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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GuzziNZ on October 07, 2024, 07:10:18 PM

Title: Hit and miss
Post by: GuzziNZ on October 07, 2024, 07:10:18 PM
I still have the original switch gear on my 850T and amazingly it all still works apart from the start button which is very temperamental.
Anyone have it apart to clean contacts?
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: guzzisteve on October 07, 2024, 08:24:46 PM
Been over 25yrs but did a few. Simple switch, take apart slowly, don't loose any parts. Don't let it go boing! It could be the solder getting loose on wire. Just so you know. So take apart carefully. Do a search, might find pics.

Just had a thought, might find a new one at Harpers, they used to have stuff like that.
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: n3303j on October 08, 2024, 12:02:00 AM
Sure it's the start button and not the starter solenoid (or other parts of that circuit)?
I went nuts on my T3 with an intermittent start issue and the final solution was an EME replacement starter.
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: GuzziNZ on October 08, 2024, 12:11:27 AM
Hi Ron.
The first thing I did was to pull 3 pin plug to starter switch block, hooked up meter and pressed button. 
Got no reading to earth.
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: testa_di_formaggio on October 08, 2024, 03:24:02 AM
If I recall correctly, ground for the starter relay circuit is made inside the switch by a small tab of metal that contacts the handlebar. Of the 3 wires, one is hot power to the switch, one becomes hot to the coils when the switch is slid to ON, the third is the wire that gives the ground from the bar to the starter relay. If you want to check my work, (I haven't been "vetted" on this forum yet), check for continuity from the 3 wire pigtail to one of the terminals on the relay. It's an easy find, your schematic will give you the terminal number. My 850 LeMans did the same thing, took the switch apart and right where the little tab was given a surface to make contact with bare metal, there was some rust preventing it. The slightest rotation of the switch would take away the bare metal spot to contact. Switch will pull apart laterally, as Steve K. says, BE CAREFULL. Miniature springs, tiny pieces, nothing really robust. If that is what is going on, due to cleanable detritus, or that the little metal tab has lost some of it's spring, maybe you can tweek it a bit to give it more tension against the bar.

TdF
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: GuzziNZ on October 08, 2024, 05:01:17 AM
I think sliding the brass strip between the bars and switch block made the connection to earth for the tab.
Had to try a few different positions until I got a reliable reading on the meter.
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: guzziart on October 08, 2024, 08:49:04 AM
Idk, try this....
https://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_tonti_handlebar_switch_-_early_right_-17635000_or_18735040-.html
https://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_tonti_handlebar_switch_-_early_left_-17746020_and_17750301_or_18746040_and_18750340-.html

Art
Title: Re: Hit and miss
Post by: bigbikerrick on October 08, 2024, 04:11:48 PM
Those switches are a nightmare to deal with. On my Convert, I gave up,and installed late model aftermarket switches,and never looked back.
Rick.