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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Penderic on March 26, 2014, 07:21:16 AM
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http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/spy-shots-ducati-scrambler-spotted/24744.html
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/DucatiScrambler_zps64a476b9.jpg)
Oh my.
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That could be a fun bike once they get it sorted out. I hope they make it.
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ducati 800 monster
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2015-ducati-monster-800-spotted/
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Nice to see Guzzi folk excited about Ducatis. Back in Italy the Guzzi guys were perceived as old codgers and Ducati guys as sporting bike guys . I have always been a Ducatista since the bevel twins and think that sometimes guzzi folk ought to take a spin and find out.. after all both Tonti and Ing Tagioni all hail from Emilia Romagna , not to mention Tamburini, father of the 916 bikes, so ride a Ducati , Bevel, Belt, etc, then you dont have to slap your red suspenders against your nipples to say WOW! Cheers
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I enjoy my ST2 and I also enjoy my LeMans. My wife prefers the ST2 to the LeMans and that is why we still have the ST2. ;-T :BEER:
Matt
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Been done. Cagiva (Ducati) Elephant, a cool bike wayyy ahead of it's time.
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I like the concept, the Hyperstrada is cool too IMHO. ;-T
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Nice to see Guzzi folk excited about Ducatis. Back in Italy the Guzzi guys were perceived as old codgers and Ducati guys as sporting bike guys . I have always been a Ducatista since the bevel twins and think that sometimes guzzi folk ought to take a spin and find out.. after all both Tonti and Ing Tagioni all hail from Emilia Romagna , not to mention Tamburini, father of the 916 bikes, so ride a Ducati , Bevel, Belt, etc, then you dont have to slap your red suspenders against your nipples to say WOW! Cheers
Both brands do things well, just differently and both have great heritage. That said, this scrambler concept is horrid. Look at the ergos. Almost looks like ape hangars on a 848. That is exaggeration but how long would you go off-asphalt with your legs bent like that?
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Ducati released a teaser trailer for their Scrambler today.
http://vimeo.com/97701658 (http://vimeo.com/97701658)
I stole the best frame I could find and changed the levels to get a better look. Very retro up front, looks modern monster in the back. Where's the high pipes?
(https://googledrive.com/host/0B39jfvTG0FX5X2tyYWk0eElONFE/Ducati Scrambler Bright.PNG)
What do you guys think? I like the concept.
-Joe
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I liked the video , but where was the bike ???
Dusty
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If it's anything more/different than an air-cooled Monster with semi-knobbies and a high pipe, I'll be surprised.
That image does not seem to show a bike with much suspension travel.
I think I'd want (at least) six-inches travel in the front and five in the back. The Supermoto and 2v Multistrada did...
That fuel tank looks interesting. hopefully it's at least four gallons.
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I liked the video , but where was the bike ???
Dusty
Not much of the bike, no. That's why it is a "teaser". :D
If it's anything more/different than an air-cooled Monster with semi-knobbies and a high pipe, I'll be surprised.
That image does not seem to show a bike with much suspension travel.
I think I'd want (at least) six-inches travel in the front and five in the back. The Supermoto and 2v Multistrada did...
That fuel tank looks interesting. hopefully it's at least four gallons.
I agree, that's why I said I like the concept...
Sadly, I think it will be scrambler in style only. :-\ The tank is very 60's though. ;-T
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I knew this was coming. Had a friend who attended the super-secret-skunkwork meeting with Ducati and had to sign an NDA. But yeah... Ducati asked the questions and got answers. Audience were current riders of Bonnevilles and V7s. Glad to see this coming out... but really hope it's made in Italy and not Thailand like the Asia-market Monsters.
So far, so nice...
Edit: Pic for maximum effect... lol
(http://www.ducatimotorcyclesoftampa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2.jpg)
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that is one ugly beast
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that is one ugly beast
That's one ugly Photoshop job!
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That's one ugly Photoshop job!
Agreed!!
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Looks like a modern interpretation of a 70's Honda kiddies bike.
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What an outstanding job they've done of not showing what they're showing.
2 valve, true "scrambler" styling and none of their excessive electro-wizzardy and I could be a buyer for a Monster for the rest of us.
No; street fighter, "naked", mo-tard crap style cues please!
In point of fact - just look to Triumph as inspiration in subtlety and restraint.
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better put a skid plate on that sucker or it won't go far that's for sure. Otherwise, me likey.
I'm partial to scramblers:
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/lrutt/71triumphside-small.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/lrutt/media/71triumphside-small.jpg.html)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/lrutt/250%20suzuki/IMG_6492.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/lrutt/media/250%20suzuki/IMG_6492.jpg.html)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/lrutt/2006%20triumph%20scrambler/DSCF0366_zps6a83366e.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/lrutt/media/2006%20triumph%20scrambler/DSCF0366_zps6a83366e.jpg.html)
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Here ya go.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2014/september/cologne-show-ducati-scrambler-revealed/
I kinda like this one...
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/306165/images/scrambler-5.jpg)
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that looks like a good stable mate for my Racer :drool
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lookin' good!
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Just as I was looking for a Dual Sport. Ok, ok... It ain't no proper dual-sport. But I ain't no proper guy... ;D
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Hmmm... Ducati is looking more and more pleasing. Not sure I care for the can, but that's just aesthetics.
-Kevin
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Thats a nice! But not a proper Scrambler with out hi pipes imo.
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Interesting to see if the public goes for the bike style in large enough numbers to have Moto Guzzi rethink about their own version.
And I cant help comparing the new crop of bikes with the red frames and accents with the V7Racer model notable styling. I think they are following the public interest in the Moto Guzzi Racer on the various forums.
