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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guzzisteve on May 03, 2010, 11:11:17 AM
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Who will be the maker of a short stroker, anyone know of one. Quicker revving. 95x66.
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WOW :o That looks great!
Zoom Zoom,
John Henry
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I think that is HOT!
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That is great!
I was looking at a Bellagio a couple of weeks ago and thinking they would be a perfect base for a cafe bike.
Kurt
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Would be a looker if it didn't have the horrid tank. I'd be doubtful about the longevity of the alternator though with the Griso pipe in such close proximity.
Pete
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Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.
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I didn't like the look of the seat cowl on my V7R and I don't like it here either.
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Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.
A parts bin cruiser as a valuable collectable? Because California stones have skyrocketed in value in the last 15 or so years. It is exactly what I would start with.
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Wow! Getting close to the bike I'm waiting for Mandelo to build, basically a V7C with a 4 valve 1200 motor, CARC chassis and spoke wheels. Gotta have dual exhausts though, Termignoni CF would be nice and let's paint the tinware please.
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With an 8v engine in it, she'd be even more right! Maybe even a shorter stroke 8v, so the displacement would be the same as 2v Bellagio. Bet that'd wind up nicely.
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Something about it looks off to me. I suspect the kangaroo humper is right, in that the tank is all wrong. I may be off in the corner, but I think I'd rather run a stock Bellagio.
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Badass! And the Griso exhaust looks at home, too!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q6-Gwu_n80s/UTMx5L4OWWI/AAAAAAAA5UU/Nvv569hBE3g/s640/Die+Legende+lebt...-007.jpg)
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Chad roots pigs. Less tail to get in the way ;D
Pete
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I like it! ;-T
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Chad, lets be fair, he doesn't hump just any roo, only midget roos will do. :D
BTW, I like that cafe Bellagio also. ;-T
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;D ;D ;D
shortest stroke guzzi around - loves to rev, yet an amazingly sweet motor that just 'works' - the rest is cosmetic and for individual tastes...
This one? I like it even tho not a fan of the overblinged V7 racer looks.. the OEM whale shlong tank has grown on me tho I'd consider putting a V7/LM1 style tank on mine.. these bikes are eminently customisable - not sure the cross over Griso style pipes are necessary here and may even hurt re VDG's point, but yeah, getting rid of the cruiser style drop back bars and twin parallel silencers ought be mandatory IMO 8)
these photos were taken at the same spot - just south of Sydney - first is standard bellagio (not mine), second is mine..
before:
(http://www.bikeme.tv/bm_articles/bikes/2008/images/moto_guzzi_bellagio/bellagio1.jpg)
after:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/mozman87/IMAG0185.jpg)
mine with some further changes..
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/mozman87/MP3/P1010085.jpg)
they'll even tour ;D
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/mozman87/MP3/P1010077.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/mozman87/P1010200.jpg)
Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.
you mean a new V7? no - the bellagio is a big block and a sweet engine.
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You are correct. Allow me to restate. Why take a limited edition factory cafe racer and further modify it beyond recognition? Why not take any old common worn out California and customize it instead? Wait! I have an '01 EV. Hmmm.
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as you know there are plenty of tonti cafes out there..
I don't think the Bellagio is seen as a collectible - at least not here in Oz. I do understand it being seen as a good platform for cafeinatting tho - a tonti-ish frame with single sided CARC drive & mono rear suspension, the familiar push-rod big block engine, albeit twin plugged and super short stroke, 45mm marzocchi front end - all the basics with the rest up for personal customisation... what's not to love ;D
FYI there's a good bellagio wiki here (http://wiki.ab.sk/doku.php?id=guzzi:bellagio)
Still can't understand why they were never sold in the USA ???
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Still can't understand why they were never sold in the USA ???
This.
They are stupid fun. Really.
