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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: trumps on November 04, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
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G'day all, signed up earlier in the year and have been lurking and learning ( thank you all very much) ever since while slowly plodding away with my build.
bought a ratty old 1000SP/NT in March with the plan of doing a cafe-ing it, put a couple of thousand km's on it before i started just to get the feel of it
as it is my first Guzzi, beautiful bikes!
Bought a set of rotten old Boranni rims, stripped, made shiney, and relaced them, bought an alloy tank from TAB II Classics in the UK, make up a plug and
glassed up the seat unit after shortening the rear of the frame about 4". when i was happy with the basic styling i stripped the bike and now with the
frame ect blasted and repainted have started the process of building her up again.
replaced steeringhead and swingarm bearings, carrier bearings and U/J, rebuilt the forks including new FAC units, and inner fork tubes, the chrome was
shot on the originals.
i just finished the engine, which got new Gillardoni's, Perter Roper did the heads for me including stiffer valve springs, and opening up the intake ports to
suit my 36mm manifolds, and 36mm Dellorto's, he also supplied me with an Ergal alloy flywheel, and lightened the ring gear. B-10 cam, new lifters,
C-5 ignition, sump spacer, and early Lemans style breather system. Still weighing up options in the exhaust department.
Transmission is stripped and i will be replacing the seals and bearings while shimming her up, the bevel will be copping much the same treatment. i will
also be rewiring the bike with the full Motogadget setup, along with a modern reg/rectifier as i'm a big fan of quality electrical systems and this old girl
was rather lacking in that department in it's as bought guise ;)
still got a few bits and bobs to find such as a front axle and spacer to marry up the boranni front wheel with the SP forks, i figure a T3 axle and spacer will
be what i need, just have to find one. Will be fitting a set of Hagon rear shocks to the back end.
I know many aren't fans of people tampering and bastardizing what to them is the perfect bike in it's original form but any tips and pionters along the way
would be much appreciated. If anyone has bothered reading this, i hope you like photos! ;)
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Cheers
Craig
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+3 ;-T
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Very nice, you're taking something that was ratty and old and making it into something that will rock and roll. More power to 'ya!
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That's fantastic. Keep on keeping the forum up to date on this!!!
Lannis
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Eggg sel ant... ;-T
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The larger Del'Ortos and straight intakes (provided you did some port matching in the heads), along with the electronic ignition should wake that engine up a bit.
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Twin plug the heads and you should be able to run regular petrol thru it!
The engine mods you list sound like a roadmap of the stuff I did to my T-5.
A set of upswept Contis would complete the look if you can find them.
Should go like a scalded goose!
G
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Thats a sweet project, pardon my ignorance, but, how are you building the tail, fiberglass? or steel/aluminum?
Some day I would love to build a tonti project just like yours,.
Rick.
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Thats a sweet project, pardon my ignorance, but, how are you building the tail, fiberglass? or steel/aluminum?
Some day I would love to build a tonti project just like yours,.
Rick.
And where did that fuel tank come from? I think that's the perfect tank size and shape for a Guzzi cafe or sport bike.
Lannis
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And where did that fuel tank come from? I think that's the perfect tank size and shape for a Guzzi cafe or sport bike.
Lannis
And where did that fuel tank come from? I think that's the perfect tank size and shape for a Guzzi cafe or sport bike.
Lannis
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He says tab II classics in the UK above I'm suprised a smart feller like you missed that Lannis
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Very nice.
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I think I've seen this build some place else as well ;)
Can't remember where this might be........... hurry up will you, we have Guzzis to ride :bike
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And where did that fuel tank come from? I think that's the perfect tank size and shape for a Guzzi cafe or sport bike.
Lannis
He says tab II classics in the UK above I'm suprised a smart feller like you missed that Lannis
I read that post carefully over and over to make sure that JUST such a comment wouldn't be forthcoming. But to no avail. Next thing I looked for was a little "Edited by" note at the bottom, but no such luck.
Must have been in my blind spot, a retinal detachment, yeah, that's the ticket ....
I do like the tank.
Lannis
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Jobs on Andy, now that i have pretty much all my parts things should move along at a better pace ;-T Yup Lannis it is a TAB II jobbie, the longer version, size and shape wise it looks like the perfect match
to my eye. Rick, I carved a plug out of Balsa, ( one of my other hobbies is building R/C scale aircraft and i have a huge stock of balsa) i had a local fibreglass guy take a mould from the plug, and lay up a form
from it. i then used the form to lay up a seperate seat base with a couple of drilled and tapped aluminum strips inlayed, shaped up a seat pad, and had it covered, the front will hook under an extra cross tube
i aded to the frame, and the rear will bolt down onto the inner rear guard that i fabbed up from some ali plating.
