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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bad Chad on August 08, 2025, 02:43:45 PM
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Just an FYI. Cadre in Cincinnati has 24 Stones in stock, with zero BS fees, for $6500, and Specials for $7000! They also have the new 26" v7s, but they are or course MSRP.
https://cadrecycle.com/new-moto-guzzi/
They are one of the best dealers in the US in my opinion.
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What are the 2024 Stones and Specials lacking that you get on a 2026 Stone/Special, besides cruise control, and 2 MY older?
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That’s what internet searches are for.
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Clifton, here's one difference for the Special: Guage package on the '26 is the standard , offset, single, pod. The '24s have the twin analog guages.
Your welcome. That's what a friendly forum is for.
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Thanks AirPirate, I was just on Guzzi's site trying to figure out the changes and didn't notice changing from twin gauges to the single mentioned for the Special. But I saw it in some 2026 Special images so the same as the Sport it appears, which I don't like as well. Larger airbox, some timing change, and piston cooling so I assume the same increase in power as the Sport for all the 2026 V7's. I could be interested an a 2024 Special if they would swap the spoke wheels for cast off one of the other models but I doubt they'd be willing.
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I have a 1100 Griso, and I really like the older Special. Don't like the tube type wheels, though. Also, I gotta admit that cruise control is pretty nice. But, the overall looks of the older Special is really nice.
This spring, on day one of a three day ride, I picked up a nail on my Multistrada. 20 minutes later the tire was plugged, and I was on my way. With tubes, I would have been roadside for a lot longer.
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What are the 2024 Stones and Specials lacking that you get on a 2026 Stone/Special, besides cruise control, and 2 MY older?
The biggest thing? A whole new, larger, 52mm throttle body with a separate ECU. That's almost an entirely new EFI system and arguably higher quality.
But a rep from AF1 has already posted there are so many other differences in the chassis other components from the switches to exhaust to controls to.... That it might as well be a completely new bike.
And I haven't checked into the motor mechanically yet.
Honestly I wouldn't consider the current models over the new at this point.
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Thanks for pointing out those meaningful changes Kev m.
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Cadre's website is certainly lacking. They have a showroom tab, but there are no pictures or list of their inventory, so potential customers are unable to browse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Cadre's website is certainly lacking. They have a showroom tab, but there are no pictures or list of their inventory, so potential customers are unable to browse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
These are the bikes they have in stock. Many more than one.
https://cadrecycle.com/new-moto-guzzi/
Pete
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These are the bikes they have in stock. Many more than one.
https://cadrecycle.com/new-moto-guzzi/
Pete
Those are stock images and potential customers want to see the actual bikes being offered. Maybe it's the reason they still have 2024 models.
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I would think that the current crop of V7 bikes are a stable platform. There may be a host of upgrades for the newest models, but I would not buy the 1st year production. Just saying.
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They have a bunch of 24s because they bought them up when they were offered. This is not without precedent. When Piaggio wanted to move out a bunch of the older V9 series, Cadre bought a bunch of those and offered them at blow out prices. $6500 is the price of a Royal Enfield for goodness sake. You are right about the single gage now being standard across the V7 line. It is a shame because the new V7s are so good looking otherwise.
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I would think that the current crop of V7 bikes are a stable platform. There may be a host of upgrades for the newest models, but I would not buy the 1st year production. Just saying.
I have, so many times it's not funny (and not a problem).
That said, the EFI system is the single biggest change and it basically comes from the V85. Just saying.
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You are right about the single gauge now being standard across the V7 line. It is a shame because the new V7s are so good looking otherwise.
My feeble WAG on the loss of the twin clocks is that they were not compatible the new electronics suite. This is based on no inside product knowledge whatsoever, but hey, its the internet. :cool:
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Wild1, all I will say is, “a horse may be led to water…”.
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Wild1, all I will say is, “a horse may be led to water…”.
It certainly won't drink if it can't see the water. :azn:
Anyway, I wish them the best with their sale.
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If, as mentioned above, they bought a bunch of bikes as a clearance move by someone (Guzzi or other dealers), they are stock bikes as seen all over the internet. What do you want to see, the shelves, other bikes or salesmen/customers in the background? This is a Guzzi forum. People here are mostly familiar with the bikes and more interested in the prices than pretty pictures.
