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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mwether on April 26, 2024, 01:01:09 PM
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Hi, all.
Went to look at the Nevada near me, and it looks very good.
Only concern is that, on both sides, two or three fins above the head gasket seam have a TINY bit of tacky film on them. If there is indeed a minute weep at the head gasket, it seems to be depositing above the seam...can the wind create that phenomenon? (It's definitely not coming down from from the valve cover gasket.)
Other than that, it's in outstanding shape cosmetically. Paint and clear coat are excellent. Plastics and rubber are dark, flexible, and not faded. Everything works as it should. Fork seals seem good. Test ride didn't get above third gear but the engine seems great.
Owner is a very nice guy. He's come down from the posted price of $4250. Says he has $3800 invested, and that's as low as he can go. What do you think? Fair price?
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It looks just like mine. Bought mine a couple of years, at about that price, less mile. Paul
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I'm also in long-distance love with this 2001 California Special in upstate NY, which I think is the prettiest Cali (after the CalVins). :drool:
Some bags on this would look as close to a modern Ambo/Eldo as anything I can think of. Much better than the 1400 Eldo, IMO.
It's got the same mileage as the Nevada but is rougher cosmetically. It's also $800 less, at the $3000 asking price. If I could get it for $2800, then the question becomes whether the Nevada is worth a grand more?!
In the Nevada's favor is, first, that it's 20 minutes down the road, so I'd save any travel/lodging costs associated with a trip to New York and back. Second, the Nevada is probably the better bike for (small, old, and weak :laugh:) me, since the Cali is at least a 1/3rd again bigger/more cumbersome and likely more power than I truly need for typical Western NC roads.
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To me that seems quite high for a Nevada considering V7s are going for that price, such as this 2013 V7 in Indian Trail, NC which is advertised for $3510 with 11,000 miles, and these are asking prices.
(https://i.ibb.co/YQZBJRk/429546356-929492465337443-4039581245119681792-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YQZBJRk)
Or this 2015 with 6900 miles for $3990
(https://i.ibb.co/9srVk0Y/432940302-10159461213466193-4485333153785620300-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9srVk0Y)
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Nevadas are rare and some folks are willing to pay accordingly,although the newer 750s are probably better from a performance standpoint.
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The Cali will fit the bill if you're planning on touring out of state and having a pax. The Nevada will feel cramped if two up. Capable for solo riding. If you're 6' or more the California would be a better fit.
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Personally, I consider a V7 to be twice as valuable as a Nevada, because if I bought the latter, I would have to change a lot for it to suit my preferences. However, everything is worth what you are willing to part with. I think it is better to buy with emotions than thinking about resale value, because emotions usually cause more happiness than resale value.
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The Cali will fit the bill if you're planning on touring out of state and having a pax. The Nevada will feel cramped if two up. Capable for solo riding. If you're 6' or more the California would be a better fit.
5'8" and my wife hates bikes, so I'm good here! :grin:
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All I know is my Nevada is the easiest, smoothest bike I've ever had for pushing or loading in the truck. Paul
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The Nevada is going to be a lot easier to live with than a Cali if you're 5'8". They are a highly underrated bike. Capable of doing whatever you might ask of it. As to the head gaskets perhaps weeping? I don't think it's a deal killer. Worst comes to worst you could have someone, or you, pop the heads off and put new gaskets in, but might just need the heads torque'd. One the other hand might be something you just live with and clean them up a couple time a year. It's a nice looking bike, and relatively rare, but without the having the downfall of most rare bikes! Also, hard t really put a commodity value on such a beast, $3800 seems like a completely fair price to me.
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To me that seems quite high for a Nevada considering V7s are going for that price, such as this 2013 V7 in Indian Trail, NC which is advertised for $3510 with 11,000 miles, and these are asking prices.
(https://i.ibb.co/YQZBJRk/429546356-929492465337443-4039581245119681792-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YQZBJRk)
Or this 2015 with 6900 miles for $3990
(https://i.ibb.co/9srVk0Y/432940302-10159461213466193-4485333153785620300-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9srVk0Y)
Agreed on overpriced. When the seller gets to about $1200 it might be worth it as a beater. Might be.
