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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: red stripeguz on March 12, 2025, 10:04:36 AM
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Wondering if anyone has used both the dbkiller in and the dbkiller removed tunes on the UpMap and what differences you saw.
Back story. I put Agostini shorties on my '23 Special last year last year. Ran it stock for a short while and it ran ok. I also did the SAS delete and a DNA filter. Tried pulling the dbkillers and it ran horrible on stock tune, I didn't even leave driveway before I put back in. Bought the UpMap and chose the dbkiller in map. Love the way it runs now. Last week I pulled the dbkillers to see how it ran and how it sounds. Runs good, maybe just a bit of hesitancy but that may be me. LOVE the sound so plan on leaving them out.
My question is, it the "dbkillers removed" tune worth the $120 or should I just stick with the tune I have?
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Did you reset the ECU when you removed the dB killers so that it could relearn?
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Did you reset the ECU when you removed the dB killers so that it could relearn?
I have not.
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Did you reset the ECU when you removed the dB killers so that it could relearn?
Lambda probes, learning, it is deactivated with reprogramming :wink:
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I bought a '23 V7 Special Edition, and had the dealer install a set of Ago full-length reverse cone mufflers, dB killers removed, airbox lid elimination kit, and the corresponding UPMAP tune. The bike was delivered this way, so can't compare it to stock, and I didn't put the dB killers back in to experiment. Bike runs great, can't complain. For comparison, on my '24 V100 Navale, I put on the Ago big bore exhaust / Y-pipe and a Mistral muffler. There is definitely a difference with how it sounds and drives with the dB killers in and out. On this bike, I kept the dB killers in. Don't have the UPMAP tune yet on the V100, but it's on the list.
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My question is, it the "dbkillers removed" tune worth the $120 or should I just stick with the tune I have?
In my opinion, it is worth spending the money to have both tunes available! It's not like you will lose the dbkiller tune, you're merely adding to your library of files.
Jay
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I bought both maps and have used both for the agostinis installed on my ‘21 stone. The “novelty” of the db killers removed wore off and I decided the engine sounds better with the db killers installed, even if it is quieter. I never tried running on the db killer map with the db killers removed. I will say both configurations/maps run well.
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I have the full length Agostini's and flashed the Upmap with DB's in Map. Bike runs some much better than stock, Night and day difference!
I then got curious to see what it would sound like without db's, wow! sounds even better. But it did not pull as hard with the db in map, so I downloaded the db out map and she runs awesome! Honestly, I just love the sound of this little twin, rolling on the throttle is perfection to me. It is loud but I do wear ear plugs and full-face helmet, so it all is good.
(https://i.ibb.co/zVW2wT6b/Guzzi-Bear-Notch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zVW2wT6b)
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I have the full length Agostini's and flashed the Upmap with DB's in Map. Bike runs some much better than stock, Night and day difference!
I then got curious to see what it would sound like without db's, wow! sounds even better. But it did not pull as hard with the db in map, so I downloaded the db out map and she runs awesome! Honestly, I just love the sound of this little twin, rolling on the throttle is perfection to me. It is loud but I do wear ear plugs and full-face helmet, so it all is good.
(https://i.ibb.co/zVW2wT6b/Guzzi-Bear-Notch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zVW2wT6b)
Awesome, exactly the feedback I was looking for.
Of course now my phone decided to stop connecting to my UpMap so we will see what they have to say about that before moving on
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Make sure you updated the Upmap app before flashing, takes a minute or two. That may be the reason it didn’t go through.
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Make sure you updated the Upmap app before flashing, takes a minute or two. That may be the reason it didn’t go through.
Yep, it was the app. I was at the latest level but a suggestion from their support that I delete and re-install the app solved the issue. When I told my partner she just rolled her eyes at me and said "That's what you would have told me to do" :violent1: :grin:
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I just installed the full length Agostinis with db killers in and used that flash and also found it to be a really nice setup. At first I was wondering where the heck the db killers were, they blend in very well with the matte paint where only the snap ring gave them away. Often there's a screw that holds silencers in instead so I wasn't expecting that. I have some concern with the UpMap tune with it now being fully open loop as I sometimes ride between dramatically different temperatures and elevations in a day (Colorado Rockies), but I don't expect it could be any worse than doing the same on a carb'd bike. At highway speed I can't hear the pipes over the wind with full face helmet on, hearing protection in, and the MG touring windscreen - I think that's the perfect level of sound for me and would likely be annoyed if I removed the db killers. Even with the db killers in, it's very much a straight through exhaust! I've had other bikes with various aftermarket exhausts and typically can't see right through them like a glasspack lol. I had to use the UpMap app on an older phone that I have retired to offline map use (Samsung Galaxy S10e) as it said it wasn't compatible with my newer Google Pixel 8.