heat up the plastic and melt it. Once the head is off the panel can be removed and you can extract the rest of the bolt more easily
Edit~ its way different than I imagined, I thought it was a button head . No wonder you needed to save the bolt!
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Hi Shiny,
Thank you for the reply! I did consider that but I can only use a drill bit that would fit on the inside hole of the stuck bolt.
Is that what you were also suggesting? If so, when I drill down and eventually drill thru the bottom part of that big bolt, how would that break free the bolt from the nut below it exactly?
Or, even if it didn't, I wonder if I could stick a fitting screw driver down thru that new hole until it can reach the bottom and hold that loose piece in place?
Hmm....you have given me an idea that I can test tomorrow.
Hopefully, I can get this issue resolve so I can focus on the main ECU issue!
I will report back either way.
Cheers,
TL
You are drilling through the bolt with a bit the same size as the bolt thread diameter. This will ruin the bolt so you can remove the panels without damaging the panels, tank or whatever the bolt is holding. You are sacrificing the bolt.
You only have to drill until you hit the threads, at that point the bolt will fall off. The remaining threads will still be stuck in the nut but you will now have better access to deal with that.
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You’re just drilling the head off . Keeping it from turning while drilling it is the trick. I’d start with a drill bit that doesn’t grip the edges of the hex. If a small vice grips or pliers won’t grab the head to hold it, you may have to file some flats on the head. A pitfall is if the bolt spins as you are drilling, it may heat up the plastic and melt it. Once the head is off the panel can be removed and you can extract the rest of the bolt more easily
I am guessing by head you mean the threaded part of the bolt, right? Sorry by vocabulary when it comes to mechanics lingo is very limited. :embarrassed:
Based on Shiny's last post, I think my only option is to use a drill bit that is just about the same diameter as the threaded part of the bolt (which from what I could tell a 11/64 bit should work) so the threaded tip of the bolt is, sadly, destroyed freeing up the nut and the rest of the parts held together. As I expected such an exotic bolt/spacer (MG Stelvio wind deflector spacer #887033) seems to cost A LOT from any parts vendor online I could find but that also seems to be the only way. :weiner:
I am currently not working so if any of you knows a good online seller with the best prices, please do let me know. :smiley:
Well, thank you again! I will tackle that today and see how it goes.
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I think you got it, see pic. Unfortunately the bolt will be ruined.
The nut is knurled on the outside and bonded to the plastic, it broke free and is spinning. You can try grabbing the top of the bolt with vice grips and pull up and twist, you might be able to pull the nut out and work on it from there.
If the nut is a T type you won’t be able to pull it through.
Best of luck, take your time and think about options before you proceed.
(https://i.ibb.co/GVzCxRX/77-F2939-D-F263-472-B-B293-8946-A28-F5-F07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GVzCxRX)
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(https://i.ibb.co/sv9w6c2/Bad-Bolt-Out-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sv9w6c2)
(https://i.ibb.co/7vVHPMQ/Bad-Bolt-Out-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7vVHPMQ)
Well, I got it out using the power drill/friction hack shown in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeX5_lprtM) video.
It took a bit of effort using a HFT vinyl pry tool to push it up once it got heated enough.
Around the same time I saw smoke coming out so I used a large set of pliers to pull the top bolt up and push the vinyl pry tool under the captive nut then sprayed cold water onto the tank.
I am happy to have saved the bolt so I am guessing if I JB Weld the captive nut back in, it should be good to go! :popcorn:
From the looks of it, there is no direct connection or opening from that hole to the actual tank which was a bit of relief.
IMO, using a captive nut on gas tank is an utter "Sh.t Design"! :violent1:
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Good job, way different style nut then I thought. Glad to see you researched and found a method that worked.
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Good job, way different style nut then I thought. Glad to see you researched and found a method that worked.
Yup, I am a bit of a hot head but I am trying to keep the saying "Measure twice (or thrice), cut once" in mind when applicable.
Thank you for chipping in to help! I am not celebrating yet since the main issue (ECU Disconnected showing on display) is still unresolved.
Battery checked out, the big fuses under the seat or good (as I predicted), I am going to check the fuses behind the headlight.