Trust me at or near even 2K+ that bike is not leaving the sellers garage.
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Agreed on overpriced. When the seller gets to about $1200 it might be worth it as a beater. Might be.
Trust me at or near even 2K+ that bike is not leaving the sellers garage.
A beater?? Why so much hate for Nevadas? :laugh:
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All I know is my Nevada is the easiest, smoothest bike I've ever had for pushing or loading in the truck. Paul
This will not be true of the Nevada in my garage...I have a 150cc Piaggio Liberty! :grin:
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I’d do a fly/ride on the Cali.
All the reufull neck rubbing and sage advice from the sidelines is just mud in the water. Go and get the Cali and ride it home….Done !
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I would think spare parts would be much more available and cheaper for the Cali. Plus- that old big block motor is just SO MUCH FUN.
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Nevadas are rare and some folks are willing to pay accordingly,although the newer 750s are probably better from a performance standpoint.
Just because something is rare and/or old does not mean it is valuable. That is the case with the Nevada, Breva and most small blocks new or old.
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Tough call..any paperwork for maintenance laying around ? Be aware some early small blocks had disappearing oil quantities…some did some didn’t…
3rd gear at 6000rpm and that smallblock motor sounds like a swiss watch
No luggage at all? Figure $1k for either bike for racks and hardbags, less w soft luggage
Id suggest shopping more, maybe try a few v7’s just to make sure the Nevada seating is what you would like. There are some excellent foot rests available for the Nevada…they mount on the crashbar…oops no crashbar..$200 for the bar, another $150 for the footrests
How long has it been listed? It’s likely your the only phone call he’s gotten..
Moto Guzzi has gotten so successful with the smallblocks it’s driving the prices down!
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The Calli is a fine bike and you will most likely get most of the money back if it is too big. And it probably is.
I would be on the phone for the red 2015 v7. Last of the well sorted heron heads with the 5 speed that I feel is much better in the mountains than a 6 speed. It's the only one with tubeless tires also.
Unfortunately, any owner who thinks he will get his investment back on a used Guzzi is nuts! Nevads never sold new for a reason and 3 years ago it would have sold at $2600 or less.
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This might be an option also.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7639450159456894/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
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Just because something is rare and/or old does not mean it is valuable. That is the case with the Nevada, Breva and most small blocks new or old.
I bought a honda305 Dream in 1965 for 460$,over 5000$ today.Value for Guzzis is subjective,he is not buying it for resale but because it will be the best fit for his expected riding and he thinks it is cool.Makes sense.
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This might be an option also.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7639450159456894/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
Thanks. I saw that one. I don't think the Stone can compete with the Special on looks.
Plus the Special is set up perfectly, IMO: No floorboards but double disk in front! :thumb:
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Tough call..any paperwork for maintenance laying around ? Be aware some early small blocks had disappearing oil quantities…some did some didn’t…
3rd gear at 6000rpm and that smallblock motor sounds like a swiss watch
No luggage at all? Figure $1k for either bike for racks and hardbags, less w soft luggage
Id suggest shopping more, maybe try a few v7’s just to make sure the Nevada seating is what you would like. There are some excellent foot rests available for the Nevada…they mount on the crashbar…oops no crashbar..$200 for the bar, another $150 for the footrests
How long has it been listed? It’s likely your the only phone call he’s gotten..
Moto Guzzi has gotten so successful with the smallblocks it’s driving the prices down!
Very helpful, thanks! There's pretty good documentation from the seller. (He's only had it about two months and is selling because he bought a used V7.) The guy he bought from kept pretty good records.
Your post also emphasizes the utter lack of farkles, except for the backrest/luggage rack, which I think is ugly.
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After reading every post and shopping some more, I think you all have helped me elucidate what I'm looking for, namely a (more) modern MIDSIZE "Ambo/Eldo with solo seat" aesthetic.
