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Title: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 01, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
I am relatively new to the forum. I have found it to be a great resource and my hats off to all the enthusiastic owners that post and keep it relevant.
I am a new Guzzi owner.  I purchased a '96 Sport 1100 a few months back.  The last of the carb Sports.  I purchased it with the intention of creating a cafe racer from it. 
When it was delivered I immediately fell in love with the bike.  I was finally able to experience what I had been reading about for so long. What makes Guzzi owners so loyal.  The quirks we come to embrace and character and soul.
In the short time that I have owned the bike I was brainstorming ideas for what I might do to it. I knew I wanted to put her on a diet.  I wanted to create a bike that struck a good balance between the past, present and future. I wanted it to be consistent with the cafe racer mentality that "if it doesn't make it go faster it shouldn't be on it" yet still maintain safety, practicality and aesthetics.
I will use this thread to document the build.  Hopefully it will help, inspire and/or inform those that may have an interest in doing something similar.
I will not be doing the build myself, I have hired a seasoned veteran. We have spent hours discussing the blueprint for our vision.
The process has begun.  I will post pictures as the build progresses and provide updates on the challenges and progress as they become relevant.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: hiro on July 01, 2012, 12:51:56 PM
I'm looking forward to following your progress, there have been some great threads on here with many ingenious ideas and ways round things.  Just got a V7 Racer and love it, though I've removed the no.7 seat cowling and am going to replace the flyscreen with a Le Mans 1 bikini fairing.  At some point I also intend to mould a new seat cowl, without the number roundels, out of fibre glass and colour code it.

Andy
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 01, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Before image:
(http://s16.postimage.org/4pnqha2s1/Guzzi_Sport1100.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4pnqha2s1/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 01, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
One of the first setbacks we had was around the wheels.  I really wanted to do a modern spoke wheel on this build (see Alpina Pro Carbon Matrix as an example), but came to the realization it was not going to be possible without big dollars and fabrication. Will probably wind up painting the existing wheels to fit the build.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 01, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
Here's the direction we are going with the body work and rear end:

(http://s17.postimage.org/9vp8hatij/Update1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9vp8hatij/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/xnyjstvjf/update_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xnyjstvjf/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Pancake on July 01, 2012, 05:04:17 PM
Looking good already
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: fotoguzzi on July 01, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
personally, what ever you do could not improve on the look in stock form.. the factory got it right that time. Tail included.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG_0672.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: rbm on July 01, 2012, 05:30:33 PM
^^^  :+1
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Guzzistaracing on July 01, 2012, 05:50:58 PM
 :+1

that is true.  ;-T  ;-T

and it is not just about form, but about function too, if the "new bike" does not perform as good as the stock bike,
it is less and not more.  With a package like the 1100 sport, it is hard to come up with something genuine and good,
as they have done a good job on it already.
I did something similar to a SS900 once, with regrets now, as it is a quite similar sophisticated package as the
1100 Sport is.  It is easy to lose a lot but hard to gain something better looks and function wise IMO.

never the less, go on now that you are at it.   ;-T  :BEER:
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: moto510 on July 01, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
I still havent finished mine yet but here's a pic of one of the mock ups.
The front end is off of a 07 GSXR 1000 and it really improved the handling and braking. Much lighter than the stock setup.
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae185/ddf510/55094537.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 01, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
IMO the Sport 1100 represents a timeless design and one of the best values for a used motorcycle bar none.  I paid $4k for mine with 17k miles on it.  That is more soul/$ than anything on the planet.  The desire to a build a cafe racer out of the bike had less to do with improving the looks and more to promote an exercise in imagination.  I think Guzzi represents a premier standard and all who may tinker with a stock bike pay the brand a sincere form of flattery.  I will post some  pictures of some of the bikes that have inspired me to try this build out in a future post.

There is no telling what the build will end up like.  I'm sure some will love, some will hate and some will be indifferent.  Regardless, We will push boundaries and see what happens.