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Cheers all.
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I read that post carefully over and over to make sure that JUST such a comment wouldn't be forthcoming. But to no avail. Next thing I looked for was a little "Edited by" note at the bottom, but no such luck.
Must have been in my blind spot, a retinal detachment, yeah, that's the ticket ....
I do like the tank.
Lannis
I wouldn't have noticed it either but one of my first thoughts when I looked at the pics (and I looked first) was "where the heck do you get a cool tank like that?" so THEN I started reading ;)
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I wouldn't have noticed it either but one of my first thoughts when I looked at the pics (and I looked first) was "where the heck do you get a cool tank like that?" so THEN I started reading ;)
Ross Thompson can build a tank like that - I wondered if it was one of his.
I always struggle with tail-pieces, though. Never have seen a tail-treatment on a custom that's just what I would want.....
Lannis
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Ross Thompson can build a tank like that - I wondered if it was one of his.
I always struggle with tail-pieces, though. Never have seen a tail-treatment on a custom that's just what I would want.....
Lannis
Ross Thompson can build a tank like that - I wondered if it was one of his.
I always struggle with tail-pieces, though. Never have seen a tail-treatment on a custom that's just what I would want.....
Lannis
Me too but this guys doing it tastefully. I have seen some that I didn't like. The fact that this guys taking a bike that was pretty much a lump of shart and doing this is great.
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With any luck Craig will post up a picture of his last build - if that's anything to go by, this Guzzi will be stunning
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Me too but this guys doing it tastefully. I have seen some that I didn't like. The fact that this guys taking a bike that was pretty much a lump of shart and doing this is great.
Heck, I've got a decent 1000SP without the fairing, and I'm starting to have visions of turning it into something like this..... !
Lannis
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Heck, I've got a decent 1000SP without the fairing, and I'm starting to have visions of turning it into something like this..... !
Lannis
That's a nice rig, about as nice as a CX-100 :D
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Wow. Obligatory dumb comment: " How'd you know what I wanted ? "
Now I'll have to watch for opportunities...
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Looks good! ;-T
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Did someone say a "build"? :o
Looks like you're on your way to someone very tasty. ;-T
Show is anything and everything please. Most of us are open to this sort of thing.
Kevin
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Nice work there Trumps.
I'm wondering why you swapped the original head protectors for the [inferior in my opinion] tubular jobbies? I had those on my Cali and once they lost the plugs from the ends they looked way shabby.
Apart from that I love every detail. The see thru dizzy cap is a nice touch and those motogadget setups are the ants pants. Perter Roper did a nice job on the heads. I thought he didn't do pretty.
Can't wait to see the next installment.
Thanks for the eye candy.
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Cheers Luthier, mate i can't speak highly enough of Pete Roper. he has been most helpful, i have spoken to him quite a few times over the last month or so and has been an invaluable source of knowledge and recommendations.
With regards to the head protectors, i am running the tubular ones for no other reason than i prefer them over the alloy jobbies, the bungs in the ends will probably be removed and a neater method of closing them off sorted.
I have high hopoes for the Motogadget setup, and am looking forward to installing and wiring it up then exploring its capabilities. If it performs as well as advertized i will probably order another bunch of goodies from them and
giving the same treatment to my other cafe which AndyS mentioned. Question for all you Guzzi Gurus, front axle, and spacer required for converting spoked guzzi wheels to an SP/NT front end, i seem to be drawing a bit of a
blank here as to where to source the required bits, can anyone recommend a source?
here is the bike as i bought it.
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My other cafe, had this bike for about 18 years, the last 10 or so of which it was rotting and rusting away doubling as a sawhorse in my fathers shed, dragged it home at the start of last year and gave it the full treatment ;)
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Cheers all
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Have I met you on any of the triples boards? Just wondering if I know you. I'm "Jim" on four of them.
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Heya Jim, I dare say we have mate, more than likely the ktog forums ;) variety is the spice of life they say, and apart from having a wheel at either end guzzi's and Kwaka triples are about as different as they get eh?
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They sure are very different. That was one reason I bought the Mille GT last year, to experience something different. Until then, my H2 that I bought in 1978 was the only motorcycle I had ever owned. I'm mainly on www.kawi2strokes.co m/forum so if you have time, drop in there once in a while.
