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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: redrider90 on June 12, 2024, 08:44:21 PM
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My Hyundai Sonata locked up with 87K on it. The Theta II where notorious for engine failures because Hyundai/Kia did not clean the oil passages after milling the engines. All the aluminum dust was left and many thought of miles later the bearings failed. Hyundai had a class action law suit so my engine was covered under a lifetime warranty. So a few days ago I get my car back with a new long block in it. Today I kept hearing my brain say check the oil. So I check the oil and it was over filled by a whopping 2 1/2 quarts!!! I though at first maybe they put the wrong dipstick in it. But the only way to know is drain it. So I drained it and it filled my drain pan to the top. I measured off just shy of 5 quarts (oil filter was full) and poured that in the engine. It was spot on. Then I poured the over filled oil into a opaque 1 gallon container. That was half full. I measured it at 2 1/2 quarts.
Now what am I faced with as possibilities if there is any damage. 1st thing is the engine only had 60 miles on it with the extra oil. But can I expect damage even with just 60 miles on it with 2 1/2 extra quarts. I didn't dare drive it anywhere even back to the dealer. I didn't think to have it towed. So I just fixed the problem. I was jacked up pissed and now that I have come down I am wondering what the thoughts out here might be. I plan on going over to the service manage and stick this jug of extra oil in his face but can 60 miles with that much oil damage it in 60 miles. I've been researching it but nothing yet that I can hold on to.
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My Hyundai Sonata locked up with 87K on it. The Theta II where notorious for engine failures because Hyundai/Kia did not clean the oil passages after milling the engines. All the aluminum dust was left and many thought of miles later the bearings failed. Hyundai had a class action law suit so my engine was covered under a lifetime warranty. So a few days ago I get my car back with a new long block in it. Today I kept hearing my brain say check the oil. So I check the oil and it was over filled by a whopping 2 1/2 quarts!!! I though at first maybe they put the wrong dipstick in it. But the only way to know is drain it. So I drained it and it filled my drain pan to the top. I measured off just shy of 5 quarts (oil filter was full) and poured that in the engine. It was spot on. Then I poured the over filled oil into a opaque 1 gallon container. That was half full. I measured it at 2 1/2 quarts.
Now what am I faced with as possibilities if there is any damage. 1st thing is the engine only had 60 miles on it with the extra oil. But can I expect damage even with just 60 miles on it with 2 1/2 extra quarts. I didn't dare drive it anywhere even back to the dealer. I didn't think to have it towed. So I just fixed the problem. I was jacked up pissed and now that I have come down I am wondering what the thoughts out here might be. I plan on going over to the service manage and stick this jug of extra oil in his face but can 60 miles with that much oil damage it in 60 miles. I've been researching it but nothing yet that I can hold on to.
It's super unlikely any damage was done...
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No point going to jail over a couple quarts of oil but I would definitely let the dealer know just in case of an issue then it is documented
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I would say next to zero chance of any issues. Perhaps if you sat at maximum rpm for some time, you could have caused the oil to foam and the oil pump then sucking air and not circulating any more, but even that is unlikely.
Here you can have a look what happens when you REALLY overfill with oil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaTbfvzNbxQ&pp=ygUWb3ZlcmZpbGxpbmcgb2lsIGluIGNhcg%3D%3D
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Ring the Dealer, ask them how to proceed, get them to confirm their advice in writing/email, if they will not then contact the importer directly and repeat the process of getting a written confirmation, if still no luck contact the manufacturer directly and repeat again.
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Since the OP has already acted, I personally would not say anything. The longblock is under warranty, I presume, and admitting you have done anything - other than perhaps siphoning out oil via the dipstick.
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Yes, but, the dumb Sh** that overfilled it needs to be told! And to think he replaced the engine....
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I measured it at 2 1/2 quarts.
I'm a believer in "Trust, but verify".
You don't change the oil yourself without checking the level, so why would you let someone else change the oil without checking the level?
