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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Snowtigeress on May 04, 2014, 11:50:40 PM
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Hi there,Im Donna,and I'm living in the UK
Well after looking bidding and losing for so long I have finally got a Guzzi.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20Strada/DSC_3572_zps63b3dc10.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/snowtigeress/media/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20Strada/DSC_3572_zps63b3dc10.jpg.html)
But he's poorly
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/ozUUbMv_zps0dad3527.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/snowtigeress/media/ozUUbMv_zps0dad3527.jpg.html)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/v1pxNg1_zps6cc27735.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/snowtigeress/media/v1pxNg1_zps6cc27735.jpg.html)
He's thrown his UJ, and broken the swing arm and gearbox casing.
Ive managed to get a UJ,swingarm and gearbox case and this is like a show and tell....
Donna
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My, my, but aren't you the ambitious one! I hope the price paid for the bike was commensurate with the damage shown. Welcome to this forum and all the tech assistance one could want.
You are yet another living embodiment of the famous Guzzi slogan, "Moto Guzzi; making mechanics out of riders since 1921!"
Ralph
2003 Stone Touring
2004 Stone Touring
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Ouch!!! :o
I assume your moniker "Snowtigress refers to you being a tiger for punishment. ;)
All the best for the rebuild. Once you get it going you will wonder how you ever managed without a Guzzi.
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That's a dramatic drive shaft right there. I've not seen one bent like that. A hammer, JB weld, and a friend to hold your beer while you pound on it should be all it takes to put that bad boy back on the road. ;D
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Its a Strada? Is that atwo valve per cylinder model or a 4V? If the latter the buggered gearbox is probably only the beginning of the pain.
Pete
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Why did you cut off your head in the picture
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If you were not already aware?
http://www.rebootguzzispares.com/
This outfit should be able to help with second hand bits.
English speaking based in France, so onerous import duty.
:)
Rob
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Why did you cut off your head in the picture
B/F only had the bike in shot on that one so I cropped it even nearer to the bike
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Well I picked up the bike on the !5th of April
This is my second Project
4 years ago I knew not much about bikes,I wanted to take on a project to learn mechanics
I built this:
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/the%20pup/101_0042.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/snowtigeress/media/the%20pup/101_0042.jpg.html)
From this
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Then got my full licence on him
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I work 12 out of 14 days a fortnight
on the 27th of april my first weekend off after buying the bike it
took 3 hours to get it to this
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SO time to crack out the spanners:
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3715_zpsdc4e1f85.jpg)
Dont you just love these little Tonti Guzzi's how easy was that!All the faff I had getting the engine out the super dream!O/H there being panto horse rear end,is very jealous having spent 2 days trying to get his engine out/in.
So,the damage....
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Well, this is where the UJ went, and it HAS completely smashed the swing-arm pivot off the gearbox as well as the out-put shaft tunnel. There's no way this could have really been built back up with aluminium weld.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3762_zpsc26a07cc.jpg)
Swing Arm, off.
UJ's taken a pretty big chunk out of it, BUT. The main side sections of the arm and the webbings in the brace are undamaged. It's only taken out the bottom of the shaft tube. If I really struggle to find a replacement swing-arm, this might be repairable with ali-weld.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3886_zps1fe3ee02.jpg)
What was that? It's Peed on me!
Hmm... well THAT hole in the gearbox wasn't made by the Universal joint 'going'!
That looks more like some-one has tried levering the end-casing off without undoing something!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3894_zpsc6f07150.jpg)
So gear-box now off,ready to be rebuilt with new casing.
Question:The bikes done 24000 miles. looks like its never been split open since it left the factory.going by all this black dust;
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Full Blogs on both my project can be read here
http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=199042&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
First Project
http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=288977
Second Project
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1st of may after work
Cogs & Dogs
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Well, the Swing-arm turned up on time. But, need to sort this cog-box out.
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According to the book, box comes apart from the front; and first job, that big nut has to come off.
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The broken end of the UJ and a broken socket extension makes a convenient shaft locking tool, with the box in first.
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That nut be BIG! 36mm... well TEF tells me that's VERY big! He doesn't have ANYTHING so huge!
And to get over the end of the shaft I needed a 'deep' socket.
Luckily some people have bigger tools than Tef... and Nick sorted me out with something better fitting!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3933_zpsea83aa25.jpg)
Nuts off; time to get screwed... sorry, get the screws OUT!
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Quick Smack
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Bell-Housing off.
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Next nut's not so big; but THIS is why previous owner mechanic broke the end casing.
This shaft holds the two casings together; held in by that nut, and a retaining plate on the end casing.
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There you go, the nut off. Who called this the 'Stubborn two-ton torque nut of doom?" Oh, that's right, every-one who has tried taking a Moto-Guzzi Gearbox to bits!
Pah! I dont know what they were sewating over... Took me all of ten minutes!
I just took it round the corner to local engine reconditioners and got THEM to do it :-)
Thank-You cylinder Rebores, Nuneaton!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3946_zps6c397758.jpg)
Main casing then lifts off, leaving ALL the shafts in the end casing. SCARY!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3951_zps50133d81.jpg)
See, these are the retaining plates, once these are undone...
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The gear-shafts and selector mechanism can be pulled out of the end casing.
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You're making it look simple! Keep up the good work and stay in touch.
Good luck with the project,
Peter
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Hi there,Im Donna,and I'm living in the UK
Well after looking bidding and losing for so long I have finally got a Guzzi.
But he's poorly...
Donna
Now there's an understatement! You are far braver that I would ever be for such an undertaking. Thanks for the outstanding photos documenting your journey into the dark places only an unfortunate few of us will ever have to see.
Please keep us posted with more as your restoration proceeds.
'Geezer
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looks like a lot of fun...thanks for the pics...good luck ;-T
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Welcome to the Guzzi world and more specifically welcome to the small block world.
