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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Luap McKeever on July 25, 2024, 08:56:00 AM
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The bug I seem to have for the V100S hasn't yet subsided as I'd hoped. So, before I make a potentially regrettable decision, I thought I'd ask some questions from those "in the know" to help me out. I'm hoping for transparency here.
First, a little about me: I'm 5'11", 185 lbs, with a 34" inseam. I like to ride a minimum of 200 miles whenever I saddle up. So, let's dive in:
All-Day Comfort: How is the bike's comfort for all-day rides? I'm considering upgrading to the taller touring windshield, but how does it fare on real-world, 400-600 mile days? What are the best aftermarket seat options?
Maintenance: How tough is the regular maintenance, especially valve adjustments? I've read some horror stories about shims. I'm not well-versed in that, and the idea of a 5-hour round trip to a dealer is unappealing. I do all the work on my other three Guzzis, but this seems like a different beast.
Common Issues: What kind of bugs or common issues should I be aware of?
Luggage: How good is the luggage, if you have it? It looks adequate, but I would like real reviews on its water resistance and overall functionality. Does it remove easily?
Test Offers: Any Aprilia or Guzzi enthusiasts out there willing to let me "test" one for a couple of years in exchange for a real-world review?
Pre-Purchase Insights: What do you wish you had known before purchasing?
Regrets: Any honest regrets?
Passenger Comfort: How do your passengers find the comfort?
Additional Thoughts: If there's anything else you'd like to share, please do. Also, there are some great deals out there on 23' models. Wondering if any changes took place between 23 and 24?
I'm considering trading my Indian Challenger for one. I love the Challenger, but admittedly, it's getting heavy, and the maintenance is a bit pricey since I let the dealer handle it all while it's under the extended warranty. It's comfortable, reliable (32K trouble free so far), powerful, fast, nimble, and having a dealer 20 minutes away is a great perk. So, I'd be losing that convenience as my closest dealer is 150 miles away.
This is how I'd set mine up (to compliment the V85TT), but adding a taller screen and heated seat.
(https://i.ibb.co/Db1g3KT/v100s.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Db1g3KT)
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With your inseam why isn't the new Stelvio in the running?
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With your inseam why isn't the new Stelvio in the running?
Because the V85TT fills that need :thumb:
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I can't speak to all of the questions but I will take a stab at the few that I can answer.
It is almost as good as the V85TT for all day comfort, which means it is very good.
I haven't had a single regret or issue with the bike. It handles very well and has all the power I need these days. A riding buddy has a Tuono. I tell him that the V100S is a mature rider's Tuono. :grin:
It has more than met my initial expectations which were quite high. It fuels absolutely perfectly as-is from the factory. This is the first Guzzi I have felt needs no tuning help. It's so perfect I am not tempted to fool with it at all.
The factory saddle bags are decent. They remind me of the Norge bags. I'm not a huge fan of side opening bags but they do the job.
I can't speak to servicing it yet, but I don't anticipate any problems.
If you want to pick the brain of a fellow that has ridden the pants off of his V100S stop over to ADV and look up Florida Lime. He has a lot of miles on his already and posts a lot about it.
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Can't say anything about the bike in ? but will say this; if you really have the itch, scratch it!!! There are 4 or 5 I wish I had bought when I could still ride. Can't think of one good reason why I didn't!!!!!
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I can comment on the panniers, that they are pretty good for factory side-load, plastic bags. They mount easily and securely. I had them overloaded on my 6,000+ mile ride and they tolerated it fine. No water leaking but I wasn't in a lot of rain just a few short downpours. My reference is the exact same panniers on my Stelvio.
The 2024 Mandello received the same update/improvements made to the transmission that came on the 2024 Stelvio, back cut gears and changes to the clutch to improve shifting.
Even though I'm a little smaller than you (5-11" w/32" inseam) I found the Mandello to be a little cramped, which is why I waited for the roomier Stelvio. I also have a V85 and feel they compliment each other. Yes they are both adventure bikes but they ride and feel quite different.
