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Title: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: fotoguzzi on December 12, 2025, 05:32:14 PM
My kid was sent out by his boss to buy a snowblower. I said get an Ego but they didn’t have any in stock so he got a big 2 stage gas blower. Like a dope he over filled the oil which I corrected. BUT noticed something that the manual doesn’t talk about. They don’t even mention oil changes.
 The fill / dip stick hole is number 1, assume #2 is the oil drain so what is #3 for in this pic? It also has a short dip stick. When I unscrewed it all the overfill spilled out all over my garage.. I know now, who’s the dope? I could have guessed the excess would flow out there but it was about half a quart so he really over filled it. Made a mess, blame myself.
So is #3 a level drain like the Guzzi rear drive and tranny have? You guys know more than the bimbo at the store where he got it so I won’t bother asking there.
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Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: cloudbase on December 12, 2025, 05:42:56 PM
Perhaps a gearbox?

There's likely a forum for this stuff somewhere on the internet that will have the information you need.  I'm surprised the manual doesn't have anything to say about it.
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: guzzisteve on December 12, 2025, 06:11:45 PM
#1--Fill & level check
#2--Drain plug
#3-- maybe gearbox drain?
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: Dr. Enzo Toma on December 12, 2025, 07:07:03 PM
For the V7 850 E5 at least I can tell you from first hand experience that the fill hole on the on the rear drive is not in line with the prescribed oil level, but to the point of your snow thrower, what model is it?

It looks like a Power Smart. Here's an owners' manual from a model that might be similar to yours:
https://www.m-and-d.com/pdfs/PowerSmart/DB7622H%20Snow%20Thrower.pdf
It states "Drain oil to proper level. Oil should not be above the top 2 threads of LOWER fill plug."
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: PeteS on December 12, 2025, 07:56:09 PM
#1 is the dipstick with oil level marked on. Not sure what #3 is other than its not the fill level.

Pete
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: drdwb on December 12, 2025, 10:06:34 PM
I’m impressed they still come with extended lower drain pipes.
The Toro self propelled lawn mowers require you to tip the mower over upside down so the old oil can drain out the fill/ dip stick tube. It’s a stupid throw away world we’re livin in I tell ya. Said while snapping red suspenders.
 The real maintenance issue on these is getting to the drive and auger belts, that’s a day job and not fun.
If your son is operating this remind him to always liberally spray the blades and all surfaces with silicone spray before use, especially with heavy wet snow, and after use get it in a warm garage to get all the ice out behind the blower or it’s really easy to burn a belt.

Keep your stick on the ice, and  remember we’re all pulling for ya.
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: n3303j on December 13, 2025, 12:09:39 AM
Those engines end up on different devices. The multiple fill points accommodate the different installations.
Bottom tube is an inconvenient drain.
Suction pump applied to lower fill plug will be a more convenient drain.
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: Tom on December 13, 2025, 01:55:14 AM
Of course, I have to ask "What's a snowblower?"   :grin:  Kidding.....  I'd be guessing anyway.   :undecided:
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: n3303j on December 13, 2025, 06:37:28 AM
Of course, I have to ask "What's a snowblower?"   :grin:  Kidding.....  I'd be guessing anyway.   :undecided:
Went south a few years ago and got chatting with a fellow who moved from Wisconsin to Texas. Asked him about the move. He said he put his snow plow on the front of his pickup and just started driving south until people started asking what the strange thing on the front of his truck was.

Further on in life wife and I were snowbirds. It really hit home when we were in Florida at Home Depot in January. The whole display out front was lawnmowers! Not a snow removal device to be seen!
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: JoeB on December 13, 2025, 07:32:46 AM
Something similar. Have a couple Honda engines, generator and power washer, that the drain is #2 and fill and check level is #3. No #1 but perhaps it's for ease of filling oil??
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: sign216 on December 13, 2025, 07:38:55 AM
Join this snowblower forum out of Canada (of course).  They have a wealth of experience.  I've been nursing an orig. Tecumseh flat head for years.

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/  (https://www.snowblowerforum.com/)

Please post your end result back with us.
Joe
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 13, 2025, 07:58:45 AM
Tecumseh built some great motors. I have a brush chipper that has one of these engines. Last winter the cover leaked and  the carb spent the winter full of water, basically ruined. I was able to buy a generic Chinese carb for about $20. It runs just like new. I hate buying Chinese products but that was basically the only choice.
kk
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: PeteS on December 13, 2025, 08:41:09 AM
Pretty sure the Briggs and Stratton on my Ariens was made in China. Start and runs OK so far. I’ve had to use it half a dozen times already. Is it Summer yet?