An article you may find useful:
http://guzzista.wikifoundry.com/page/Older+Small+Block+Issues%3F (http://guzzista.wikifoundry.com/page/Older+Small+Block+Issues%3F)
Lots of small block parts in the UK.
There is a steel bush that can fit inside of the output casting to protect from the carnage your bike has. TLM sell them. I purchased one but it didn't fit so I made up my own. PM me if interested and I'll send you the dimensions. I'm sure they are here somewhere.
Looks like you are comfortable with the mechanical side of things. Once sorted they are a reliable and sturdy ride. I have a number of friends in the UK with Guzzis. Don't overlook the V-Twin Rally down in Fordingbridge in summer.
A picture of my Monza with a couple of other Italian twins:
(http://image.wikifoundry.com/image/1/cykCMYPs8-VsOInk43oWyg612109)
Enjoy.
Rod in Oz.
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What is it about a spanner wielding bird ?! ;-T Good job ST , or as we might say here in the colonies ,"you go girl" :)
Dusty
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Congratulation and welcome on board Donna.
You ARE a brave one. Keep us updated on your bike. That is a major project!
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Congratulation and welcome on board Donna.
You ARE a brave one. Keep us updated on your bike. That is a major project!
:+1 -- brave and fearless !
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How's that for a first post, I like you already ;-T
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Mo beta pictures. You have really got a huge job ahead, not just the work but just finding all the parts.
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Mo beta pictures. You have really got a huge job ahead, not just the work but just finding all the parts.
Well Ive got all the parts all from Gutsibits,they have been very helpful,just need my weekend off now
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Very nice sequence of pictures! ;-T
Salute!
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Welcome to the gaggle!
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Impressive! ;-T
I have had the box in the Breva apart twice for various reasons. You were very fortunate to just be able to undo the screws holding the bearing retainers. Luigi might not have had any grease around when mine was built but he had s**tloads of Loctite! ::)
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We have GOT to come up with an award for bravery!! :bow
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We have GOT to come up with an award for bravery!! :bow
Agreed! I consider myself reasonably proficient with a wrench but I don't think I'd have taken that "project" on. Lots of "love" needed but WOW, I'm impressed. In a few days this thing will probably be on the road.
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The perfect woman I'd say.
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JG
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How's that for a first post, I like you already ;-T
ditto ;D
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While its apart check 5th gear carefully for wear all smallblocks have a liking for trashing 5th if insufficient oil is used in the box. At some point, I can't remember when, the factory designed a shroud that helped guide oil up to 5th. If your box doesn't have one its worth installing it. Its also worth junking the useless acorn breather on the top of the box. If you add a full litre of oil which will help prevent problems with fifth gear it will spew out of the breather and form a disgusting pool in the webs on top of the box. Installing a small pipe type breather with a length of hose on Nd running it up under the tank, blocking the end of it with a ball bearing and cutting a small slit in the pipe just below the ballot allow it to breathe does away with the crappy breather without the risk of getting the oil lake on the top of the box.
With the better pics I'm seeing its a 2 valve motor, that's good but it still might be worth flinging a set of valves at the heads as older smallblocks do have a tendency to shed valve heads especially if the top end has been allowed to get dirty. Not such a problem with 350's but it can still happen.
Pete
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Wat Pete said about the breather, and being sure to fill the transmission. I did the breather mod, and made a steel sleeve for the transmission among other things. Do a search for Lario rehab on WG, and it may give you some ideas.
You get an Attagirl! ;-T Welcome to WG..
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You Rock Donna!!!
That did look like some nasty damage but small blocks are TONS of fun to ride so keep up the good work.
DM
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One lucky goose I say ;D
I wouldn't be game to attack that project.
Way to go Donna ;-T
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Well Ive got all the parts all from Gutsibits,they have been very helpful,just need my weekend off now
Knew Gutsibits did second hand but did not realise it was extensive.
Donna looks like your a dab hand on Guzzi's. ;-T
Rob
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Hi ST
Not sure if you've got everything in hand baut just saw this if you get stuck ;-T
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTO-GUZZI-SMALLBLOCK-GEARBOX-V-35-V50-V65-V75-/281328333482?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120
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Hi ST
Not sure if you've got everything in hand baut just saw this if you get stuck ;-T
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTO-GUZZI-SMALLBLOCK-GEARBOX-V-35-V50-V65-V75-/281328333482?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120
Donna that has to be a good deal even if what's inside is ....
:)
Rob
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Very impressive, keep up the good work,
John
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Glad to see you're making such quick progress. You'll have it on the road in no time. ;-T
John Henry
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That's it MY weekend off at last.
Well I have come across a Snag...I have took the clips off the UJ so I could grease inside it but cant get the disc's out any suggestions?
Anyone done it?... have tried a smaller socket onto the disc and hit it with a hammer but they aren't budging
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6 or 8" "C" clamp with sockets as press tooling? Larger on one side, smaller on the other?
Peter
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A press would be best but I have used a vise. Small socket to push and a large one on the other side. The trick is to keep the joint body from flexing. The item is line bored to ensure exact alignment.
Cheers
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ditto ;D
And again.
Every once in a while someone comes along and makes their place immediately. Impressive introduction, I'll be watching for updates. I'll second what Roper said about the lube shield that came along later in the small block transmissions. And the breather. I had a Monza for a while and it liked to drool all over itself if I filled the trans sufficiently. Dave Richardson's Guzziology has information on when the 5th gear lube shield was introduced. I don't remember when either.
;-T ;-T
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I don't know how familiar you are with u-joints, so I'll assume no experience.
The u-joint 'discs' are not discs. They are cups. The cup inner side wall is covered in a layer of pin rollers. The cross of the u-joint inserts into the cup/pin rollers.
To remove, first get all the clips out. Then check for peens around the margins of the cup. If there are any peens or burrs, dress them out with a dremel.
Now set a larger socket than the cup against a cup. Use a socket just smaller than the cup on the other side as a press bar.