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I test rode a barely used one that had peg lowering on it. I would highly recommend that. I also have ridden the base and the S. Ohlins suspension is nearly impossible to beat if you can step up to the S. The standard is good, but the Ohlins is sublime. The saddle holds you in one place pretty much, so make sure you like it or consider an after market. Engine is superb. I was shocked at how well the wings worked for me when deployed. There was simply no buffeting and it was super smooth. Good luck.
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I have a V100S as well, but it's still so new I can't comment much on your questions ! I only have a few hundred miles on it, but so far its great. I'm 5'11, 34 inch inseam and it fits me very well, However, I may get some lowered pegs for a little more leg room. I put a sheepskin on the seat and don't see the need for any further seat modification. Givi tanklock bag and I ordered some Hepco-Becker X-Core side cases, but they haven't come in yet. These cases are top loading and watertight. They have other larger top loading options too. The dash takes some getting used to, I find the menus un-intuitive. The catalytic converter gets really hot at stops. The stock windscreen was a bit too short for me, so I drilled new holes on a leftover OEM Norge windscreen and that seems about perfect for me. The performance of the bike way exceeds my abilities as a rider, but it still seems "friendly" and excellent to ride.
(https://i.ibb.co/sqjnSRv/IMG-9215.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sqjnSRv)
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I'll be the negative Nelli!
Remember the teething problems of the 1400? The 19/20 v85?
If it was my money I'd buy the first 2025 that hits the dealers floor. They seem to make all the necessary changes the second or third year.
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If I were you, I would buy one. I have purchased two first year Guzzi so far, and had no real issues with either. Good luck.
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Luap,
I'm surprised you'd even consider this after the screwin' you got on your last new Guzzi :wink:
But it is an awesome lookin' thing!
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Luap,
I'm surprised you'd even consider this after the screwin' you got on your last new Guzzi :wink:
But it is an awesome lookin' thing!
All the more reason to go ahead..
I’d be powerless to walk away from the Stelvio though.
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Luap,
I'm surprised you'd even consider this after the screwin' you got on your last new Guzzi :wink:
But it is an awesome lookin' thing!
That's why I'm considering the 2nd year version. Maybe some of the kinks are worked out.
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Richard T seems to have had zero issues and he's got tens of thousands on miles on his. First year bike.
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Not sure how much you are enjoying riding off the beaten path with the V85TT, But if I had your stable and wanted a liquid cooled Moto Guzzi, I would replace the Indian with the new Stelvio, and the V85TT with a DR650, or the fuel injected KLR650.
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Not sure how much you are enjoying riding off the beaten path with the V85TT, But if I had your stable and wanted a liquid cooled Moto Guzzi, I would replace the Indian with the new Stelvio, and the V85TT with a DR650, or the fuel injected KLR650.
The V85 is setup for mainly offroading, which I do quite a bit of. The other main ride I like to do is highways and lots of it, backroad touring, etc. That's what the Indian is for. I'd replace the Indian with the V100 "if" I felt it would fill that need.
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https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/pop-goes-the-mandello.26537/
Just read this thread.
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All subjective. I think a comparison with other bikes might be the easiest descriptor.
The bike is right in the sweet spot for Sports Touring, a cruiser rider or full on touring rider might not find it to their liking. It's not a replacement for an Softail, Electra Glide or Gold Wing. It's pretty neat if you want a little bit more agile RT or FJR. It's more in the line with an RS perhaps not so many beans but more than enough for most.
But why not just ride a demonstrator like I did?
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All subjective. I think a comparison with other bikes might be the easiest descriptor.
The bike is right in the sweet spot for Sports Touring, a cruiser rider or full on touring rider might not find it to their liking. It's not a replacement for an Softail, Electra Glide or Gold Wing. It's pretty neat if you want a little bit more agile RT or FJR. It's more in the line with an RS perhaps not so many beans but more than enough for most.
But why not just ride a demonstrator like I did?
I dont know of any dealers in my area offering test rides. Do you?
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My riding impression was that it could have been a Honda if it didn’t have Guzzi badges.Not a bad thing but not like a Guzzi either.
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I dont know of any dealers in my area offering test rides. Do you?
Did you check with Mother Road Motorsports in Tulsa?
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Did you check with Mother Road Motorsports in Tulsa?
I'm actually going to go there this afternoon to have a look and see if I can ride one.
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Differences between '23 and '24 model year ? I wondered that too.