Your Guzzi cafe looks like it's going in an excellent direction. The guy I bought my Mille from has a build thread here. It may be interesting to you: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=21706.0 (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=21706.0)
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What did the ignition set you back? I'll have to research it!
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Thanks Jim, will check it out.
Allflatblack, from memory the C-5 iggi set me back about 500us, can't recall exactly. This includes the coil pack, leads ect, doesn't come with the fancy dizzycap though, that is just a blingy bit I chucked on!
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It's looking really good! I'm a purist when it comes to these bikes, but I can be swayed easily when I see good work being done like what you are doing; I'll be lurking on this thread!
Good job! ;-T
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That's a beaut; well laid out and well executed. Thanks for putting it up!
I remember some months back a baffle plate was mentioned as a prudent addition to an engine with a sump spacer, to keep the oil from rushing to the rear of the sump on acceleration and leaving the oil pickup sucking air. Is that something which ought to be included in this project, or has it already been installed?
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Have I met you on any of the triples boards? Just wondering if I know you. I'm "Jim" on four of them.
So who are you on the other trips forums , Bob ? :D Oh wait , Frank ;D
Dusty
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Big parts win hearts.... we that is a common phrase we use at work, so i have finished rebuilding the big parts.
rebuilt the rear bevel, and transmission over the last few days, and have now got her to the roller stage, am hoping
to rewire her over the next week or so after sorting out a few other little bits and bobs.
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Doing a great job.
The round fin engines make the prettiest customs of any of the Guzzi line. I kick myself for not buying a similar project bike last year.
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Wow, lurk no more!
I also admire a guy who can do build like this indoors.
Rich A
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Cheers Luthier, mate i can't speak highly enough of Pete Roper. he has been most helpful, i have spoken to him quite a few times over the last month or so and has been an invaluable source of knowledge and recommendations.
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I can assure you that many of us would be up the proverbial creek without the proverbial paddle without said Vasco!
You did a lovely job on the Kaw :drool. My brother in law had one of the early coil and points Mach 111's. I can only conclude that you must be a complete masochist ;D loving those machines!
Enjoying your build. Doing a really nice job. ;-T
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Cheers guys, It's good to be making some real progress finally. Muzz, the triple is great fun up in the hills for a blast, but is a pain in the backside to ride around town mainly due to a very heavy clutch, and having the dogs undercut on the box. Rich i am not lucky enough to have a workshop, so all my building is done in the pergola, and on my fold up card table, a rather amateur arrangment i know, but as they say ya do what ya can with what you've got available ;)
Sourdough, when i spoke to Pete i asked him about the need for the baffle plate, and he said it wasnt required, and to either run a spacer, or get the later model deep sump, I went the spacer just for the fact that it keeps the nice flat sump base which is good and steady on my bike lift jack. must say that the gear shift is so much more positive, and generally nicer since shimming the selector drum as per the Roper method, it's amazing what a difference .020'' make, can't wait to try it on the road!
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So close, and yet so far...
have been ploddling along with this one, got my 3 blade Ultra-Batt battery, and fab'd up a box for it. mounts right forward on top of the trans, the box is lined with 10mm sponge rubber, and I have covered the battery it's self in insulation to minimize any heat soak it make be liable to suffer due to its location.
fitted all the Motogadget goodies, and made up a harness for it all, i have kept the motogadget/bike functions harness seperate to the C5 ignition electrical system, and reg/rectifier system just for ase of servicability/diagnosis if there are issues down the track. everything tests fine when powered up, i have cranked it over for long enough to get oil pressure up, and checked it is getting to the top end, ignition timing has been set ready to go.
tank, guards, headlamp bucket, and seat unit are out getting painted at the moment, and the exhaust should be on it's way from Germany as i type this. soon as i get these goodies and have them fitted i can bleed the brakes, and fire this ol girl up, not long now, should be within a month i am guessing, the waiting is doing my head in!
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;-T Trumps, great build so far! I'm doing a similar tonti, but I can't figure out a nice complimentary rear fender. Will you be using a rear fender? And if so, can you give me some tips?
THANKS
Nate
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Heya Nate, after a fair bit of scrounging i found a rear fender from a 1980 honda CB250T was pretty close to what suited my requirements, i shortend up the front of it, and fab'd up the inner guards out of 1/8 ali to fit my needs.
the CB guard slotted between the frame rail rear eyelets nearly perfectly from memory, i have cut about 4 inches out of the rear rails, with internal spigots, and welded the ends back on though.