Even with a proper screen and bags, a red Nevada will never get there. A black one might get close...
The Cali Special is VERY close, except for the size and heft. My concern is that I'd ride it back from New York thinking, "This thing is tremendous." (Because it WOULD be for that sort of interstate travel.) Only to get back home and think, "This thing is a pig."
Any solo seat I've seen for the V7s is a cafe style. Maybe there's something else out there?
What model Guzzi (with midsize displacement) do you think would work for this? Is there even such a thing...?
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...Any solo seat I've seen for the V7s is a cafe style. Maybe there's something else out there?
Hmm...
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=107220.0
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I bought a honda305 Dream in 1965 for 460$,over 5000$ today.Value for Guzzis is subjective,he is not buying it for resale but because it will be the best fit for his expected riding and he thinks it is cool.Makes sense.
1965 dollar adjusted to 2024 is $9.70.
9.70 x 450 = $4,365 in today's money. So, the Honda Dream did not increase by $4,500 it increased by around $500 dollars. So if you kept the $460 Honda Dream for 60 year and sold it in 2024 for $5000 you lost probably lost money, a lot of money.
Agreed not every bike is an investment or resale but its still no reason to pay well over market value.
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OMG that’s a deal!
Blue on blue 98 EV, 20k miles
Just serviced by Hamlin
Bags, rack, windshield
$2600
Southbury CT
This will last about one day…
https://www.facebook.com/share/UTJsTDjGZMRqz2x2/?mibextid=79PoIi
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My point was that if the bike was what he really wanted, then there is nothing wrong with paying $3800. It's not like there are an easy dozen out there two choose from. Sounds like he's really not all that into the Nevada.
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My point was that if the bike was what he really wanted, then there is nothing wrong with paying $3800. It's not like there are an easy dozen out there two choose from. ...
Egg-zachary! If a Nevada were my dream bike, I probably wouldn't be on here asking you guys what it was worth. I'd be bargaining with the guy to get it!
I texted the seller that I just couldn't get myself to $3800, with Gen. 1 V7s selling around that price. He was going to take it to a local show today, to see if there was any interest and let me know this afternoon if he still had it. The show is for bikes at least 35 years old, so buyers there may not be interested in a sixteen-year-old. We'll soon see...
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Has paint damage on the tank, so maybe you can knock another $500 off. That would get you to 3800 miles for $3500.
https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88 (https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88)
-AJ
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Has paint damage on the tank, so maybe you can knock another $500 off. That would get you to 3800 miles for $3500.
https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88 (https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88)
-AJ
Bargain :gotpics: :drool:
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FWIW, I find the 1100 EV/Cali to be quite low in the seat and very easy to manage, despite the weight. In other words, they carry their weight very well.
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Has paint damage on the tank, so maybe you can knock another $500 off. That would get you to 3800 miles for $3500.
https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88 (https://www.facebook.com/share/ADv5b7hvJ7tMceWJ/?mibextid=kL3p88)
-AJ
Great find. Already sold.
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Bargain :gotpics: :drool:
And its sold.
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For what I understand your looking for, a 1100 Cali type would not fit the bill. I have an '04 EVT. I hate it around town. I LOVE it on the highways. The last time I tipped it over, I could not right it by myself. They are a fairly top heavy bike. It rides great, but making a U turn is a chore because it has a very narrow fork stop to stop compared to my Loops and even my R75/5 or HD. I want to turn the bars a bit more and can't. That is why I tipped it over, slow speed in a parking lot and hit fork stop and to correct, needed a bit more travel.
You really might want to look at the V7 series. I do not own one, but I have test ridden a few. Not too heavy, not too tall. Solo it will take you down the road at 70mph or more. But.......
I would run like heck from a '16 model, maybe even '15. Some had issues with the crankshaft thrust washers. If it does, not a cheap fix. Everything before and after, are decent solid bikes.