Someone on this forum posted that the "gearbox" was upgraded along with the new '24 Stelvio gearbox. However, I don't know what that meant, and I was not able to find any info on that. Also read that the swingarm on the 24's was slightly thicker metal by a millimeter or two, but unable to verify that either.
The only endemic problem I've read about is a few bikes with improperly crimped radiator hose clamps resulting in some coolant leaks. Apparently some of the clamps are pretty difficult to get to, so some guys are taking back to the dealer to fix rather than do it themselves.
There was also a service campaign about the clutch lever seal, affected bikes just need a new seal.
The V100 also seems to need to stay on a battery tender, some have had parasitic amp leaks leading to dead batteries after a few days to weeks.
Other than that, mostly just one off reports of problems followed by the usual histrionic hand wringing.
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I dont know of any dealers in my area offering test rides. Do you?
I think Don still is like last time we brought it up but I can ask him to be sure. Of course you can just call Mother Road and Motiv.
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My riding impression was that it could have been a Honda if it didn’t have Guzzi badges.Not a bad thing but not like a Guzzi either.
the engine dips the other way and not so much. The power delivery isn't that much different from an 8v Grisso other than more of it. But it's a more modern bike in every way.
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My riding impression was that it could have been a Honda if it didn’t have Guzzi badges. Not a bad thing but not like a Guzzi either.
Me too, also for the Stelvio. They’re not a bad thing but having lost their character and serviceability almost completely they now are forced to compete based on performance, and they don’t. My impression was magnified by test riding a BMW R1300GS immediately after, which by comparison made the Stelvio feel like a 1985 Honda Sabre with its mushy suspension and top heavy handling. I told my dealership owning friend that I wouldn’t buy any of them, for different reasons, but the best bike I could imagine coming out of the three would be the R13GS with all the nonsense electronics and features removed… because the basic bike is great.
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Both 2024 V100's get these changes;
There are refinements to the gearbox too. Every gear has been reworked to improve shifting, and the clutch is a new self-assist anti-hopping (slipper) unit that is also meant to improve shift actuation and feel.
I've not ridden a 2023 so I can't comment how noticeable the changes are.
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After a certain point, hp only matters on the straight sections. I've seen dozens of very skilled riders absolutely DUST, as in completely dust, riders on supposed "better bikes".
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The bug I seem to have for the V100S hasn't yet subsided as I'd hoped. So, before I make a potentially regrettable decision, I thought I'd ask some questions from those "in the know" to help me out. I'm hoping for transparency here.
First, a little about me: I'm 5'11", 185 lbs, with a 34" inseam. I like to ride a minimum of 200 miles whenever I saddle up. So, let's dive in:
All-Day Comfort: How is the bike's comfort for all-day rides? I'm considering upgrading to the taller touring windshield, but how does it fare on real-world, 400-600 mile days? What are the best aftermarket seat options?
Maintenance: How tough is the regular maintenance, especially valve adjustments? I've read some horror stories about shims. I'm not well-versed in that, and the idea of a 5-hour round trip to a dealer is unappealing. I do all the work on my other three Guzzis, but this seems like a different beast.
Common Issues: What kind of bugs or common issues should I be aware of?
Luggage: How good is the luggage, if you have it? It looks adequate, but I would like real reviews on its water resistance and overall functionality. Does it remove easily?
Test Offers: Any Aprilia or Guzzi enthusiasts out there willing to let me "test" one for a couple of years in exchange for a real-world review?
Pre-Purchase Insights: What do you wish you had known before purchasing?
Regrets: Any honest regrets?
Passenger Comfort: How do your passengers find the comfort?
Additional Thoughts: If there's anything else you'd like to share, please do. Also, there are some great deals out there on 23' models. Wondering if any changes took place between 23 and 24?
I'm considering trading my Indian Challenger for one. I love the Challenger, but admittedly, it's getting heavy, and the maintenance is a bit pricey since I let the dealer handle it all while it's under the extended warranty. It's comfortable, reliable (32K trouble free so far), powerful, fast, nimble, and having a dealer 20 minutes away is a great perk. So, I'd be losing that convenience as my closest dealer is 150 miles away.
This is how I'd set mine up (to compliment the V85TT), but adding a taller screen and heated seat.