Not only the Ducati Scambler - take a look at the BMW models at the show - round headlights and more symmetrical styling. Can the pendulum be swinging back?
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Thats a nice! But not a proper Scrambler with out hi pipes imo.
Of course you know this is deliberate, right? Ducati will be selling their "Termignoni high-mount shotgun scrambler exhaust" for a cool $2,200 (w/ECU & air filter, of course)... And will lump it into your payments - for uhhhh convenience! How nice of them...
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Of course you know this is deliberate, right? Ducati will be selling their "Termignoni high-mount shotgun scrambler exhaust" for a cool $2,200 (w/ECU & air filter, of course)... And will lump it into your payments - for uhhhh convenience! How nice of them...
yup. if i'm smart i'll wait to pick one up used with all that stuff added on and sorted. that's a big IF!
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Ne' carne , Ne' Pesce.
I rather get an old GS , at least it has the right wheels size 21 front , 18 rear.
Ah , hey in Italy we also say , Ducati ....soldi buttati LOL
jUST KIDDING...
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Even made Yahoo news:
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2015-ducati-scrambler-unveiled-2014-175921635.html
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It could take duc monster sales. And the looks are very much like the small yamaha bikes from 30 years ago.
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More pics and official vid.
http://www.motociclismo.it/ducati-scrambler-2015-piu-che-una-moto-uno-stile-di-vita-moto-59816
Can't wait to take this for a spin. Looks like a blast ;D
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Of course you know this is deliberate, right? Ducati will be selling their "Termignoni high-mount shotgun scrambler exhaust" for a cool $2,200 (w/ECU & air filter, of course)... And will lump it into your payments - for uhhhh convenience! How nice of them...
(https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/e8eLZONaXfGKcpZVYqZ2NA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-us/homerun/us.autos.rideapart/f60ed600814bc39f4c0ae99f46375264)
And I bet they sound glorious $$$!
:)
By the way those pegs look a bit slippery. Tack on new rearsets too . . . . ;-T
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Someone over at ADV posted some prices for the scrambler - basically very reasonable, except in Mexico! ???
Must be a transcription mistake or the wrong currency conversion!
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2015 Ducati Scrambler Pricing (MSRP)
Icon Red $8,495 (USA), $9,295 (Canada), $129,990 (Mexico); Icon Yellow $8,595 (USA), $9,395 (Canada), $131,490 (Mexico)
Full Throttle $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)
Urban Enduro $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)
Classic $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)
https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...ons-available/
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Ducati makes the Scrambler = +++
we get the Indian Scout = --------------
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Oh my, the aircooled 796 motor and 170kg. I just got rid of the HyperStrada! When is this going to stop?
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(https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/e8eLZONaXfGKcpZVYqZ2NA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-us/homerun/us.autos.rideapart/f60ed600814bc39f4c0ae99f46375264)
And I bet they sound glorious $$$!
:)
By the way those pegs look a bit slippery. Tack on new rearsets too . . . . ;-T
If you get one of these, I may have to call you my brothah from another mothah...
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Trivia fact: the "dollar sign" ($) was originally the "peso sign." Way Back When, the USA took the symbol of the S with a line through it from the Mexicans. So those prices in Mexico aren't quite as ridiculous as they appear. :-)
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I like it.
I like this more though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-Z4-1d0pw&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-Z4-1d0pw&feature=share)
http://www.borile.it/it/moto/b450scrambler (http://www.borile.it/it/moto/b450scrambler)
(http://kettenritzel.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/07_10_2013_bor_scrambler_08.jpg?w=545&h=364)(http://kettenritzel.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/dsc_0130.jpg?w=545&h=361)
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Never seen one of those. Looks right cept the reverse mounted engine looks like it was swapped in. ;)
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Frickin' homerun. And in Tenni Green, too? Ducati is really in tune with the market. I say they sell all they can make.
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.....looks like it was filmed at a typical Guzzi rally!
http://scramblerducati.com/ (http://scramblerducati.com/)
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http://www.motorradonline.de/news/ducati-scrambler-neuvorstellung-auf-der-intermot-2014/604840 (http://www.motorradonline.de/news/ducati-scrambler-neuvorstellung-auf-der-intermot-2014/604840)
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It looks like the air-cooled 2-valve motor gets a stay of execution.
The 803cc motor is a great motor (also used in the Monster 796 and Hypermotard 796). Yes, the 821 that replaces it in the Monster and Hypermotard makes significantly more HP (mostly high-end), the torque is only about 11% more -- not worth the additional complexity and maintenance costs of twice the valves and a cooling system. Of course, in many markets, HP numbers sell bikes, and liquid cooling helps them make emissions, so, like it or not, that is the direction things are going (as has been discussed in a lot of other threads :beat_horse).
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really nice bike
really dumb video
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Interesting that it appears they MAY have detuned the motor somewhat from the Monster version:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/new.../_/R-EPI-145073 (http://"http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2014/september/cologne-show-ducati-scrambler-revealed/ducati/_/R-EPI-145073")
While the engine is sourced from the Monster 796, it doesn’t go unfettled into the Scrambler. The 88mm x 66mm bore and stroke remain, but the valve overlap has been reduced to 11 degrees, which helps to smooth the power curve to suit the nature of the bike.
In this guise the engine develops 75bhp at 8250rpm, and 50.2lbft of torque at 5750rpm. The engine also gets a single throttle body, which sits inside the airbox with the twin injectors; the only way the traditional teardrop-shaped fuel tank could work with the available space
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I'll be riding one as soon as my local dealer has them available to try out. I wonder why the red model is $100 cheaper than the yellow?