I seriously doubt the ECU had crapped out but there is definitely a "disconnect" between the ECU and the dash.
Checked ECU connectors, looked dry and clean, no rust. Removed ECU ground wire connector, cleaned the area, still no change.
Just not sure what else to check not good with electrical system troubleshooting! :rolleyes:
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Congratulations so far but did you figure out the original problem?
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Even though the ECU connector looks clean. You might pick up a bottle or spray can of De Oxit. It's a contact cleaner. Might?? fix the issue?? Also, clean all connectors with it before you decide the ECU has failed.
Hope this helps,
Tom
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Congratulations so far but did you figure out the original problem?
No, not yet. Now that I am able to remove the headlight assembly, I will be focusing on that.
Even though the ECU connector looks clean. You might pick up a bottle or spray can of De Oxit. It's a contact cleaner. Might?? fix the issue?? Also, clean all connectors with it before you decide the ECU has failed.
Hope this helps,
Tom
Thanks, Tom.
It got dark by the time I got done with the car. Tomorrow, I will put my full focus on Stelvio.
I got me a can of CRC Contact Electronics cleaner (boy did they go up in price!).
I will definitely be spraying inside the ECU connectors as well as the big Dash pin connector with that cleaner.
The bike wasn't exposed to any serious rain and I do not typically wash that part of the bike so kind of odd that the connectors would be corroded or dirty but it'd be a fairly easy thing to eliminate.
Not sure where exactly the ECU or any related component fuses are but I will check them all to make sure.
Other than those, not sure where to go next.
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Maybe I missed it. What exactly are you working on?
Tom
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Maybe I missed it. What exactly are you working on?
Tom
Sure, no problem. From my op:
A few days ago, I topped off the battery, completed the routine check up and warmed up the bike and went on a ride. 15 minutes into the ride, the bike started shaking and dash lights flashed as the engine started running erratically.
Service light came on and with a few seconds off all this happening, I started to pull the bike to the side of the freeway to a safe spot. At almost a full stop the bike abruptly died with the screen showing ECU and a disconnected plug/cable image.
I am guessing "ECU Disconnected". There was no other message, diagnostics had nothing reported, everything on the surface appeared OK. Shut off the bike and turned it back on. No change.
Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and reconnected hoping it was a glitch, no suck luck.
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I must still be missing it after re-reading the thread.....
What year and model of Guzzi are you working on?
Sorry confused,
Tom
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My bike is a 2017 Stelvio with about 22K miles on it.
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Battery checked out, even a new battery I got didn't help.
ECU Ground connector is intact, removed and cleaned it, didn't help.
Cleaned ECU and Dash connectors using Electronics Cleaner, didn't help.
All fuses checked out OK.
I have not use Guzzi Diag before but I was thinking about giving it a shot just to see if ECU is good or not. I am guessing it'd help with that.
Other than that, not sure what to do next, anyone any ideas?
TIA
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When I had an “ECU Disconnected” message my ECU (MIU3) was bricked. Had to replace it.
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When I had an “ECU Disconnected” message my ECU (MIU3) was bricked. Had to replace it.
Was your fuel pump pre-loading when you turned on the ignition? How old was your bike when that happen, and more importantly were you able to figure out the cause?
I didn't see MIU3 on display. Dash diagnostics were empty/blank.
I have a (bad) feeling mine might be too as any other possibility would not likely to happen in mid ride (me thinks).
I also didn't notice the fuel pump pre-loading which typically happens when you turn the ignition on. I am guessing this is controlled by the ECU which would prove ECU is definitely not alive (either not getting power or gone bad).
Not sure if my assumptions are accurate or not.
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Your fuel pump "should" be controlled by the ECU.
Before just deciding the ECU is bad. You said you checked the fuses. Did you check them with a volt meter or just look at them? Did you check the fuse sockets and the wires to them?
I don't think this would matter to the ECU, but the fuel pump it would. Kill switch is in the run position?
Guzzidiag is free, the cables will cost a few dollars. Amazon has them as well as the likely best source Lonelec in England.
If it really is looking like the ECU died. I read about one being bricked while uploading a new map to it. I can look this up, but they decided to try a few things while loading the map, doing it the completely wrong way. They were able to revive the ECU. I know this is not your case, but if it was my bike I would try it before buying a new ECU.