Pete
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Carl is dead-on about it being unique - here is the bellagio frame - & you can see why I said "tonti-ish"
(http://parts.ducatisanantonio.com/images/parts/MotoGuzzi/fullsize/BELLAGIO%20940010.jpg)
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First glance I like it...but the more I look at it, the more I like my '13 Racer. My main critique of this bike is the single sided swingarm. As some had mentioned about the "old-look" of the dual exhaust being more appealing, I also think that the "old-look" of a 2 shock swingarm is what MG achieved with the entire current V7 line. Much like HD did with practically their entire lineup by building old looking bikes. My brother's first comment about my bike was "looks like something from the 70s". Exactly MG's design goal. This bellagio misses that point.
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I like short stroke twins. Ducati's 748 and 848 are great fun! Buell's SB9R 984cc engine was a hoot, and similar in concept to the Bellagio's engine. Shortest crank with the biggest pistons in the parts bin.
A factory-made cafe Bellagio like the one that inspired this thread would sell like hotcakes. It would probably take away a few V7 sales, but would also probably sell to some people who wouldn't ever buy a small block.
Sure, the CARC is modern element on a retro bike, but it works. Modern suspension is a good thing. The rear suspension of the V7 series is a limiting factor in performance and comfort, so I could feel OK about making the trade.
There have been some great Bellagio-based custom cafes over the past few years. I hope the factory has been watching.
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Seeing that really makes me wish they would have imported the CARCifornia to the US.
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I think it looks a bit off, SB tank don't fit down over the frame but on top of it, same w/rear.
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A guy here in Germany is building 936cc V7 Cafe Racers, hence the 'CR'. Seems that Bellagio jugs will bolt on to the small block. I'm still translating it from german. I'll keep trying.
I know they cost 17,500 Euro and the guy that makes them is Michael Nitzche. Sorry, but I cannot find a website addy for him/it.
Tom
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Smallblock sheetmetal on a BigBlock is what it is.
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Oh man, the pic on their facebook site of the speedo face is gorgeous. Any way to replace the face on my Griso's speedo with that one?
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Just order one from a Euro dealer, the whole dash. It does look better!!
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I'm wondering, if the California 1400 turns out to be a sales success, would Moto Guzzi be inclined to bring the Bellagio to the US? It would be an easy follow-up, until more new models are ready.
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I'm wondering, if the California 1400 turns out to be a sales success, would Moto Guzzi be inclined to bring the Bellagio to the US? It would be an easy follow-up, until more new models are ready.
As far as I know the Bellagio is no longer in production simplification of production and all that, the cali 1400 is simply a variation of the current 4 valve motor, the Bellagio supposedly was used to soak up some left over parts.
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Beautiful job. Personally I would lose the number 1, but that's being picky.
http://racingcafe.blogspot.it/2013/07/moto-guzzi-bellagio-936-cr-by-italo.html (http://racingcafe.blogspot.it/2013/07/moto-guzzi-bellagio-936-cr-by-italo.html)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-twqANH2ut-8/Ue-0ORptbXI/AAAAAAAAvpA/UW50ZtphQnY/s1600/Moto+Guzzi+Bellagio+936+CR+09.jpg)
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Lots of people would get all hot and bothered if something like this was offered by the factory.
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Man.
Always thought the Bellagio would be great in the US. This would be outstanding.
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Lots of people would get all hot and bothered if something like this was offered by the factory.
Yea, but I still wonder what "lots" really adds up to? What I am about to say is pure guess work, my numbers may be way out of whack.
Say there are 5000 guys in North America who would pee their birches over this thing. Of those 5000, only 2000 may have the resources to buy one new. Of the 2000, maybe 500 might actually pull the trigger. And I'm really not so sure 500 would pop. I have talked with a well respected Guzzi dealer here in IL, who has told me that before each new model gets here, he gets many, many folks telling him that they are going to buy it, ex Norge, Stelvio, v7 Classic, yet when the bikes hit the floor, most find a reason not to buy. And I get that, that is the nature of sales, but I wonder if Guzzi where to bring over a Cafe Belligo, would it really sell to many more than the true, and few hardcore enthusiast? I hope so, and I hope they do!