Be thankful they put too much oil in instead of the opposite.
If you feel betrayed, then it might be time to trade the car in.
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Personally anytime I've had a catastrophic failure like that on a vehicle I take it as an omen to get rid of it as soon as it's sorted out. I'd be especially inclined to do so after the mechanic made a mistake like that. Maybe replace it with something not known to have the original swarf issue, and a different make so you don't have reason to bring it back to the same mechanic.
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Wait, what base and brand oil was it?
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Wait, what base and brand oil was it?
Let me see if I can get a photo of the oil uploaded. I have 2 quarts of oil with a high beam LED shinning on the containers. You cannot see through the engine oil but you can see through the new unused Castor Oil. The used oil (60 miles) is not ugly dark like oil with 5K miles on it but you can see how dark it is.
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(https://i.ibb.co/YXqqYDv/IMG-0120.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXqqYDv)
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Since the OP has already acted, I personally would not say anything. The longblock is under warranty, I presume, and admitting you have done anything - other than perhaps siphoning out oil via the dipstick.
I never thought about saying I siphoned the oil. I drained the whole block and the measured just under 5 quarts and put it back in and then what was left ended up in the gallon jug.
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Since the OP has already acted, I personally would not say anything. The longblock is under warranty, I presume, and admitting you have done anything - other than perhaps siphoning out oil via the dipstick.
Actually I believe they remanufactured a short block and then add a new top end. According to the paper work it reads like that. Hyundai and Kia had hundreds of thousands of failures.
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Personally I'd be extra leery about that. Remanufactured engines get churned out and quality control can be all over the place.
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I never thought about saying I siphoned the oil. I drained the whole block and the measured just under 5 quarts and put it back in and then what was left ended up in the gallon jug.
You could have stopped when the level was correct.
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You could have stopped when the level was correct.
the car sits very low to he ground and the real drain plug is hard to get at even with my 6'5" body. It has to go up on ramps. I had not idea how much it was over filled so I drained it all. Plus there was always a chance as a rebuilt it could have had an incorrect dipstick length. As for the siphon I didn't think of that. I even have a siphon sitting in the shop brand new. I still got the correct level. But I called the dealer this morning and asked to speak to the Service Manager and they said what, for so I told them. 2 hours later no response. BTW here is the biggie. I asked what color is new Sonata oil and he said amber. So I am not starting that engine nor driving it. If they refuse to help me it sits in the car port Hyundia and I call Hyu If I get stuck with it I change the oil a couple of times in the next 100 miles with new filters. That oil is compromised.
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If it's worth a little money to you, you can send a sample of that oil to Blackstone or Speeddiagnostix to have it tested.
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If it's worth a little money to you, you can send a sample of that oil to Blackstone or Speeddiagnostix to have it tested.
I already put aside 8 oz and will be sending it to Blackstone for analysis.
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https://youtu.be/VaTbfvzNbxQ?si=-Xw5KVfpWCtfUFNj
Vid on too much oil
Might put your mind at ease, he takes it to the limit
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So after 30 minutes on the phone with the shop manager who refused to believe that the engine was overfilled. He also said that car left with 5 quarts of fresh oil. He claimed his tech is top notch (I never said his tech was the problem).
He came and got the car after I told him I refused to drive it even after taking out 2 1/2 quarts. He calls me the next day and he said he had 2 master mechanics look at the car and it was ok. He refused to look at the oil I drained off and sent with the car. Attached is how he wrote up the problem which is a complete and total lie. I have the call with him recorded. He refused to come out of his hiding hole and face me. I first refused to sign but then added something to the copy that was going to be filed at the company. I got a copy of that. I'll await Blackstone analysis and proceed from there. Even if Blackstone said the oil is good it was still overfilled big time. I immediately changed the oil and filter after coming home. I also called and asked for the CEO name and address of Sports Group which sells 3 brands.
(https://i.ibb.co/Qbk3kdg/Hyundai.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qbk3kdg)