Right now I have ordered a new Hagon mono-shock (existing rear suspension needed replacement) and Keihin FCR41 Carb kit. I would love to do a new front end, but am concerned with the cost/benefit right now.  This is something that may be done post-project depending on overall performance and handling.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: hiro on July 02, 2012, 01:24:47 PM
Some great knowledge and tips coming out here.  I'm not so keen on the more upward pointed Honda tail and would prefer something more rounded, though the V7 seat and cowl might look quite good.  Each to their own.

welcome to the board simaster.  ;-T

Andy, make sure that you mount the Le Mans I fairing in the correct position, as in deep enough,
in a way the lower fork tripple is covered in full, relocate the headlight if necessary.

 ;-T  :BEER:

Thanks for the tip.  I hope I can get away without relocating the headlamp, it should arrive Wed so I'll measure up then.  As well as coming up with a new seat cowl, I want to tidy up the rear end as the large mudguard is a bit too retro and would certainly have been changed in cafe racers of the period imitated
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 03, 2012, 11:30:40 AM
Looks like we will go with this tail.  Made some mods to the exhaust.  Will be breaking down the bike soon for paint.
The engine will be soda blasted and painted.  Working on paint schemes now.  Probably looking at a completion time in late August.

(http://s16.postimage.org/789c6qewh/guzzi_update_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/789c6qewh/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Drifter on July 03, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
I love a bike that looks like a big motor with wheels! Nice work!!

 ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: skippy on July 03, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Keep up the work. from what I have seen, this build will push the boundaries of Guzzidom a little bit further. you are working with some of the holiest of holy pieces of Moto Guzzi artifacts and I am sure you do not need to be reminded of the sacredness of the material in which you possess. I am watching the build with barely a breath pass my lips.   
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 05, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Here are some Guzzi cafe racer inspirations for the build:
(http://s14.postimage.org/tec85ttcd/Mot_Guzzi_Mandello_Raw_Power_by_Custom_Sickles_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tec85ttcd/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/mqk7wyz7x/Mot_Guzzi_Mandello_Raw_Power_by_Custom_Sickles_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mqk7wyz7x/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 05, 2012, 10:29:31 AM
More inspiration:

(http://s11.postimage.org/40hj44dzz/maschine3_1xl.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/40hj44dzz/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/i877srqov/IMG_0035.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i877srqov/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/4sk73bi73/cafe_dash.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4sk73bi73/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/tzv33klb3/moto_guzzi_california_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tzv33klb3/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 05, 2012, 10:30:55 AM
Even More inspiration:

(http://s7.postimage.org/j91mgd29z/guzzi_black.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/j91mgd29z/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 05, 2012, 10:31:32 AM

(http://s8.postimage.org/46980rrf5/IMG_0031.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/46980rrf5/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 05, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
I loved the simplicity of this engine work.  Zen.

(http://s17.postimage.org/46i3dcne3/IMG_0033.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/46i3dcne3/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on July 05, 2012, 11:39:50 AM
My work:

(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j360/wrbix/b48f4110.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: grassynoel on July 05, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
Let me know if you end up selling the stock bodywork
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 05, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
Like your exhaust system.  ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: hiro on July 05, 2012, 03:06:19 PM
Some nice ones there, like the black and the chrome ones very much.  The one with the quilted seat... not so much, doesn't do a Guzzi justice.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: rbm on July 05, 2012, 06:28:47 PM
I loved the simplicity of this engine work.  Zen.

(http://s17.postimage.org/46i3dcne3/IMG_0033.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/46i3dcne3/)

I've always wondered as to the difficulty / simplicity of converting a dual shock setup to monoshock, like this.  Is it straight forward?  Or is it fraught with issues?  I just see more and more of the old chassis being converted in this manner.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Orange Guzzi on July 05, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Mine may not be a cafe, but it is more user friendly for a guy with  fused vertibrae's in the neck.  Installed easton handlebars, givi windscreen and remounted the gages.
(http://s8.postimage.org/lzwtlq8pt/IMG_1041.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lzwtlq8pt/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Pancake on July 06, 2012, 05:28:51 PM
Hi WRBIX

That is the best looking old small block I've seen. The tank is exactly right and the seat is a work of art.

Dominic
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: charlie b on July 06, 2012, 06:51:20 PM
Sorry, but, I like it too.  Better than your Duc.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: dxhall on July 06, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
Neat project -- keep up the photos.  If you decide to go with spoked wheels, I'd buy the stock ones from you.    DH
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 06, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
I'd say no, the Guzzi stripe does not match the knee cut out at all, the seat looks clumsy IMO,
tail looks all terrible, headlight brackets are mounted in the wrong way.

what is that atop the upper tripple ?, that looks clumsy too.