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Chad, FWIW people made the same arguments against the success of the V7 line.
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Yea, but I still wonder what "lots" really adds up to? What I am about to say is pure guess work, my numbers may be way out of whack.
Say there are 5000 guys in North America who would pee their birches over this thing. Of those 5000, only 2000 may have the resources to buy one new. Of the 2000, maybe 500 might actually pull the trigger. And I'm really not so sure 500 would pop. I have talked with a well respected Guzzi dealer here in IL, who has told me that before each new model gets here, he gets many, many folks telling him that they are going to buy it, ex Norge, Stelvio, v7 Classic, yet when the bikes hit the floor, most find a reason not to buy. And I get that, that is the nature of sales, but I wonder if Guzzi where to bring over a Cafe Belligo, would it really sell to many more than the true, and few hardcore enthusiast? I hope so, and I hope they do!
Having spent lots of time in sales, I will concur, "that is the nature of sales". If you can make a few sales out of every 100 contacts, then you are doing well.
I've said it before, but a few hundred units for Guzzi is a successful year for any given model, considering worldwide production is a four digit deal.
Chad, FWIW people made the same arguments against the success of the V7 line.
Yes, and the V7 line has become Guzzi's best seller.
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Honestly a 940cc "Big Block" V7-esque roadster might be just the ticket to get me to add a big block back to the garage even before a Cali 1400.
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I thought the new dual colored v7s would be big sellers in the line, but in appears to me that the Stone and the Racer are the ones jumping off the sales floor?
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I thought the new dual colored v7s would be big sellers in the line, but in appears to me that the Stone and the Racer are the ones jumping off the sales floor?
Sorta like the red V7C last year, there probably aren't many of the two-tone bikes out there. Personally, I think the two-tone tanks don't look quite right.
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Well the Racer and Stone were available before the Special.
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That's all true. My local dealer has had two, and yellow/black, and a white/red for a couple months now, unless they recently sold.
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With the classic S3 and LMI paint schemes that would look good on the V7C tank, I have no idea why they chose the horizontal break that cuts across the tank's creases like it does.
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Slightly retro bikes , they seem to appeal to a younger generation of riders , not sure that a more expensive hot rod will appeal to that same demographic
when a modern 600 will probably outperform it . Just a thought .
Dusty
The V7 line has been drawing riders from both ends of the age spectrum. I see lots of 50+ riders on the V7s. I also see a few college kids on them, and I got lots of interest from teens and 20-somethings when I had a V7C last summer.
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Even the displacement sounds cool ....... I ride a 936 .................. ;-T
Beautiful bike!
I have always been pleased with the performance of the 2v 1151 engine that powers my 1200 Sport. I think (can only think since we don't have this engine here) that the short stroke version would be a really unusual ride. The 1151 revs up without a complaint ...... would have to believe the short stroke version would be really willing to rev.
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If I was Guzzi marketing, I'd call it a "950 LeMans"
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Man, I'm so tired of arguing with the naysayers...
"The V7 isn't going to sell, it doesn't have enough power"
"The Cali 1400 is too big and can't handle"
::)
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Lets all completely ignore that the engine is out of production and not common with any other models shall we?
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Lets all completely ignore that the engine is out of production and not common with any other models shall we?
True, true. Then perhaps we should be dreaming about a 936 based on a short stroke 8v engine. Or, lets just make it simple .... build this bike with an 1151cc Griso 8v engine. I could certainly live with that. That engine I know, from personal ownership, will wind up like a banshee!
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Lets all completely ignore that the engine is out of production and not common with any other models shall we?
Finally a request for something we are good at . ;D ???
Dusty
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Kev M , weren't you one of the people who said the 1400 was too heavy ? ;D I think most of us are just expressing our thoughts , pretty sure Piaggio ain't listening , besides , there are market place realities that have nothing to do with our dream list .