(https://i.ibb.co/Db1g3KT/v100s.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Db1g3KT)
I'm close to the same size/proportions as you, it's a very comfortable bike for me. I have done a lot of 350-550 mile days on mine (15k miles total). It's just how I like for ergos, but wind protection is just okay with the MG touring screen. If you want very good wind protection then get a larger screen (givi or isotta). I have the MG tall heated comfort seat and its pretty good - it gets REALLY hot. The standard saddle has a better shape but is too low, so I might make a hybrid of the two in the future.
Maintenance is very easy, though the filter change is messy... well, except valve adjustment. I have heard most bikes have not needed any adjustment at 15k, but mine needs it on 6/8 valves. MG doesn't shim maps so you have to pull everything apart to figure out what new shim is needed. It's stupid, but after the first time it's much easier if it ever needs a second adjustment (you'll know the sizes).
Reliability issues are starting to show up with a few bikes out there. Five engine replacements that I know of, mine might need one too. There are a lot of other owners racking up big miles without a problem, so I don't think its a "bad bike", just some random manufacturing errors for some of us.
The panniers are really nice in my opinion. I bought liner bags for them and love how easy they are overall. My gripe is that they don't make matching red panels for them. Also, I didn't get the rack/top case because I think they're ugly and I almost always ride solo. The two times I've had a passenger they were plenty comfortable - it's a well designed sport-tourer.
I would absolutely buy a Mandello again, but next time I would wait a year for Guzzi to iron out the kinks. I would also get the S model if I was choosing again. I've been very happy riding the base model, but it would be really nice to have the electronic suspension when I want a plush ride around town.
Overall, I'm still absolutely in love with the looks, engine and chassis of my V100. It has some quirks but is VERY entertaining to ride and mostly easy to upkeep. If everything gets fixed under warranty I'd be very happy to own it for many more years
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After a certain point, hp only matters on the straight sections. I've seen dozens of very skilled riders absolutely DUST, as in completely dust, riders on supposed "better bikes".
One of the posters on our Ducati board is a Yamaha Track instructor. He said that all of them prefer to ride midsized (700/900) standards and nakeds around the track, much more fun and more forgiving. The track weapons are so serious and so fast that that they aren't enjoyable. Given that some bikes are approaching 200+ hp, COTA, Indy and RA might be the only racetracks that can use all that power.
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Don has a V100 Stelvio as a demo bike. Call him first, since the bike is out as a loaner sometimes.
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I own a V100s Mandello. Things I like about it are the seating position, it's style and paint, engine HP, brakes and handling. Things I'm not to happy with are the clutch pulsation felt through the lever, that horrible clunk when shifting into first from neutral, the clunky transmission when shifting through the gears driving along, the complexity of the engine, the cost of maintaining it, the unavailability of parts when it breaks.
The V100s is for the most part a very nice bike when it's working and when it doesn't need to be worked on. All things considered I'm not sure I would buy another one. What really attracted me to Moto Guzzi motorcycles 25 years ago, was their ease of maintenance, their low cost of maintenance and simplicity of design. The V100 has none of those qualities, where as the V85tt, which I also own, has all of them.
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I own a V100s Mandello. Things I like about it are the seating position, it's style and paint, engine HP, brakes and handling. Things I'm not to happy with are the clutch pulsation felt through the lever, that horrible clunk when shifting into first from neutral, the clunky transmission when shifting through the gears driving along, the complexity of the engine, the cost of maintaining it, the unavailability of parts when it breaks.
The V100s is for the most part a very nice bike when it's working and when it doesn't need to be worked on. All things considered I'm not sure I would buy another one. What really attracted me to Moto Guzzi motorcycles 25 years ago, was their ease of maintenance, their low cost of maintenance and simplicity of design. The V100 has none of those qualities, where as the V85tt, which I also own, has all of them.
Has your bike been recalled? I understand that there were some bad o rings and clutch issues but not knowing the entire story.
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Has your bike been recalled? I understand that there were some bad o rings and clutch issues but not know the entire story.
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thanks for all the responses. As much as I'd like to have one, I'm gonna hang on to my current stable as they all suit my needs just fine for now. I could see myself on a V100S someday, or maybe even a new California if equipped the way I like.
