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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: dave1068 on March 03, 2024, 09:44:42 AM
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I know this topic comes up often and curious if any DIY'ers who do their own service have figured out a way yet to re-set the wrench icon or if the dealer is still the only way to do it?
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I've never heard of anyone successfully re-setting the wrench without a trip to the dealer.
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https://gtmotocycles.com/products/diag-tool-v7-v9-v85tt-v100
Only one I know of, pricey--------------------------------------
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If you want more detail on that device, this is it before GTM remove the branding:
https://www.duonix.com/Bike-Scan-2-Pro-for-Moto-Guzzi
Order it with the Euro5/ISO19689 cable option to use on Euro5 bikes.
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Better than no access, buy software & cancel everyones spanner.
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If you want more detail on that device, this is it before GTM remove the branding:
https://www.duonix.com/Bike-Scan-2-Pro-for-Moto-Guzzi
Order it with the Euro5/ISO19689 cable option to use on Euro5 bikes.
Has anyone tried it on a V85? Does it do multiple bikes ( I ask because I use a bmw device that logs the vin numbers )
Gino
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It mentions in the description that it does V85, and the GTM thread on the device also says it does. The license appears to be based on brand, so if you buy it with license for Moto Guzzi it will work on the Moto Guzzis listed and is not bound to VIN like say a DynoJet tuner product might be. There is also a global version that is licensed for all the supported makes and models.
https://www.duonix.com/Bike-Scan-2-Pro-Global-Version_1
A nice thing about THIS forum is that it is not run by a store selling parts. On the GTM forum you would be prohibited from discussing finer details of products in a way that might detract from their sales.
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It mentions in the description that it does V85, and the GTM thread on the device also says it does. The license appears to be based on brand, so if you buy it with license for Moto Guzzi it will work on the Moto Guzzis listed and is not bound to VIN like say a DynoJet tuner product might be. There is also a global version that is licensed for all the supported makes and models.
https://www.duonix.com/Bike-Scan-2-Pro-Global-Version_1
A nice thing about THIS forum is that it is not run by a store selling parts. On the GTM forum you would be prohibited from discussing finer details of products in a way that might detract from their sales.
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Would be nice to have a more reasonable solution. With only averaging 1 dealer per state, this is not a good thing for Piaggio to limit this. Should be an easy reset option in the screen....You know, like almost every other brand. :evil:
A nice thing about THIS forum is that it is not run by a store selling parts. On the GTM forum you would be prohibited from discussing finer details of products in a way that might detract from their sales.
That strategy takes away from the term discussion. As long as I'm here, we'll never operate that way.
"When you prohibit what benefits others, others will prohibit what benefits you."
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I started visiting GTM when I got my V100 as there was quite a bit of discussion about this new model. There is a substantial amount of toxicity on that forum. I almost deleted the bookmark yesterday due to another one of Todd's tantrums. If he reads this which I doubt because of the derogatory remarks he has made about this great forum. A few months ago I needed a set of front brake pads for my V7lll due to a leaking fork seal resulting in oil contamination. There was a set on the site at a reasonable price, around $30 if I remember correctly. Shipping was $25. Huh? For a measly set of brake pads. I went to EBC. As an aside, the front brake on my V7 was pretty darn good stock, but I think maybe a bit better with the EBC pads. FWIW the leak was self inflicted no fault of MG. :grin:
kk
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Many other manufacturers have also been pushing "bring it to a dealer" for years. For Moto Guzzi it's an even worse idea because of the lack of dealers.
Either way I am a right to repair advocate. Manufacturers should make the tools, documentation, and data *reasonably* available to consumers and 3rd party repair shops. Reasonably available means they can still charge for it like Honda with their crazy shipping markup on Helm manuals. Ideally though the service indicator should be able to reset using the bike's own controls and screen navigation. If you're locked out of working on your vehicle then you don't really own it.
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I mentioned Todds tool cause folks here think it's not doable. It IS just not cheap. One reason I won't buy or ride such crap they make. I like motorcycles not cars w/2 wheels, don't need the crap they sell these days.
