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Like many of you, I've been riding and waiving while riding for well over 30+ years. The whole "Two wheeled Brotherhood thing"
Well, I'm over it. Not sure how it happend, but it started on my 3K run out to Arkansas. At about day 10, I got tired of waiving. And it got me thinking. Do I wave at scooters? Monkeys? Trikes? Those gastly 3 wheeled spaceship looking things with bright LEDs everywhere and blasting stereo's? Not really...... And what about brands? Styles? It got me thinking, do I wave to every muscle car or vintage sports car? Every pickup Truck? Its like the whole Jeep thing. Do they waive when passing a 4Runner? Even if it is amore serious off road rig? NOPE.
So maybe I am just old and cranky, but I'm mostly done waving. Even the low side two finger thing I've been doing unenthusiastically and out of obligation to the 'brotherhood' the last few years.
Anybody else where I am?
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Yes.
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No. I wave usually, but never did that two finger secret code thing; just waved.
It really is a brotherhood, as I keep relearning when I need help. Good luck.
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When I am on a trip I wave except in a tight turn,locally not as much.It is a sight of respect and friendship toward the few riders who travel away from home.
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I usually wait a while to see if anyones going to wave, if they do I start waving, If I see a sidecar coming towards me I give a Left hand salute.
Roy
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Great thread.
I am an inveterate waver. If you're on two or three wheels, without a roof and doors, you're getting a wave from me.
To be specific, it's not actually a wave but "the low side two finger thing." On rare occasions, it's the "direct one-finger point," as in, "You, there. I see how cool you are." :grin:
Where I am in Western NC, it's not always reciprocated, but I'd say about 90% of riders signal back. This COULD be due to the fact that I'm often on a scooter around home, and non-wavers may think scooters are not part of the club.
On my recent trip through MO, IL, KY, and TN, on the Guzzi, the Midwest won for wavers. It was essentially 100%. Could have been the people, could have been the Cali...
I find where it gets dicey is on the highway. In the Heartland, we were waving at each other on opposite sides of the interstate. Nearly dislocated my shoulder a few times in the windblast.
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If somebody waves at me, in any form, I try and wave back. For me, it just seems like the polite thing to do. I wave first sometimes. The only times I don't wave back is if it's a huge group ride type thing. To each his own.
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I almost always wave. Again, seems like the polite thing to do to wave back. The two finger thing always struck me as some kind of childish secret wave, so I just do a full palm wave (with fingers attached, of course :grin:). I rarely wave to riders on the other side of a boulevard or divided highway.
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I’m finding more riders waving than in the past, especially Harley riders. 54 years of riding and waving. I’m not old and cranky yet.
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Ugh I hate myself for responding.
But here I go.
I wave a lot.
If I'm walking (for exercise), or hiking, or running, I wave to pretty much everyone I pass. If they have a dog I also say "beautiful pup".
If I'm on a bike I wave to everything that is remotely bike oriented, and often even the pedal pushers. I also wave to anyone who remotely is interested, friendly, kids, landscapers who get out of the way, old people on porches, etc.
When I owned boats I waved to every boater I passed.
If I'm in one of my Jeeps I wave to Wranglers, Gladiators, and most other models if they look remotely "enthusiast" owned.
And that last one explains the common element, "enthusiast".
I mean I have to qualify it some way or I could wind up waving to everyone 24/7. I wave to anyone I feel remotely connected to in some way, even if it's just good vibes.
But here's the really REALLY important point.
I wave because of what it says about me.
It's nice to get a wave back or a smile or whatever.
But it doesn't matter what I get in return.
As I tell my kids, my wave only says something about me. The reaction I get only says something about them.
So do as you will, it doesn't really matter to me.
Imma gonna wave anyway.
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Ugh I hate myself for responding.
But here I go.
I wave a lot.
If I'm walking (for exercise), or hiking, or running, I wave to pretty much everyone I pass. If they have a dog I also say "beautiful pup".