Hope this helps a bit,
Tom
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That was just some of the 2016 V7II Stones. The 15 is bullet prooff and 17+ is too.
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I'm not a fan of threads that just peter out with no resolution.
So in the interest of SOME degree of closure—to this chapter, anyway—the seller of the Nevada got a deposit on the bike from a guy at the Meltdown (Hendersonville, NC) yesterday. https://www.tonuphighlands.com/
The buyer's scheduled to come back up from SC today and finalize the deal.
I'm still on the quest.
TBC...
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You snooze you lose.In 1971 I had a chance to buy an Ambassador for 1000$ but I couldn’t decide .Whe I called a couple days later it was long gone.I didn’t get my first Guzzi until 1979.
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You snooze you lose.
Yep."He who hesitates is lost."
But also, "Look before you leap." Finding the golden mean between those two can be tough!
I also think it's a "loss" to buy quickly, if you're not positive about the purchase. The Nevada was close but not exactly right. I couldn't quite shake the '80s Virago memories it evoked....
...In 1971 I had a chance to buy an Ambassador for 1000$ but I couldn’t decide.
According to the Internetz, that's $7700 in "today dollars." I get the hesitation! :grin:
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The last time I tipped it over, I could not right it by myself. They are a fairly top heavy bike.
I have crashed more bikes than I have dropped, but the only one dropped that caused serious effort to right, was by CBF1000A. Despite being only about 570 lbs wet, it was a heave and a half to get back onto its wheels (I thought I had put the side stand down, but had not :rolleyes: ) Every other bike I have lifted, I have just grabbed the handlebars and raised them, no struggle. Obviously, CoG matter quite a bit, not just the weight.
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...the seller of the Nevada got a deposit on the bike...
The buyer's scheduled to come back up from SC today and finalize the deal.
Deal fell through. The seller is now offering it to me at $3450, which is still too high, I think.
In fact, he'd have to come down well below $3K, since I've pretty much moved on mentally. It's funny how you can be pretty gung-ho about a bike, then do a little more reading/learning, and decide it's not quite right.
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Deal fell through. The seller is now offering it to me at $3450, which is still too high, I think.
In fact, he'd have to come down well below $3K, since I've pretty much moved on mentally. It's funny how you can pretty gung-ho about a bike, then do a little more reading/learning, and decide it's not quite right.
I think it was Perazzimix who said it, that Nevada is a $1200 bike in VA. If you can find one.
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I think it was Perazzimix who said it, that Nevada is a $1200 bike in VA. If you can find one.
Deal fell through.....how convenient? Seller trying to whip a buyer into a frenzy that isn't there.
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...Seller trying to whip a buyer into a frenzy that isn't there.
I was a little whipped after the test ride, but I never got frothy! :grin:
"Just walk away, Renee..."
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I think much of the decision comes down to what you are looking for in a motorcycle. There are tons of options in the sub 3-4K range. There is a huge difference between the small block and big block motors and the motorcycles themselves.
The Nevada is unique in that it is still a twin throttle body V7 motor and has a unique look some love and some hate. All of the later v7s are a single throttle body. I recently acquired a 2004 Breva 750 that has a virtually identical motor. I bought the bike mainly due to its pristine condition and hopes that it was one my wife could ride. That ship sailed pretty quick when even after two and a half inch lower shocks and fork drop left her unable to comfortably flat foot both feet.
I'm keeping it as a fun local poke about bike and one that I can comfortably ride and manage as I get older. FWIW, I paid $3K for it with 12K miles and in pristine condition needing nothing.
I also have a v7ii Stornello for SB comparison. As much as I absolutely love the stornello, I have to say in comparing both, I prefer the twin throttle body feel of the Breva over the store nello for slower speeds. There's just something rich and full and how that little motor feels.
That said, there is no comparing a small block to a big block motor. When I only ride the small blocks, I find myself completely satisfied as they are wonderful balanced and rewarding motorcycles. That gets completely shot to Hades when I throw a leg over the Griso or 1200 Sport.