Dusty
I lamented the fact that it was heavier than I preferred - but I ALSO PREDICTED IT WOULD HANDLE GREAT ANYWAY.
I dunno whether or not they're listening but my Stone looks STRIKINGLY LIKE MY JACKAL DID WHEN I WAS DONE WITH IT - doesn't it?
Lets all completely ignore that the engine is out of production and not common with any other models shall we?
Pishaw - the motor was a short-stroke version of the then current production big-block. There's NO REASON they couldn't do another short-stroke version of a current production motor, say the 8V 1200 and come up with something just as (or is it more) awesome!
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Lets all completely ignore that the engine is out of production and not common with any other models shall we?
940 8V, anyone?
I say, "oh, hell yeah!"
Take a 1200 8V. Stick the Bellagio's short stroke crank inside, and "hold on Hanna!"
:bike
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Pishaw - the motor was a short-stroke version of the then current production big-block. There's NO REASON they couldn't do another short-stroke version of a current production motor, say the 8V 1200 and come up with something just as (or is it more) awesome!
Yep. In simple terms, an 850 crank with 1200 top end makes a 940 Bellagio. (The 850 used an 1100 top end).
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I like it !
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=02CCPEEklf0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=c4-feed-u&v=jxBKsHvO0LU
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??? Sadly, a 1200 8V engined V7 style bike seems to be beyond Moto Guzzis' capabilities. Lots of people want such a machine, so why don't they build one? It's a mystery!
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Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.
The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.
Pete
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Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.
The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.
Pete
Perhaps or perhaps not.
But the retro/classic market remains the lion's share in the US and there's not doubt that their sales here have benefitted significantly from it this past year or so. I would think that, if easy enough to do, they could continue to garner favorable press and increased sales in THAT segment. It doesn't mean they have to ignore the other segments.
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But the retro/classic market remains the lion's share in the US and there's not doubt that their sales here have benefitted significantly from it this past year or so. I would think that, if easy enough to do, they could continue to garner favorable press and increased sales in THAT segment. It doesn't mean they have to ignore the other segments.
I'd go into what I think they should do, but then it's lunch time and I don't really care enough to type that much.
In short, they need to do what's been working, and pay attention to what's been working. For them that's the throwback V7 bikes, which (although not my cup of tea) are cute, tickle peoples way back when bones, and seem to be selling. Plus I feel they have the loud and power and more sport market covered with the Cali and Griso.
Also, any press is good press. I've been seeing all kinds of Guzzi's in Bike Exif lately and although I'm sure they aren't what some of more senior members would approve of, they get the brand out there to some who may or may not have seen it before and get the attention going.
But it's just something fun to talk about, don't have money for a new bike and not sure if I'd get a new Guzzi anyway.
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It's not about replicating, it's about executing something desirable.
Technology wise, there isn't much difference between the Breva 750, Nevada 750 and the V7 stone.
Most wouldn't be caught dead on two of those.
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Technology wise, there isn't much difference between the Breva 750, Nevada 750 and the V7 stone.
Most wouldn't be caught dead on two of those.
This is the same thing I was thinking. If the retro styling ques weren't selling they would still be making 750 Brevas.
On the other hand the V7 line up competes directly with Sportsters and Bonnevilles. I'd love to see a retro looking 8V, but I can't think of anything current to compare it against. Maybe the retro style Ducati's or CB1100's. I still think they could take the Bellagio and dress it like the current V7's and have something.
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It's not about replicating, it's about executing something desirable.
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If done as nicely as Guzzi has executed many of their newer bikes, I'd trade the 8vSE for a big block Guzzi 'standard.' I'd love to own a Guzzi that came from the factory with a retro look, (not necessarily "guzzi" retro look ie, not a T3), good seat to peg distance, good saddle, suspension designed for today's crappy roads, and reasonable reach to the handlebars. My 1200 Sport with mods meets some of that definition. So does the Griso, just not as many for me.