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https://gtmotocycles.com/products/diag-tool-v7-v9-v85tt-v100
Only one I know of, pricey--------------------------------------
Ok I gotta ask! How hard is it to actually reset the service light using one of these? Will it work on a 2021 v7 850 centenario? Stupid questions but I’m not an electrical genius.
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Bob, plug it in to bike & push a few buttons & your done. It is just like canceling errors on the dash of my 2000 Jeep.
Say's it works on your bike.
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i wonder if its just me ???
the wrench is on my V7. and i don't care. I know it's been serviced. I am am certainty NOT going to fork over $800 to turn a light off.
the low tire light is on in my jeep. and i don't care. Im not goin to break down a sealed tire just to replace the sender, I do own a tire gage.
this modern age of blinking lights and buzzers has desensitized me completely.......
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i wonder if its just me ???
the wrench is on my V7. and i don't care. I know it's been serviced. I am am certainty NOT going to fork over $800 to turn a light off.
the low tire light is on in my jeep. and i don't care. Im not goin to break down a sealed tire just to replace the sender, I do own a tire gage.
this modern age of blinking lights and buzzers has desensitized me completely.......
I saved this message a while back, haven't tried it yet.
V7 Maint message:
To reset; While holding the left "dashboard" button down, turn the ignition on, then off. Voilà! It's gone.
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That button on dash is for the V7 Classic, changed w/different dash.
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That button on dash is for the V7 Classic, changed w/different dash.
IIRC it works on all Heron Head models through the V7II, they changed the dashes with the Hemi Head models (V9 and V7III).
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I can't believe the controversy over the little tool light for needing service. Mine's been on since about a week after the first service. I know it was serviced and I have a piece of paper that says it was. I suppose I could be flirting with disaster as it could mean something is wrong. All the fluids are correct, tire pressures are good and it runs great (seemingly getting better every mile).
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I can't believe the controversy over the little tool light for needing service. Mine's been on since about a week after the first service. I know it was serviced and I have a piece of paper that says it was. I suppose I could be flirting with disaster as it could mean something is wrong. All the fluids are correct, tire pressures are good and it runs great (seemingly getting better every mile).
Only for the OCD affected does it bother. It is a tiny little thing. But if my bike ever finds it way back to Cadre one day I will have it reset./
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I suppose I could be flirting with disaster as it could mean something is wrong.
For the record, no it can't/doesn't, it's not a malfunction indicator light. It is literally nothing more than a preprogrammed maintenance reminder based on distance.
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Maybe someone could setup a ride thru tent at t the national rally and do resets of the wrench for 5 bucks.
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Maybe someone could setup a ride thru tent at t the national rally and do resets of the wrench for 5 bucks.
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Even tho we all pretty much like Guzzi(s) here; it is pretty chicken shoot of them to deliver a bike with this "feature"!!
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While "ignoring" the service light is an option for some (not me) has anyone ever tried to SELL a motorcycle with the service light on? I can't imagine many buyers would be very impressed. They'll say "as soon as you get that light fixed, let me know."
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we reset them for free, anytime we are open, no appt needed. Just stop in. We've trained almost everyone here how to do it.
Plug in, connect to dash module (not ECU), reset wrench, done.
MotoGP comes to Austin next month, time to make a road trip.
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Can't get any better than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Need more dealers like you guys.
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Even tho we all pretty much like Guzzi(s) here; it is pretty chicken shoot of them to deliver a bike with this "feature"!!
I agree!
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we reset them for free, anytime we are open, no appt needed. Just stop in. We've trained almost everyone here how to do it.
Plug in, connect to dash module (not ECU), reset wrench, done.
MotoGP comes to Austin next month, time to make a road trip.
That is awesome. Sloans told me that they do the same thing, but the word is that they are dropping the entire Piaggio Line.
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That is awesome. Sloans told me that they do the same thing, but the word is that they are dropping the entire Piaggio Line.
Ohhhh. That’s not good!!
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we reset them for free, anytime we are open, no appt needed. Just stop in. We've trained almost everyone here how to do it.
Plug in, connect to dash module (not ECU), reset wrench, done.
MotoGP comes to Austin next month, time to make a road trip.