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Luap: Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the V100. I found it to be so much different than the 1400s and V85 that I owned or any of the air cooled Guzzi' I have test ridden. The difference being that when the V85 came out, I had to have one. It disturbed my sleep, I wanted one so much. I have only felt that way about certain BMWs and Harleys and the first 1400. The V100 has not entered my dreams even once. I have tried several test rides and still, no joy. For that kind of money, I have to feel the compulsion. It may just be me, but maybe the V100 is so serious a bike that it changes my attitude toward it and I miss the sheer fun, or at least so far, I have. I think a V7 is in my future when I can no longer heft the 1400 around.
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Things I'm not to happy with
the complexity of the engine,
the cost of maintaining it,
the unavailability of parts when it breaks.
The V100s is for the most part a very nice bike when it's working and when it doesn't need to be worked on.
What is the maintenance interval for the valve adjustment? As I understand it, the bike's maintenance interval is 15,000 miles. During your year of ownership, have you had this service performed?
What have you had break during your year of ownership?
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Mine is in the shop for clutch slave cylinder seals and coolant leak.
Noticed weeping oil pan late April, gasket ordered, took over 2 months to arrive.
Bike in shop for 2 weeks awaiting available labor. Might get bike back this week or next.
Slow parts availability and lack of sufficient service labor are a problem here.
Shop has problem finding qualified service techs, nobody qualified seems to want the job available.
4800 miles total, problems started around 2K miles.
Is a great sport touring bike that is not in my garage!
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Mine is in the shop for clutch slave cylinder seals and coolant leak.
Noticed weeping oil pan late April, gasket ordered, took over 2 months to arrive.
Bike in shop for 2 weeks awaiting available labor. Might get bike back this week or next.
Slow parts availability and lack of sufficient service labor are a problem here.
Shop has problem finding qualified service techs, nobody qualified seems to want the job available.
4800 miles total, problems started around 2K miles.
Is a great sport touring bike that is not in my garage!
good luck. I've head about recalls.
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Luap,
I'm riding/renting one tomorrow in Mandello. First time, will give my impressions and ride report, though will be worthless given so many here own them.
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Luap,
I'm riding/renting one tomorrow in Mandello. First time, will give my impressions and ride report, though will be worthless given so many here own them.
OK, here goes.....
I rented a 2023 v100s Mandello from Agostini in Mandello de Lario for 4 hours. Fantastic low pressure low drama pure pleasure experience. Luca was awesome.
Luap, no idea if this will help you, but is my experience and feedback.
Overall Impression 9 out of 10 stars.
This, despite major mechanical changes from my beloved CARC big blocks is ALL Moto Guzzi. Sounds like a Guzzi, 1st gear clunk, chucka chucka, honk, great mid and top end response. It feels like a classic Guzzi but also modern. Overall I am very impressed. When I first saw in a shop I thought it was too small, didn't even want to throw a leg over. However, I now say it is about perfect.
CHASSIS - PERFECT I was shocked at how spot on perfect the suspension was on this motorcycle. You can ride in sport mode which was clearly stiffer, but regardless of mode, the bike was always poised whether I was running 160+ km's on the dual Lane motorway (to get back in time for the museum tour) to two lane mountain sweepers and even the tightest switchbacks when climbing up mountain sides. I always knew what the bike was doing and it did exactly what I wanted and when. Easily an out of the box mile muncher. Tire pressures were 2.4 bar F 2.6 R.
Favorite mode was Turismo, no idea what Strada did.... Rain mode started with P. Slower throttle response and wings were out
Chassis and suspension were comfortable, poised, responsive, you couldn't ask for more. Makes my Griso and 1200 Sport (stock but tediously dialed in) feel like lumbering plods.....
BRAKES - Fronts were perfect. Strong, well modulated, easy to use when going fast or slow. Rear lever was too high for comfortable use, but when I did use, it felt mushy.
SEATING/ERGOs - I'm 5'11, 33" inseam and 200-210, with hip and knee replacement, severe back and shoulder injuries, and neck issues. I have lowered pegs on all my bikes and HB risers or Mana bars on most, so I was nervous about a 4 hour adventure. My worries were baseless..... I was completely comfortable cramp and pain free. Seating position was PERFECT for me .