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Someone over at ADV posted some prices for the scrambler - basically very reasonable, except in Mexico! ???
Must be a transcription mistake or the wrong currency conversion!
While the exchange rate differs, the peso (symbol is $) is normally about 12 to 1 US dollar. So $149,000 in pesos is about $12,416.
Mexico has some steep tariffs for goods that are not made in Mexico, it is normally much cheaper to purchase cars in the US and take them across the border except that if the vehicles are imported legally then the duty would still need to be paid. The last person I spoke with who legally imported a motorcycle from the US into Mexico ended up paying something like $3k (that's in US dollars) for the privilege. This was on a used BMW F650GS.
So in Mexico this is going to be more expensive than the US, but if you're familiar with Mexico then this is to be expected.
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I'll be riding one as soon as my local dealer has them available to try out. I wonder why the red model is $100 cheaper than the yellow?
Yellow is faster ;-T
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Now if someone would give me 10K for my Eldo I'll take one in yellow. ;D
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Interesting that it appears they MAY have detuned the motor somewhat from the Monster version:
"In this guise the engine develops 75bhp at 8250rpm, and 50.2lbft of torque at 5750rpm."
Definitely. In the Monster, it is rated at 87bhp @ 8250 RPM, and 58 lbft @ 6250.
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Definitely. In the Monster, it is rated at 87bhp @ 8250 RPM, and 58 lbft @ 6250.
The only reason I hesitated and said "may have" is because the numbers they quote are almost EXACTLY the rear wheel 796 hp and torque figures.
Though it seems unlikely that they gave RWHP in the press release.
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If you get one of these, I may have to call you my brothah from another mothah...
Ha! I got dibs on the red Icon w/Termi's :)
Nice website with the breakdown of each rendition available
http://scramblerducati.com/en
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Ha! I got dibs on the red Icon w/Termi's :)
Nice website with the breakdown of each rendition available
http://scramblerducati.com/en
I'm diggin the "Wild Green" (Olive Drab) Urban Enduro trim... Seems the perfect "adventure-light" for exploring anything around NorCal. Does that mean my V7 goes into cafe mode (clip-ons, Stucci fairing)?? Fun, this motorcycle thing...
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The only reason I hesitated and said "may have" is because the numbers they quote are almost EXACTLY the rear wheel 796 hp and torque figures.
Though it seems unlikely that they gave RWHP in the press release.
The torque peak RPM is 500 RPM lower than the spec numbers for the Monster 796. RWHP and Crank HP numbers are both crank RPM figures, so, if that was the case, then the torque peak RPM should be 6,250.
This leads me to believe that these are crank figures, and that the engine was tuned for better lower RPM torque (which, usually brings lower high end HP).
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For exploring, I hope the bike returns good fuel economy. 3.5 gallons won't get you too far down that lonely road.
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With those fenders, that "lonely road" better be clean and dry as well.
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One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.
Would that be due to a front weight bias?
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One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.
Would that be due to a front weight bias?
Probably just trying to get slideways for the camera
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The torque peak RPM is 500 RPM lower than the spec numbers for the Monster 796. RWHP and Crank HP numbers are both crank RPM figures, so, if that was the case, then the torque peak RPM should be 6,250.
WHAT?
I'm told by dyno operators that the RWHP figure is the "real" one in the conversation and the torque figures are derived from it.
I know that they are related, but I don't think that two different motors who make peak hp at the same rpm must necessarily make peak torque at the same rpm right? I mean, torque curves can have funny shapes.
The difference in valve overlap and the single throttle body should be enough to give different shapes, no?
This leads me to believe that these are crank figures, and that the engine was tuned for better lower RPM torque (which, usually brings lower high end HP).
OK, that part made sense to me.
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For exploring, I hope the bike returns good fuel economy. 3.5 gallons won't get you too far down that lonely road.
Jenn's 696 regularly goes 150-160 miles before the low fuel light comes on at about 2.6-2.8 gallons.
And I think her tank is in the 3.5 range.
That's not bad, it's a comfortable 170 at least.
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For exploring, I hope the bike returns good fuel economy. 3.5 gallons won't get you too far down that lonely road.
I want one with a sidecar with a 3 gallon rotopax attached. ;-T
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One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.
Would that be due to a front weight bias?
No, that's lack of traction control that even a V7 II has... :D :D :D
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One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.
Would that be due to a front weight bias?
No... hp and wringing it's neck. I know we're not used to seeing that with our Guzzi's. ;)
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Jenn's 696 regularly goes 150-160 miles before the low fuel light comes on at about 2.6-2.8 gallons.
And I think her tank is in the 3.5 range.
That's not bad, it's a comfortable 170 at least.
The specs say 3.6 gallon tank, same as the 796.
Another data point:
The low fuel light on my 796 (803cc) typically comes on after 115-120 miles, and takes 2.5-2.6 gallons to fill. So, my MPG is a good bit lower. "Comfortable" range is about 150 miles.
EDIT: I've only got 1,500 miles on it, so, the MPG may improve as it breaks in more.
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Jenn's 696 regularly goes 150-160 miles before the low fuel light comes on at about 2.6-2.8 gallons.
And I think her tank is in the 3.5 range.
That's not bad, it's a comfortable 170 at least.
;-T
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One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.
That's what dirt bikes do when you gas them with the front wheel turned. You should see my KTM. Or watch the videos of the Dakar guys at 110 mph and fishtailing :o
I think the muffler and exhaust could hold about a pint of water, either from rain or washing. Who would design exhaust pipes open on top ???
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Ok, now I know.
After a wash wouldn't soap bubbles come out of that exhaust?
