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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Blueboarhound on October 04, 2014, 09:02:38 AM
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I came across this yesterday. I have no idea how accurate it is, perhaps someone here knows. I did wonder if the 20 Dr. John editions built for the British market are lumped into the 100 built in '95. I remember talking to someone back in the late '90's at Moto Guzzi (when they were in NC.) and he was able to tell me how many Sport 1100's of each color, by year, came to the US. I wish I would have retained that information but production numbers just wasn't something I was interested in back then. Besides, I'm sure all I heard was blah, blah, blah, silver, blah, blah, blah,..... ;D
Daytona 1000
1992: 486
1993: 283
1994: 155
1995: 100
Daytona 1000 Racing
1996: 100
Daytona RS
1996: 113
1997: 195
Sport 1100
1994: 365
1995: 1,191
1996: 215
Sport 1100 IE
1997: 1,314
Sport 1100 Corsa
1998: 200
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hmm, more Daytonas made than I would have thought. We seem to have more than our far share in NZ.
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http://daytonasite.free.fr/english/daytona_website.htm (http://daytonasite.free.fr/english/daytona_website.htm)
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hmm, more Daytonas made than I would have thought. We seem to have more than our far share in NZ.
Interestingly there were more Daytona's built my model year than Sport 1100's my model year so technically speaking my Sport is rarer than my Daytona, model year wise.
The next question would be how many went to what market. I've heard 34 Daytona RS's came to the US but I've never heard how many Daytona 1000's made it here.
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http://daytonasite.free.fr/english/daytona_website.htm (http://daytonasite.free.fr/english/daytona_website.htm)
That is where I mined the info in my original post.
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I know the Daytona RS 34 imported number is correct because I called moto guzzi North America in 2000 and asked. ( I bought mine second hand and didn't really know what it was at the time). I've heard 50 is the number of 1993 monoposto Daytonas imported. I have no idea about the dual seaters.
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I wonder if those 34 RS's are still running or at least kept on a pedestal.
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great post! ;-T
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Those numbers sure are interesting - I wonder if anyone has the distribution numbers as well.
Color numbers too, I'd really like to know some of them like the total number of those beautiful blue ones. Were Daytonas ever not red.
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Blue Sport 1100s in The USA = 14 bikes in 1996.
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Hell, a mere 14? No wonder I've never seen one outside of postings here.
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I've seen two. Know of a third. Would love to have one. Can't collect them all, though...
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Probably best that I don't see one. Mine desperately needs a re-paint and I don't need the influence.
Form what I can tell though, the "value" or tone of the blue exceeds my red's value/tone... so there's always that.
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Blue Sport 1100s in The USA = 14 bikes in 1996.
As I recall they were intended for the New Zealand or Australian market and ended up here by mistake. They had one on the floor next to the silver one I bought in the spring of '97. When I saw it I couldn't help but thinking "I'd never buy a blue Guzzi". They've grown on me since.
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(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Colorado-2009-June-18-28/i-wWDZ7Sx/0/L/DSCN4808-L.jpg)
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2010-June-19-MGNOC-Arkansas/i-kXpsD5z/0/XL/DSCN6195-XL.jpg)
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Were Daytonas ever not red.
There was a black "Dr. John Edition" in 1995 for the UK market. Only twenty were built and it came with a B kit, Carrillo rods and full Termignoni exhaust.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/blueboarhound/Daytona1000DrJohn.jpg)
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There was a black "Dr. John Edition" in 1995 for the UK market. Only twenty were built and it came with a B kit, Carrillo rods and full Termignoni exhaust.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/blueboarhound/Daytona1000DrJohn.jpg)
Being one of those - not color blind - color blind fellas, I may see things a little differently from others. Hell, I know I do when it comes to contrasts and tones.
Anyhow, over the years I've come to believe that some designers deliberately or passively design a form to be best presented in a particular color. My strongest case being that most Italian moto-design was once formed to be best appreciated in one degree of red or another.
Ferrari being the best example. The one deviation our family took from the reds was a black Daytona. Stunning but somehow always lacking.
Sport 1100s only went on to cement my attitude (apologies here, remember - my appreciation differs greatly) as the silver ones looked un-painted and the yellow ones looked like customs on the showroom floor.