If I'm on a bike I wave to everything that is remotely bike oriented, and often even the pedal pushers. I also wave to anyone who remotely is interested, friendly, kids, landscapers who get out of the way, old people on porches, etc.
When I owned boats I waved to every boater I passed.
If I'm in one of my Jeeps I wave to Wranglers, Gladiators, and most other models of they look remotely "enthusiast" owned.
And that last one explains the common element, "enthusiast".
I mean I have to qualify it some way or I could wind up waving to everyone 24/7. I wave to anyone I feel remotely connected to in some way, even if it's just good vibes.
But here's the really REALLY important point.
I wave because of what it says about me.
It's nice to get a wave back or a smile or whatever.
But it doesn't matter what I get in return.
As I tell my kids, my wave only says something about me. The reaction I get only says something about them.
So do as you will, it doesn't really matter to me.
Imma gonna wave anyway.
Wonderfully said Kev! The world needs more people like that!
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I've noticed a trend that riders who don't wear helmets are typically the ones that don't wave back to me when I wave as I'm always wearing a helmet. I'm not part of their brotherhood, and that's OK with me...no biggie. I won’t see them again anyway.
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I wave. I also say please and thank you. I hold doors for strangers. I'm considerate in roundabouts. I'm not old and cranky.
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Ugh I hate myself for responding.
But here I go.
I wave a lot.
If I'm walking (for exercise), or hiking, or running, I wave to pretty much everyone I pass. If they have a dog I also say "beautiful pup".
If I'm on a bike I wave to everything that is remotely bike oriented, and often even the pedal pushers. I also wave to anyone who remotely is interested, friendly, kids, landscapers who get out of the way, old people on porches, etc.
When I owned boats I waved to every boater I passed.
If I'm in one of my Jeeps I wave to Wranglers, Gladiators, and most other models of they look remotely "enthusiast" owned.
And that last one explains the common element, "enthusiast".
I mean I have to qualify it some way or I could wind up waving to everyone 24/7. I wave to anyone I feel remotely connected to in some way, even if it's just good vibes.
But here's the really REALLY important point.
I wave because of what it says about me.
It's nice to get a wave back or a smile or whatever.
But it doesn't matter what I get in return.
As I tell my kids, my wave only says something about me. The reaction I get only says something about them.
So do as you will, it doesn't really matter to me.
Imma gonna wave anyway.
Great convicting and needed punch in the throat from my NY Brother from another mother. :grin: :grin:
This WAS exactly how I felt for years, and acted, but something shifted the last couple years, mainly this year or two.
But as for the 'brotherhood' I stop and help anyone who needs it regardless of 2-4-3 wheels and do what I can to help. Thats a given.
Went to a local bikes & breakfast event today, probably over 200 bikes. Really impressed with the turn out, but super impressed with the young guys. I left with a group of 3 20 somethings after talking for a bit to show them a couple of my favorite routes. All Sportish bikes, a Triumph Speed Triple, BMW1000, and a Yamaha FZ900(?) was a great day.
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I wave. I also say please and thank you. I hold doors for strangers. I'm considerate in roundabouts. I'm not old and cranky.
LOL, yes, me too, its just when riding lately I find myself not wanting to wave back. I'm NOT that bad :grin: :grin:
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LOL, yes, me too, its just when riding lately I find myself not wanting to wave back. I'm NOT that bad :grin: :grin:
And to be clear, I'm NOT calling my Paumanok brother a bad person. It's ok to not want to reach out, sometimes constantly. You know how dam many Jeeps there are where I live, lol. It's even worse when we head to the OBX.
All good man, all good.
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Well.....one week riding in the Black Hills, Sturgis......not one wave. Me or others. :thumb:
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They got to wave first.Too many Harley riders here won’t even look at you if you wear a helmet or ain’t riding their brand. “If’n it ain’t a Harley it ain’t a bike”
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Peace sign..70’s style
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Ugh I hate myself for responding.
But here I go.
I wave a lot.
If I'm walking (for exercise), or hiking, or running, I wave to pretty much everyone I pass. If they have a dog I also say "beautiful pup".
