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Title: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 25, 2014, 09:20:27 PM: Rumor thread has started over at Guzzitech. http://forum.guzzitech.com/forum/topic?f=240&t=12375

We may as well have one, too.

Here it is, under wraps:
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-QTf5dh4/0/O/V13LM-Wraps.jpg)

I can see a high tail and what look like the ends of low clipons and the end of a brake lever poking out from the cover. Looks sporty. Not a standard replacement for the Griso. Not a sport-tourer.

Here's an artist's concept.
(http://forum.guzzitech.com/forum/file?id=6186&t=1)

My guess is that it's in a chassis that is a development of the 2009 Terblanche/Galluzzi V12LM showbike.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-pbcNfLv/0/M/big_moto_guzzi_v12_eicma_2009_04%5B1%5D-M.jpg)

(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-DGT3gjm/0/M/big_Novit_Guzzi_17%5B1%5D-M.jpg)

Now, rumors also say it has a liquid-cooled 1300cc mill. Is it all new? Or, is it Big Bore-style with liquid-cooled heads on the existing lower end? Hmmm.... I can't wait to see more !!!

:PICS!: :PICS!:

:food
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: LongRanger on January 25, 2014, 09:23:46 PM: Very cool. I will say the Artist's Concept looks a lot like an R1100S...'

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Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: jazzamoto on January 25, 2014, 09:46:16 PM: Quote from: LongRanger on January 25, 2014, 09:23:46 PM
Very cool. I will say the Artist's Concept looks a lot like an R1100S...'

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Yes, vague resemblance. Let's hope it runs better. I only kept my R1100S for six months.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: AH Fan on January 25, 2014, 10:35:50 PM: Yummmmy... :drool I think I would have that.

Cheers ;-T
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: LowRyter on January 25, 2014, 10:55:12 PM: :)
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: oldbike54 on January 26, 2014, 01:07:55 AM: How to say this in a nice way , hmm , um , thinking , OK how is this . Pierre Terblanche's designs leave me uninspired . Has the man ever looked at anything organic?
Dusty

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Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Vasco DG on January 26, 2014, 01:18:44 AM: Hopefully it will come to fruition and won't be some sort of horrible 'Retro' shitbox. If it is actually going to happen any time soon, and I'd have to say given the European and American markets I'd be surprised, it will hopefully be a fully 'Clean Sheet' design from the ground up.

Would I buy one? Probably not, it would almost certainly be too uncomfortable for me and I think my Griso, (Which as I've said is a bike that it appears was designed 'Just For Me' ;D) will see me out. If I was going to buy another bike with true sporting pretensions I would of bought a TV-4. As it is though I know that a new 'Sporting' Guzzi is something a lot of people have been hanging out for.

Do us a favour though. Buy them if they appear. Don't just moan and find fault! ??? ::)

Pete
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 26, 2014, 07:30:08 AM: under the cover looks like a pretty tall windshield/fairing and the tail hump looks way exaggerated and too tall. when will it be revealed?
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 26, 2014, 08:49:58 AM: Quote from: rocker59 on January 25, 2014, 09:20:27 PM

My guess is that it's in a chassis that is a development of the 2009 Terblanche/Galluzzi V12LM showbike.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-pbcNfLv/0/M/big_moto_guzzi_v12_eicma_2009_04%5B1%5D-M.jpg)

Didn't that have a plastic frame? Fail!
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Rob in Austin on January 26, 2014, 09:37:45 AM: The exposed sump fairing in that picture sure looks alot like the colors and logos on the MAS12 from Mandello Racing.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/rame77/MAS12-asso_ld.jpg)
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 09:53:32 AM: Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 26, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
Didn't that have a plastic frame? Fail!