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The red colour is $100 cheaper specifically for the Guzzi crowd! :BEER:
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What's with the exposed (external) cam belts. I've never seen that on a bike. Is that an issue? Otherwise gotta say the bike is very interesting.
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Jay, I suspect your mileage will improve. Then again, Jenn is smaller than us and ride more sedately. But I still think it will improve.
What's with the exposed (external) cam belts. I've never seen that on a bike. Is that an issue? Otherwise gotta say the bike is very interesting.
Exposed? Are you talking about them being under those plastic covers (that's standard Duc practice), or do you mean something else?
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What's with the exposed (external) cam belts. I've never seen that on a bike. Is that an issue? Otherwise gotta say the bike is very interesting.
They're external, but under covers. Been that way on Ducatis since the early 1980s and the TT600 racebikes:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r236/storm_rider02/desmo2Vtimingbelts.jpg)
(http://www.ducati-tt.de/12Bilder_worksracer/MO_3-83_s3.JPG)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-54298a7f/turbine/la-fi-hy-ducati-2015-scrambler-20140924)
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Thank you for the education...not sure how i feel about that still, I've always had aversion to belts critical to motor function...
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Thank you for the education...not sure how i feel about that still, I've always had aversion to belts critical to motor function...
Meaning you're not sure how you feel about Ducatis in general then.
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Correct, I own a Stone, as I see you do, plus you own a Duc. Perhaps you can comment on your experiences between the two?
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Correct, I own a Stone, as I see you do, plus you own a Duc. Perhaps you can comment on your experiences between the two?
What do you want to know?
I've compared and congested them many times.
Push comes to shove there's no comparison in performance/chassis etc.
But for practical use on the street there nothing our Stones can't do and I personally choose the Guzzi 9 times out of 10.
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But for practical use on the street there nothing our Stones can't do and I personally choose the Guzzi 9 times out of 10.
I've got a Monster 796 and a V7 Racer (2013), and can do a partial :+1. I don't know that I'd choose the Guzzi 9 times out of 10. I depends on the mission of the ride. But, I agree that for practical use on the street, there is nothing that the V7 can can't do. Plus, they ooze character, which, is sorely lacking in most modern motorcycles, and they're one of the simplest to maintain modern motorcycles as well.
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From Leafman60's trip report to the Guzzi Factory....
"I specifically asked the production manage about several things:
1. He said they will begin assembly of the new V7 series with a 6-speed transmission within a few weeks to be sold as a 2015 model. The new V7's will also have ABS.
2. We talked in general about the V7 engine and I brought up criticism about its power output. He kept nodding knowingly and smiling. He said, yes, they know about those issues and agree with the criticism and assured me with a wide toothy smile that they, the engineers, "were working on it."
3. I also asked him about a Baby Stelvio adventure bike and he became animated with another wide smile. He said that is what he personally wanted to see, a small block adventure bike. Again, he assured me that this is something they ARE working on. He reminded that these things take time but they are not unaware of these issues."
So.... I'll wait for the Baby Stelvio and save a few $ every month until it's available.
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From Leafman60's trip report to the Guzzi Factory....
"I specifically asked the production manage about several things:
1. He said they will begin assembly of the new V7 series with a 6-speed transmission within a few weeks to be sold as a 2015 model. The new V7's will also have ABS.
2. We talked in general about the V7 engine and I brought up criticism about its power output. He kept nodding knowingly and smiling. He said, yes, they know about those issues and agree with the criticism and assured me with a wide toothy smile that they, the engineers, "were working on it."
3. I also asked him about a Baby Stelvio adventure bike and he became animated with another wide smile. He said that is what he personally wanted to see, a small block adventure bike. Again, he assured me that this is something they ARE working on. He reminded that these things take time but they are not unaware of these issues."
So.... I'll wait for the Baby Stelvio and save a few $ every month until it's available.
Baby Stelvio...:food
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Speaking of maintenance, I downloaded the Monster 796 owner's manual and browsed it. I was stunned at the procedure for the battery removal. If the Scrambler is similar i won't be interested. Don't like unnecessary drama with motorcycle maintenance.
As for the Stone, LOVE everything about it except the suspension (fixable) and the ergos (too cramped for my 6' 4" 285lb frame) (weight fixable, ergos prolly not)
I feel like I'm squatting on the Stone, knees just a smidge higher than the hips...
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Icon Red $8,495 (USA), $9,295 (Canada), $129,990 (Mexico);
Mexican peso = 7.5 cents US, so the bike is only about $1000 more in Mexico than in the States.
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As for the Stone, LOVE everything about it except the suspension (fixable) and the ergos (too cramped for my 6' 4" 285lb frame) (weight fixable, ergos prolly not)
I feel like I'm squatting on the Stone, knees just a smidge higher than the hips...
taller seat?
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Speaking of maintenance, I downloaded the Monster 796 owner's manual and browsed it. I was stunned at the procedure for the battery removal.
Really hard to get to the battery for sure, also the neutral light sending unit. Another thing I disliked on the monster 696, the sidestand mounts to the crankcase. Ours had broke the boss on the case for the main bolt ( I was able to use a longer bolt ). The damage was done in shipping from Alaska by PO., do not ship these bikes with the sidestand down!
Does the 796 mount the side stand like that also? If so, maybe they will change it on the scrambler.
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Really hard to get to the battery for sure, also the neutral light sending unit. Another thing I disliked on the monster 696, the sidestand mounts to the crankcase. Ours had broke the boss on the case for the main bolt ( I was able to use a longer bolt ). The damage was done in shipping from Alaska by PO., do not ship these bikes with the sidestand down!