If I'm on a bike I wave to everything that is remotely bike oriented, and often even the pedal pushers. I also wave to anyone who remotely is interested, friendly, kids, landscapers who get out of the way, old people on porches, etc.
When I owned boats I waved to every boater I passed.
If I'm in one of my Jeeps I wave to Wranglers, Gladiators, and most other models of they look remotely "enthusiast" owned.
And that last one explains the common element, "enthusiast".
I mean I have to qualify it some way or I could wind up waving to everyone 24/7. I wave to anyone I feel remotely connected to in some way, even if it's just good vibes.
But here's the really REALLY important point.
I wave because of what it says about me.
It's nice to get a wave back or a smile or whatever.
But it doesn't matter what I get in return.
As I tell my kids, my wave only says something about me. The reaction I get only says something about them.
So do as you will, it doesn't really matter to me.
Imma gonna wave anyway.
Excellent post Kev!
A lot more sanity than much of the world displays...
I believe the following is from Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman(?)
"If I meet someone and they don't like me, it is a not a reflection on me, but on them!"
From Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl:
"Between stimulus and response, man has the ability to choose!"
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is full of similar great advice.
And of course the "reflection on them" is always subject to our current state of mind. Offense is always in the receiver, not the transmitter.
Much of life is inkblots. I think the key to sanity and happiness is determining what each and every inkblot means for yourself. Letting others decide for you is surrendering agency!
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Like many of you, I've been riding and waiving while riding for well over 30+ years. The whole "Two wheeled Brotherhood thing"
Well, I'm over it. Not sure how it happend, but it started on my 3K run out to Arkansas. At about day 10, I got tired of waiving. And it got me thinking. Do I wave at scooters? Monkeys? Trikes? Those gastly 3 wheeled spaceship looking things with bright LEDs everywhere and blasting stereo's? Not really...... And what about brands? Styles? It got me thinking, do I wave to every muscle car or vintage sports car? Every pickup Truck? Its like the whole Jeep thing. Do they waive when passing a 4Runner? Even if it is amore serious off road rig? NOPE.
So maybe I am just old and cranky, but I'm mostly done waving. Even the low side two finger thing I've been doing unenthusiastically and out of obligation to the 'brotherhood' the last few years.
Anybody else where I am?
Be crusty Bro!
I miss the crusty old farts I grew up with in the 60's & 70's!!!!
One never had to guess what they were thinking!!
Some days before I leave the house, I put a little shaving cream in my ears! Even if I have not shaved for days! Just so others can see it!
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Just get a Honda.
The Gold Wing guys have it figured out.
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Just get a Honda.
The Gold Wing guys have it figured out.
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It's easy to control the "to wave or not to wave function."
It's the interpretation that is glitchy.....
Lots of messed up BIOS out there.....
Who knows what software "they" are running?
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A guy buys his first motorcycle.
Year 1 - Waves at everyone. Motorcycles, scooters, trikes, hacks, bicycles, and kids on tricycles. Even across four lanes of interstate highway and 200 feet of median.
Year 5 - Waves at motorcycles, trikes, and hacks.
Year 10 - Only occasionally waves at motorcycles, on 2 laned roads.
Year 20 - Develops "wave elbow" and stops waving.
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I wave except to Goldwing riders who almost never wave back and HD riders with unusually high ape hangers, mostly for fear that they will crash if they wave.
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I wave except to Goldwing riders who almost never wave back and HD riders with unusually high ape hangers, mostly for fear that they will crash if they wave.
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I always wave to all motorcyclists passing me on the open road, especially on a long road trip :thumb: :boozing:
I figure, they are out there just like me..."In The Wind" and enjoying the moment, so why not? :wink:
...and in recent years, I notice three major types of motorcycles out on the open highways....
* Big Twin Harley's (many are rentals?)
* Gold Wings...
* BMW adventure bikes of all shapes and sizes...
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I don’t initiate the wave and rarely wave back. Most of my riding is in traffic around my local area. I’ve had some unforeseen instances were if I wouldn’t had my hands on the bars and close to the controls, I would’ve gone down. To me routinely waving is a bad habit.