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Heya Nate, after a fair bit of scrounging i found a rear fender from a 1980 honda CB250T was pretty close to what suited my requirements, i shortend up the front of it, and fab'd up the inner guards out of 1/8 ali to fit my needs.
the CB guard slotted between the frame rail rear eyelets nearly perfectly from memory, i have cut about 4 inches out of the rear rails, with internal spigots, and welded the ends back on though.
Awesome! Thanks brother
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Nice work.. ;-T
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Nice work.
I love how you moved the battery, but wouldn't you need a battery plate to stiffen the chassis? (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Nice job Trump! I've been working on a similar project. Can you show us what the shift arrangement and peg looks like?
Mine is a Cal II and I'm redesigning the linkage for rearsets.
Looks the business!
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Man! Nice project! Thanks for taking all the pics as you progress. Very cool build!
Cheers.
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Gorgeous. Would have been my perfect date to the senior prom in '76.
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Tobit
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Beautiful bike, fantastic workmanship :+1
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That's the kind of wiring job I've always dreamed about doing .... !
Great work!
Lannis
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Nice work.
I love how you moved the battery, but wouldn't you need a battery plate to stiffen the chassis? (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Love it. Thanks for sharing this. ;-T
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Here ya go Petrus, hope they are of some use, these are just std Agostini rear sets, I will be running them as is without the pillion hangers which usually use the same mounting points.
Steffen, Looking at the stock battery tray, and the original tabs that tied it into the frame i figured it wouldn't add a lot of rigidity any way, though am no expert, merely a backyard hack, we will soon see mate ;) cheers all!
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Very nice.
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Thanks Trumps! I have to fabricate the shifting assembly and the shift arm on the transmission that came with the bike is currently too short. I can make something as you have shown.
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Great job on the wiring, and the rest of the build. The M-Units make wiring so easy and neat ;-T
By the placement of the M-Switch it looks like you won't be having side covers, but you will have an awkward reach to get the fob within 40mm of the switch to power up ??
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Your right mate, no side covers, in practice the m-lock location isn't bad to use, will see how it works out over time, I can easily relocate if required. The 40mm activation distance is a bit optimistic I have found, the fob pretty much need to contact the lock unit for it to activate. Otherwise a very simple system to wire up, and sort out in a neat and tidy manner.
Cheers
Craig
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Nice work.
I love how you moved the battery, but wouldn't you need a battery plate to stiffen the chassis? (correct me if I'm wrong)
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My battery plate broke and all the holes were ovalled. A lot of stress goes through there. I replaced it with a thick alloy one and bike handled much better afterwards.
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I'm uh.. pretty sure.. ;D the battery plate is important..
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I'm uh.. pretty sure.. ;D the battery plate is important..
Lino thought so.
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As important, if not more, than the lower frame rails. In fact the lower rails can be eliminated with the use of a sufficiently robust battery plate. I think if you look closely at samples of Guzzi café bikes and racers you won't find any without the plate.
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Ok...Ok... you have all talked me into it ;) i had some 5mm Ali plate left over from making my gauge surround and have cut out a support to replace the battery tray. just have to make up some new frame tabs and weld them in. exhaust has made it to Oz according to the postal tracking number, and my main man is busy smothing out any imperfections on the tank before painting it, getting there!
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h442/trumps1973/Guzzi/IMG_1661_zpsg3edo32m.jpg) (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/trumps1973/media/Guzzi/IMG_1661_zpsg3edo32m.jpg.html) >:(
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Sweet build.
Somehow, I never find the right combination of skill and patience to make my electrics look that good.
Good thing I'm covering most of it back up with the stock fairings.
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Can someone elucidate as to the why's and how's of the plate? I understand it's to stiffen the frame-what exactly needs reinforcing?
My battery currently resides under to motor.
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Can someone elucidate as to the why's and how's of the plate? I understand it's to stiffen the frame-what exactly needs reinforcing?
My battery currently resides under to motor.
if you can imagine the original mounting points for the drivetrain, this completes the motor/tranny as "one with the frame". It also makes the frame stiffer, vs. a "floating drivetrain" But I'm still learning about Guzzi's
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Can someone elucidate as to the why's and how's of the plate? I understand it's to stiffen the frame-what exactly needs reinforcing?
My battery currently resides under to motor.