Resurrect the Tonti frame, (many on this forum say it is a good as it gets .... I don't know that personally.) Mount an alternator on the front of the crank (ala Bellagio). Scale up a V7 Special 10%. I'm ready to spend some $$.
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Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.
The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.
Pete
really, 110HP will tie a tonti frame in knots...
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Yup, especially if the head isn't braced significantly. The clutch will shrivel up and die in short order and I have severe doubts as to the ability of the bevelbox and gearbox to remain reliable, especially the bevelbox
Pete
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I think I may have been taken too literally. I meant if a "tonti type" frame would be more suitable for a retro style bike, then have at it. If not, and the Griso frame could be used as the basis for a retro, then use a Griso frame, powertrain, and CARC final drive. The Griso frame would most likely present some difficulties for a retro style tank, what with the tube frame. Obviously, if Guzzi could engineer the new 1400 Cali, they are more than capable of designing a big block retro, which, IMHO, would probably sell in greater numbers than the Cali 1400 ( purely a guess on my part.) BTW - does anyone know the world wide sales figures for the 1400 (both models)?
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It's not about replicating, it's about executing something desirable.
Technology wise, there isn't much difference between the Breva 750, Nevada 750 and the V7 stone.
Most wouldn't be caught dead on two of those.
:+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1
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I know I'd sure like to see one!
:bike
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That would make for an interesting engine. What're you guys thinking, slightly higher redline and maybe 85-90hp at the crankshaft?
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Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.
The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.
Pete
I just merged this into a previous topic that has some great pix of bikes with V7 bodywork on the Bellagio chassis.
Guzzi should sell what people are buying. Putting retro bodywork on a Bellagio chassis would be a grand-slam homerun for Mandello.
Especially if it was an 8v.
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That would make for an interesting engine. What're you guys thinking, slightly higher redline and maybe 85-90hp at the crankshaft?
Try finding a test ride of a Buell XB9 and you will understand! (984cc destroked Sportster mill).
Fun factor would be huge, no matter the power or the redline, but yes, higher redline and more power than a Bellagio, and clothed in retro V7C bodywork.
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Try finding a test ride of a Buell XB9 and you will understand! (984cc destroked Sportster mill).
Fun factor would be huge, no matter the power or the redline, but yes, higher redline and more power than a Bellagio, and clothed in retro V7C bodywork.
Add that to the list of my regrets that I didn't buy - that said, they were FAR from popular...
Buell Production Numbers:
http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-Articles/Production-Numbers
7484 XB9R 2002-07
4332 XB9S 2003-04
1513 XB9SL 2003-04
EDIT - missed one
9632 XB9SX 2005-10
So that's a total of 22,961 short-stroke bikes - way more than I would have guessed.
Actually, ok, nevermind, those wouldn't be bad numbers for a Guzzi...
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One day in Joplin, I rode four Buells.
The XB9 City Cross was my favorite, by far!
:bike
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Too much Horsepower for the frame notoriety has never been bad for a brand.
& old school working-man hot rod has never been bad for the brand.
Can you think of any historical precedent?
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Really. What ARE they waiting for?
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1779041_10152324072543593_8887052_n.jpg)
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Really. What ARE they waiting for?
It made sense to wait until after the introduction of the California 1400. They didn't want to steal any of the new Cali's thunder, but it has now been at least a year since the Cali 1400 was released. Now is the time for the V9 or V12.
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Bump.
Piaggio is showing the MGX21 concept. I'd rather see V7 bodywork on the Bellagio...
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You can always roll yer own. It's what Wayne from Bisbane has done.
Pete
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Dunno about you guys, but I love the new V7 Racer, but have the opinion that bigger is better.
Love this. http://racingcafe.blogspot.sg/2013/07/moto-guzzi-bellagio-936-cr-by-italo.html
936 Bellagio based Cafe Racer. Love the single sided swingarm. Love the idea of more grunt than a V7. Love the idea of a 1400 california cafe racer.