Set the entire mess into a vise or press and apply pressure. Once the pressure is firm (but well before distorting anything) pop the press base or vice jaw a smart blow with a ballpeen hammer. Readjust pressure. Pop it again. etc. Until the cups have moved enough for the u-joint's cross to contact the side of the yoke.
Remove the stuff from the vice. If you're lucky, the cap will fall out, the pin rollers will stay in place, and the seals at the lip of the cap will be soft and vital.
If you're not lucky, any kind of shit can happen -- cap breaks (it's VERY brittle), cap is still seized in the yoke, pin rollers scatter across the floor (or worse -- bits of pin rollers scatter across the floor), seals are hard, cracked, broken, etc. Not discussing any of that in this post.
Assuming the cap is well behaved, once you get it moved enough to grab with pliars, it should be a twist-and-pull to remove. Again, WATCH FOR PIN ROLLERS!!!
With the first cap off, the second can be removed by drifting the yoke the opposite direction. Before doing the drift, check the bore and dremel out any burrs or peens.
If you are forced to use heat to relax the yoke bores, you will probably cook the grease seals. So be prepared to replace them. If there are a lot of hot miles on the drive shaft you might have to replace the seals anyway.
You can avoid all of this if you drill out the cap ends and tap them for a zirc fitting. Depending on the cross design (if it has a bore through the axis of the crosses) you might only have to drill one cap. If the cross is cross-bored and you can get to the intersection of the bores, you can do a single drill at that point. There's no room for a zirc fitting in the assembly, so only install the zirc for servicing. For assembly, use a zirc hole plug.
Once you have the crosses out, look for any excuse to not reassemble the u-joint. Notched crosses or caps, ground up rollers, clunky slop, etc. all indicate tossing the crosses (they're available separately). Out-of-round yoke bores or out-of-square/worn shaft splines indicate tossing the yoke (not available separately -- if this happens you're probably buying the entire assembly). It's much better to sort this out on the bench than beside the AlCan. Ask me how I know. ;)
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6 or 8" "C" clamp with sockets as press tooling? Larger on one side, smaller on the other?
Peter
Well I tried this and now need to buy 2 new clamps oops :o
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and only got a quarter out
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Better go with a vise. ;D If you *have* to use C clamps, buy really good ones. You'll be glad you did.
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Better go with a vise. ;D If you *have* to use C clamps, buy really good ones. You'll be glad you did.
Going to buy a vice today,also go and get the oil seal........but I ache this morning have dug out all the bushes and trees out the front garden yesterday after work.............as fed up of the other halves forest.........just got to dig it over and level......but its been raining over night so might play with bike bits today instead......... that's my excuse ;-T
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Makes sense to wash your bike when it rains ;D
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Makes sense to wash your bike when it rains ;D
Cant wash it got to rebuild it first
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Hang in there. ;-T
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It was my week-end off, and I wanted to put the box back together. I've been waiting on a new out-put shaft seal... it arrived yesterday. that's why I was looking at the Universal Joint... which will have come from a bike at least as old as mine, and if it went 'dry' in mine making it seize and smash everything, I want to make sure this one wont do the same.
Breaking Tef's clamps though, has halted that until I get a vice.
So, I made the gaskets for the box.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3994_zps359d7643.jpg)
Nice fresh new gasket paper, and a sharp craft knife, and....
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3998_zpsf2375cf7.jpg)
Then shortly after that...
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Fitted the new seal to the new casing.
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Time to get the box back together!
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Lining up all the shafts....you have to put them all in at the same time
But for some reason, it doesn't seem to want to line up properly."TEF"
Twenty minutes of swearing later, I found out why!
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New Casing, input-shaft end bearing diameter...... 41.9mm
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Old Casing, input shaft end bearing diameter....... 39.9mm
SO, Stumped AGAIN!
Have emailed Gutsibits for either a bigger bearing or different case
And it was going Oh So well :o
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Wot a Beatch >:(
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Great work! ;-T
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So, I made the gaskets for the box.
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Nice fresh new gasket paper, and a sharp craft knife, and....
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_3998_zpsf2375cf7.jpg)
Then shortly after that...
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Donna great to see someone making gaskets the old fashioned way.
You might get a cleaner job if you tap round the external and internal face edges with a wooden mallet or something soft enough not to damage the face edges.
After taking the marked gasket paper off the to be sealed part. Cut out with sharp scissors.
:)
Rob
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Now, *that* is really strange.. ??? I wonder why they would have gone to a different size bearing..
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Probably because the earlier bearing was specified because it was what was thought was required in engineering terms rather than being cross referenced with something 'Off the shelf'. It would be interesting to see if the earlier bearing is a standard ISO size or not.
It could also be that the early smallblocks were 350's and 500's. Perhaps when they introduced the 650's they beefed up the bearing? At this distance in time we'll probably never know but it is useful to know.
Thanks.
Pete
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Probably because the earlier bearing was specified because it was what was thought was required in engineering terms rather than being cross referenced with something 'Off the shelf'. It would be interesting to see if the earlier bearing is a standard ISO size or not.
It could also be that the early smallblocks were 350's and 500's. Perhaps when they introduced the 650's they beefed up the bearing? At this distance in time we'll probably never know but it is useful to know.
Thanks.
Pete
Pete, when Kev and I first attacked my gearbox we thought we were all prepared coz he had a clutch tool. Found that the input shaft on the Monza box was way smaller than the Breva, and the clutch tool was way too small. You know the rest of the story. :D They obviously changed a few things as the years went by.
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Yup. They got better!
Pete
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Whoo-Hooo! BANK-HOLIDAY! I got a day off! where's me guzzi.. guzzi... Guzzi-Guzzi-Guzzi-G-U-Z-Z-I!
Right; well, Guzzibits came through with a new gear-box end case; SO....