I like the pipes.  ;-T  ;-T

 :+1   

But do have to say there is nothing attractive about your Ducati cafe





























































Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: gentlemanjim on July 07, 2012, 06:51:35 AM
Here's some inspiration:



(http://s14.postimage.org/gckkg5b1p/MG_V50_Cafe.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 07, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
I know you 'mericans can't deal with it, because it is lacking pearl colors and chrome.

 ;D

if you can't see anything attractive in this outstanding and great full custom motorcycle,
that inspired many a people around the world, it is maybe because you just don't want to.


I think your craftsmanship is quite good. But in the looks department it is lacking. I always thought a machine engineered and built with German expertise but styled with Italian flair would be outstanding. By the way Stereotyping " "mericans" is no more appreciated than doing the same to Germans.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on July 07, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
I thought this one was worth checking out:
http://www.bikeexif.com/moto-guzzi-le-mans-custom
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: skippy on July 07, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
I thought this one was worth checking out:
http://www.bikeexif.com/moto-guzzi-le-mans-custom

I am reminded of the time I spent working in a Guzzi shop, years ago before my career as a millwright. I was doing a tuneup and jet change on a V11 Daytona with a Dyno run. I was astride the bike on the Dyno and the guys in the shop were giving me grief because she only pulled about 90 HP. (The shop was a Suzuki/Yamaha Dealership with a few Guzzis, I was the only "Guzzi" Tech), anyway, feeling a little bit disheveled I proceeded to explain to the other shop guys that I didn't give a flying f@#$ about the power of their bikes, 'this is a sex machine', I said. 'Just look at it'. Well the owners wife just happened to be strolling through the shop at that moment and I felt bad for using such crass language in front of a lady and all. But the point is, some bikes 'got it' and some bikes don't. I can't wait to see what comes out of this because the inspiration and canvas are great.
Skippy    
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: gentlemanjim on July 07, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
No matter how you cut the deck Guzzi's are way cool and they make the very sweetest sexiest Cafe's.  Kind like a muscle car with the big V twin hanging out there for the world to see.  Just blip the throttle and feel the torque, no other V or verical twin or multi can match that.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: charlie b on July 07, 2012, 10:43:47 PM
I know you 'mericans can't deal with it, because it is lacking pearl colors and chrome.

 ;D

if you can't see anything attractive in this outstanding and great full custom motorcycle,
that inspired many a people around the world, it is maybe because you just don't want to.

but that is your problem then, not mine.

 ;-T

take a look at this Drudi designed NCR bike in example, they came up with that after seeing mine.

http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/16.02.shtml

 :)


I got two more pics from my bike, with the detailed criticism  ;D from you and Charlie, I wonder
what kind of creative bike work you both have done so far ?

 :)


(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3905/stuhlvonobenzh8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/stuhlvonobenzh8.jpg/)


(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8551/stuhlseite.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/stuhlseite.jpg/)










I think the one on the left looks good.  The one on the right not.

Everybody has an opinion.  ;)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on July 08, 2012, 07:39:08 AM
Ah Hah!
I've figured it out: Muschi is really Glynn Kerr- likes nothing unless it's his own design, or a perceived derivation of his own design. :bow

'splains everything!

 ;D

Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 08, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
I think the one on the left looks good.  The one on the right not.

Everybody has an opinion.  ;)

 :+1
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 08, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
an opinion that is based on nothing but ignorance does not matter,
you three have not the slightest idea what a custom bike is about.

the bike in question is a true no nonsense form follows function masterpiece,
you three have just to proove that you can come up with anything just half as nice.

got that ?  buying Hondas and raping smallblocks does not qualify for
a serious discussion about custom bikes.

 :pop





A masterpiece is complete piece. Unfortunately that bike is not complete and is plain ugly. Perching a gas tank on top of frame rails at an awkward angle is a engineering compromise.