If you do need a new ECU, you should be able to find a used one of the correct model on the bay of fleas for instance. Then if it was for another bike, you could load the map for your Stelvio in to it and be on your way. Someone here may be able to provide you, via email. the map if you ask.
Good luck!
Tom
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Did you replace or at least clean all the relays?
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Your fuel pump "should" be controlled by the ECU.
Before just deciding the ECU is bad. You said you checked the fuses. Did you check them with a volt meter or just look at them? Did you check the fuse sockets and the wires to them?
I don't think this would matter to the ECU, but the fuel pump it would. Kill switch is in the run position?
Guzzidiag is free, the cables will cost a few dollars. Amazon has them as well as the likely best source Lonelec in England.
If it really is looking like the ECU died. I read about one being bricked while uploading a new map to it. I can look this up, but they decided to try a few things while loading the map, doing it the completely wrong way. They were able to revive the ECU. I know this is not your case, but if it was my bike I would try it before buying a new ECU.
If you do need a new ECU, you should be able to find a used one of the correct model on the bay of fleas for instance. Then if it was for another bike, you could load the map for your Stelvio in to it and be on your way. Someone here may be able to provide you, via email. the map if you ask.
Good luck!
Tom
Thank you, Tom.
I am still puzzled as to how a bad connection or corrosion could cause this in the middle of riding the bike. That just didn't seem like a possibility to begin with but hey, I am here asking for help so...
I didn't check the actual fuse ports inside the aux fuse box. I will check at least the one with 3A which I believe is for the ECU.
Since the bike has power (lights, dash, etc.), I don't think power is the problem. Also, as I mentioned the battery checked out and the brand new battery I got didn't help either.
I found the cables I bought when I downloaded Guzzi Diag a little while back. Hopefully, I will get around to using it before the weekend.
Would using it provide 100% certainty whether the ECU is bad or good depending on whether it could/couldn't see the ECU or could there still be something else?
I am really hoping it is not the ECU but an ECU going dead while riding, however unlikely it seems, would explain what happened, am I wrong?
If there is anything else I should be checking, please fire away. I will keep checking the thread while staking stabs at this in the upcoming days.
Cheers!
Did you replace or at least clean all the relays?
Thank you.
I removed and checked them visually and sprayed some contact electronics cleaner but nothing else.
Not sure which one is the ECU relay or if there is even one for it or any others that may actually cause this.
If there is a specific one for ECU, which one is it please?
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The smartest thing to do is replace all of them with new 5 prongs units. A guy here sells them at a good price. Someone help out with his name.
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The smartest thing to do is replace all of them with new 5 prongs units. A guy here sells them at a good price. Someone help out with his name.
Hi Vagrant,
Sorry you lost me, replace all of what exactly?
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He means replace all the relays with better ones.
Siemens relays have a high failure rate.
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The smartest thing to do is replace all of them with new 5 prongs units. A guy here sells them at a good price. Someone help out with his name.
The guy with the relays everyone liked was Pyrodan. His website is or was dpguzzi.com. I have no idea if he's still around or not.
-AJ
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Pyro is alive and well here in WI.
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Yes, the relays. I got mine from pyro Dan.
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http://dpguzzi.com/
Here is a link to his site.
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I did the same thing and bought a bunch from him. :thumb:
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Yes, the relays. I got mine from pyro Dan.
Oh I see. Did you have the same problem or another similar issue that replacing the relays fixed it?
I wasn't aware Siemens relays were inferior quality.
Is there a way to check the relays to confirm?
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There are 12v relay testers available.
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There are 12v relay testers available.
Is there a way to check them using a multimeter (which I have)?
Also, is there a relay for ECU or could cause the "ECU disconnected" issue I am having?
Dan replied to my email stating he didn't carry the relays for the newer models. I guess he typically carries the ones up to 2011.
Thank you.
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Hello all,
Quick update: after replacing all 5 relays on the brake side and cleaning their sockets, I removed the gas tank and noticed the two relays on the ECU side that I missed before.
I was (and kind still am) under the weather so give me some credit! Anyhow, the cube shaped relay and its socket were seriously corroded so much so that one of the eyes of the socket fell apart when I sprayed contact cleaner and used a brass brush.