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If, as mentioned above, they bought a bunch of bikes as a clearance move by someone (Guzzi or other dealers), they are stock bikes as seen all over the internet. What do you want to see, the shelves, other bikes or salesmen/customers in the background? This is a Guzzi forum. People here are mostly familiar with the bikes and more interested in the prices than pretty pictures.
I didn't realize the sale strictly targets the Moto Guzzi forum. It seems like offering them to already Moto Guzzi owners is a narrow scope, especially when attempting to unload motorcycles.
I also wondered why other motorcycle and auto dealerships waste the time and effort of photographing vehicles they offer, when they can use stock photos too and expect people to know what they're purchasing.
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I doubt the sale is strictly targeted at this forum. Yes, those are stock photos. If you want more photos and information, go to the Guzzi US web site. They have all the glossy pictures and info about the bikes. I would say there isn't a lot of foot traffic considering what their location on a google map looks like. They have a pretty good reputation and a loyal following. Their business model seems to be working for them. I don't think I've been within 500 miles of the place so don't think I have a special interest in the business.
If you think your business model would work better, open a dealership. :thumb:
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Wild1, why are you fighting this battle??
If you or anyone, anywhere are interested in exactly what stock on hand, all need be done is make a phone call, or send them an email. From experience, I can tell you they will get right back to you with whatever you need, photos, vin numbers etc.
And, as pointed out, they aren’t targeting “moto Guzzi forum”, it’s the dealers website we are discussing.
Now I have said enough, I’m laying down my pen/sword and leaving this fight. 😂 I wish you well.
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I'm thinking that Cadre adds $550 ? freight to that price, and a $50 doc fee. The last couple I bought from them, anyway,
Veterans get another $500 discount.
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Maybe some of the bikes are still in the crate
Anyway, when they come out, the look JUST like the picture. Imagine that.
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I rode the new V7 Sport yesterday and in discussing specifics, the freight is now $800. This is where they have tucked in the tariff charges instead of raising the base cost of the bikes, I was told.
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This Special is what I would go for. Last of the twin clocks (almost) and looks the business.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxnkqqnB/v7black.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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I am looking at a new V100. The few places I contacted said freight on those is going up to $1000 but on current bikes its still $800. No doubt dealers can use that number to negotiate.
Pete
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Just an FYI. Cadre in Cincinnati has 24 Stones in stock
Gutsy on Enzo's part to get 24 of them, and maybe just a bit hoggish. :grin: :smiley: :cool:
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Off topic but regarding price "adjustments" I was talking with the manager of an all Japanese plus KTM store about a KTM 390 Enduro R. He said they're selling them for $7,299. Their cost now including tariff is $6,960, MSRP is $5,500. When asked he didn't know from where the tariff was based because it was made in India yet purchased from KTM Austria.
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Wild1, why are you fighting this battle??
If you or anyone, anywhere are interested in exactly what stock on hand, all need be done is make a phone call, or send them an email. From experience, I can tell you they will get right back to you with whatever you need, photos, vin numbers etc.
And, as pointed out, they aren’t targeting “moto Guzzi forum”, it’s the dealers website we are discussing.
Now I have said enough, I’m laying down my pen/sword and leaving this fight. 😂 I wish you well.
I'm not fighting any "battle". I simply made an observation and you felt a need to fiercely defend them with your "sword".
I genuinely wish you well too.
Maybe some of the bikes are still in the crate
Anyway, when they come out, the look JUST like the picture. Imagine that.
Imagine if other motorcycle and auto dealerships tried not posting pictures and instead said, "trust me, it's just like the stock picture, so hand over your money." There's a reason they have at least one on the showroom floor.
Anyway, we all have our shopping habits and it's fine. Mine is to want to see what I'm purchasing before dropping a few thousand on the table. Happy riding!
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I am also in the, "show me an actual pic, not a stock photo" camp. Sitting here trying to come up with an explanation why I can't quite decide, it's just my gut feeling
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https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=123728.0
Here's one out of the crate.
Several of us have purchased Guzzi motorcycles sight unseen from know reputable dealers. Three times for me. Never a surprise.
Seriously. Not being a wise guy. A buyer interested in a bike wouldn't go see the bike? They'd think the bike would be different from the stock picture? You'd have to see the exact bike before you drove there to look it over? If so, is the picture critical? It's a new machine.