Add to this that there was always something about non-Sport bodied Daytonas which left me a little cold and even the Sport bodied ones tended to show the heads and induction awkwardly to me.
Here now are a couple of observations from a color hindered guy.
That black Daytona works in a surprising way for me. The lines gel, the over-highlighted mechanicals sing visually and some of the odd lines and creases are justified to a greater degree due to clarity than they are in the reds... For me.
Then, that blue Sport - man, a layer of my own personal "happy-blue" slathered in high quality over those beautiful mechanicals (thankfully no USD forks to queer the eye) just plain lifts my spirits. I actually have a mood adjustment with these value of blues. Clothes, cars, homes, whatever... I can literally feel a degree of joy from particular blues. Think about (you Northern folk) after a long winter, the first day when pretty gals are out&about in skirts and shorts - without any erotic overtones - and that feeling of happiness that "those (legs) are back!" Kinda like that.
This being the case - while I'm in a "cold dead hands" frame of mind regarding my Spot, I could in fact be one of those redundant ownership weirdos to have a blue one just to be a visual happy-pill on lesser days.
Cheers to you blue Sport owners - good call on the purchase.
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I know the Daytona RS 34 imported number is correct because I called moto guzzi North America in 2000 and asked. ( I bought mine second hand and didn't really know what it was at the time). I've heard 50 is the number of 1993 monoposto Daytonas imported. I have no idea about the dual seaters.
I've heard the 50 units figure also for the 1993 Daytona. I recall Curtis Harper throwing a figure at me once for the Daytona import numbers but I don't recall exactly what it was.
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I got the 50 number from a friend of mine who was a guzzi dealer and racer in Mesa AZ He kept #1 and #2 is owned by a member on this board.
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And about black as a color, anything can look good painted that color. It hides all of the body lines. don't believe it? here you go
(http://www.amx390.com/Art/tomscars/gremlinblack.jpg)
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And about black as a color, anything can look good painted that color. It hides all of the body lines. don't believe it? here you go
(http://www.amx390.com/Art/tomscars/gremlinblack.jpg)
Now hold on just one minute!
You take one of the high points of 1970s American automotive styling to use as an example of how black can make up for anything?!?
This vehicle, I'll have you know is a shining example of designers working within a limited budget to reduce an average seller into a "new" model while establishing a form exceeded only by AM's own Pacer in identifiability - thereby meeting the challenges of foreign and domestic competition at a price. Excluding that hideous Pinto hatch - no other direct competitor can stand out as a style icon like the Gremlin.
Smaller, lighter, better fuel mileage and easier to park than the exceptionally non-noteworthy Hornet.
Don't even get me started on that under-sung performance beast: The Gremlin X!
And you would reduce it to a worst case scenario example?
Take it back mister! We are more numerous and well located than any of you know. Gremlin fans, not unlike the aftermath of a burrito fest, we may be silent but we can be deadly.
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This vehicle, I'll have you know is a shining example of designers working within a limited budget to reduce an average seller into a "new" model while establishing a form exceeded only by.....
Sounds like words one would use to defend Guzzi..... ;D
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Okay okay I take it back ! UNCLE ! ;D BTW, I do have a soft spot for Kenoshas finest. 20 years ago I had a red and black '65 Marlin. I still miss it and one day I'll have another.
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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/blueboarhound/DrJohnedition1.jpg)
Here's one located on Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi Visitors Pics Page 114.
I have to say I do prefer the Daytona in red but I do like the carbureted Sport 1100 in black with the gold & red decals. That was a nice color combination, the decals really popped on that version.
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Either way, I wouldn't kick one out of my garage.
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Anyone know the production numbers for the 2008 sport?
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Red is far and away the best color for both, yellow sucks on anything, black is like looking at a black hole especially if black wheels are included and that blue looks like a color a kid would pick for his first model car.
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Red is far and away the best color for both, yellow sucks on anything, black is like looking at a black hole especially if black wheels are included and that blue looks like a color a kid would pick for his first model car.
(http://www.meh.ro/thumbnail/2009_10/meh.ro2787.jpg)
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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/blueboarhound/LebowskiIlikeyourstyleDude.jpg)
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The red the better:
(http://fastguzzi.nl/DSC013011024.jpg)
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OK, OK, OK, LET'S DO THIS!