Of course I cannot be 100% certain that was the cause of my issue but needless to say, I will be replacing both relays as well as the damaged socket and check!
(https://i.ibb.co/b2pjY1s/Stelvio-Relays-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b2pjY1s)
(https://i.ibb.co/6tpQ6vF/Stelvio-Relays-06.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6tpQ6vF)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZTjhvDZ/Stelvio-Relays-05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZTjhvDZ)
To be continued...
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:thumb:
Tom
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Is there a way to check them using a multimeter (which I have)?
Also, is there a relay for ECU or could cause the "ECU disconnected" issue I am having?
Dan replied to my email stating he didn't carry the relays for the newer models. I guess he typically carries the ones up to 2011.
Thank you.
There is but I forget the procedure on what should be closed etc. that's why I bought a relay tester.
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You should be able to release a lock pin for the damaged connector and pull it from the plastic housing. Then take the connector to an electrical shop and they should have one. Or it might just be a plain old non insulated female spade connector provided it has the correct lock pin.
Tom
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You should be able to release a lock pin for the damaged connector and pull it from the plastic housing. Then take the connector to an electrical shop and they should have one. Or it might just be a plain old non insulated female spade connector provided it has the correct lock pin.
Tom
Thanks, Tom. I have already ordered the waterproof socket set that comes with the relay so I will see how it goes.
I really wanna get the bike running again so I can ride 'cuz I started to get cranky due to lack of riding! :weiner:
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Would this work for one of them?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/375213079786?itmmeta=01HPR4F8XES6RNWJW90HSKD521&hash=item575c713cea:g:nIkAAOSwYoFlsjpC&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4PpA0BppgUOEM6PzIxMEuNCDH%2Blecg6lCTSWFWhx4BIJvIdSosVyoMTrHaIybe9Jo4JlcxFCvcSygSC7tZN4LSF6ey5OxELzDQlRtV0QAIcWgICHhgzfXt7Iy3UydtzczeEisH9oL9IXAE%2F5lhvbET8fBZzPuJHjGoDRmKnq5MdmEYZrLUPJ3%2F9JW5wH8zk8abgIYEynXrQjseqdyZlWyKmDL4WpBSGe%2B2rvW2oHm0iOZODzckxeQpRCbZ%2BEVw2P--xLahhV%2FYJzKH3tS%2BIZPJspr%2B4zXa5H5B5geDQJ0n2%2B%7Ctkp%3ABFBMko-9hLZj
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There’s a bunch of vids on relays on utube like this explaining relays https://youtu.be/mkjSFnHSSis?si=0XmJBAjc0XI5eJsH
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Would this work for one of them?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/375213079786?itmmeta=01HPR4F8XES6RNWJW90HSKD521&hash=item575c713cea:g:nIkAAOSwYoFlsjpC&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4PpA0BppgUOEM6PzIxMEuNCDH%2Blecg6lCTSWFWhx4BIJvIdSosVyoMTrHaIybe9Jo4JlcxFCvcSygSC7tZN4LSF6ey5OxELzDQlRtV0QAIcWgICHhgzfXt7Iy3UydtzczeEisH9oL9IXAE%2F5lhvbET8fBZzPuJHjGoDRmKnq5MdmEYZrLUPJ3%2F9JW5wH8zk8abgIYEynXrQjseqdyZlWyKmDL4WpBSGe%2B2rvW2oHm0iOZODzckxeQpRCbZ%2BEVw2P--xLahhV%2FYJzKH3tS%2BIZPJspr%2B4zXa5H5B5geDQJ0n2%2B%7Ctkp%3ABFBMko-9hLZj
That might be an option but I ordered this (http://"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BDGLBDCT?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details") one because it comes complete with pigtails which would make soldering much easier for me.
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= Update =
After replacing all the relays and that one damaged socket, the ECU Disconnect error disappeared.
However, the "Service!" message keeps coming back after deleting all errors and /resetting service options so there is more to do.
I don't quite remember how noticeable the fuel pump priming noise was but I don't think I hear it any more.
When I checked the ECU errors section, I saw #25 and #00 had an X so if anyone knows what those are and what could cause this, I'd appreciate their input.