If I’m on a traffic free backroad I’ll wave back. All safety dependent on what’s happening around me.
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I wave except to Goldwing riders who almost never wave back and HD riders with unusually high ape hangers, mostly for fear that they will crash if they wave.
There are at least 3-4 of us Norge riders who are also Goldwing riders. :) I can't say that my personality changes when I switch bikes...but imagine that my Guzzi friends wouldn't wave to me if I was riding the Goldwing vs. the Norge...oh the horror, the drama!!
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Oh, I'll wave to Goldwing riders but they have to initiate the wave and I can count those times on one hand. Quite frankly I rarely see anyone riding a Goldwing nowadays.
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I generally wave to every bike except Harleys unless they wave first. It mainly comes from when I had my Audace. Once when out riding it a group of Harleys was approaching, the lead rider started to wave but when he realized I wasn't riding a Harley he quickly jerked his hand back. So I adjust my behavior accordingly. I now ride with my bright yellow air bag vest so they don't generally wave at me much anymore anyway.
kk
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If everybody who rides a street bike reads this thread, there would be a lot less riders waving to each other.
Mike the imaginary motorcyclist: "I used to wave to other riders, out of a sense of camaraderie. But after spending time on the internet, it seems a lot of them are miserable SOB's. So I stopped waving! I used to think that riding a motorcycle made people happy. Apparently not. Since they are not as happy as me, screw em!"
This would make a great Southpark episode!
Maybe there is a market for little yellow signs to put on motorcycles, "Misanthrope on board!"
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I signed a waver waiver and I’ll never waver…
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I signed a wave waiver…
Huzo,
Do riders generally wave at each other in Oz?
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Yesterday I went on my best ever 6 hour ride in south central Pennsylvania. Glorious! When I waved, every rider waved back, even Harley riders, which seems to be an improving phenomenon.
A sad state of affairs when you hear grown adults say… “I’m not waving unless they wave first”.
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Hungover and late for morning muster, I tried to dodge saluting the Sub Group Admiral as I stumbled towards my boat. It did not go unnoticed.
I tend to wave even when it gets monotonous.
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"Us vs Them" waving protocol.
Fascinating stuff. Who would have thought it was part of adulthood. I must be getting to be of "those old men".
I wave at little sisters and brothers at my bus stops. Does that count?
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"Us vs Them" waving protocol.
Fascinating stuff. Who would have thought is was part of adulthood. I must be getting to be of "those old men".
I wave at little sisters and brothers at my bus stops. Does that count?
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Amen. Few things are more curious than the concept of group identity.
The minutia of being socially acceptable prejudiced is a complex web of subtleties......
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I signed a wave waiver…
Are you required by law to prominently display that on your motorcycle?
To what ministry does one apply to get one of those?
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One of my buddies got tired of waving years ago too... solved it with a hand cut-out on a spring that bounces back and forth. Now he can wave to everyone at bike week.
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In those countries where they drive on the left instead of the right, does sticking a foot or knee out "count" as a valid "wave"...so you don't have to take your hand off the throttle?
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I’m with you Steve. It gets old.
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It gets old, or you get old? :wink:
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I’m with you Steve. It gets old.
Yeah brother that's the point.
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Yeah brother that's the point.
I hear ya.
I gave up initiating waves about 20 years ago. I'll wave back if there is enough time.
Motorcyclists waving seems more like a northern thing. Due to less nice weather I guess.
People, they're all like that!
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Huzo,
Do riders generally wave at each other in Oz?
More of a knowing tilt of the head.
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Motorcyclists waving seems more like a northern thing. Due to less nice weather I guess.
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I always wave when I'm riding in 30 degree weather because I feel a kindred spirit. At least one other idiot riding and freezing his *** off.
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I wave at bikes, trikes, snowmachiners, moose, muskox and cute Eskimo chicks! :drool:
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And sometimes....they wave back! Not the moose or muskox!!
"On twos, we show the deuce!"