 :pop
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on July 08, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
an opinion that is based on nothing but ignorance does not matter,
you three have not the slightest idea what a custom bike is about.

the bike in question is a true no nonsense form follows function masterpiece,
you three have just to proove that you can come up with anything just half as nice.

got that ?  buying Hondas and raping smallblocks does not qualify for
a serious discussion about custom bikes.

 :pop

Form should, indeed, follow function...........

Thus your criticisms are poorly placed..
The Guzzi tank stripes do not, indeed, flow with the tank indents perfectly - what, pray tell, has that to do with function?
The tail treatment IS functional to support minimalization of lights/seat/number plate.
Headlight mounts were placed all four ways and work/look best this way.
That "thing" on top of the triple clamp is a speedo/tach - propose to run without them?

All alterations have gotten this "raped" V50III down to 325 pounds - that is a step toward function, no?
And if you would like, I can supply pics of the way this poor "raped" smallblock looked prior to my ministrations.

Definition of "custom" revolves around made to order, thus subjective.....did not make it to anyone else's (especially yours) order.

I've not criticized your "custom" treatment. Why impose your supposedly superior judgement/taste to mine/ours?  Borders on Fascism, IMHO.

You may fire when you are ready, Gridley.

 :pop indeed



Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on July 08, 2012, 02:14:20 PM


I am not retarded .......and out of this discussion for good.


Ummmm......if you say so, you're the expert.......and, good riddance, IMHO.

Interesting debating technique, eh?
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on July 08, 2012, 02:19:09 PM

you both make an impression as if you would compete in the paraolympics.



Any spinal cord injured members care to weigh in?
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on July 08, 2012, 02:37:28 PM
listen up you keyboard heros, until you come up with respectable bike work by yourselfes,
you both make an impression as if you would compete in the paraolympics.

I am not retarded and out of this discussion for good.

 :bike

Baby want a sucker for your tantrum?  :winer
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: flip on July 08, 2012, 02:57:21 PM
I'm sure that custom Ducati has a great personality.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Oca on July 08, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
 
listen up you keyboard heros, until you come up with respectable bike work by yourselfes,
you both make an impression as if you would compete in the paraolympics.

I am not retarded and out of this discussion for good.

 

 :winer

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: gentlemanjim on July 09, 2012, 12:20:11 AM
How rude - the thread is about a Guzzi cafe project and it seems a lot of chatter about a Duc
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: SteveAZ on July 09, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Well that was an interesting little keyboard skirmish....hope no one broke a nail. I'll never understand how some of you guys get so pissed off on the internet?  :D

Anyway, back on topic, when I first saw this thread I almost started crying because a mostly stock black carb sport is my dream bike but availability and money seem to be 180 degrees opposed for me. When these things come up, I never have any fun money..... I do think you are on to something though. I have always seen the tank and fairing design on the 1100 sport as one of Guzzi's best worked out concepts, but with the shorter, round tail the height and roundness of the tank comes out.

The sport really has a good "engine with wheels" look when it's naked. I don't really think of a cafe bike though, more of a stripped 80's superbike if that makes any sense. Probably doesn’t but whatever.

It's looking good! 
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 07, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
It's been a while since I last posted.  Had some good news this week.  We have the paint work (almost) complete; the new rear shock installed; the FCR Carbs installed; a lot of polishing to specific bike parts. 
The frame, engine, tank, wheels, rotors, etc.  were all painted.  If it wasn't painted, it was probably polished.
We are waiting on a few things.  One part that proved to be a pain getting is a new steering damper.  The forks will have boots.  There will be anodized bolts in specific locations to add a hint of color.  The color palate is black and silver with red accents.  I have some pics to share and will post more as they come in.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 07, 2012, 08:42:34 PM

(http://s8.postimage.org/8znvky2ip/DISC.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8znvky2ip/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/gtoh6cabl/REAR_FRAME.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gtoh6cabl/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/jca670w1t/FRAME.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jca670w1t/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/tav4ti5hd/WHEELS.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tav4ti5hd/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: pauljenkins on August 07, 2012, 10:51:45 PM
Wow.
Now this I like
 ;-T
(http://www.freepicturehosting.org/images/687IMG_1041.jpg) (http://www.freepicturehosting.org/view.php?filename=687IMG_1041.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kentktk on August 08, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
Looks like a Suzuki Bandit ::(
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: gentlemanjim on August 08, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
Guzzi's make the best cafe styled bikes followed by BMW R Series in my opinion!  Looking forward to the finished piece.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Erwin8r on August 13, 2012, 12:42:55 AM
listen up you keyboard heros, until you come up with respectable bike work by yourselfes,
you both make an impression as if you would compete in the paraolympics.