SEAT - perfect for 3-4 hours, can't say for more, but it was great, and dissipated heat. The V85? Not so much ... My @$$ went from comfy and content for 3 hours on the V100, and miserable hot and sticky on the V85.
ACTIVE AERO and SCREEN - it was 90+ degrees so I wanted air movement, but both work very well. The Active wings open automatically on the Turismo and stay open in the Rain mode. Not a HUGE change but noticeable and likely helpful in cold and wet weather. Windshield movement is from the multi mode switch. I would have preferred a dedicated switch. NO turbulence in any position, just more or less wind.
SPEED SHIFTER - First time using one, and prior to this was worthless tech in my mind as I am clutch less in 3-6 shifts up and down 99% of the time and have been for years. That said, if you want to stay deep in the throttle and shift gears effortlessly this is pretty slick. The more throttle you give/faster the smoother it works. Limp wrist it? Is jerky. A cool feature and capability that is transparent if you shift normal.
DIGITAL GAUGES - I was prepared to hate. Ended up better than I thought. Mostly clear, direct sun and shade, easy to read and interpret, and there was a logical flow for information, but it was too busy and biggest gripe is the TACH was way too small and I don't like the "light as you go" Double the size of the TACH dial and numbers and I'd be happier. I'd also want the ability to shut off most of the info. ***** Low beam indicator is GREEN and right where the Right TS indicator might be. I can't count how many times it caught attention (distraction) thinking the right turn signal was on.
CONTROLS - Felt cheap, not premium or smooth feel. Cruise switch would be broken within a month, very flimsy and vulnerable design/placement. The Rheostat for the TBW between the handgrip and right controls makes using controls problematic. Was easier to reach across with my left hand to toggle between ride modes. Otherwise I had to come off throttle or was unstable. Maybe it is my Fred Flintstone stubs, but the only other bike I have had an issue with the right controls was the MGX-21 for the same reason. Minor, and I am sure I would adjust given time.Levers we're fine.
RANDOM
- Side exhaust ports are impossible to see when seated. This surprised me.
- HEAT! Definitely felt heat on my lower legs. Not sure if a cat bypass would help, but there was more heat than I would have liked
- Side stand..... I didn't like the aluminum side stand or that it is mounted to the engine case. Give me steel on a sub frame that bolts to the engine case.
-No underseat storage?!?!
-CLUTCH - too light and caught too close to the top of travel. This is personal preference and in retrospect I didn't try to adjust the levers.
- Stock exhaust is nice, but I'd want more. Start with larger headers a cat eliminator with stock can, and go from there. Love the stock exhaust can looks.
ENGINE/POWER (I know best for last) just about perfect. Like the suspension there were no surprises. Smooth, responsive, predictable and as demanded. I only had 10-15 miles to really give it the beans, Rollins, etc, but it pulled much like my 1200 Sport or an 8v Norge. Power was smooth and adequate, clearly more than any other modern Guzzi, but not a real power house. 20 more HP would be perfect. An issue of adequate but NOT more than.
Climbing the mountain, 30km of hairpin turns (I hate), navigating little village streets there was little to NO throttle snatch or fueling gremlins.WELLDONE Mario!
Solid midrange and top gear acceleration. My only real issue was 2nd gear was a bit too tall for my likes. I had to use brakes more than I would have liked. If geared just a bit shorter I could have used the throttle exclusively when in the twisties. UNLESS this is some computer TBW wizardry that limits engine breaking power.
Ok winding down the ramble.....
I was truly impressed. I can see myself on one of these, and especially a Stelvio with the following notes..
- I hate the stock Guzzi side and top cases. Would have to go with Givi or HB even though it would ruin the lines. The bike I rented had Givi racks and hardware that weren't too bad.
- Need to ride a non S suspension bike. All I can say is I went from the V100S to the V85 and IMMEDIATELY felt wallow and uncertainty compared to the V100. The V85 wasn't bad, it was light and nimble, but not as solid as the v100.