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Looks like it all fits.... :-)
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NOW comes the fiddly bit... Tef insisted I couldn't just put everthing back together and bolt it all up; I HAD to do a 'Dry-Build'; putting it back together without gaskets or anything and twisting shafts by hand to make sure that all the gears worked as they should, and I'd got the mechanism all adjusted as it ought to be.
This is rather fiddly; with the output shaft hidden in that turrent in the end casing, and the shafts only supported in the end casing...
BUT, discovered that two of the gearbox mounting holes are the same distance apart as the starter motor mounting holes on the bell-housing.... soooo, two bolts and a nut to space the bosses level, I was able to bolt the gearbox end casing to the bell-housing 'wrong' and use the bell-hoising as a 'stand' while I fiddled.
Just as well, actually, cos after making sure all the gears selected, found that the selector ratched didn't engage them! I had a washer on the wrong side of the return spring!
[sigh]Yes Tef, You DID 'tell me so'! You were 'right' as ALWAYS, yes, now I know why you dry-build a gearbox! Stop gloating and take a photo!
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Next job, same again with the casing on, and the 'detent-plunger' that tef tells me is what clicks the selector drum in the 'in gear' position, in place.
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I THINK that all the gears click through....
Anyway, that's as far as I've got.
I'm worried; I have an O-Ring and Circlip left over! and I'm trying to work out where the bits that came in a box when we picked the bike up from Noobrider belong at the minute!
And I cant do very much more, as I need a shaft locking tool to put the effof tight bolts back on the end. Remember, I used the broken UJ and a drift to lock them to get them off... BUT... now I have a new casing.... I cant do that!
And Oh FFS! Its a Bank HOLIDAY! Guzzi-bits wont be open 'till Tuesday to even order the tool or, if its too expensive, do as book suggests and weld a bar to an old clutch-plate. Guzzi-Bits sell old clutch plates. Probably for this very reason, for about £6. New clutch plates are like £50! So I dont REALLY want to butcher the one I have if I can help it!
OK, what else can I do? Well, the swing-arm bearings in the new casing are rather grindy and dry... so Ah! I need a 'Blind' bearing puller. Tef dont have one. Neither does Nick-at-the-end-of-the-road.
I have ordered one of e-bay. I wonder how long it'll be 'till 'the boys' start asking to borrow MY tools!
UJ.
Brad (car mechanic across the road) has had a look at my UJ for me. He cant get the ruddy cups out so I can grease it, either.
Beginning to get a BIT frustrating this....
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Hang in there, you're almost home. ;D I have a spare clutch plate.. and.. a blind bearing puller. Just pop over here to Indiana, and I'll loan them to you. ;D :BEER:
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How big are the offending articles?
I have had the Breva box apart a couple of times ::) and I seem to remember there is a circlip between (I think) 4th and 5th.
There is a small O ring that seals the clutch rod.....
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Hang in there, you're almost home. ;D I have a spare clutch plate.. and.. a blind bearing puller. Just pop over here to Indiana, and I'll loan them to you. ;D :BEER:
I would love too but I think it would cost more coming to fetch them than getting them from ebay and Guzzibits,have been wanting to go to the old south for nearly 20 years,might get there one day
How big are the offending articles?
I have had the Breva box apart a couple of times ::) and I seem to remember there is a circlip between (I think) 4th and 5th.
There is a small O ring that seals the clutch rod.....
I have not split the gogs from the shafts so cant be from there,I have the manuals but thery are so confusing to find part when the pictures and part names are pages apart,Wonders if someone has just put them in my tub to confuse me and they arent from the guzzi.....Tef
Right the O-ring is 26mm id and about 2mm thick
the circlip we have id as it came off the old UJ when we used it as a locking tool
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Try here. Parts number and names are one same page.
http://www.harpermoto.com/
For example.
http://www.harpermoto.com/parts-by-motorcycle/1980-90-moto-guzzi-motorcycles/v-65-custom-650-1982-1985/gear-box-en-v65-custom-650-1982-1985.html
:BEER:
Matt
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Not the O ring that goes around the body of the clutch bearing that sits at the back of the box?
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Try here. Parts number and names are one same page.
http://www.harpermoto.com/
For example.
http://www.harpermoto.com/parts-by-motorcycle/1980-90-moto-guzzi-motorcycles/v-65-custom-650-1982-1985/gear-box-en-v65-custom-650-1982-1985.html
:BEER:
Matt
thanks for that i think i might have found it.....
and Its also giving me the part numbers for my bike :bow
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Not the O ring that goes around the body of the clutch bearing that sits at the back of the box?
thats the one it is,found it through the harpers parts list.so hopefully I can rebuilt it properly tomorrow then jusdt have to wait for my blind bearing puller and ring guzzibits for a shaft input tool,then it should not take long to put back together and in 1 piece........just hope i can find where all the parts that were in the box came from that the mechanic took off when previous owner had it....
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Typical. I have a whole week off work, and I spend it all waiting for stuff; then it all comes on the same day! So where was I? And how much can I get done before I have to go back to work tomorrow?
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4122_zpsf7bdc2f8.jpg)
Used Clutch-Plate from Guzzi-Bits; £6. With a bit of luck, Tef can make me a shaft holding tool out of this.... more waiting!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4063_zps47b3f9bb.jpg)
Blind Bearing puller. It looks like it was made by a bored YTS kid in metalwork! and it didn't go in the hole! Bludy cheapo Chinky e-bay tools! BUT, tef took a dremel to it, ground the petals a bit thinner and more even, and took a little metal off the lip so it went in the end case.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4064_zps559bd86e.jpg)
and I tried it out on the swing-arm bearing in the old gearbox
So, that works, lets do the real one.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4079_zps983cdec6.jpg)
Bash in the extractor..
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4083_zpscea7ed61.jpg)
Attach the other bits, and BASH!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4087_zps940d2638.jpg)
Here it comes..
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4088_zps485c0cf2.jpg)
and out it is.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4091_zps76874095.jpg)
Other side.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4096_zps4b64952a.jpg)
And out it comes.