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I wave, unless sometimes I don't.
The best is when you pass a group of 15 riders and just keep your hand out for the whole procession :grin:
Interesting to see how each one reacts :popcorn:
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Interesting thoughts...... So other than Kev who waves at anything living (or dead) how do you approach other 'enthusiast' activities?
BTW, if you think the Harley guys are bad at not waiving, you should see how the GT 350/Cobra crowd treat the rest of the Mustang Community, especially the Eco Boost..... THe Bullitt gets some cred, but it is hysterical. And let's not forget how the 911 crowd is between air and water cooled versions of the worlds finest automobile ever made....
My point is, I could care less if someone waves back. Never have, never will. If I waved and the other rider/driver doesn't wave back, I just chuckle. I'm just a bit tired of it as an obligation, and freed myself from the obligation. One point that stuck out, maybe made by SIr Real Ed is the encouragement it gives younger riders. I'm just glad we as riders dont have to put those stupid rubber ducks on someone's motorcycle, or I don't find them on mine. Cigars? Yeah man.......... In fact, If I ever see a Guzzi in the wild, I'm gonna leave a CIgar from now on, or give it to its rider............ THATS community. :grin:
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good thread. Community, loners, offense, acceptance, nonchalance, warm fuzzys, butthurt, etc.
Makes me think the discussion about inkblots have very little to do with the inkblots themselves, which is why the discussions are so interesting.
The discussions remind me of an old co-worker quoting his father.
"My Dad used to say there are two kinds of people in the world. Those for whom no explanation is necessary, and those for whom no explanation is possible."
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Quick tip for those who want to be waved at.
I used to ride up to a friends land that I groomed for trials. He let me keep an ATV and some tools in his barn, so I could ride my street bike up there and back.
On the way home, I stopped several times to buy two cantaloupes at a road side produce stand.
The best way to carry them of course was to slip them inside my jacket. Most of the time they were a lot bigger than a softball, almost soccer ball size.
Apparently, if you have melons other people are friendlier...... who knew?
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Quick tip for those who want to be waved at……
Apparently, if you have melons other people are friendlier...... who knew?
Ummm.. it’s funny now but let’s just say I didn’t seem to make any friends when I hit that bump & lost a giant watermelon off the back of my shovelhead doing 80 on the interstate.
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Ummm.. it’s funny now but let’s just say I didn’t seem to make any friends when I hit that bump & lost a giant watermelon off the back of my shovelhead doing 80 on the interstate.
That would have been a great video, and an awesome weapon to deploy against tailgaters.....
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I'm with Kev - I wave at everybody.
Mostly they wave back, too! :grin:
Harley riders are the most snobbish, methinks.
They frequently don't wave.
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Harley riders are the most snobbish, methinks.
They frequently don't wave.
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The Beemer guys have them beat.
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The Beemer guys have them beat.
In all fairness, they are usually busy programming their GPS, or fine tuning the Teutonic TCS. Not to mention making sure that all 18 roundels are perfectly aligned…
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The Beemer guys are usually standing on the pegs so they don't have a free hand.
kk
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I do "The Nod" and it can be quite subtle, after all I am an Aussie and lived in the Central West for 7 years. :grin: If someone waves I'll wave back. If someone is stopped at the side of the road and looks like they are having trouble, I'll stop and say "Orright mate?"
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to date, no one has mutated this thread into "Why I waved kissing goodbye."
Old men losing their game maybe.......
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Well fellers I done goofed. This morning, I decided to go for a quick ride to check some changes I made to the bike and before I knew it I waved at a guy on a metric cruised coming the opposite direction. After a quick stop at the gas station back under way I encountered a guy on a spyder and damned if I didn't wave to him. A few miles later two Harleys of all thing coming the opposite direction and uncontrollably my left hand went up. A few more miles down the road I ran across a guy on a Harley trike and his partner on a 2 wheels Harley and this time I was prepared and did not wave but gave them a nod. Then as I rode past a golf course I haphazardly waved at a golfer. Damned if he didn't wave back. On the road back to the house I ended up waving at a couple more riders on sport bikes and one on a motard and then as I pulled into the development a landscaper of all people waved at me so i wave back as much as it pained me to be cordial.