Does the 796 mount the side stand like that also? If so, maybe they will change it on the scrambler.
Do not ship any bike with the sidestand down.
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Really hard to get to the battery for sure, also the neutral light sending unit.
My Triumph Bonnie 2012 was the same way. I basically needed a phillips, a hex and a star to get two or three different panels out of the way. So dumb.
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First real motorcycle I ever rode was a Ducati Scrambler. My friend was teaching me to ride it one very hot muggy afternoon, we would kick it over and over till it started then I would stall it and kick and kick again, repeat, not sure why my interest in motorcycles lasted after that day, my leg is still sore!
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taller seat?
Maybe. I love the looks of the Stone as is, the seat is sculpted with the lines of the tank. Not sure how/who I would turn to make a taller seat. Not sure how much height would be enough to make it just right.
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Maybe. I love the looks of the Stone as is, the seat is sculpted with the lines of the tank. Not sure how/who I would turn to make a taller seat. Not sure how much height would be enough to make it just right.
There are custom saddle makers in the US. In theory any upholstery shop could help.
You can open the stock seat and attach additional foam and test it like that, sculpting the foam before finally covering it again.
Perhaps a second seat pan would be helpful if you can find a used seat (especially one with some scuffs).
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I reckon the battery is in under the tank beside the airbox. Hopefully not too bad to get to.
My Ducati 848 is a breeze. 11 easy to access Allen bolts and the entire fairing side panel lifts away and there it is. My mate's Ducati ST4 on the other hand requires most of the entire fairing to be dismantled.
Italian bike designers - sure, form over function sometimes, but thank god they are there!
I am loving my 848 now, but am seriously tempted by the Scrambler Classic - what a fun bike!
Kurt
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Ha! I got dibs on the red Icon w/Termi's :)
Nice website with the breakdown of each rendition available
http://scramblerducati.com/en
The video Could be a Budweiser commercial: Good times, babes, beach, wet shirts... :D
The scrambler is growing on me, but the 13.5lt tank is too small, can't imagine it doing more than 120-130 in an urban environment.
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I attended the AMA show in Orlando last weekend and Ducati had all versions of their new Scrambler on display. What a nice looking bike in my opinion. Definitely going to be some competition for the Triumph / MG business.
(http://s16.postimg.org/uigzjxsg5/IMG_2353.jpg)
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Looks really nice to me too... except for that muffler that looks like a large Thermos. I'd have to at least spray paint it black.
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There's a LOT to like...
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There's a LOT to like...
I agree! Love it.
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Throwback and modern. I like it. It *looks* like a lot of fun.
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What happened to the girl???
(http://myweb.cebridge.net/dhanson/duc.jpg)
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I attended the AMA show in Orlando last weekend and Ducati had all versions of their new Scrambler on display. What a nice looking bike in my opinion. Definitely going to be some competition for the Triumph / MG business.
(http://s16.postimg.org/uigzjxsg5/IMG_2353.jpg)
I think that's a great looking bike!
Well, except for the funky exhaust outlet.
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(http://s16.postimg.org/uigzjxsg5/IMG_2353.jpg)
Guess, I'm the "odd man out" as usual. It's only "okay" to me. Too much black paint, don't like the entire exhaust or the boomerang shaped swingarm.
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She says HI from Oklahoma ;D
Dusty
I see! LOL. :bow
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There's a LOT to like...
If I hadn't just purchased my Monster in Auguest, I'd be seriously considering buying one of these. It would be hard to choose which sub-model, as I like several of them.
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Made in Thailand?
Would that make a difference to the new buyers?
Interesting! :pop
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I would rather it be made in Italy, but cheaper is good if it looks okay. Parts come form Italy.
I like the orange of course, course that may change when you actually get to see one.
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Guess, I'm the "odd man out" as usual. It's only "okay" to me. Too much black paint, don't like the entire exhaust or the boomerang shaped swingarm.
You are right on all three points
It's cool, but those three things keep it from WOW for me
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:+=copcar i'm pretty sure the bonnie motor is made in Thailand or china===definitely not England.
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Local dealer says the bikes are Thailand-made...
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Made in Thailand?
Would that make a difference to the new buyers?
Interesting! :pop
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-scrambler-made-in-thailand/
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Thailand is ok. I don't mind if they can get the cost down if the quality/value is maintained.
Here is another BMW scrambler custom that has a lot of the right looking hipster stuff too! I like! :BEER:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/renard-bmw-boxer-1-625x625_zpsd240388c.jpg)
http://www.bikeexif.com/bmw-boxer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Bikeexif+%28Bike+EXIF%29
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Many bikes are made in Thailand - including the Triumph Scrambler.
My 2010 Bonneville T100 is made in Thailand. It's a beautiful bike. The finish is very good. The tanks are still painted in England from what I understand, as are a number of the components.
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Hi,
Things might have changed, but when Triumph started assembling bikes in Thailand the engines were built in England. Bikes were assembled in Thailand.
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The Thailand thing is old news for both Ducati and Triumph, though Ducati was lagging behind slightly.
Whether it was for cheaper labor and/or to avoid some import tariffs or other reasons it's been happening for some time.
I THINK Triumph and Ducati (and possibly Harley) are all following the same general patterns:
1. Build Asian factory to make parts for their line and/or "assemble" bikes from parts shipped from homeland.
2. Eventually use said factory to ship bikes elsewhere, possibly even homeland.
I think Triumph started by making frames in Thailand, and now the entire Bonnie Classic line is produced there and shipped elsewhere. Not sure about motors, they might still come from England.
I'm told Ducati already had a facility there making frames. I believe motors are still coming from Italy, but the entire Scrambler line will now be built there and shipped elsewhere.