I am not retarded and out of this discussion for good.

 :bike

Guess you kept your promise. Thanks!  That was one ugly Duc... ;-T

Anyway, back to cafe guzzi's--can't wait to see the end result!  :bike
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 13, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
We are into the home stretch of the build.  I would estimate 2 more weeks until it is complete.
The engine soda blast and paint turned out great.  There is a ton of hand polished parts on the bike.  A lot of man hours are being invested in the final product.  Here are some pics from this weekend:

(http://s12.postimage.org/4ruz5647d/GUZUPD1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4ruz5647d/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 13, 2012, 10:09:50 AM

(http://s10.postimage.org/im84wnw39/GUZUPD2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/im84wnw39/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: ridingron on August 13, 2012, 10:47:36 AM
I followed this for a while. Glad everyone survived the spitin' and spatin'. Well almost everyone.

I am still trying to figure out why a class bike was basically dismantled and totally changed. Why didn't you buy a wreck or any other model? When you take their clothes off they all look pretty much the same. No? It's your girl, dress her up how ever you want to create the new look. It appears to me a lot of time, money, and effort were spent to make a silk purse from a silk purse.

A Cafe is not really my cup of tea, however I can admire the enginneering and creativity.

As for the ugly Duc, I wonder if it ever got finished.  ;D 
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Dean Rose on August 13, 2012, 10:50:56 AM

As for the ugly Duc, I wonder if it ever got finished.  ;D 



It will never turn into a Goose.  ;D


Dean
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on August 13, 2012, 01:43:01 PM


I am still trying to figure out why a class bike was basically dismantled and totally changed.
:+1
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 22, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
Good news: we're almost done.
(http://s7.postimage.org/ro72qpbtz/AF1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ro72qpbtz/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 22, 2012, 12:25:15 PM

(http://s9.postimage.org/lj5d25o2z/AF2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lj5d25o2z/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 22, 2012, 12:43:18 PM
Regarding silk purse to silk purse - probably.  I guess the purses look a little different though.

Why do it?  Not even sure where to start with that question.  Some of my favorite guzzi's (inspirations listed previously) were customs.  When you think about it, the main changes associated with this build vs. stock is the elimination of weight and body work.

Everything is stock except: exhaust, rear shock, carbs and levers...
Obviously we repainted, etc.
Overall we put the Sport on Weight Watchers and shed 35 pounds while simultaneously enhancing perofrmance and handling (suspension).

Will you like this bike better or worse than the original?  I think that answer will vary by person.  Some will love, some will hate, some will be inspired, some will be offended. Regardless of where you stand, I respect your opinion.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Like I mentioned earlier, I love and respect the Guzzi line.  I have taken it upon myself to push some boundries.  That, I know, will always be controversial.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 27, 2012, 08:44:33 AM
Almost done.  Speedo, tach and some jetting fine tunes and we should be complete. 

(http://s14.postimage.org/ur1x5c1d9/192391_411775308884998_1090173475_o.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ur1x5c1d9/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/ma2euewod/325110_411775118885017_1454464715_o.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ma2euewod/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: gentlemanjim on August 27, 2012, 09:45:11 AM
Being a Cafe bike fan you did a spectacular job.  Even though many will say your build is like skydiving "why jump out of a perfectly good airplane"

I love it is the CF a wrap material?
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: ridingron on August 27, 2012, 10:07:02 AM
Quote
A Cafe is not really my cup of tea, however I can admire the enginneering and creativity.

It appears to me a lot of time, money, and effort were spent to make a silk purse from a silk purse.

I guess my point was that mostly the body work defines the look. You stripped it to the frame and put new body work on the frame. You could have bought a less "classic" model and stripped it to the frame. Then added your stylings to make it your creation. I'll retract my above statement from before. I'll go with a different thought.

To me, it looks pretty much like another Cafe bike. Nicer finishing touches, but ... It appears to me a lot of time, money, and effort were spent to make a plain, run of the mill looking purse, from a silk purse.