Daytona 1000 red or Daytona RS red? :pop
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RS but I'm biased.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r317/blackkat-1/72347318.jpg)
Just got back from a fairly long ride. Lately the bike has been hiccuping a bit more than usual and a new tank of gas isn't solving the problem so its probably time to look at the valve clearances.
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RS red for me. Daytona 1000 red is a little more orangey.
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I'm not sure where I heard or read this but I think the '96 Daytona 1000 Racing is the same red as the RS.
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and ended up here by mistake
Gotta love em.. How could you send a container of motorcycles to the wrong country? ;D ;D
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I'm not sure where I heard or read this but I think the '96 Daytona 1000 Racing is the same red as the RS.
I think thats correct
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Gotta love em.. How could you send a container of motorcycles to the wrong country? ;D ;D
"Hey! Somebodya getta dis crate ona da truck.....tomorrow isa Ferragosto"
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There was a black "Dr. John Edition" in 1995 for the UK market. Only twenty were built and it came with a B kit, Carrillo rods and full Termignoni exhaust.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/blueboarhound/Daytona1000DrJohn.jpg)
I know the guys who had that bike, the bike next to it was used for classic racing and was in issue 1 of the Italian Motor, I rewired it quite recently, as its now a road bike.
He recently bought the Dr John back with the intention of keeping it, but got made an offer he couldn't refuse about a week after he got it and sold it again, for quite a profit I was stunned at the price.
It was a lovely bike, as I remember the "Dr John's" had a stage B kit installed as standard over here and the RS had stage C
John
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I did wonder if the 20 Dr. John editions built for the British market are lumped into the 100 built in '95.
Daytona 1000
1992: 486
1993: 283
1994: 155
1995: 100
Daytona 1000 Racing
1996: 100
OJ,
Would your friend know the answer to where the Dr. John edition falls in respect to the production numbers?
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I just talked to a friend today about someone locally who has or had (recently deceased) a Daytona 1000 and it is going to be sold with a lot of other bikes. Don't know the condition,etc.etc.
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You should ask him to post it on the Guzzi owners classified site. There have been a couple on ebay in the last month that didn't sell for as much as I thought they would. This could be the time to buy ...
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OJ,
Would your friend know the answer to where the Dr. John edition falls in respect to the production numbers?
I'll drop him an e-mail and if he replies I'll post back up
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I came across this yesterday. I have no idea how accurate it is, perhaps someone here knows. I did wonder if the 20 Dr. John editions built for the British market are lumped into the 100 built in '95. I remember talking to someone back in the late '90's at Moto Guzzi (when they were in NC.) and he was able to tell me how many Sport 1100's of each color, by year, came to the US. I wish I would have retained that information but production numbers just wasn't something I was interested in back then. Besides, I'm sure all I heard was blah, blah, blah, silver, blah, blah, blah,..... ;D
Luckily one of the early Dr John owners created an owners register for the Dr John back in 96 - we didn't want to find 100s of them as happened to the Ducati 900ss Hailwood replica - 100 or so made but 1000s of ordinary bikes rebadged.
The production numbers run contiguously from KA 11783 to KA 11802. In late 97 all bikes were accounted for but the last one was destroyed by fire at a dealers and we never found who bought the 3rd (KA 11785) or the 15th (11797) after they were sold by dealers in 1997.
Mine's number 11 (KA 11793) and heavily modified (engine blueprinted and with some great hybrid cams - less peaky than the 'C' kit ones, remapped, WP 43mm upside downers, adjustable yokes, Astralite wheels, 320 race disks, carbon fibre twin headlight fairing etc). Awesome bike, once sorted (no major problems but needed the mods to get the best out of it). I have the last set of 100mm barrels and Cosworth pistons so it will be a 1227cc when I have the time
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If you are going to resurrect a thread this old, while owning a bike like that, then we require pics!
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Shortly after purchasing my '93 Daytona 1000 I met the president of the Guzzi distributor, he stated that he imported 51 total with seventeen being bi-posto models. Mine is the two seat unit.
Grant
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I read when the LM IIs weren't selling in the UK they were painted black w/gold lettering to unload them. Maybe that's why Daytonas were that color in the UK? I'm really surprised how many Daytonas were built. :shocked:
A Guzzisti in norCal had a blue LM I(he sold it); the only 1 I've ever seen. White LeMans are rare too in the US.