What do you say guys, let's petition Guzzi to put the 936 CR or a 1400 CR into production. I promise I'll buy one! would you?
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That's pretty bad ass! :thumb:
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I like it, thanks for sharing!
One problem tho ,I think it would be to hard on my wallet!! :grin:
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Why not? But as a Big Block production model, I can't see it getting off the ground.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/1400%20motor_zpskrabbtys.jpg)
:rolleyes:
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Why not? But as a Big Block production model, I can't see it getting off the ground.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/1400%20motor_zpskrabbtys.jpg)
:rolleyes:
:thumb: :laugh: :drool:
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Don't like it as a cafe. Looks empty with the single-sided swingarm. Cafe's should be older scooter designs that look more symmetrical and have double suspension. I'm not a modern bike turned cafe kind though.
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Screech!
(http://www.griso.org/deadhorse.gif)
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:cheesy:
There are 2 Jackals in Singapore. I've got the best looking one.
(https://i.ibb.co/ynLdzpy/082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ynLdzpy)
There are 2 Bellagios in singapore. I bought one on monday.
It's a f######g hoot to ride. Revs like wow! I love it!
Looks a bit cruiser, but it's nothing of the sort. More like a sports bike. Handles, corners, brakes, everything beautifully.
I have to admit, it's a bit weird looking,...... the rear end and seat looked a bit "What where they thinking?" to me when I first s
(https://i.ibb.co/JRfjsbL/20150815-163908.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JRfjsbL)
aw photos of one, but in the flesh it looks cool. A bit Centauro, it really grows on you..........
anyways,.... It's not going to look like this for very long. I'm shopping around for a V7 racer tank and seat, but may settle for an alloy tank and original seat. (or the corbin seat,........ I got both when I bought it.)
Here's one someone did in Australia with a V7 tank and Bellagio seat. Looks kinda good, though the tank cutouts for the V7 seat don't work in this case. That's why I'm thinking alloy Le Mans tank.
(I'd ditch the rear fender, slim it down and tidy it up though.)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/bellagio%20CR%20sport%202_zpsiw4idvu7.jpg) (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/Calijackalbob/media/bellagio%20CR%20sport%202_zpsiw4idvu7.jpg.html)
Anyway. This is the plan for my Bellagio,...... ish...... simple modifications, just a new tank, seat, (maybe, maybe not) clip ons and Viola!
Comments? How does it look with the original Bellagio seat?
(https://i.ibb.co/yqmDdTR/Bellagio-Caffe-936-CR-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yqmDdTR)
P.S.
I feel so sorry for you guys in America Not getting the Bellagio. I'm sure it would have sold by the shipload. The Guzzi Marketing Dept must have their heads up their arses. What? they don't want to sell too many bikes?
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My 940 Bellagio Cafe Racer Evolution project. A work in in progress.
(https://i.ibb.co/L6jhnHL/P1020153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L6jhnHL)
Tank, hugger and front fender currently getting painted/Hydrochromed while I recover from foot surgery. Wait til you see the next updates.
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Based on Guzzi's current direction, looks like we might have to find a way to get some 'grey-market' Bellagios into the USA if we want a platform for a 936cc café bike.
C Jackel Bob ..... like what you're building!
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My 940 Bellagio Cafe Racer Evolution project. A work in in progress.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/P1020153_zps3elkps5m.jpg)
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79875.0 (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79875.0)
Tank, hugger and front fender currently getting painted/Hydrochromed while I recover from foot surgery. Wait til you see the next updates.
Nice :thumb:
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One day in Joplin, I rode four Buells.
The XB9 City Cross was my favorite, by far!
:bike
making me want one Rocker..
https://rmn.craigslist.org/mcy/5374383077.html
if it had a hard bag option I'd go get it..