I can't answer that exactly but in the process fop replacing my original steel plate, which had a big crack in it, I noticed the ovalled holes, demonstrating the movement that this plate had regularly undergone from cornering etc .
When I tried to line up my nice new 6mm aluminium plate I found that the holes did not line up properly. Naturally I blamed the manufacture of the plate...But I was wrong (put straight by the people on this forum), the plate was fine but the frame had twisted a little. With a little jiggery pokery with the frame I eventually got the holes to line up, helped in great part by the fact that the holes and bolts were countersunk, which pulled it into place.
The handling was greatly improved and my feeling is that the plate controls side to side movement of the frame in relation to the engine. Later frames, I believe, have and additional brace which fixes onto the engine assembly with the gearbox mountings.
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Very nice build Trumps! I am building something very similar from a 1000SP also. I am wanting to get a sump spacer or an outsider spacer or deeper sump. I have what might be a dumb question. With the plain spacer do you need to remove/replace two sump gaskets every time you do a filter change or is the spacer held in place independently from the sump?
Cheers Joe.
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My T5 came with a sump spacer. It uses two gaskets.
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My Mille too, and the spacer is not bolted on separately, it all comes off when you take the bolts out.
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Yep, which can make for a juggling act when trying to bolt it back up :)
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Very nice build Trumps! I am building something very similar from a 1000SP also. I am wanting to get a sump spacer or an outsider spacer or deeper sump. I have what might be a dumb question. With the plain spacer do you need to remove/replace two sump gaskets every time you do a filter change or is the spacer held in place independently from the sump?
Cheers Joe.
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nice bike!
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Yep, which can make for a juggling act when trying to bolt it back up :)
Thanks gents. That sounds like a royal pain in the buttocks.
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Very nice build Trumps! I am building something very similar from a 1000SP also. I am wanting to get a sump spacer or an outsider spacer or deeper sump. I have what might be a dumb question. With the plain spacer do you need to remove/replace two sump gaskets every time you do a filter change or is the spacer held in place independently from the sump?
Cheers Joe.
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I'm drooling guys , beautiful workmanship , more like works of art . What a way to ride ! Thanks .
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Thats a beauty Fangit, classy build! I am pretty much done with mine, just need to bleed the brakes, fit fuel lines, and battery, then it's time for the road, and some tuning, looking forward to it. Might get the seat re upholstered in a different colour as well, maybe red, or black, undecided!
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Looking nice Trumps! ;-T
Is it the photo or do the carbs have quite an angle on them?
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Thats a beauty Fangit, classy build! I am pretty much done with mine, just need to bleed the brakes, fit fuel lines, and battery, then it's time for the road, and some tuning, looking forward to it. Might get the seat re upholstered in a different colour as well, maybe red, or black, undecided!
Thanks Trumps. Your build is coming along very nicely, well done. Yes, not sure about the brown seat. What sort of exhaust system is that and where did you get it from?
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G'day Muzz, Yup, the carbs need to be squared up yet. Fangit, the system is from HTMOTO, Lovely bit of pipework it is too, was worth waiting for!
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Got 1000Kms on the ol girl now, going like a train, will get her on the dyno in the next few weeks to finalize the jetting, though it feels pretty close, and a bit of time dialing in the suspension, am thinking the SP dual rate springs might be a bit stiff for her now with the reduction in weight. had a couple of good head shakes over some of our less than perfect back roads the other day.
https://youtu.be/FNiUSxsQs5U
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I like the seat, but I'm into tan seats. Red seems too gaudy to me. Bike looks fantastic. I'd put the idle up a good few ticks as its living on the edge currently. One things for sure, it's running evenly if it can stay afloat that low. Move from lumpy to smooth. Excellent job. :thumb:
Edit: I could be off base here, but oil pressure always concerns me when I hear a bike on the verge of stall.
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Thats a beauty Fangit, classy build! I am pretty much done with mine, just need to bleed the brakes, fit fuel lines, and battery, then it's time for the road, and some tuning, looking forward to it. Might get the seat re upholstered in a different colour as well, maybe red, or black, undecided!
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h442/trumps1973/Guzzi/IMG_1715_zps3r04zpzh.jpg) (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/trumps1973/media/Guzzi/IMG_1715_zps3r04zpzh.jpg.html)
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Stunning :bow: :bow:
You have nailed it with the paint scheme, front fender and headlight, great looking seat as well. I like the matte black, its not in your face screaming red Italian or polished aluminum, very moody and stealthy.