Supposedly, the show bike did. I liked the design, but would prefer metal. So, if it is this design, lets hope it is executed in aluminum.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 26, 2014, 10:02:02 AM: Watercooled, DOHC, sounds like a bigbore 'pig' motor from the 90's that was never released.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 10:06:02 AM: Quote from: rocker59 on January 25, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Here it is, under wraps:
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-QTf5dh4/0/O/V13LM-Wraps.jpg)

Quote from: Rob in Austin on January 26, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
The exposed sump fairing in that picture sure looks alot like the colors and logos on the MAS12 from Mandello Racing.

Hmmm. I think you may be right.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s5beBnoGKlE/THLNvr6WOPI/AAAAAAAABsQ/shvcBNwqcIQ/s1600/MAS12.JPG)

http://www.duccutters.com/MandelloRacing-MAS12.tpl#.UuUyttLnbUI
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 10:22:43 AM: 151HP to 430?wet pounds. Sounds good to me, but I'd still prefer the MGS/01 look but I guess that horse will never leave the barn.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM: Quote from: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
151HP to 430?wet pounds. Sounds good to me, but I'd still prefer the MGS/01 look but I guess that horse will never leave the barn.

(http://straightspeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/73_moto_guzzi_mgs_01_corsa25281000x6712529.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s5beBnoGKlE/THLNvr6WOPI/AAAAAAAABsQ/shvcBNwqcIQ/s1600/MAS12.JPG)

MAS12 is built on a MGS-01 chassis.

But, sounds like the photo is not related to the story.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: AH Fan on January 26, 2014, 10:38:31 AM: Quote from: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
151HP to 430?wet pounds. Sounds good to me, but I'd still prefer the MGS/01 look but I guess that horse will never leave the barn.

I agree............. that would be my pick of the lot as well.

Cheers; 8)
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Unkept on January 26, 2014, 11:11:36 AM: I'm staying tuned... this could be very interesting.

I hope they come in Champagne! ;D

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Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: roadscum on January 26, 2014, 11:27:07 AM: Quote from: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
151HP to 430?wet pounds. Sounds good to me, but I'd still prefer the MGS/01 look but I guess that horse will never leave the barn.

430 wet..... will never happen. More like 530 wet, another bloated pig.

Paul
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 11:30:50 AM: Quote from: roadscum on January 26, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
430 wet..... will never happen. More like 530 wet, another bloated pig.

Paul

That's the race bike.

Someone mistakenly associated a picture of a covered MAS12 with the upcoming LeMans.

We really don't have any idea what Galluzzi has in store for us with his new LeMans.

Yet.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 11:57:08 AM: Quote from: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM

MAS12 is built on a MGS-01 chassis.

But, sounds like the photo is not related to the story.

Amazing how color and a lower fairing can change the looks at this time on a Sunday morning. ;D

I wonder when this story is going to unfold?
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: guzzi ride on January 26, 2014, 12:18:09 PM: Quote from: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
(http://straightspeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/73_moto_guzzi_mgs_01_corsa25281000x6712529.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s5beBnoGKlE/THLNvr6WOPI/AAAAAAAABsQ/shvcBNwqcIQ/s1600/MAS12.JPG)

MAS12 is built on a MGS-01 chassis.

But, sounds like the photo is not related to the story.

I would only hope that it resembles either one of these. :bow
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 26, 2014, 01:37:22 PM: Quote from: blackcat on January 26, 2014, 11:57:08 AM
Amazing how color and a lower fairing can change the looks at this time on a Sunday morning. ;D

I wonder when this story is going to unfold?

I remember the Ippo.. ;D but hope this one comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: lucydad on January 26, 2014, 02:57:24 PM: Hmmm....my back already hurts just looking at the geometry, and my hands are cramping.

Given that I would love to see Guzzi come out with a sport bike. Weight is critical, so is high technology to compete with a very crowded field of extremely competent bikes.

What is under the cover...only the Shadow knows...
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: ohiorider on January 26, 2014, 04:17:36 PM: ............. I want a retro shit box! Just like the little V7, only bigger. Doesn't even need DOHC and water-cooled heads. Just a plain-Jane Griso 8v would work.