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making me want one Rocker..
https://rmn.craigslist.org/mcy/5374383077.html
if it had a hard bag option I'd go get it..
That 984cc Buell/Sportster mill is pretty kick ass.
Did H+B ever make racks for the Buel XBs ?
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(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/20150815_163908_zpsfkgu70k7.jpg) (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/Calijackalbob/media/20150815_163908_zpsfkgu70k7.jpg.html)
Looks a bit cruiser, but it's nothing of the sort. More like a sports bike. Handles, corners, brakes, everything beautifully.
Meh -- I don't like the cruiser looks, kind of reminds me of the Nevada, or worse, a Ducati Indiana.
I'm sure it rides nice though, I loved my Breva 1100.
As for the Bellagio seat with the V7 tank? Just say no. It doesn't look right at all.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/Bellagio%20936%20CR%2002_zps1thy44cv.jpg) (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/Calijackalbob/media/Bellagio%20936%20CR%2002_zps1thy44cv.jpg.html)
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^ should be your benchmark! :thumb:
That is a fine looking motorbike.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/P1020153_zps3elkps5m.jpg)
Looking good! Can't wait for more updates!
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In case you haven't seen this:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79875.msg1256731#msg1256731
here's some recent pics of my Bellagio "Evoluzione"
(https://i.ibb.co/FsL22sv/a1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FsL22sv)
(https://i.ibb.co/KLXQBwm/a7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KLXQBwm)
:grin:
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:thumb:
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What does it take, Moto Guzzi??!! It's already designed for you. Do individuals have to keep building their own before you get the idea? Enough with the cruisers ....... you've got enough variations of the 1400 to satisfy any and all tastes for a MG feet-forward bike.
Just do this one. Resurrect the 936 short stroke 2v and go for it. Or, if so inclined, bolt an alternator on the front of an 8v and drop it in this bike. Though I think the 936 might be the more interesting of the two.
And yes ... #940 is one good-looking machine!
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In case you haven't seen this:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79875.msg1256731#msg1256731
here's some recent pics of my Bellagio "Evoluzione"
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/a7_zpsnbhnqy07.jpg)
:grin:
It looks your bike could benefit using a longer shock. If you use one from the norge or griso it will lift the back, and make it quicker steering.
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Looks great! :thumb:
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It looks your bike could benefit using a longer shock. If you use one from the norge or griso it will lift the back, and make it quicker steering.
The Bellagio with clip ons (as high as they can be, just about the same height as the top triple clamp) handles quick enough for me. I can't find any fault in the handling department. Brakes are excellent, steering, direct and positive, tyre grip, up to the job. suspension, best I've had after 100 other bikes, but it took some fiddling to get it right, with its adjustable front and rear shocks.
I love it.
(https://i.ibb.co/qJhYRfj/IMG-20180501-WA0012.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qJhYRfj)
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What does it take, Moto Guzzi??!! It's already designed for you. Do individuals have to keep building their own before you get the idea? Enough with the cruisers ....... you've got enough variations of the 1400 to satisfy any and all tastes for a MG feet-forward bike.
Just do this one. Resurrect the 936 short stroke 2v and go for it. Or, if so inclined, bolt an alternator on the front of an 8v and drop it in this bike. Though I think the 936 might be the more interesting of the two.
And yes ... #940 is one good-looking machine!
Bob, the 2V big block is dead. It can't come back. If the 1200-8V can't be made to meet E4 there is no way on god's earth that the 2V could! Let it go! It's not going to happen.
Pete
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Could the 4 valve heads be modified to fit the Bellagio?
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No.
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Murray, despite the outward similarity in appearance between the pushrod motor and the Hi-Cam they are in fact completely different engines with little or any parts communality and a series of different approaches to overall design.
You could no more put the Hi-Cam heads on a pushrod big block than you could put a big block six speed gearbox on your Breva. It's two entirely different design streams connected by a wish to maintain an *Appearance*.
Pete