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I like the little wrench. It balances out the blue handgrip. :grin:
I truly don't understand how it can bother someone while they're riding the motorcycle.
Think of it as a trophy for doing your first (and second and third...) service!
Cheers!
Craig
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Mine finally lit up. Not nearly as bad as the flashing light for cruise. Keep thinking I left a signal on.
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My wife and I have a pair of v85tt , I bought the tool from the manufacturer in Germany, it arrived last week for just under 400 uk pounds. Worth it for me in future and it does work. Hopefully saves me ever going back to the monkeys who “serviced” it before
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Having just received the Guzzi Tech Diagnostic tool yesterday and hooking it up to my 2022 V85TT Travel, I'll say this about it. It works to get rid of the service wrench and will do a few useful things. Is it worth the $500+ I paid for it? For me probably yes, as I'm a tool guy and like have the right tool for the job and I absolutely hate hate hate taking my vehicles to the dealers where they are usually worked on by the most moronic chimps the world has to offer.
Something the tool wont do that I wish it would, is pair the OEM TPMS sensors to the bikes dash or ecu.
Things the tool will do that might be useful for the Guzzi home mechanic are:
Turning off the service wrench
Activating the ABS pump
Being able to check all the switches on the handlebars to make sure they're working when pushed
Activating certain systems like the fuel pump and brake lights to see if they're working
Activating certain warning lights on the dash
Viewing live data, which there's a lot of
Checking for and erasing any stored fault codes. Although this can be done with a much cheaper $12 adapter cable and $25 wireless OBD reader.
Things to keep in mind, this $500+ tool is not like using a Hex GS-911, for anyone familiar with using that tool on their BMW motorcycles. This Guzzi tool isn't as simple to use and comes with very little instructions, so trying to figure out what to select to do what you want will take a bit of button pushing.
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If you want more detail on that device, this is it before GTM remove the branding:
https://www.duonix.com/Bike-Scan-2-Pro-for-Moto-Guzzi
Order it with the Euro5/ISO19689 cable option to use on Euro5 bikes.
FYI - Just compared my duonix purchased scanner with a gtm purchased scanner and they have exactly the same branding as each other. Included Duonix instructions take some interpreting. Works though.
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This is on ebay and has a Guzzi in the picture but not the description.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/404546862548?itmmeta=01HTDVMQJ42SBR2QEGZFGTJHGG&hash=item5e30df3dd4:g:fvAAAOSwlt1kkAsk&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8Gia9oT76M%2B7QftCJ3%2BRf4RZwRs9Pm7RlukYkkCOpRoSPNesmDag04O%2BWZ9lMaS9IbdsBiAtvHopNj5RxWvQCWZruLzW8T1fC1Ni3AdvPrQoPIhaXIB3EYL%2FDmSzQoP88P3dwaZfrYVjG70B2qn09fSPQGBP0JGWLy%2FKdS8aO1oWCQpzee%2BoYAQN1Mf98T%2FwSk1uRXvMK%2FbtBdQ50x6qrLRF6441pc0sI8Fqr%2FMiDdjU18ltP%2FDG1bT%2BjJOuNqQrt20j6rrO%2B1NNV70bL8wqpVyNMut2N5yPLwvRewo89rDYDP%2Fp2%2F9kjyAoMN%2B0TnZriA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5b50rvTYw
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That tool appears to just read the fault codes through the OBD connector. Something that can be done a lot cheaper with a cheap cable adapter and standard OBD reader. The only 2 tools I know of which can actually access the V85TT's different ECUs are the Piaggio PADS tool and the Bike Scan tool by DUONIX which is where the Guzzi Tech one comes from.
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Read this on ADVriders.