Harley has both Brazil and India plants that "assemble" their traditional models shipped with frames and motors from the US. BUT I THINK the Brazil plant is making a significant portion of the Street models that are "assembled" in Kansas City. I THINK the motors are coming from the US plant for all, but I'm not positive of that.
In all cases the brands are protecting themselves from backlash by their extremist-owners/enthusiasts by starting with base models. Maybe they'll keep it that way. Maybe that's the only way to keep the base models in that $8-10k price range long term (and keep the margins where they want). Who knows?
Still, it seems that this is the new way...
... emotionally I DO HOPE Piaggio doesn't do that with Guzzi. However, realistically, if the brand ever grew to the levels of Ducati or Triumph, I don't see how they could avoid it.
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... emotionally I DO HOPE Piaggio doesn't do that with Guzzi. However, realistically, if the brand ever grew to the levels of Ducati or Triumph, I don't see how they could avoid it.
Yeah, I hope so too. They already have a foot in Vietnam. They seemed to do an experiment in that realm with one of their Vespa models (China) and I wasn't happy with the results. ...but that was China.
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Piaggio plant at Baramati, India.
(http://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/gallery/vespa-plant-visit/Vespa_Plant_Visit_05.JPG)
http://www.motorbeam.com/bikes/vespa/we-visit-the-vespa-plant-pictures-galore/
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Yeah, I hope so too. They already have a foot in Vietnam. They seemed to do an experiment in that realm with one of their Vespa models (China) and I wasn't happy with the results. ...but that was China.
China is a different ball of wax.
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Here ya go.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2014/september/cologne-show-ducati-scrambler-revealed/
I kinda like this one...
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/306165/images/scrambler-5.jpg)
That is the one I am thinking about. Dealer emailed me and said they are preselling the '15s and expect to be sold out before the first one hits the showroom. I passed because I ride before I buy.
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Finally got a chance to see it and get on it this past weekend at the IMS in San Mateo, CA.
I was immediately struck by how small the bike looks overall and how narrow and low it feels under you. I'm only 5'9" and inseam challenged, but the Scrambler (Icon version) felt tiny. Fit and finish is very nice and the higher trim models were as shown on the web, but the scale of the bike was a bit misleading - at least for me. While it is lighter with more power than my V7, I really enjoy the authenticity I feel with my Guzzi and would still opt for it despite the Scrambler option from Ducati.
Ducati will sell a bunch of these to their target market. I realized, Saturday, I'm not in that segment, but YMMV...
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/scrambler/467113d1415208615-arrival-dates-scramblerrt.jpg)
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Just introduced at EICMA, the Husquavarna Svartpilen (black arrow) is a clear shot at the heart of Ducati’s new Scrambler and bikes of that ilk. Based on a new 400cc liquid-cooled thumper, the Svart goes full urban/agro with an enduro bar, knobby tires, and functional racks. This is the bike Mad Max would ride.
(http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2014/11/100043_husqvarna_svartpilen_left_2512.jpg?itok=xZ8LJmxT)
I like the Ducati scrambler better.
There is also a supermoto version of it called the Vitpilen (white arrow):
(http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2014/11/100058_husqvarna_vitpilen_left_2512.jpg?itok=bgAo6_C7)
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Jay, your computer threw up. Repeatedly. ;D
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Mad Max might like it. I sure don't.
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You can say that again Jas!
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Makes the first electric bikes look almost normal. ;)
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Jay, your computer threw up. Repeatedly. ;D
???
The website stopped responding, so, I checked the thread, it wasn't there, so, I hit "post" again.
I just removed the redundant posts.
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This morning I notice that a lot of the "first ride" reviews are pouring in from the press after the launch in Palm Springs. Most seem really entusiastic, a few ambitious ones claiming it will be Ducati's biggest seller by far in 2015. Almost all reviews complain of the snatchy, lurchy throttle off the line but say they got used to it by ride's end. And too, I guess the launch had at least several mechanical bugaboos with a fuel line popping off, a throttle not closing, and maybe another thing too I can't recall. Suspension labeled "firmer than expected" by most I read. While most said the bike was fine as far as comfort, I read one reviewer who said his 6'1" frame yielded leg cramps after a bit. Exhaust note called too muted by another reviewer but most will replace anyhow. Not much revealed about tank range, mpg, so called off road capability was not tested in the launch route. Overall, seems to be a very pleasing little ride and the word "fun" was mentioned by, I think, every single review I read. Many groomed mustaches await to purchase.
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Those Italians! It is smart marketing with a professional PR campaign, designed to target a new market demo. 8)
Look at what the Indian brand did to promote their new motorcycles. Spy shots, movie cameos, teaser media released like clockwork!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/ducati-scrambler-hipster-shirt_zps3fc686d5.jpg)
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Those Italians! It is smart marketing with a professional PR campaign, designed to target a new market demo. 8)
Look at what the Indian brand did to promote their new motorcycles. Spy shots, movie cameos, teaser media released like clockwork!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/ducati-scrambler-hipster-shirt_zps3fc686d5.jpg)
Gotta hand it to that PR department. They've brought two words together I never thought I'd see. Free and Ducati.
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Thats good! LOL! :D
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Here's to a generous supply of lightly used Scramblers in 2016!
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I like the husky! Needs a front mudguard solution but looks sweet to me!