Well done :thumb:
Cheers
Jim
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You probably know, but on the street you can run the Uni filters without the coarse red prefilters. The bike would certainly look different without the red spots. Whether that would be better or worse is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
I'd be proud to own and ride that Guzzi.
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the only thing I might consider changing, would be to bob the front fender to match the back fender
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I think a red seat to match her red socks would look nice.....Matching Cuffs and Collar you know.
Then name her "Ginger" and you'd be set. :thumb:
Alan
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Cheers all, Kevdog, when she has warmed up the idle lifts a bit to a rock solid 1100rpm. Triple Jim, in the end i decided to go with a set of K&N's, although i prefer the filtering ability of the UNI's the oiled K&N's fit better, and will still be up to the job for street use. NCAmother, i was seriously considering trimming up the front guard, but decided i quite liked the look of the full length guard on this one, and the rolled lip front and rear, matched well with the lip on the Honda guard i am using at the back end. Tan seat eh, second time that has been suggested, i need to see an upholsterer, and lay some swatches over it, see it in the flesh, i am shocking with colours, just can't visualize them ;)
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Thanks for sharing the build history....
That's a gorgeous Guzzi....
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Cheers all, Kevdog, when she has warmed up the idle lifts a bit to a rock solid 1100rpm. Triple Jim, in the end i decided to go with a set of K&N's, although i prefer the filtering ability of the UNI's the oiled K&N's fit better, and will still be up to the job for street use. NCAmother, i was seriously considering trimming up the front guard, but decided i quite liked the look of the full length guard on this one, and the rolled lip front and rear, matched well with the lip on the Honda guard i am using at the back end. Tan seat eh, second time that has been suggested, i need to see an upholsterer, and lay some swatches over it, see it in the flesh, i am shocking with colours, just can't visualize them ;)
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h442/trumps1973/Guzzi/11665758_1034367759906578_2826703358335851459_n_zpsoxuy25ly.jpg) (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/trumps1973/media/Guzzi/11665758_1034367759906578_2826703358335851459_n_zpsoxuy25ly.jpg.html)
Cheers to ya mate. I picked up that honda rear fender you used on your bike, really great fit brother!!!!!!
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Glad you found one mate, took some scrounging through the wreckers over here, but slots into the rear frame rails just nicely ;)
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Brown seat works. If anything, more of a burnt sienna (redder, darker); killer color (being a tenni griso owner I may be a tad biased). :bow:
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That is awesome. I love the exhast. Just great work all around!
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Have now put about 1500kms on her, got some happy snaps taken by a guru photographer friend of mine, and today had the old girls dyno'd to see if the pro's modern technology is better than my seat of the pants dyno.... It is!!! they leaned out the mains lifted the needles ect after balancing the carbs, the results are very noticable, it was i though reasonably good before, but is much sharper now, well worth getting done!
To do still, set the seat sorted, it could do with some softer cushioning, and will have to do a bit of research into front suspensions, the forks are a bit stiff for my liking, gets a bit unsettled on rougher roads with some shaking of the head. I fitted new FAC units which are running with zero pressure in them which seems to be what most recommend, but am also using the stock SP springs which i am thinking may be a bit stiff now considering the bikes reduced weight. any recommendations or knowledge on the subject would be appreciated, cheers.
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An outstandingly classy build. You are a real inspiration. Many thanks for posting this.
Mal
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Photoshop is an powerful tool. Notice how much nicer the bike's design looks in the professionally shot and processed images. The photographer's choice of background, highlight, view and focus enhances the bike's proportions by understating the black parts and highlighting the chrome and aluminum parts.
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DAmn dude! Beautiful bike!
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:bow: :bow:
Love it
Jim
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Good job! :thumb:
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Fantastic... love the seat with that black. :thumb:
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Beautiful build.
You asked about ideas for the front forks?
I'm part way though a Tonti cafe build, and had the forks fettled by a very well respected company over here in the UK, called MCT http://www.mctsuspension.com/Home.html
I've retained the 35 mm original forks but the inners are shoe horned in from a Suzuki GSXR 600 circa 2002.
I'm still building so haven't tried them yet, but you did ask for ideas.
You could email MCT and ask for advice, Darren is the magician who did the machining.
Cheers
Brian
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DAmn dude! Beautiful bike!
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:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Sweeet looking build. Nice work.
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Thanks for the info Oldrat, will get in contact with them. Cheers all, has proven to be a fun little project!