If coming from ANY prior Guzzi (other than a 1400) you will be thrilled. NO way this is making Multi Strada FJR or other 140+ bikes unless they want less power. My BIL is a GS/Thruxton rider and liked both, but said clearly 'not enough power'
OK picture time
Backside of mountain
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On the ride
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In front of the Agostini Dealer
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Givi racks and guards looked great
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V100 Mandello and Stelvio Side by side (Stelvio was sans screen) noticeable size difference. YELLOW is the winner, but DITCH the matter finish and Stelvio lettering.
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I see the V100 as a perfect replacement for a 1200 Sport, FZ1 or other sporting small fairing sport touring bike. A GREAT combination of power poise comfort and nimble control. Just about perfect as a 1 up long distance sport touring bike, even with modest fairing and screen. One won't find it's way into the Bulldog garage, but the Stelvio is a real possibility.
This ends my Italian wine inspired review. The wife is back from shopping..... Time to head to dinner ...
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OK, here goes.....
I rented a 2023 v100s Mandello from Agostini in Mandello de Lario for 4 hours. Fantastic low pressure low drama pure pleasure experience. Luca was awesome.
Luap, no idea if this will help you, but is my experience and feedback.
Overall Impression 9 out of 10 stars.
This, despite major mechanical changes from my beloved CARC big blocks is ALL Moto Guzzi. Sounds like a Guzzi, 1st gear clunk, chucka chucka, honk, great mid and top end response. It feels like a classic Guzzi but also modern. Overall I am very impressed. When I first saw in a shop I thought it was too small, didn't even want to throw a leg over. However, I now say it is about perfect.
CHASSIS - PERFECT I was shocked at how spot on perfect the suspension was on this motorcycle. You can ride in sport mode which was clearly stiffer, but regardless of mode, the bike was always poised whether I was running 160+ km's on the dual Lane motorway (to get back in time for the museum tour) to two lane mountain sweepers and even the tightest switchbacks when climbing up mountain sides. I always knew what the bike was doing and it did exactly what I wanted and when. Easily an out of the box mile muncher. Tire pressures were 2.4 bar F 2.6 R.
Favorite mode was Turismo, no idea what Strada did.... Rain mode started with P. Slower throttle response and wings were out
Chassis and suspension were comfortable, poised, responsive, you couldn't ask for more. Makes my Griso and 1200 Sport (stock but tediously dialed in) feel like lumbering plods.....
BRAKES - Fronts were perfect. Strong, well modulated, easy to use when going fast or slow. Rear lever was too high for comfortable use, but when I did use, it felt mushy.
SEATING/ERGOs - I'm 5'11, 33" inseam and 200-210, with hip and knee replacement, severe back and shoulder injuries, and neck issues. I have lowered pegs on all my bikes and HB risers or Mana bars on most, so I was nervous about a 4 hour adventure. My worries were baseless..... I was completely comfortable cramp and pain free. Seating position was PERFECT for me .
SEAT - perfect for 3-4 hours, can't say for more, but it was great, and dissipated heat. The V85? Not so much ... My @$$ went from comfy and content for 3 hours on the V100, and miserable hot and sticky on the V85.
ACTIVE AERO and SCREEN - it was 90+ degrees so I wanted air movement, but both work very well. The Active wings open automatically on the Turismo and stay open in the Rain mode. Not a HUGE change but noticeable and likely helpful in cold and wet weather. Windshield movement is from the multi mode switch. I would have preferred a dedicated switch. NO turbulence in any position, just more or less wind.
SPEED SHIFTER - First time using one, and prior to this was worthless tech in my mind as I am clutch less in 3-6 shifts up and down 99% of the time and have been for years. That said, if you want to stay deep in the throttle and shift gears effortlessly this is pretty slick. The more throttle you give/faster the smoother it works. Limp wrist it? Is jerky. A cool feature and capability that is transparent if you shift normal.
DIGITAL GAUGES - I was prepared to hate. Ended up better than I thought. Mostly clear, direct sun and shade, easy to read and interpret, and there was a logical flow for information, but it was too busy and biggest gripe is the TACH was way too small and I don't like the "light as you go" Double the size of the TACH dial and numbers and I'd be happier. I'd also want the ability to shut off most of the info. ***** Low beam indicator is GREEN and right where the Right TS indicator might be. I can't count how many times it caught attention (distraction) thinking the right turn signal was on.