CEL=Check Engine Light
"Just got my V85TT back from the first service with around 800 miles on it. I hit 1000 miles yesterday and the check engine light came on. To the internet where I read a post about Aprilia knock sensor causing a CEL and how it is cleared with a simple slow rev to almost redline and then back to idle 3 times. So this morning I went into the garage and with the light still on after starting I slowly rev'd that motor in neutral to nearly redline and then let go of throttle for its return quickly to idle 3 times. Shut the bike off and back on and started with no CEL."
https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/moto-guzzi-v85-tt.1265870/page-1218 post 24358
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Just for info. GTM has stopped selling the Diagnostic tool which can turn off the service wrench and do a few other useful things on MG bikes. The reason given why GTM stopped selling the tool is because of the lack of manufacturer support, as in the manufacture's unwillingness or inability to provide any kind instructions on how to use their own tool. If you still want the tool you can still buy it directly from Duonix in Europe. https://www.duonix.de/en/bike-scan-2-pro/
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I'm pretty tech savvy, I got the corect Lonelec cable but could not get GuzziDiag or JPDiag to connect to the bike, JPDiag initially tried to connect but then just hung in Windows 11. Looks like my only option is the dealor or checking out the Duonix tool.
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I put GuzziDiag on my new Windows 11 laptop, got the driver for it, port came right up on device manager & matched what it said on diag properties. Start my bike & worked perfect. Just like the Windows 7 laptop that crashed.
Maybe you are missing something or have wrong port listed.
I would much better change jets in a carb...........
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I've used GuzziDiag with no problem , BUT, to be perfectly clear it was with an older laptop that had Win 7 , as they suggested :) .
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I‘m confused, can you use GuzziDiag to access the V85 ECU??
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Just the 19/20 E4.
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There's a company renting the Duonix Bike Scan Pro-2 for Motoguzzi on one of the big auction sites. I was able to rent it for about 50 and reset my service light in about 30 seconds. Worked well for my needs. Don't see the need to pay 500 or more for a tool like that for as infrequently as I will need it.
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Has anyone managed to update their license for the Bike Scan (Duonix) to the new E5+
You need to connect with the USB to laptop to capture the serial number of the scanner to purchase the upgrade license.
My screen stays off though, unless I also connect it to the bike but then it just sits there showing waiting for unit.
Any thoughts?
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There's a company renting the Duonix Bike Scan Pro-2 for Motoguzzi on one of the big auction sites. I was able to rent it for about 50 and reset my service light in about 30 seconds. Worked well for my needs. Don't see the need to pay 500 or more for a tool like that for as infrequently as I will need it.
That link to the rental is already down. Maybe someone decided to rent it forever?? :sad:
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As small and dim as it is, why pay to reset it?
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I'm tempted to buy the OBDSTAR diagnostic tool called iScan Guzzi, it supports the E5 models, can reset service, relay test, TPS zeroing and a little bit more. No one around me has that tool, I found it trough Aliexpress, and is a legit OBD tool company. can be bought for 300-320 euros.
https://www.obdstartools.eu/wholesale/iscan-guzzi-motorcycle-diagnostic.html
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I bought the OBDStar. It works. Make sure you get the extra cables that are not included
in the kit. Search this site for more info.
Tom
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I bought the OBDStar. It works. Make sure you get the extra cables that are not included
in the kit. Search this site for more info.
Tom
Oh good! Maybe HF will be selling them soon like the obd II stuff. :laugh:
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I wanted to add that on the OBDStar site when you go to the For Moto Guzzi page, there is a listing of what models
it will work with. Some it can not access the dash, for instance on a Norge (unless there has been an update). So
before buying, make sure it works for your model. And as I mentioned before, there is some more info and links if you
search here for OBDStar.
Tom
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As small and dim as it is, why pay to reset it?
The dealer that sold the '25 V85TT Euro 5+ to me said if the service light isn't reset within a reasonable time that these bikes will go into Limp-In mode. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
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The dealer that sold the '25 V85TT Euro 5+ to me said if the service light isn't reset within a reasonable time that these bikes will go into Limp-In mode. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
Pure BS. Mine was serviced 50km early for the 1500km service. When the icon came on at 1500
I didn't take the bike back for it to be reset. Now at nearly 9,000km and still going like a train.
I will have the service done as recommended at 10,000km and they can reset it then.
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The dealer that sold the '25 V85TT Euro 5+ to me said if the service light isn't reset within a reasonable time
that these bikes will go into Limp-In mode. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
Sounds like this dealer sells snake oil out the back. :grin: :grin: Turn and walk away as fast as you can!!!