I Like this tool!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4100_zps0e42e4ac.jpg)
New swing-arm bearings
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4099_zps715480a0.jpg)
clean holes for Swing-Arm bearings
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4101_zps2d00aae5.jpg)
Press it in
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4104_zpsc3935bf3.jpg)
Drift it in
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4107_zps1923e895.jpg)
Tap it home.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4108_zpsc953f6cf.jpg)
One down, do the other.
SO, what we got next? Mysteriouse circlip and O-Ring.
Yes. Well after looking at all the holes and shafts and not having a clue where the thing could have come from; Tef picked up the remains of the old UJ we'd used to lock the out-put shaft... "Err.. I think it might have come out of here" he admitted..."When I took the bearing cap out so you could put a drift through the hole to lock the shaft" Cheers Tef, could have thought of that earlier!
O-Ring... after much head scratching and looking at many drawings in the book and on the web and looking at ALL the photo's we took when I toook it apart... think it goes on the input shaft, in a rebate on a collar under the big nut. SO... I THINK I can take the box apart A-Gain.. put gaskets in and do it up propperly.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4117_zps573db406.jpg)
In with the screws and.. torque them all down to 10Nm, with the low range torque wrench. Tef's trying to get me into 'good' habbits. I'm heavy handed, and this is supposed to make sure I dont strip little screws.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4121_zps76f28c07.jpg)
And that's about it. I cant put the bell-housing on until Tef has made that shaft holding tool from the old clutch plate. NOT sure how that is going to happen; he says he has an idea that involves an old 21mm socket and his stick-welder.
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Engrossing ;-T
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Snowtigeress: I am near-speechless with awe and admiration. The term "Indomitable" was coined for you. Please continue to update us and include photos--or we'd never believe it!!
Ralph
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What a great thread!!!
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"I'm a little heavy-handed..." ;D
That's OK - you sure do one HELL of a job with a total tear down and rectifying some previous dumb-asses screw ups!!
DM
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I could never work on a transmission in a white t shirt with horses on it.. ;D :BEER: but they say that good mechanics don't get dirty.
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I'm following this one!
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Hello, in the UK I'd also check availability and prices of parts from motomeccaspares.com in Dorset. I had good experience shopping with them so far.
Thanks for updating here with the rebuild.
Dan
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Can Snowtigress pop over here and do a clutch for YCRN? I think she is the chick for the trick clutch repair!!!
Snowtigress: :bow
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Snowtigress,
I see pots and pans and kitchen sink in the back round. Maybe eve some bags of food hanging on the wall.
Are you doing this rebuild in your kitchen? Just askin?? ;-T :food
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Snowtigress,
I see pots and pans and kitchen sink in the back round. Maybe eve some bags of food hanging on the wall.
Are you doing this rebuild in your kitchen? Just askin?? ;-T :food
Some of it is in my boyfriends kitchen when the weathers bad
My first project started outside but then winter so it ended up behind boyfriends sofa
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/painting%20bits/imag0830.jpg)
drying bits by the cooker
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Brakes/imag0817.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Brakes/imag1042.jpg)
rebuilding the brakes at the dinning table
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/fixing%20stuff/imag1172.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/fixing%20stuff/imag1306.jpg)
making new speedo and taco needles
(http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/clocks%20and%20switches/imag1598.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/clocks%20and%20switches/imag1663.jpg)
detailing newly painted switch cases
(http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/clocks%20and%20switches/imag1576.jpg)
(http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/clocks%20and%20switches/imag1592.jpg)
Customising the clocks
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/odds%20and%20sods/Bike293.jpg)
whole bike then moved in
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Lights%20and%20wiring/104_0028.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Lights%20and%20wiring/104_0030.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Lights%20and%20wiring/104_0115.jpg)
as was wiggly time
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Lights%20and%20wiring/imag1827.jpg)
nearly finished with wiring
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Decals/DecalsforRedBikesV01.gif)
sorting out decals to be made up
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/the%20pup/104_0357.jpg)
nearly completed
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/plastics%20and%20tank/imag2022.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/plastics%20and%20tank/imag2021.jpg)
detailing side panels
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Decals/100_0538.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Decals/100_0540.jpg)
tank
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/plastics%20and%20tank/imag0946.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/plastics%20and%20tank/imag1635.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Decals/100_0567.jpg)
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(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Decals/100_0591.jpg)
Wheels were powdercoated
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/wheels/104_0352.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/wheels/imag1895.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/wheels/104_0362.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/wheels/104_0397.jpg)
decided I could not find a helmet I liked so customed my old lid
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Custom%20Helmet/101_0002.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Custom%20Helmet/101_0006.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Custom%20Helmet/101_0009.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Custom%20Helmet/101_0025.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Custom%20Helmet/101_0036.jpg)
now a matching set
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/the%20pup/101_0043.jpg)
went out for a ride with the boyfriend and spotted my next bike
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Ok i didn't gert the v50 I went bigger
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Making an Input Shaft Holding Tool[/u]
OK, well, we started with this:-
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4122_zpsf7bdc2f8.jpg)
£6 Used Clutch plate from Gutsibits. Then Tef got ME to drill out the rivets.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4259_zps857f6bfe.jpg)
Rivets removed; the middle popped out
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4263_zpsda9f84e1.jpg)
And after knocking the springs out, that left the splined hub.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4264_zps5907685c.jpg)
Now we needed a handle....
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4266_zps1117452e.jpg)
I just happened to find these knocking around.. I think they might have come off a Honda CB125.. ;-) So over to Tef and the big arcy-box!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4267_zps6fad56ba.jpg)
He drileld a couple of holes and used big washers to bolt through the spring gaps; then splattered weld all over it!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4268_zpsa6b46669.jpg)
Then tried it on the input shaft...needs a bit if grinding so we can get a socket past it!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4272_zps2df9bc63.jpg)
The finished tool, in operation, torquing the two-ton nut of doom to 100Nm!