I've uncrated bikes several times at a dealership. If 24 came in it would take me a week, especially at a small dealership. One gets pulled away several times a day for other things.
Anyway, MMV depending on buyer.
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https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=123728.0
Here's one out of the crate.
Several of us have purchased Guzzi motorcycles sight unseen from know reputable dealers. Three times for me. Never a surprise.
Seriously. Not being a wise guy. A buyer interested in a bike wouldn't go see the bike? They'd think the bike would be different from the stock picture? You'd have to see the exact bike before you drove there to look it over? If so, is the picture critical? It's a new machine.
I've uncrated bikes several times at a dealership. If 24 came in it would take me a week, especially at a small dealership. One gets pulled away several times a day for other things.
Anyway, MMV depending on buyer.
^^^^^^ This
Last two purchases were sight unseen. Even the dealer didn’t have one at the time of purchase. Have a commitment to purchase another hopefully in the next few weeks.
Pete
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I am also in the, "show me an actual pic, not a stock photo" camp. Sitting here trying to come up with an explanation why I can't quite decide, it's just my gut feeling
For a brand new bike, stock photo works.
A used bike? I need at least a half dozen photos, preferably more. I bought 4 bikes sight unseen. 3 of them were bikes I was very familiar with. The 4th bike was a 3 year old/1200 mile model that was as pictured. I have been satisfied with all but 1 of my purchases and very happy with a couple of them.
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I bought two V85TTs from Enzo in '21. I didn't see them till we picked them up. It was no problem - they were NEW bikes. I'm sure if you wanted a current photo of a particular bike, he would be more than happy to oblige you. You would be hard pressed to find a more honest dealer.
(https://i.ibb.co/MD20rVhC/IMG-6926.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD20rVhC)
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Gutsy on Enzo's part to get 24 of them, and maybe just a bit hoggish. :grin: :smiley: :cool:
This isn't his first rodeo! He has done this big closeout buy many times and sells them all to lucky owners. I bought a 23 Guardian of the Orieos last year from him. Great deal. No BS charges. As I recall, it was $800 for freight and $50 for the title. Mostly because Ohio makes him title it to the new owner with an Ohio title to eliminate paying sales tax there. You pay that at home. Fantastic dealer, and he will deliver it, I think, 200 miles for free.
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Sometimes posting with you guys is like playing Telephone. I didn’t say he had 24 motorcycles for sale at $6,500! I said that he has 24, as short for 2024, that’s why they are $6,500 and not thousands more like the 26s! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother?
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That's really funny Chad. We are 2 pages in and you drop the bomb on us that we have been kibbutzing about the incorrect meaning to your post.
My hat's off to you sir, I don't use emojis so I just have to say, I appreciate the irony.
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Wild1, why are you fighting this battle??
If you or anyone, anywhere are interested in exactly what stock on hand, all need be done is make a phone call, or send them an email. From experience, I can tell you they will get right back to you with whatever you need, photos, vin numbers etc.
And, as pointed out, they aren’t targeting “moto Guzzi forum”, it’s the dealers website we are discussing.
Now I have said enough, I’m laying down my pen/sword and leaving this fight. 😂 I wish you well.
Bad Chad,
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever surrender!
Lick your wounds, rub some dirt on them, and get back in the fight!
The world needs directions and supervision now more than ever!
If not you, who? If not now, when?
:thumb:
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Sometimes posting with you guys is like playing Telephone. I didn’t say he had 24 motorcycles for sale at $6,500! I said that he has 24, as short for 2024, that’s why they are $6,500 and not thousands more like the 26s! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother?
Just remember Bro, you only hurt the ones you love.....
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I rode the new V7 Sport yesterday and in discussing specifics, the freight is now $800. This is where they have tucked in the tariff charges instead of raising the base cost of the bikes, I was told.
The new tariff rates are mid-2025. I would think that these 2024 bikes were under the old rates. A technical point, I know.
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If anyone is looking for a new bike now is the time to grab it. Anything coming into the country now is going to be tariffed. If I am up to date an increase of 10% will be added to the price. With the somewhat small margins on new bikes I don't think dealer will be able to absorb much.
kk
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..... and the tariff is calculated based on the declared value of the goods at the point of import, not on the retail price at which they’re sold.
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Those are stock images and potential customers want to see the actual bikes being offered. Maybe it's the reason they still have 2024 models.