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Pure BS. Mine was serviced 50km early for the 1500km service. When the icon came on at 1500
I didn't take the bike back for it to be reset. Now at nearly 9,000km and still going like a train.
I will have the service done as recommended at 10,000km and they can reset it then.
Thanks, maybe he meant to say the check engine light instead of the service light. Thanks for verifying!
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Sounds like this dealer sells snake oil out the back. :grin: :grin: Turn and walk away as fast as you can!!!
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Yeah, it sounded fishy to me too. Do you know someone with a '25 Euro 5+ bike that's riding around successfully long after the service light was due for a reset? Thanks
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I bought the OBDStar. It works. Make sure you get the extra cables that are not included
in the kit. Search this site for more info.
Tom
Does your OBDStar require an annual subscription? Their website mentions a cost for updates and a subscription fee.
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No annual subscription to use the device. IIRR you get a year of software updates for free, after that you pay the subscription if you want them. Also it can be used on multiple bikes with no extra fees, many you have to pay for a license for each bike.
Tom
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Yeah, it sounded fishy to me too. Do you know someone with a '25 Euro 5+ bike that's riding around successfully long after the service light was due for a reset? Thanks
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I have a 2025TT, and I've been ridding around for hundreds of miles with the wrench on, no limp mode. My dealer told me the wrench will come on, but it has no effect what so ever on the motorcycle. As noted it can't be turned off by the end user, but my dealer said they will turn it off any time I like for free. He says he told MG, that not allowing the owners to turn off the wrench was a bad move, but they still have not done away with it.
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No annual subscription to use the device. IIRR you get a year of software updates for free, after that you pay the subscription if you want them. Also it can be used on multiple bikes with no extra fees, many you have to pay for a license for each bike.
Tom
Thanks for the info Tom. Have the updates been helpful? Will you pay the subscription for future updates? My Triumph software is tied to my VIN, so it's only good for that bike. My BMW software is good for any BMW, similar to your Guzzi device.
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Yeah, it sounded fishy to me too. Do you know someone with a '25 Euro 5+ bike that's riding around successfully long after the service light was due for a reset? Thanks
I have a 2025TT, and I've been ridding around for hundreds of miles with the wrench on, no limp mode. My dealer told me the wrench will come on, but it has no effect what so ever on the motorcycle. As noted it can't be turned off by the end user, but my dealer said they will turn it off any time I like for free. He says he told MG, that not allowing the owners to turn off the wrench was a bad move, but they still have not done away with it.
Thanks for verifying. The service advisor at my local dealer said they charge $50 to reset the service light, and only do it on Saturdays. Just out of principle I'll probably get a Duonix or OBDStar. It'll cost me more $$ but at least I won't be giving it to the jerks at my dealer. Besides, I'll need it to check and clear any codes and flush the ABS, etc.
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Thanks for verifying. The service advisor at my local dealer said they charge $50 to reset the service light, and only do it on Saturdays. Just out of principle I'll probably get a Duonix or OBDStar. It'll cost me more $$ but at least I won't be giving it to the jerks at my dealer. Besides, I'll need it to check and clear any codes and flush the ABS, etc.
Thats a load of BS
If you get down Austin way, just stop in at AF1 and they'll do it for free
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I am not sure what the updates do...But...My best guess is add newer models and maybe add features for older ones and fix any normal software issues.
Like for instance I helped with one bike and I couldn't access the dash. Looked up on OBD's
web site and found that it will not access the dash. So....Maybe an update would change that in the future????????
So.....If I was just working on MY bike and it was working fine and had the free updates for a
year, I would likely get the last update before the free expires and be done.
Tom
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I am not sure what the updates do...But...My best guess is add newer models and maybe add features for older ones and fix any normal software issues.
Like for instance I helped with one bike and I couldn't access the dash. Looked up on OBD's
web site and found that it will not access the dash. So....Maybe an update would change that in the future????????
So.....If I was just working on MY bike and it was working fine and had the free updates for a
year, I would likely get the last update before the free expires and be done.
Tom
Thanks Tom, great info!
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Keep good maintenance records and put a piece of white tape over the wrench. Mine has been on for 20k plus miles, I just don't see it anymore.