Now the bell-housing can go back on...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4280_zps5887a299.jpg)
Y-E-S... there IS a bell-housing in that picture.....
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4283_zpscf42f3a7.jpg)
JUST got to find/buy some screws! and we might be a bit close to making this thing look like a motorbike again... when work give me another day off... maybe!
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These photos go to the Moto Guzzi hall of fame. No polished aluminium fuel tank cafe racer, concours restoration, Cycle Garden photos go near.
Good job.
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Like the work being done. ;-T
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Some of it is in my boyfriends kitchen when the weathers bad
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/painting%20bits/imag0830.jpg)
drying bits by the cooker
Yes, this is why am waiting till after the wimbledon wet season before I start the the respray of tank, side boxes, tail light and dash.
Hopefully it will be drier and warmer for quicker, more reliable drying times.
:)
Rob
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This is, like, one of the most amazing Guzzi mechanical efforts I've seen. The combination of practical work and beautiful photos are unprecedented in my experience.
It's making me feel REALLY guilty for my lazy butt leaving all sorts of unfinished business in my own shop .... !
Lannis
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go, Snowtigress, go!...
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Add me to the list of admirers...
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I didn't quite get it.
Show me ONE more time how that bell housing goes on???? ;)
Lannis (make note - Mike Tiberio, admirer number 72)
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Right Weekend off again......
Gearbox reassembled just got to tighten the main nut on the bellhousing.....
Trying to find the shaft locking tool or even make something that would do the job
any tips?
I used the broken UJ to hold it on the old gearbox case but thats because it had a huge hole
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Can you fabricate a holding tool from the old drive shaft?
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We cut the centre out from an old clutch plate and welded a blinkin great piece of steel on it. Actually, that is not quite correct. We welded a small piece of flat steel on it and then bolted a much larger piece on to it, just in case it needs to be sent to Oz or something.
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Here's where I've got to.
The shaft holding tool let me tighten up the nut of doom so I could put the bell-housing back on, and put the gearbox back together. But I couldn't do up the input shaft nut. The shaft holding tool would have held the shaft, but I wouldn't have been able to put the socket over the top to do it up; so the shaft had to be locked from the other end of the gearbox... which was how we got it undone; except we now have the turret on the end of the gearbox stopping me hold the shaft with anything, but a new shaft.
So; time to build up the back end, so I can lock the box with the back wheel.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4292_zps00ecf6d3.jpg)
Bevel Box coming off the old swing arm.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4297_zps18628c68.jpg)
Lots of debris left in there!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4305_zpsd7296d36.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4306_zps5d6af67c.jpg)
Bevel box bolted on new swing arm.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4309_zps77ae0743.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4335_zps85e9ac0d.jpg)
Bit of chain? grease on the new shaft...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4336_zps4a376f76.jpg)
And fit it to the back of the box.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4338_zps8a829b31.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4339_zps4fb917a2.jpg)
Bit more on the coupling and splines...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4343_zps21d95113.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4348_zpsb27285e5.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4349_zps17fd42b7.jpg)
A-N-D this is where it went wrong... the rubber boot ought to be clipped inside the shaft tunnel on the swing arm with a spring clip, THEN clamped round the gearbox turret when the swing-arm is fitted. But I had no spring-clip. It didn't come with the rubber boot... and, the picture in the book, shows a totally different boot, used on the V50! so how was I to know!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4354_zps0c2cbbbe.jpg)
anyway, worry about that later, go with what we got.
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(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4363_zps3adf2945.jpg)
Swing-arm on, and peg in place... you may notice, I had to take the bevel-box back off!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4364_zpsd37d5d3b.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4365_zps4a4816d4.jpg)
Observe the peg... that little bugger has come back to haunt me!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4368_zpsb7ed7691.jpg)
Coupling back on...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4369_zpscbbcf257.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4371_zps61c3ae43.jpg)
Bevel box back on... again...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4373_zps920c0ae9.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DS2_4365_zps804c3ac0.jpg)
Back wheel 'in'
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And the transmission can go back under the bike, so I can use the back brake to lock the shafts to do up the input shaft nut.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DS2_4370_zps728fcb25.jpg)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4375_zps22680dad.jpg)
So back brake re-fitted...
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4377_zps0ffdca67.jpg)
AND... with a peg spanner on the brake lever, and a couple of pieces of wood through the wheels and swing arm... the input shaft nut can FINALLY be tightened up!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4378_zps23a79062.jpg)
Before I take it all apart... A-Gain! Cos I need to get the swing arm off to fit that ruddy gaiter clip!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4379_zps7174386c.jpg)
Except, remember that peg? well IT decided it didn't want to play ball...
It only went in the day before, and grease was applied to the threads when it went in... NOW it dont want to come out... it was hit with an impact driver, and budged 1/8th of a turn, before it decided to round out!
An old 8mm hex socket was ground to take a packing pin to try and force it to grip... but that rounded too... so we slotted it with drill and dremmel, and tried using the handle of the pin wrench in the slot.... it just bent! This little bugger do NOT want to budge! So... err... well, what else can I do whilst Tef ponders this one?
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4380_zps0593d5a8.jpg)
I know... bolt the engine on!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4381_zps451ab687.jpg)
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There we go... err... and that's about it. DID look a bit more bike like... briefly... but then I had to take it to bits again!
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So looking for 'stuff' to do, I pondered the rusty exhausts.
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And atacked the red-stuff it with wet & dry
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Chrome has completely 'gone' on the back of the silencer, and the metal beneath is badly pitted, but seems thick; so hopefully a bit of heat-proof paint will eek a bit more life out of them.
And that's 'progress' since my last week-end off work.
- The gearbox is now rebuilt, and attached to the engine - note to self; must torque engine bolts.
- Swing Arm peg needs 'sorting', a new peg may be required if it wont come quietly!