Bob
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: SteveRivet on January 26, 2014, 04:44:22 PM: Quote from: ohiorider on January 26, 2014, 04:17:36 PM
............. I want a retro shit box! Just like the little V7, only bigger. Doesn't even need DOHC and water-cooled heads. Just a plain-Jane Griso 8v would work.

Bob

+1

Steve
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: LowRyter on January 26, 2014, 05:07:23 PM: Looks like someone's imagination went to overdrive. The photo is a hoax, not the V13. So we're just yakking on another speculation thread.

151 hp and 430 lb indeed. :winer
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: rocker59 on January 26, 2014, 05:30:39 PM: Quote from: LowRyter on January 26, 2014, 05:07:23 PM
Looks like someone's imagination went to overdrive. The photo is a hoax, not the V13. So we're just yakking on another speculation thread.

Yeah. Pretty much. Todd@Guzzitech admitted on his thread that he just randomly used the photo in his thread.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 26, 2014, 05:52:32 PM: Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on January 26, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
I remember the Ippo.. ;D but hope this one comes to fruition.

Do you remember the VA-10 motor? The Pig, new motor could just be BigBore version.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2014, 06:50:54 PM: Yes, the pic is not the new LeMans, but the new LeMans 1300 is for real, and according to Guzztech.com coming this year.

I don't claim to be on the inside of Guzzi workings by any means, but I do know someone who does know, and has told me that the next new Guzzi is indeed a new sport bike.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: moltoguzzi on January 26, 2014, 06:51:56 PM: Quote from: LowRyter on January 26, 2014, 05:07:23 PM
Looks like someone's imagination went to overdrive. The photo is a hoax, not the V13. So we're just yakking on another speculation thread.

151 hp and 430 lb indeed. :winer
Those are the numbers of the 1200S Monster. Ducati has learned through evolution to make light weight bikes. They use vacuum casting for their engines cases and finite element analysis to remove any unnecessary weight. Not to mention chain drive. I would guess between 550 and 600 road ready.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: JJ on August 29, 2016, 01:41:12 PM: Any update on this thread from 2014? :cool: :1: :thumb: Just hearing rumors and rumblings...

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=67380.0

JJC
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: charlie b on August 29, 2016, 03:40:36 PM: Well, I would hope it does not have the stupid a$$ kicked up in the rear look. But, given the current sport bike styling I suppose it will.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: bad Chad on August 29, 2016, 03:47:02 PM: Something like a 120 horse power maybe...
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: bad Chad on August 29, 2016, 04:24:18 PM: Yes they will. But I'm thinking they already have a motor that knocks out 96hp, but it's pretty big, and its not designed, at least in this iteration to make big hp for a sporting type bike. I do think they will be coming out with something much more sporting, and putting out substantially more hp than anything they have done to date.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Tom on August 29, 2016, 05:04:07 PM: So Piaggio is shifting their philosophy with Moto Guzzi putting out a sport bike variant. Will Aprilia make a touring bike? :grin:
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Scud on August 29, 2016, 05:12:32 PM: Like the Aprilia Futura? A very nice sport-touring mount by most accounts.

I think a 100th anniversary LeMans or Daytona would be a good move for Moto Guzzi.

I have given some thought to collecting 100th anniversary bikes. That would be a fun theme for a collection - and it could include: ... a Harley, Husqvarna, BMW, and a Moto Guzzi..... maybe even a Triumph.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Mark West on August 29, 2016, 06:52:39 PM: I tend to think Guzzi will do another sport bike, but given recent history, I'm wondering whether they do something with modern styling and technology or just go for another dual shocked retro model.
Title: Re: Is there a new Le Mans, (with the new liquid cooled motor), in our future?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 30, 2016, 02:54:41 PM: I've heard rumors from a creditable source, but I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the Ippo, and it certainly "looks" like Guzzi is now the cruiser division of Piaggio.