The great thing in all of this is there are a ton of great options to choose from in that price range. Take your time and figure out what it is you really want. Do you want to deal with tubes? Do you want something light and fun and easy to move around? Will you spend a lot of time on major roads and highway speeds or just local and country roads? Do you plan to mount luggage? At 5'8" seat height also matters. Some of the v7s can be a bit tall in the seat.
If you like the look of the Nevada, This looks like a very well sorted bike. I would offer him $3000 cash in person, and be willing to come up a bit if he doesn't bite. If you're going to keep the bike forever then the offered $3400 sounds like a deal. If you think you may flip it in a year or two, be prepared to not break even.
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...The Nevada is unique in that it is still a twin throttle body V7 motor ...I prefer the twin throttle body feel of the Breva over the store nello for slower speeds. There's just something rich and full and how that little motor feels.
Agreed. I definitely noticed this but didn't know it was attributable to the twin TBs.
That said, there is no comparing a small block to a big block motor. When I only ride the small blocks, I find myself completely satisfied as they are wonderful balanced and rewarding motorcycles. That gets completely shot to Hades when I throw a leg over the Griso or 1200 Sport.
I'd better not ride a big block then. Ignorance is bliss! :grin:
If you like the look of the Nevada, This looks like a very well sorted bike. I would offer him $3000 cash in person, and be willing to come up a bit if he doesn't bite. If you're going to keep the bike forever then the offered $3400 sounds like a deal. If you think you may flip it in a year or two, be prepared to not break even.
Thanks. It IS an excellent example of the breed, I'm just not in love with the looks. However, I do find it more timeless than the baby Breva styling. I could talk myself into the Sportster/Virago vibe at the $1200 level some are throwing around (though I see zero signs that's realistic anywhere in the country as of right now), but not at $3K. Rationalizing a motorcycle purchase is always complex. If we did that consistently, we'd all be on Honda NT700Vs/Deauvilles...which I like too! :grin:
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The Virago 1100, more so than the 750, are excellent bikes in every way save for their looks and flaccid shock absorbers.
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Agreed. I definitely noticed this but didn't know it was attributable to the twin TBs.
I'd better not ride a big block then. Ignorance is bliss! :grin:
Thanks. It IS an excellent example of the breed, I'm just not in love with the looks. However, I do find it more timeless than the baby Breva styling. I could talk myself into the Sportster/Virago vibe at the $1200 level some are throwing around (though I see zero signs that's realistic anywhere in the country as of right now), but not at $3K. Rationalizing a motorcycle purchase is always complex. If we did that consistently, we'd all be on Honda NT700Vs/Deauvilles...which I like too! :grin:
Bite your tongue!
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Hey! I would like to defend the Deauville :bow: At least the 650, as I have not ridden the 700. It is a very practical motorcycle with surprisingly good handling and excellent comfort. There are two important negatives; the weather support south of your hip is poor (despite extra fairing lowers) and there is a very noticeable amount of vibrations reaching the handlebars.
This is the rear Michelin from my Dullville, a statement to its cornering abilities
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Hey! I would like to defend the Deauville :bow: At least the 650, as I have not ridden the 700. It is a very practical motorcycle with surprisingly good handling and excellent comfort. There are two important negatives; the weather support south of your hip is poor (despite extra fairing lowers) and there is a very noticeable amount of vibrations reaching the handlebars.
This is the rear Michelin from my Dullville, a statement to its cornering abilities
Rear tire off my Busa. Notice the chicken strips :drool:
(https://i.ibb.co/cYRxxx5/download-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYRxxx5)
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I would love to have another Sportster in the garage if for nothing more than being able to listen to the exhaust notes. In my neck of the woods finding one for $5,000 or less would be neigh on impossible. Prices have even gone up after Harley canned the Evolution models.
kk
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Rear tire off my Busa. Notice the chicken strips :drool:
(https://i.ibb.co/cYRxxx5/download-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYRxxx5)
:grin: :thumb:
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Hey! I would like to defend the Deauville :bow:
In all seriousness, I find the NT very compelling—as an incredibly "logical" motorcycle.