- A gaiter spring clip is needed to fit the UJ boot 'properly' Need to try and source that; guzi-bits list it as 'unavailable'.
- Second silencer needs sanding; both need painting. Note to self - order exhaust gaskets.
- brake pads were observed to be rather very 'thin' when caliper refitted; Note to Self; check prices and pennies add to shopping list
- Next Job; attach engine rails and bracketry to transmission; re-fit to bike. THINK I can do that without the swing-arm.. and get it all back in 'sort' of one piece. In fact, might be able to leave UJ gaiter and swing arm peg 'as is' to get it all back together, and then sort those after, if I put the bevel box back on YET again, tempererily!
So SORT of getting there... slowly... when work gives me time off, and I do actually spend it doing stuff twice or thrice over! what the heck... Only June... still got ten weeks till my licence restriction lapses anyway!
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Glad to see you're making progress. You really have picked quite a job to tackle but it looks like you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Once you get it on the road, it will be all the more special because all of the work you have put into it. :bow
John Henry
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Well, fortunately, it looks like you have a spare swing arm because it looks to me like the one you are using is toast. The threads are Shirley ;D buggered beyond use..
I wouldn't be terribly concerned about the spring for the u joint boot, the boot is pretty well trapped between the back of the transmission and swing arm. Stiff upper lip, and all that... ;D
Edit.. from page 3 of the Lario rehab thread..
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The swingarm is alloy, the stub axle is steel. This is where heat will be your friend. You may end up toasting the boot and you'll need a new stub axle but of you stuff a LOT of heat into the area around the stub axle and then grab hold of it with something big and brutal you will probably be able to get it out. Then run a tap through the threads from the inside out and, touch wood, you'll save it.
Pete
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Well, fortunately, it looks like you have a spare swing arm because it looks to me like the one you are using is toast. The threads are Shirley ;D buggered beyond use..
I had to buy a new swinging arm as when I brought it,the uj had shattered the old swing arm
[quote author=Chuck in IndianaI wouldn't be terribly concerned about the spring for the u joint boot, the boot is pretty well trapped between the back of the transmission and swing arm. Stiff upper lip, and all that... ;D
Edit.. from page 3 of the Lario rehab thread..
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That pic has the clip in place thats why its tight,mine was flapping all over the place,but managed to get the clip and now its not moving
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WORK! Small progress since my last week-end off; work have been taking the piss. I went into the office last Monday , they moaned I was 'signing out' manually, not on my 'phone. I told them I couldn't sign out on my phone as it wasn't charging.. so some-one tested it and called me a liar... I asked how long it should take to charge, "About eight hours!" they said. Hmm, so give me EIGHT f***ing hours between rounds to charge the fucker! Maybe even get some SLEEP!.. not that they dont listen, but some-one said "Cant you charge it from a cigarette lighter?"... I actually felt like getting my zippo out, and setting fire to the phone infront of them then saying "Nope! That dont seem to work either!" TWATS! So, where we got with the Guzzi?
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Swing-Arm peg, Jammed in the threads not winding in nor out, when we discovered I had to take it off again to fit missing gaiter clip! This needed to be removed. The allen key it should have come out with, failed. The hex rounding. Tef ground some slots into an old allen socket so we could hammer a nail into the crack to try and make it grip... that failed; so we slotted it and tried a tyre lever.
This little bugga would not b-u-d-g-e... so working with wot-I-got....
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Boring fiddly little bits; cleaning up the threads on all the engine bolts....
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And put the lower-frame rails back on.
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And hook up the gear-linkage..
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On the stand and a jack..
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And, then drop the bike back on top!
Ugh! Now I HAVE to do something with that ruddy swing-arm peg. So, what can we do?
Well, Tef said 'more brute force'... this failed. Heat had been suggested... Oh-Kay...
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Hot-air paint stripper... Look, if we had oxy-ascetalene, this bike would be lava by now!
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So heat AND brute force, then, and... grrrrr! effin thing!
Te-eh-FH!
He pondered the problem for a couple of days, and after leaving him in the back-yard with an old metal fence post and a grinder... I came home to find he had made a 'tool' and was moaning about 'purchase'. I left him rummaging in the old socket box, and he came up with a new 'tool', which aparently had more 'purchase'... Lets see how that worked out shall we?
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Yeah! With and without heat... Tef's neat little socket, selected to fit snugly over the peg, carefully drilled to take an old allen key, everything ground carefully for this 'purchase' he reckoned we needed...
So, running out of suggestions... time to get brutal...
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Drill, and Dremel, and a lot of little dremmel stones... Tef did warn me...
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And hollowing out enough metal, and applying enough brute force to it after....
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Ha! Take that Stubborn Pag! You LOOOSE! Why did you insist we do it the hard way?
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So, swing arm off, and 'just' the small worry of whether there are any threads left in it! PHEW. I have to admit I was worried I might have been a little heavy handed, but no. all good.
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I had offer of a tap to clean the threads if they were a little damaged, but carefully winding new peg in from the back, then back and forth all good!
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SO! can put that stupid little clip in the boot!
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AND try and put it all back together again!
And THAT is sum total of another weekend off.... but having 'rebelled' in the office last week, for some strange reason, they have taken half my shifts off me... so I might have some more time to get something done in the week... even though I probably wont have any money to put petrol in it when its working again! Zero-f***ing-hour-contracts = indentured labour = re-legalised slavery, I reckon! Some-one, ANY-ONE! Give me a REAL job, you know, with like, time off, holidays, and 'pay' that's actually more than the rent!
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Can-do? I'll say! :pop
Cheers,
Shaun
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Can't wait to see this thing running! Talk about dedication!
Great job!
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Consider making a set of "how-to" videos and selling them. You are born to it.
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Just had to read every post in this. When I saw the hammer I knew you were into this but good. If only MG made the service manuals as clear.
Hats off.
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Can't wait to see this thing running! Talk about dedication!
Great job!