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With the new Rider magazine doing a test ride on the new Scrambler from Ducati this thread deserves a resurrection. First pictures I've seen of it. Found a lot more on the net after a search. This thing looks like an absolute hoot to ride! Did another search for my closest dealer. Lo and behold under 2 hours a new Ducati dealer popped up just about the time I bought my Norge and sold my ST4S ABS. Spoke to them yesterday and they will have a demo bike and a gathering of sorts that will include a demo truck ect.. Wicked cool second bike, I'm thinkin'! Doesn't take much in the 2 wheel world to excite me, although it seems less frequent these days. Hopefully they'll have this, an MG 1400 Touring, the new V7, and an Indian Scout at the Montreal Motorcycle show the end of February. Curiosity sake on the Indian. I like all motorcycles, some are surely not for me though.
Stay safe, John
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Hey, just as an aside, for those wanting to check your personal fit.
This scrambler has been added to " cycle-ergo.com ", a motorcycle ergonomics simulator...
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Hey, just as an aside, for those wanting to check your personal fit.
This scrambler has been added to " cycle-ergo.com ", a motorcycle ergonomics simulator...
Thanks for that! I find it to be a pretty good gauge to how a bike fits. Check it to bikes you've been on.
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The local Ducati dealer (Ace Motorsports in Concord CA) had the roadshow in last Wednesday so I rode the Monza over for a look. I was expecting to be unimpressed. Opposite, they're gonna sell a boatload of these. For starters, even I can sit on it flat-footed, both feet. (5-4, 29/30" inseam, 115#). Static display so no riding. This example had the high bars, no thanks, but the lower "superbike" bars should be just about perfect. The seat is narrow where it counts, which is how they get the inseam-friendliness. But good padding, at least in the shop. Range projected to be around 150 miles, weight around 410 pounds. Personally I'd rather have a nuovo Pantah but the Scrambler seems pretty nice. Except for the Ducati maintenance part… not going that way any time soon unless I get a killer deal on a healthy 650 Allazzura. for entertainment purposes only, you understand…
Less weight and lower price than the Triumph Scrambler. They also had the new "adventure" bike, couldn't even get a short, arthritic leg over that. 1299 Panigale is brought to you by The Inquisition in place of the rack… 750/900 SS ergonomics or lack thereof. Yeah the starter motor has more power than a V50 engine but so what? 8)
I predict lots of Duc Scramblers on the road by summertime.
cr
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The Ducati road show was at Redline today so I stopped by to take a look at the scrambler. Honestly, it's a pretty nice bike and should sell like crazy. It seemed to be a bit smaller than my V7 but that might just be due to the engine layout and narrow tank. I think the seat would be a challenge after about an hour...about like any other OEM seat (Stelvio excepted). The single instrument cluster is pretty clever. You will have to use the trip meter to keep track of gas...about like the V7. This is an air/oil cooled engine so there is a good sized oil cooler up front...no thermostat in the oil circuit as far as I could tell and the rep did not know any different. The engine has about 25 more horsepower than the V7. I'd also point out that the distance from seat to pegs must be a bit more than the V7 because I did not feel as bunched up as on the V7. The ABS can be switched off on the fly...no traction control. All in all, quite a nice bike. Now that the valve service interval is 15,000 miles that pain won't be quite as often. The 2 valve air cooled mill is easier to check than the 4 valve ones, if only because there is half as much stuff crammed into the same space.
On a more somber note, Redline is dropping Guzzi as a brand.
Peter Y.
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I sat on this one at the Dallas show
(http://g2.img-dpreview.com/0DCE49F4468845F1B79CEA6BAAE5F295.jpg)
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I sat on this one at the Dallas show
(http://g2.img-dpreview.com/0DCE49F4468845F1B79CEA6BAAE5F295.jpg)
The exact same bike I saw.
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My March issue of Cycle World with the caption of "Ducati Wants Your Soul" on the cover really grabbed my attention. So much so that I drove up to Reno Motosports and put a deposit down on the Classic version. That will make it necessary to put my 2010 V7 Cafe' fun Bike up for sale. I've listed it in MGNOC and Classified's on this site. I'm not abandoning Moto Guzzi as my 3003 Cali will remain in the stable for two up touring for a long time. My reasoning on this move is that the new Scrambler comes the closest to my back to basics idea that Ducati has marketed in recent years, and smaller is better, in my case. It also accommodates my wife as a passenger as the Guzzi Cafe' doesn't. Our 50th. wedding anniversary is coming up in June and we have had many miles of 2 wheeled bliss. I'll take questions on this forum about the V7.
wesleystephens66@gmail.com
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Cool, I totally get it. ;-T
Though I won't be getting rid of my V7 to get one, I can certainly understand someone who would.
ENJOY!
and RIDE SAFE
(oh yeah, and congrats on that upcoming anniversary).
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I think they hit it out of the park with the Scrambler Looks like a total blast to ride.
I'll keep my Triumph and Moto Guzzi bikes but I can see the appeal.
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Very interested to find out how you like the Duc.
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I sat on it the NYC show and was not impressed but it may have been the horrible high handlebars; it just felt weird
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Talked to the Portland dealer today, said they had preorders for 40.
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Talked to the Portland dealer today, said they had preorders for 40.
I don't suppose they put that in context? Like typical sales of the next best Ducati seller. That would be interesting to hear, cause 40 pre-orders sounds impressive.
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Well. Looks like the Scramblers are suddenly Ducati's biggest seller.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/new-scrambler-fuels-big-sales-increase-for-ducati/
Should Guzzi be paying attention? Honest question.
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Well. Looks like the Scramblers are suddenly Ducati's biggest seller.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/new-scrambler-fuels-big-sales-increase-for-ducati/
Should Guzzi be paying attention? Honest question.
They ALREADY ARE.
Ducati's Scrambler isn't a success because it is a "SCRAMBLER" per se.