Whether bikes should be logical is another question...
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Then again, I also wanted a Pacific Coast! :grin:
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I would love to have another Sportster in the garage if for nothing more than being able to listen to the exhaust notes. In my neck of the woods finding one for $5,000 or less would be neigh on impossible. Prices have even gone up after Harley canned the Evolution models.
kk
My brother owns a 1977 Sporster that he rides all year round. During winter, he fits studded tires.
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In all seriousness, I find the NT very compelling—as an incredibly "logical" motorcycle.
Spot on.
Whether bikes should be logical is another question...
Definitely.
Then again, I also wanted a Pacific Coast! :grin:
#Me too.
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I would love to have another Sportster in the garage if for nothing more than being able to listen to the exhaust notes. In my neck of the woods finding one for $5,000 or less would be neigh on impossible. Prices have even gone up after Harley canned the Evolution models.
kk
Get a Buell Uly and then you can have a functional, comfortable, well handling motorcycle that emits the exhaust note you are yearning for at a decent price point. Nice examples can be had in the $2,500 to $4,500 range.
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I would love to have another Sportster in the garage if for nothing more than being able to listen to the exhaust notes. In my neck of the woods finding one for $5,000 or less would be neigh on impossible. Prices have even gone up after Harley canned the Evolution models.
kk
Too bad you are on the wrong coast. I could sell you one with a 1250 kit still in the box for that :)
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I also have a v7ii Stornello for SB comparison. As much as I absolutely love the stornello, I have to say in comparing both, I prefer the twin throttle body feel of the Breva over the store nello for slower speeds. There's just something rich and full and how that little motor feels.
Agreed. I definitely noticed this but didn't know it was attributable to the twin TBs.
I kinda feel that way about comparing my 2013 MkI 1TB Heron Head motor to my 2018 V7III 1TB Hemi Head motor.
I wonder if the difference is similar?
I always attributed it to the Heron vs Hemi head, but obviously the V7II is Heron too.
If the difference is similar, I wonder if it's not the 1TB vs 2TB but if is the 5-speed vs the 6-speed?!?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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I would love to have another Sportster in the garage if for nothing more than being able to listen to the exhaust notes. In my neck of the woods finding one for $5,000 or less would be neigh on impossible. Prices have even gone up after Harley canned the Evolution models.
kk
I gave one away a few years ago...
...but I would still buy the right one today.
My little bro texted a CX Roadster that's for sale locally in the $6k range. I'd be lying if I didn't say it was tempting for USD forks and dual 4-pot from brakes.
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Agreed. I definitely noticed this but didn't know it was attributable to the twin TBs.
I kinda feel that way about comparing my 2013 MkI 1TB Heron Head motor to my 2018 V7III 1TB Hemi Head motor.
I wonder if the difference is similar?
I always attributed it to the Heron vs Hemi head, but obviously the V7II is Heron too.
If the difference is similar, I wonder if it's not the 1TB vs 2TB but if is the 5-speed vs the 6-speed?!?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Kev,
Its really all about personal preference and how the motor feels. I feel exactly the same way when comparing the v7ii to the v7iii.
I prefer the heron head to the hemi head. I would love to compare the Breva to a v7iii.
And ultimate performance the Stornello clearly has more pep power than the Breva, Just in the same way the iii
Has over the ii. Sure, if you're interested in maximum power and performance/smoothness, go for the newer models.
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I gave one away a few years ago...
...but I would still buy the right one today.
My little bro texted a CX Roadster that's for sale locally in the $6k range. I'd be lying if I didn't say it was tempting for USD forks and dual 4-pot from brakes.
The 568lb wet weight is a bit off putting.
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The 568lb wet weight is a bit off putting.
Meh, I mean we all have our limits, most CARCs and Calis weighed in that range too, but I sold an 800# RK last year so none of that sounds heavy to me, even if I am enjoying riding a bunch of featherweights.