I am off to checking the wiring diagram and checking the fuse/relay for the fuel pump to make sure those are OK.
PS. I found out the ECU #25 was for ignition coil ground so besides the aux fuse box connections and all the fuses, I will be cleaning the coil connectors as well as the ground wires and connectors on botch sides.
If anyone has any other suggestions, I am all ears.
TIA
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If Service is just the icon on the dash, it may need to be reset by a dealer.
Just as a refresher for the fuel pump. Turn key to on and kill switch to run, then you will hear the pump. You
MAY need to pull the clutch lever especially if the bike is in gear.
Good luck!
Tom
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If Service is just the icon on the dash, it may need to be reset by a dealer.
Just as a refresher for the fuel pump. Turn key to on and kill switch to run, then you will hear the pump. You
MAY need to pull the clutch lever especially if the bike is in gear.
Good luck!
Tom
Thank, Tom.
Out of frustration, I moreved the gas tank and the coils, sp wires and even the FIs to check and clean.
I couldn't really hear the pump but the dash does its thing where the gages moves up and down with a little clicking (maybe that was the pump?), lol...it has been a long while so I couldn't tell.
Anyhow, I did notice now the bike actually ignites when I press the ignition but doesn't fire...then it dawned on me after recalling the spark plug wire issues I read on multiple threads a long while back.
I checked both wires, no continuity! I removed the boots and there is continuity so the boots shat the bed when the issue occurred on the freeway going 75 mph.
The vibration might have have taken them out because I was very careful when I removed them almost two years ago to install iridium plugs.
I ordered replacement NGK boots which will probably take a week to receive.
I will give an update afterwards.
Cheers!
TL
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Hopefully the new boots get you fixed up.
Tom
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Hopefully the new boots get you fixed up.
Tom
Thank you, sir! I am hoping so too!
Due to all the counterfeits, I am not even sure if I am getting original NGKs but seller is in the US so fingers crossed.
It wasn't easy finding the SB05Es though. Most of the few I found were overseas and when you include the shipping, they cost minimum 3 times more than what they really should.
I checked all local mc dealerships and auto parts stores and no other suitable options even as a wire set.
Curious, is there no other alternative to the stock sp wires, especially as a set, meaning wire plus the cap/boot?
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NGK quit make the caps. So only NOS available. Seems like Italy has some. Some of the knock off caps are fine, some may not be.
Otherwise your stuck getting a complete wire from the dealer. Maybe just the end cap??
Tom
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I have ordered a pair of SB05Es I found but also ordered these (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08JSFFV1V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) to give them a shot (based on the dimensions, should be pretty close to stock).
Worst case scenario, I will have to wait for NGKs to come in. Best case scenario, I will have a spare set! :boozing:
To be continued...
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(https://i.ibb.co/qDwfT1N/Stelvio-SP-Caps.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qDwfT1N)
Amazon aftermarket sp caps were half inch too short so despite having 120 degree elbows, it didn't quite connect to the sparkplugs.
Item measurements showed 4" where the longest part was 3-3/8". The stock is almost 4" (3-7/8").
The measurements were off by half inch otherwise it would have been a good spare set to keep.
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I previously thought ECU Errors #27 and #31 were for ignition coil grounds but they were actually for Injection grounds.
I am going to re-check the socket I replaced as well as the related ECU socket pins using a multimeter.
If anyone else have any suggestions or tips, I am all ears! :thumb:
TIA
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Would this work for one of them?
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Thanks for this. I initially didn't want to mess with just replacing those little brass connectors inside the socket and figured it would be much easier just to replace the socket itself.
I did that for one of the more standard 4-pin relays that was clearly damaged due to corrosion but while taking a closer look, I noticed another injector relay (with socket and pins coupled in 2 rows) with heavily corroded cable and connector.
It looked fine until I gently grab the cable and it came right off, trying to gently remove the brass connector and it fell apart into tiny pieces much like the one in the socket I replaced over a week ago.
I checked and it seems that is the only other one that is damaged and needs replacing so a single brass connector attached, it'd be a cheaper and much quicker fix.
I am confident that would get the bike running or at least it is something that definitely needs fixing either way.
More to come...