It's a success because of the "garage build" concept.
It's small enough, cheap enough, and comes in enough variations that people can buy them and do what they want with them.
It's the cheap and easy entry to a brand, and the entry to a project while still getting the "reliability" of a brand new bike.
It's the reason for success of the Monster line before the Scrambler, it's the reason for the success of the V7, it's the reason for the success of the Sportster, and the Bonnie too...
Overall, Ducati sales increased 22% over the similar time frame in 2014. When an entirely new model concept, such as the Scrambler, jumps to the top (in terms of sales volume) that quickly (the Scrambler has barely been in dealers 6 months), it confirms a significant shift in market demand. We chuckled a bit about BMW’s decision to offer the R nineT with a visible weld seam, but no one can deny that the hipster ethos (authenticity) is driving an important part of the market for motorcycles. Yamaha has its “garage built” program, and a big sales success with its Star Bolt line, further evidence that this is no longer just a trend.
In the case of Guzzi you've got the 3 variants from the factory Stone/Special/Racer, and then this:
http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/the-kits/
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They ALREADY ARE.
Ducati's Scrambler isn't a success because it is a "SCRAMBLER" per se.
It's a success because of the "garage build" concept.
It's small enough, cheap enough, and comes in enough variations that people can buy them and do what they want with them.
It's the cheap and easy entry to a brand, and the entry to a project while still getting the "reliability" of a brand new bike.
It's the reason for success of the Monster line before the Scrambler, it's the reason for the success of the V7, it's the reason for the success of the Sportster, and the Bonnie too...
In the case of Guzzi you've got the 3 variants from the factory Stone/Special/Racer, and then this:
http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/the-kits/
Excellent points, Kev. And I do think Guzzi has upped their game a great bit, especially the garage aspect of the V7. This being said, I was sorta hinting at that old dead power issue, :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu, and wondering if Guzzi should be considering this any more per se in light of the Scrambler sales - Scrambler here being the class leader in terms of performance among these smaller retro bikes to include Triumphs and Geese...I guess. Are V7s still MGs biggest sellers? I vaguelly recall they are?
Different era, different trends but I recall the GT1000 (and Sport Classic line) like I used to own also leaping to the fore in sales for Ducati and then dramatically falling off only a couple years after introductioni. Of course, lots and lots of other issues there as to why that happened. It would seem today's buying climate with the customization and hipster appeal is much more attuned to the success of bikes like the Scrambler than it was for my former GT. And the GT and other Sport Classics also had their own set of problems (tank expansion being the main one) that began to creep up after a year or so as well.
Anyhow, talk about your boutiques.
https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2015/07/08/ducati-scrambler-camp-1st-exclusive-dealership-opens/
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Excellent points, Kev. And I do think Guzzi has upped their game a great bit, especially the garage aspect of the V7. This being said, I was sorta hinting at that old dead power issue, :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu, and wondering if Guzzi should be considering this any more per se in light of the Scrambler sales - Scrambler here being the class leader in terms of performance among these smaller retro bikes to include Triumphs and Geese...I guess. Are V7s still MGs biggest sellers? I vaguelly recall they are?
I think it's a tough argument to try and tie in this sales trend with performance.
For instance, the Scrambler not only represents the cheapest new Ducati you can buy (at least in the US), it also represents the SLOWEST. It's the smallest motor with the least power output, using a version of the now gone Monster 796 which was actually DETUNED from the Monster.
Similarly isn't the Triumph Scrambler basically their slowest bike too (along with the Bonnie T100/SE etc.).
<shrugs>
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I sat on this one at the Dallas show
(http://g2.img-dpreview.com/0DCE49F4468845F1B79CEA6BAAE5F295.jpg)
I haven't been following this thread or this bike but I have to say, based on the above photo that this is not an attractive bike. Maybe they look better in person?
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I haven't been following this thread or this bike but I have to say, based on the above photo that this is not an attractive bike. Maybe they look better in person?
I've seen some pretty hot chicks take some pretty horrible photos.
I'm saying that I would NEVER judge the looks of a bike (or almost anything) from only a single picture (or possibly even a handful of pictures).
Also, FWIW, there are 4 different variants of the model from the factory alone (mostly varying in cosmetics from the tank and fenders to seat and other ancillary parts).
Kinda like the V7 Stone/Special/Racer looks all vary around a theme, or the Bonnie/SE/T100/Thruxton...
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I haven't been following this thread or this bike but I have to say, based on the above photo that this is not an attractive bike. Maybe they look better in person?
Yes... I find it quite hideous also. How they can call this a scrambler???? Ok, it's got the right bars and naked front. No high pipes and don't see the nobbies. I don't like how it dips in the middle, front fender is awful looking, and that throw-on muffler is atrocious. Guzzi has the right frame in their small block, Duc does not IMO.
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The bike looks just like the photo. If I do say so myself.
I have a buddy, the fellow is about 5'7", stroke survivor, and 64 years old, that just bought one. It's small, light and fast. He has a Bonneville and this is much sportier and easier for him to ride.
It really reminds me more of a Street Tracker than a Scrambler. It's sport standard with some style. Probably something that's more like the original Monster than the radical styled bike that the Monster has turned into.
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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2015/07/09/ducati-north-america-june-sales-up-106-record-month/
June Ducati sales record month, up 106 percent. Maybe they should call this the Scrambler Bump.
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I test rode one and was ready to buy until the dealer tacked on all the fees. The budget Ducati came in over $10,000 before taxes. It was a fun ride. Might pick up a low mileage used one when the first buyers of the ICON trade in for the later model releases.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411217528.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1275/13548833/24249654/411217527.jpg)
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