Just my opinion, it is your bike.

A Centauro is as Cafe as I can go.

Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: kevdog3019 on August 27, 2012, 10:23:43 AM
I guess my point was that mostly the body work defines the look. You stripped it to the frame and put new body work on the frame. You could have bought a less "classic" model and stripped it to the frame. Then added your stylings to make it your creation. I'll retract my above statement from before. I'll go with a different thought.

To me, it looks pretty much like another Cafe bike. Nicer finishing touches, but ... It appears to me a lot of time, money, and effort were spent to make a plain, run of the mill looking purse, from a silk purse.

Just my opinion, it is your bike.

A Centauro is as Cafe as I can go.



I think his last statement tells you where he sits.  Very nice job and no cobble.  I think you did the best you could with the bike you did it from.   ;-T

-Kevin
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 27, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
gentlemanjim,
Thanks for the post. The CF wrap is a process called hydrographic printing.  It's a pretty amazing process (google it) where they place a "graphic" into a bath and submerge the part being "wrapped".  The image adheres to the part (e.g., tank).  The part is then clear coated.  Although it's not the real deal, it looks amazing (amazingly light). 
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 28, 2012, 09:19:30 AM
I think his last statement tells you where he sits.  Very nice job and no cobble.  I think you did the best you could with the bike you did it from.   ;-T

-Kevin

Kevin,
I hear ya.  Thanks for the kind words.  I'll have some more pics up soon when the job is complete.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Travman on August 28, 2012, 09:33:11 AM
I love it. It looks beautiful.  ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Guzzirider on August 28, 2012, 10:01:59 AM
Looking good- great job done!

A friend is caffing his Centauro- it has a 1288cc motor, shortened wheelbase and a Ducati Monster tail with custom subframe.

Even though I will always love Tonti cafe racers, Spineys can be a great canvas to paint on, and I always enjoy "ruining" perfectly good standard bikes!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/428775_10151354933784816_1095539973_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558483_10151354934449816_955777915_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/574600_10151354934764816_366486533_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Erwin8r on August 28, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Almost done.  Speedo, tach and some jetting fine tunes and we should be complete. 

(http://s14.postimage.org/ur1x5c1d9/192391_411775308884998_1090173475_o.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ur1x5c1d9/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/ma2euewod/325110_411775118885017_1454464715_o.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ma2euewod/)


Simply gorgeous!   :bow
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on August 28, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
Looking good- great job done!

A friend is caffing his Centauro- it has a 1288cc motor, shortened wheelbase and a Ducati Monster tail with custom subframe.

Even though I will always love Tonti cafe racers, Spineys can be a great canvas to paint on, and I always enjoy "ruining" perfectly good standard bikes!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/428775_10151354933784816_1095539973_n.jpg)

WOW!  That's pretty sweet!  Where is the tank from?

Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Guzzirider on August 29, 2012, 03:26:50 AM
It is a Daytona or 1100 Sport I think?
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on October 03, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
The bike is finally done. Here are some pics:

(http://s10.postimage.org/7s2l6hdw5/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7s2l6hdw5/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/u5ex7147p/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u5ex7147p/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/vyhtvcped/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vyhtvcped/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/s3efss68l/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3efss68l/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/enrf3bxqt/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/enrf3bxqt/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Semper-guzzi on October 03, 2012, 10:36:00 PM
Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wcguzzi on October 03, 2012, 10:52:21 PM
Ended up nice. Many different challenges and compromises in a build of this type. Of which are you most proud?
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on October 04, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
Ended up nice. Many different challenges and compromises in a build of this type. Of which are you most proud?

Thank you.  There were a lot of challenges and compromises. Most of the compromises were weighted towards what I wanted to do but could not (mostly because the ends could not justify the means). The majority of challenges related to the difficulty in adapting this particular model Guzzi to ideas/direction.  The bike resists anything other than what it was born with...
Proud: I'd say we had set out with a goal to put the bike on a weight watchers diet without losing the Guzzi good looks, character and integrity.  I think we accomplished that with a total weight loss exceeding 35lbs and (IMO) a solid tribute to Guzzi.  Additionally, the weight loss, new carbs and exhaust really changed the performance characteristics of the bike.  Those mods made game changing performance improvements.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: thomas on October 04, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
Looking very good! Well done!