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As it so happened, I planed to update my OBDStar the same day as JHBettsSr asked about the subscription for updates.
My subscription was running out in about a week, so I did the update/upgrades (seem to remember both words being used and in the device it's upgrades). Not hard, but it seemed like I had to do the download and it installed, but when I open a program in it, it needed another download. Not a big deal, but I don't have WiFi where I use it so I have to remember to do everything when I have WiFi.
So was "THIS" upgrade worth it......YES!! Enough that I paid for a 1 year subscription fee for update/upgrades.
Originally it covered most Guzzi's from about the V7I to IIRR V100 (but limited there). This upgrade added just about ALL FI bikes. It now covers my 2004 EVT which it did not before. There is a download on the OBDStar site that gives you a list of supported bikes and what the support is for, engine, dash and ABS. Some seem to have added the dash, but not sure.
After hooking up to my EVT, to be honest, it would NOT be worth buying it to use on it. Guzzidiag is a much easier interface to work with and it appears to show more sensors than OBDStar does, still need to play with it more. Also unless I didn't see it, it can't adjust the CO trim which Guzzidiag can.
The biggest thing lacking with it, is documentation on what all the functions do. They have a manual for it, but it's about how to setup and use the device, not what the functions do. Like for instance on a V7III I can reset the service light, but there is another function to reset the odometer. I really want to know what that does BEFORE I press the button. I think it "may" reset the service interval??? Don't know.
Hope this helps,
Tom
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It's just plain stupid of Piaggio to do this and make it a requirement to visit a dealer to get it reset unless you spend hundreds to have the ability to do it yourself and further risk interfering with your bikes computer. Imagine if automakers took this approach: I can reset the service light on all my vehicles (and my Indian Challenger) in a matter of seconds. Shouldn't be any different for a Moto Guzzi, a brand that has an average of 1.48 dealers per state (maybe even less at the rate they're closing down these days). People don't want to ride for hours and pay a dealer just to do this. It's a ploy to get dealers to service the bikes to make more profit, which I understand, but when you're a sparse as Guzzi dealers are, it's just not a good policy practice. People may be more apt to ride 30 minutes to a dealer and pay $50 for this service as opposed to 4 hours or so. Just my $.02
“Greed in business turns ambition into exploitation, where profit blinds us to the cost of integrity.”
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I agree that is is silly to not be able to reset the service wrench but it is hardly noticeable so it can stay where it is.
I keep record of my service intervals anyways and have never depended on a dash indicator to tell me when to do it on any vehicle.
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This is nothing new. The service wrench on my 2011 Triumph has been on since the second oil change. Dealer did the first one. I agree its a dumb move by all concerned but with a world now filled with tort lawyers I am not surprised.
Pete
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Like mentioned above the service wrench icon is teeny and unobtrusive I don't see the big deal with it at all. My 2 cents.
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Not sure how many people here have an UpMap, but on the E5 Aprilias (same 11MP ECU as the E5 Guzzis) they're able to clear the wrench icon. I'm hoping that functionality will be added for us too...
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Like mentioned above the service wrench icon is teeny and unobtrusive I don't see the big deal with it at all. My 2 cents.
My '23 v85 travel wrench light came on recently, I have to look hard to see it. I'm used to the tpms light "on" too, waiting on a new module, shoulda just left that unpluged.
Not sure how many people here have an UpMap, but on the E5 Aprilias (same 11MP ECU as the E5 Guzzis) they're able to clear the wrench icon. I'm hoping that functionality will be added for us too...
Yeah, it would be nice if a program (update) by MG could be loaded so we can clear the wrench light/turn it off ourselves. Or an inexpensive obdII type of thing for the wrench light cancel and read/clear other diagnostics.
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I hope somebody comes up with a way to turn it off, not for me, but for you guys suffering OCD.
Hell, all of my Guzzi's since my 07 B1100 have had the wrench icon, and I could even turn it off myself on the Breva, but I just left it, as I couldn't be bothered to turn it off. It is a bit more intrusive on the V85, and I assume the V100, as the TFT gives it to you in color. Good luck fellas.