So there you have it, turns out I'm an indiscriminate compulsive waver. I really though my mother raised me better but I guess not.
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As the kids nowadays say, "You do you."
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I get tired of waving. I really do. Especially in the city. But I usually return a wave. Especially in Kansas or Nebraska.
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Well fellers I done goofed. This morning, I decided to go for a quick ride to check some changes I made to the bike and before I knew it I waved at a guy on a metric cruised coming the opposite direction. After a quick stop at the gas station back under way I encountered a guy on a spyder and damned if I didn't wave to him. A few miles later two Harleys of all thing coming the opposite direction and uncontrollably my left hand went up. A few more miles down the road I ran across a guy on a Harley trike and his partner on a 2 wheels Harley and this time I was prepared and did not wave but gave them a nod. Then as I rode past a golf course I haphazardly waved at a golfer. Damned if he didn't wave back. On the road back to the house I ended up waving at a couple more riders on sport bikes and one on a motard and then as I pulled into the development a landscaper of all people waved at me so i wave back as much as it pained me to be cordial.
So there you have it, turns out I'm an indiscriminate compulsive waver. I really though my mother raised me better but I guess not.
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Nothing wrong with putting out a good vibe! Karma is real!
I usually wave at pedestrians. Motorcyclists need some good PR.
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I get tired of waving. I really do. Especially in the city. But I usually return a wave. Especially in Kansas or Nebraska.
I recently did a trip from IL to CO on a Honda Trail 125 and passed through KS on US-36. In some areas of Kansas, folks driving cars and trucks even lifted their hand from the top of the steering wheel to give the oncoming rural wave. The cagers are in on it too!
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I always thought it would be fun to give the finger to riders who wave at me. I have never done it for several reasons, but I think it would be interesting to observe the various reactions it would likely produce.
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I always thought it would be fun to give the finger to riders who wave at me. I have never done it for several reasons, but I think it would be interesting to observe the various reactions it would likely produce.
You wave first - Step 1
They don't wave back - Step 2
You get pissed, and give them the finger - Step 3
They turn around and chase you - Step 4
You end up having a beer together and discussing the spirit of waving - Step 5
Winning plan!!
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Bad idea to give anyone you don’t know the finger these days,risk of ass kicking or worse.
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They got to wave first.Too many Harley riders here won’t even look at you if you wear a helmet or ain’t riding their brand. “If’n it ain’t a Harley it ain’t a bike”
I too am tiring of the waving thing and I don't adhere to it unless I feel like it. I just returned from a weekend trip and just HAD IT with waving at a string of multiple bikes over and over...especially when in a corner....I decided I'm not takin' my hand off the bars on a 2-lane sweeper with limited sight lines to wave, just almost seems lame.
Regarding the quote, I ran into many bikes at the campsite and elsewhere, and without fail the non-Harleys acknowledged my presence and quipped about my nice red Norge. Never a Harly rider, parked next to several along the way, at the beer store and once at an ice-cream shop, sitting next to a couple also having ice cream at the same picnic table. I said hi, they meekly acknowledge, then said nothing. I am not offended or even annoyed, just amazed.
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Nothing wrong with putting out a good vibe! Karma is real!
I usually wave at pedestrians. Motorcyclists need some good PR.
Grace travels outside of Karma
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Karma, is a lovely quaint notion, but that's all it is, it does not exist. For every time an event happens that's attributed to Karma, there are far more that get no help from karma. Saying an event is do to karma, is like saying a broken clock tells the time of day.
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Karma, is a lovely quaint notion, but that's all it is, it does not exist. For every time an event happens that's attributed to Karma, there are far more that get no help from karma. Saying an event is do to karma, is like saying a broken clock tells the time of day.
I know when I forget to wind the grandfather clock and the hands stops it still give the correct time twice per day.