CONTROLS - Felt cheap, not premium or smooth feel. Cruise switch would be broken within a month, very flimsy and vulnerable design/placement. The Rheostat for the TBW between the handgrip and right controls makes using controls problematic. Was easier to reach across with my left hand to toggle between ride modes. Otherwise I had to come off throttle or was unstable. Maybe it is my Fred Flintstone stubs, but the only other bike I have had an issue with the right controls was the MGX-21 for the same reason. Minor, and I am sure I would adjust given time.Levers we're fine.
RANDOM
- Side exhaust ports are impossible to see when seated. This surprised me.
- HEAT! Definitely felt heat on my lower legs. Not sure if a cat bypass would help, but there was more heat than I would have liked
- Side stand..... I didn't like the aluminum side stand or that it is mounted to the engine case. Give me steel on a sub frame that bolts to the engine case.
-No underseat storage?!?!
-CLUTCH - too light and caught too close to the top of travel. This is personal preference and in retrospect I didn't try to adjust the levers.
- Stock exhaust is nice, but I'd want more. Start with larger headers a cat eliminator with stock can, and go from there. Love the stock exhaust can looks.
ENGINE/POWER (I know best for last) just about perfect. Like the suspension there were no surprises. Smooth, responsive, predictable and as demanded. I only had 10-15 miles to really give it the beans, Rollins, etc, but it pulled much like my 1200 Sport or an 8v Norge. Power was smooth and adequate, clearly more than any other modern Guzzi, but not a real power house. 20 more HP would be perfect. An issue of adequate but NOT more than.
Climbing the mountain, 30km of hairpin turns (I hate), navigating little village streets there was little to NO throttle snatch or fueling gremlins.WELLDONE Mario!
Solid midrange and top gear acceleration. My only real issue was 2nd gear was a bit too tall for my likes. I had to use brakes more than I would have liked. If geared just a bit shorter I could have used the throttle exclusively when in the twisties. UNLESS this is some computer TBW wizardry that limits engine breaking power.
Ok winding down the ramble.....
I was truly impressed. I can see myself on one of these, and especially a Stelvio with the following notes..
- I hate the stock Guzzi side and top cases. Would have to go with Givi or HB even though it would ruin the lines. The bike I rented had Givi racks and hardware that weren't too bad.
- Need to ride a non S suspension bike. All I can say is I went from the V100S to the V85 and IMMEDIATELY felt wallow and uncertainty compared to the V100. The V85 wasn't bad, it was light and nimble, but not as solid as the v100.
If coming from ANY prior Guzzi (other than a 1400) you will be thrilled. NO way this is making Multi Strada FJR or other 140+ bikes unless they want less power. My BIL is a GS/Thruxton rider and liked both, but said clearly 'not enough power'
OK picture time
Backside of mountain
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On the ride
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In front of the Agostini Dealer
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Givi racks and guards looked great
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V100 Mandello and Stelvio Side by side (Stelvio was sans screen) noticeable size difference. YELLOW is the winner, but DITCH the matter finish and Stelvio lettering.
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I see the V100 as a perfect replacement for a 1200 Sport, FZ1 or other sporting small fairing sport touring bike. A GREAT combination of power poise comfort and nimble control. Just about perfect as a 1 up long distance sport touring bike, even with modest fairing and screen. One won't find it's way into the Bulldog garage, but the Stelvio is a real possibility.
This ends my Italian wine inspired review. The wife is back from shopping..... Time to head to dinner ...
Awesome write up. Thanks for taking the time to do that. I'll see what 2025 brings.
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Awesome write up. Thanks for taking the time to do that. I'll see what 2025 brings.
Was my pleasure. Definitely a winner.
Regarding the V85, I didn't have as much time on the E5 version as I did the V100, but I have ridden a coupe others and still feel the same. Great bike, but not enough to pry the Stornello TT out from under me. Maybe the Stelvio in a few years, or if I was forced to go to a one bike solution. It is fantastic, but didn't hold a candle to the V100 especially suspension and chassis wise.
That said, I probably would have been faster in the twisties and switchbacks on the V85. Extremely light and nimble, almost too much for my likes. I guess that is why I still have CARC on the brain and adding a Norge.