Cadre is the shop Piaggio USA appeals to to move out inventory, because of their capability and reputation. Despite being in an out of the way locale with a shop about the size of subdivision ranch build from 1972, they've been among the top sellers of Moto Guzzi's (exclusive - not a Piaggio franchise), top meaning top three in North America. So yeah...not a ton of dosh being directed at Web presence, but it shows up in the transaction and the support. Just sayin'
Give them a call if you're interested in a bike and I'm certain you'll feel supported as a potential customer.
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Cadre is the shop Piaggio USA appeals to to move out inventory, because of their capability and reputation. Despite being in an out of the way locale with a shop about the size of subdivision ranch build from 1972, they've been among the top sellers of Moto Guzzi's (exclusive - not a Piaggio franchise), top meaning top three in North America. So yeah...not a ton of dosh being directed at Web presence, but it shows up in the transaction and the support. Just sayin'
Give them a call if you're interested in a bike and I'm certain you'll feel supported as a potential customer.
I think Cadre is the latest in a long list of shops that Piaggio used to do that.
In the past that honor went to Moto International and a few years ago it was Extreme in Accident MD.
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I hear what you're saying Kev. But I believe Cadre has been doing what they do, as a MG only dealer since 2011, so 14 years and they seem to have made a mark on the market.
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I hear what you're saying Kev. But I believe Cadre has been doing what they do, as a MG only dealer since 2011, so 14 years and they seem to have made a mark on the market.
I have every respect for them. I think they're the real deal and I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying Piaggio has a history of selling one dealer bikes at a price lower than any of the others each year and sadly it screws up the market for the rest. But it would be silly of the selected dealer not to take the offer.
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They do seem to move bikes! I don't recall hearing from a dissatisfied customer.
They must be doing something right.
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FWIW AF1 has a couple 24 V7s for same price, and a Corsa for $500 more
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I like THIS ONE!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing:
(https://i.ibb.co/JWRLK6zq/Screenshot-2025-08-12-at-5-23-05-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/JWRLK6zq)
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I like the Corsa too!
I think the 2025 V85 Strada at $10,500 is a more versatile and better overall motorcycle than the 2026 V7 Sport that costs $200 more.
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I think the 2025 V85 Strada at $10,500 is a more versatile and better overall motorcycle than the 2026 V7 Sport that costs $200 more.
But it's still a V85 so no thanks. I'll take the "better" to me V7 Sport all day long
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Yes I'm aware you don't like V85's. I like both but given the V85's nicer suspension, a bit more power, a little roomier and more versatile, the case can be made. Styling for both is of course subjective and certainly enters into one's ultimate decision.
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But it's still a V85 so no thanks. I'll take the "better" to me V7 Sport all day long
In your humble, but very much venerated opinion, what are the differences that tip the scale one way or the other?
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No one has made note that 2024 V100S is selling for $5k less than list for the 2025s. Pretty impressive discount.
Pete
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In your humble, but very much venerated opinion, what are the differences that tip the scale one way or the other?
It's completely personal preference, like a Brazilian percent subjective.
But for me:
* Looks.
* Seat height (I don't need low, but I like it).
* Easier access to air cleaner.
* In all previous versions I've ridden I prefer the way the V7s are tuned, I just prefer the feel of the motor.
* I don't really ride off-road or fire trails and even if I did around here the V85 would be just as useless in the deep sugar sand.
* It's more fun to do more with less. And that even goes for the suspension. I don't really need the USD forks, but I like them. I definitely don't need the V85 suspension.
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Kev: If you liked the 24 and earlier V7s you are going to love the sport when you ride it. It takes all the things you already love and makes them even better, especially the power delivery lower in the range.
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Trust me. Piaggio USA is so unbelievable to deal with I have NO CLUE how dealers do it. It's not nearly as simple as "yea, I'll take them". That's not even in the same ballpark as to what's required.
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Kev: If you liked the 24 and earlier V7s you are going to love the sport when you ride it. It takes all the things you already love and makes them even better, especially the power delivery lower in the range.
Everyone who reviews the new V7s comments about the very noticeable extra punch of the motor. This extra power while simultaneously meeting the more stringent E5+emission requirements makes me think the Guzzi power train engineers are practicing witchcraft. :grin: Bravo to them!