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I always thought it would be fun to give the finger to riders who wave at me. I have never done it for several reasons, but I think it would be interesting to observe the various reactions it would likely produce.
For some, not waving is the equivalent.....
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Karma, is a lovely quaint notion, but that's all it is, it does not exist. For every time an event happens that's attributed to Karma, there are far more that get no help from karma. Saying an event is do to karma, is like saying a broken clock tells the time of day.
Karma is more like a fun concept. Kinda like schadenfreude. Or believing in Santa Claus.
Seeing a mean person get hurt or suffer a loss, may not be cosmic justice in the absolute sense, but it can be very reassuring to those who do the hard work of disciplining themselves to not be A-holes just cause it feels good in the moment.
Not that I have ever met any people like that in real life or even on the internet.....
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Karma is more like a fun concept. Kinda like schadenfreude. Or believing in Santa Claus.
Seeing a mean person get hurt or suffer a loss, may not be cosmic justice in the absolute sense, but it can be very reassuring to those who do the hard work of disciplining themselves to not be A-holes just cause it feels good in the moment.
Not that I have ever met any people like that in real life or even on the internet.....
This is why I prefer Grace
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This is why I prefer Grace
Me too, especially around 1969
(https://i.ibb.co/gbkvjW6T/singer-grace-slick-at-woodstock-1969-photograph-by-henry-v0-uitrd2uozbgc1.webp) (https://ibb.co/gbkvjW6T)
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Me too, especially around 1969
(https://i.ibb.co/gbkvjW6T/singer-grace-slick-at-woodstock-1969-photograph-by-henry-v0-uitrd2uozbgc1.webp) (https://ibb.co/gbkvjW6T)
I go for the original........ but Ms Kelly is a close second :grin:
(https://i.ibb.co/MyZwnGnN/grace-kelly-3738454625.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MyZwnGnN)
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This is why I prefer Grace
Fair enough. Grace, or the closest equivalent for some people, grrrr-ace, is a personal choice.
Karma is the universe saying "well played, here's an atta-boy for you" or "not so fast bubba, you ain't getting away with it this time."
Schadenfreude is the warm fuzzy feeling of seeing cosmic justice dispensed appropriately, at least in the eye of the observer.
Or as they say in the South, "That's why stupid is supposed to hurt!"
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I was riding into England from Scotland on the M6 Motorway, late at night, it was a long, cold, miserable ride, 2 hours in and 2 to go if I'm lucky, coming the other way I see a lone headlight cutting through the sleet, I acknowledge him dipping his brights for me with a wave of my hand, he returns it and we carry on. That was 50 years ago and I've waved or nodded on occasion since, meeting a fellow traveler after a long stretch of road, long enough to remind you that it has been a long while (whatever that means :) usually being the trigger.
This waving at every tosser you come across is distracting and strikes me as a bit daft.
Rode to Sturgis last year and was amazed there weren't "wave related" pileups all along the way :) :cool:
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I was riding into England from Scotland on the M6 Motorway, late at night, it was a long, cold, miserable ride, 2 hours in and 2 to go if I'm lucky, coming the other way I see a lone headlight cutting through the sleet, I acknowledge him dipping his brights for me with a wave of my hand, he returns it and we carry on. That was 50 years ago and I've waved or nodded on occasion since, meeting a fellow traveler after a long stretch of road, long enough to remind you that it has been a long while (whatever that means :) usually being the trigger.
This waving at every tosser you come across is distracting and strikes me as a bit daft.
Rode to Sturgis last year and was amazed there weren't "wave related" pileups all along the way :) :cool:
I for one draw the line at waving at "tossers" :shocked:
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You wave first - Step 1
They don't wave back - Step 2
You get pissed, and give them the finger - Step 3
They turn around and chase you - Step 4
You end up having a beer together and discussing the spirit of waving - Step 5
Winning plan!!
Or they pull out a gun and shoot you…
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Or they pull out a gun and shoot you…
Only in the movies :shocked:
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Only in the movies :shocked:
Shhhh... don't deny the non-Merkins their fantasies about Merka!