Pete
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 13, 2025, 09:40:48 AM
My kid was sent out by his boss to buy a snowblower. I said get an Ego but they didn’t have any in stock so he got a big 2 stage gas blower. Like a dope he over filled the oil which I corrected. BUT noticed something that the manual doesn’t talk about. They don’t even mention oil changes.
 The fill / dip stick hole is number 1, assume #2 is the oil drain so what is #3 for in this pic? It also has a short dip stick. When I unscrewed it all the overfill spilled out all over my garage.. I know now, who’s the dope? I could have guessed the excess would flow out there but it was about half a quart so he really over filled it. Made a mess, blame myself.
So is #3 a level drain like the Guzzi rear drive and tranny have? You guys know more than the bimbo at the store where he got it so I won’t bother asking there.
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one of my best friends in high school's father had a line he used any time my friend screwed up.

"The problem with kids is you can teach them everything you know and they still don't know anything!"
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: fotoguzzi on December 14, 2025, 05:00:23 PM
one of my best friends in high school's father had a line he used any time my friend screwed up.

"The problem with kids is you can teach them everything you know and they still don't know anything!"
that’s pretty good Ed
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 14, 2025, 05:24:08 PM
that’s pretty good Ed

Thanks.  I appreciated the self-deprecating humor even at the time.  My friend, with his teenage tender ego did not like that comment much.

I'm sure most parents arrive at that realization at some point.

Me: "How is Eric junior doing these days?"
My brother-in-law: "He is a lot like me.  And I quit bragging about that several years ago!"

Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. on East Coast Choppers reminded me of some many Father-Son relationships I've known.

Paul Sr. would go on endless rants about Paul Jr.'s lack of talent, skill, etc, etc.
Then Mikey, Paul Sr.'s son and Paul Jr.'s brother would put it all in perspective.

"Just remember Dad, his shortcomings as a son, are your shortcomings as a father!"

Ouch!

Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: Stretch on December 15, 2025, 06:38:51 PM
1. Convenient big yellow dipstick and oil fill.
2. Drain plug on extension from engine block.
3. Less convenient little yellow dipstick and oil fill.

These little Chinese engines are on everything these days.

I'm a long-time Tecumseh side-valve fan, but these little Asian
jobs are TOUGH. They're used on wood splitters, generators, and
all sorts of other power equipment.

If you look closely, there may be another drain plug and another
fill/dipstick on the opposite side of the engine block. My wood splitter
engine has two of each, and I think my generator powerplant does, too.
Easier to cast using ONE block pattern than a different one for each
application.

Usually the oil level is to the bottom of the threads in the lower
dipstick/oil fill; not to exceed the top of the threads. I use cheap 5W30 and
change it often. Use cardboard/foil/funnel/paper plate to direct used oil
into your drain plan. My BMW K75 manual says to use foil and/or cardboard for
said purpose whilst draining the gearbox. No need, methinks, to pull the wheel.
Put the other wheel on a scrap of wood or somesuch to tilt the whole rig while
draining the oil.


                                           -Stretch
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: ridingron on December 15, 2025, 11:57:27 PM
Some brass fittings and threaded tubing will get it draining into a pan easily.

If you pull the cotter pin will the wheel slide off?
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: sign216 on December 17, 2025, 07:25:51 PM
So pulled out my snowblower to get it ready for this winter (yes, a late start).  It's a 25 yr old Tecumseh side valve.  Wouldn't run.  Had spark, and would fire briefly w a spray of engine start.  Carb float bowl had no fuel, or just a little.  Fuel line appears clear.  Pulled off carb and float, and checked the float valve.  Seem fine.  The fuel tank is only 4 inches higher than the carb, so there's no a lot of gravity assist for the fuel flow, but it worked fine for years and years.  Engine would work, somewhat, if I tipped the blower at an angle, so that the fuel tank is a little higher.

Like I do w all my vintage machines, I added an inline fuel filter w a clear body, so I could see the fuel flow (or lack of it).  The filter was saturated w fuel, but no dirt, and there wasn't any fuel flow.  As a last resort, I changed the filter for a new one.  Now I got flow, and engine ran.  The old filter was 5 to 8 yrs old.  Perhaps over the many summers the wet filter pulled water from the air, and swelled the fibers shut.  I don't know.  But now changing my filter ever year or so is in my maintenance regime. 

Joe
Title: Re: NGC Snoblower motor question
Post by: TOMB on December 18, 2025, 09:45:13 AM
My snow blower has that same setup.1,2 and three, as in your picture number three is used in different applications, and that would be where the short dipstick would go in hope that clears it up

TOMB