My only gripe is that you (had to?) retained Guzzi's crappy accident-waiting-for-a-place-to-happen... sidestand...
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on October 04, 2012, 01:31:21 PM
I love it, I just wish I had the imagination (and cash) to do something similar with my V11 Sport
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Matteo on October 04, 2012, 04:25:29 PM
Bravo! Love it!
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: charlie b on October 04, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
Well, you surprised me.  I really didn't think it would turn out very well when you started.

Nice job and it does look good.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 04, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Well, I was squarely in the don't cut it up camp, but that's a nice piece of work you've done.  ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Guzzistajohn on October 04, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
that's cool but I'll stay where I'm @
(http://s12.postimage.org/3lqfbnmrd/DARK_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3lqfbnmrd/)
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Bella on October 04, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
Stunning job, have never seen a finer cafe project!  Would love to throw a leg over it!  Must be very scary & emotional the first time you start and ride it!!

Whose idea was the seat with the grommets?

Scott
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on October 08, 2012, 09:02:23 AM
Stunning job, have never seen a finer cafe project!  Would love to throw a leg over it!  Must be very scary & emotional the first time you start and ride it!!

Whose idea was the seat with the grommets?

Scott
Thanks Scott.
The first ride was amazing.  I'm so happy with the look and feel of the bike.  Unfortunately the pictures don't do it justice...
The seat grommets were Alan Bernard's signature touch (of Santiago Choppers and Norley Cafe Racer).  Alan drove the work on this build and he deserves all the credit.  He lived and breathed the bike and I think I was able to win him over to the Guzzi.  It was a great experience working with him.
http://www.norleycaferacer.com/
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Travman on October 09, 2012, 09:46:15 PM
Congratulations on the spread on BikeExif.

http://www.bikeexif.com/moto-guzzi-daytona-custom#more-14498
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Guzzistajohn on October 09, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
That is one BMF, Impressive photo shoot!
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Mad Mac on October 12, 2012, 07:47:08 AM
Auto Evolution has a nice write up, too.  Congratulations.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/custom-moto-guzzi-v1100-by-santiago-chopper-50458.html
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: simaster on October 15, 2012, 10:08:10 AM
Thanks for the well wishes and info. 
Not sure why this was being written up as a Daytona.  As most of you already know, this started out as a '96 1100 sport (carb).
Hopefully we will see more guzzi's written up in the future!
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: Calijackalbob on January 23, 2016, 04:28:30 AM
Before image:
(http://s16.postimage.org/4pnqha2s1/Guzzi_Sport1100.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4pnqha2s1/)

You did a nice job, but I prefer the original. Guzzi hit the nail on the head when they designed the Sport 1100/Daytona. I would never consider chopping one up unless it were a wreck to begin with. Somehow seems sacreligious.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/Calijackalbob/silversport_zpsjo7xhxzc.jpg)

.............. then again, If I were to come across a wrecked Sport 1100 / Daytona. I'd replace the damaged bits and restore it to original. Just too damn sexy the way it rolled off the production line.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: wrbix on January 23, 2016, 01:32:46 PM
Spot looks great in silver livery.
Title: Re: Guzzi Cafe Racer Project
Post by: malik on January 23, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
I also really like what you have done. It's clean, neat & tidy and improved. Bravo. By now you should have a few miles up on it, and I'd be interested to hear how it's been holding up.

Although I like the stock Sport, in your build you have solved some of the niggles I have with it -
- the round headlight is a needed solution to an inherent problem - are the headlight ears also from a Kawasaki?
- the stock rear fairing is unnecessarily flimsy, not really pretty & interferes with luggage, so my solution would be different - different folks, different strokes.
- having had some experience with the wiring - re-wiring the beast sounds a very good idea.
- the side stand is still a problem looking for an elegant solution.
- I like the way you have cleaned up the instrument cluster. My tacho decided to stop working, so playing with the cluster has revealed a desire for simplification.
- What did you end up doing with the steering damper?
- Changing the way the rider's seat mounts would be an improvement.
- 35lbs less sounds like it would be a very good thing.

Thanks for the inspiration.