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here you go
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204279123568393&l=6889100960731378304
Finished him off this morning
just got some niggling to sort out
My other half being crash test dummy
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Consider making a set of "how-to" videos and selling them. You are born to it.
There have been many good "How To" photo essays on here over the years, including jobs like Stelvio swing-arm removals. This is on par with ANY of them in terms of technical goodness and clarity. And it exceeds them in artistic content and motivational goodness ..... !
Thanks!!
Don't forget, Facebook isn't available to a lot of us ... we'd hate to miss anything ....
Lannis
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was trying to edit the video....cut some bits out but cant find the software :(
Im now uploading to YOutube
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Nice job!
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[url][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHDyZL8VmI&feature=youtu.be/url]
ok try this
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Finished him off this morning
just got some niggling to sort out
Well that was quick! Great stuff.
Enjoy the ride, and thanks for the great read!
Looking forward to the next project :-). What'll it be?
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YOU GOT IT RUNNING! YOU GOT IT RUNNING!
San Diego salutes you. What can I send you as a congratulatory award? A gallon of petrol?
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[url][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHDyZL8VmI&feature=youtu.be/url]
ok try this
Nope, didn't work for me. On a hunch, I tried searching for snowtigress, but ended up with some girl getting her 45th piercing in a.... oh, never mind. ;D
Attagirl! Anyway.. ;D
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Nope, didn't work for me. On a hunch, I tried searching for snowtigress, but ended up with some girl getting her 45th piercing in a.... oh, never mind. ;D
Attagirl! Anyway.. ;D
try this chuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHDyZL8VmI&feature=youtu.be/
cut & paste in your browser
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Nope, didn't work for me. On a hunch, I tried searching for snowtigress, but ended up with some girl getting her 45th piercing in a.... oh, never mind. ;D
Attagirl! Anyway.. ;D
Come clean Chuck , how much of the "Oh never mind" getting pierced video did you watch ? :D
Great work Tiggy , we are ALL impressed ;-T Love the bare feet .
Dusty
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Congratulations on a job well done! :BEER:
John Henry
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A thing that has impressed me through out all this is that a great deal of the work was done outside! Frankly I would have found that, well, onerous. I think that at the very least I would have tried to get hold of a large tent. Perhaps it doesn't rain in England as much as reputed.
In any case, well done Tigger. I imagine there a few jobs to do on it yet, (like de-rusting that front disk) but well done. It runs!
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well on Sunday I followed Mike on weeble to the biggest car park and had a potter on him oh it was cool even though i looked and was acted like a noob again (http://smileys/smiley9.gif" align="middle) .. pics to follow later as they are on film....
Everyone makes it sound so easy stepping up to a bigger bike...But i have ridden for so long on a likkle one that I got worried,even though 18 years ago the first bike I rode was a cbr600,must be me age more worried then when i was in my 20's
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Great to hear that it is up and running.
Talk about over and beyond the call of duty! Hats off. ;-T
That effort deserves a :BEER:
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This thread is just too good (and useful for 750 owners) to let it moulder away on Page 99 or whatever depth it had sunk to.
Therefore this is a **BUMP* to kick it to the top again.
Such excellent pictures and heroic effort from this plucky Brit are not to be cast into the dustbin.
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No question that this is an excellent thread and I for one look forward to some video. I am sorry Snowtigress but I do not understand "English". In fact I often used closed captions watching British films. ;D ;D . In the meantime maybe someone can translate the following sentence.
"I followed Mike on weeble to the biggest car park and had a potter on him oh it was cool even though i looked and was acted like a noob again".
What is a "weeble" and what does it mean that you "had a potter on him" and you acted like a "noob"?
Sorry but like I said use subtitles when watching Brits movies and even then I do not always understand what I am reading. :pop
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No question that this is an excellent thread and I for one look forward to some video. I am sorry Snowtigress but I do not understand "English". In fact I often used closed captions watching British films. ;D ;D . In the meantime maybe someone can translate the following sentence.
"I followed Mike on weeble to the biggest car park and had a potter on him oh it was cool even though i looked and was acted like a noob again".
What is a "weeble" and what does it mean that you "had a potter on him" and you acted like a "noob"?
Sorry but like I said use subtitles when watching Brits movies and even then I do not always understand what I am reading. :pop
I think weeble is a small bike. A car park is a parking lot. Had a potter on him.. rode the newly rebuilt bike. Rode and acted like a noob again.. rode like a beginner..
I think. ;D
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I think weeble is a small bike. A car park is a parking lot. Had a potter on him.. rode the newly rebuilt bike. Rode and acted like a noob again.. rode like a beginner..
I think. ;D
Well I know a car park is a parking lot. :D But I was having trouble with weeble, had a potter on him and noob.
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A slow ride over to putter (sic) around on him (the new bike) in a parking lot?
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You will of course be wearing red suspenders when you take it out on the road.
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I think weeble is a small bike. A car park is a parking lot. Had a potter on him.. rode the newly rebuilt bike. Rode and acted like a noob again.. rode like a beginner..
I think. ;D
weeble is the name I gave the Guzzi as the wobble from side to side but don't fall down
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weeble is the name I gave the Guzzi as the wobble from side to side but don't fall down
Hiya Snowtigress.. what's up? ;D Have any projects in the works? Get your small block sorted out?
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Hiya Snowtigress.. what's up? ;D Have any projects in the works? Get your small block sorted out?
Seriously. Inquiring minds need to know.
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Snowtigress,
In the wee video of that fantastic "born-again" first ride, there was a fair amount of blue smoke from the right pipe.
Comapred to what you've already come through on Weeble, sorting out an oil burning cylinder is a minor annoyance.
What a great asset to our 750 heritage.
OK: Put up a PayPal account on here and I'll send over some beer money for you and your mates! :BEER:
And if a few of the rest of us do the same, you'll have enough left over for rings, pistons, rebores & whatever.
All of you deserve it, but you in particular!
'Geezer
'Geezer