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Title: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on November 27, 2014, 05:33:11 AM
Have any of you guys tried an action cam?

I've decided to get one and I'm trying to select the best.

One of my fellow euro riders had a Garmin attached to his helmet on our ride through the Alps.  I was impressed how the Garmin would display a subwindow of a map with an icon for the rider and show where on the map the video was made as the video played back.

There's been a few comparative reviews published but others' experiences can be helpful.


http://action-camcorders-review.toptenreviews.com/


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Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oceanluvr on November 27, 2014, 06:28:33 AM
i was just about to post the same question  ;D

Go-Pro seems to have a lock on the market by the number of users; however, I like the Garmin as it interfaces with other Garmin products such as the electronics on my boat and I would assume newer generation GPS units.  On the other hand, I like the shape of the Contour+2, seems a lot more aerodynamic as oppose to the Go-Pro.   Will be interesting to hear feedback from real users of all the devices.  The following link has a listing of probably all of the cameras on the market today with user reviews.  

Once I narrow it down to a few I always check AMAZON for best pricing plus they sell a heck of a lot of product so therefore has a lot of good end-user reviews.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Sports-Action-Cameras/ci/20184/pn/2/N/4062787633
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: dilligaf on November 27, 2014, 06:29:58 AM
I purchased a GoPro for Marion about 3 years ago.   She fooled around with it but, after a month or so it went in the drawer. I dug it out and played with it attached to my windshield.  The GoPro has it's uses but I seldom use it.  I have no problem with the pictures it takes or the videos. Right now it's in the drawer.  :BEER:
Matt
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 27, 2014, 06:47:45 AM
GoPro has the most shooting options and mounts.. file storage gets huge fast..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFeuPWgDB9k
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oceanluvr on November 27, 2014, 06:55:51 AM
I just went on Amazon to check out the action cameras and apparently they are having a 'black Friday'  sale [Thanksgiving] on a lot of the action cams....

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_12/184-3159608-1021200?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=action+camera&sprefix=action+camer%2Celectronics%2C267
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 27, 2014, 07:17:20 AM
I just went on Amazon to check out the action cameras and apparently they are having a 'black Friday'  sale [Thanksgiving] on a lot of the action cams....

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_12/184-3159608-1021200?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=action+camera&sprefix=action+camer%2Celectronics%2C267
Interesting how so many of them look like complete copies of the GoPro for a fraction of the price.. wonder how they perform in a comparison..
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redrider on November 27, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
I use the Vio-POV HD. Picture quality is outstanding and depending on settings, up to 5 days of video can be recorded on a 32 gig card. Most other cams use proprietary batteries with lengthy recharge times. Vio uses 4 AA. I prefer NiMH and I keep 2-3 sets ready with a swap out after a couple of hours. An Eveready Rapid Charger fills them up in 30-45 minutes. No fiddling with pesky recharge time. Lithium batteries last longer but costs are constant.

The best feature is the DVR with full color screen. In the field editing is a godsend and the settings menu has everything you need. Really. Waterproof? Yes. I used one to film a dolphin excursion in September. I also just installed a remote mic in the tail of the V11 and that works well.

$329.00 gets you a lot of camera that looks good on the bike. Gopro is butt ugly, IMO. I have video posted on youtube-89Millegt is the channel. VIO make an outstanding product. I have two, one front and one rear.

I did get one of those innovv ones but it is a PITA to program and edit settings. Run time is about the same but you must recharge with a PC or laptop. Video is good.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: tiger_one on November 27, 2014, 07:21:29 AM
I have tons of videos from mostly going to Alaska and back on the Super Tenere, pretty boring, and way to big to put on the net.  The cameras are good for close up stuff, but when in a ride with others it doesn't show much.

On a trip to Colorado this summer, with 24 others on dirtbikes, they had tons of videos on every ride (8 days) but I didn't get a single one.  Tip, carry several SD cards if you wish to copy some videos from others.  Every evening we downloaded the videos to the computer, but unless you were in the same cabin with someone, and had a blank 32gb SD card you would not get them.  I viewed bunches of videos on laptops from the Gopro 4 and they are great pictures/videos.

I have uploaded some but I have tons more on my computer.
My channel on youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCry67t8NvnzPWEt_6ZykjgQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCry67t8NvnzPWEt_6ZykjgQ)

P.S.  The newer gopros have wifi so you can get an app for your smartphone to manage the gopro.  Several of the riders had the gopro mounted on their helmet, and the iphone mounted in a holder on the dirtbike handlebars, every pause, they could be seen adjusting the camera for better aiming, and editing the tape they just made.

Unless you have young eyes tho, the smartphones are about impossible to see in the daylight especially if you are wearing sunglasses.

The guy behind me captured this ride from start to finish, but I am still trying to get a copy (rainbow trail), Chris where are you, LOL. 

(http://jaxdave.smugmug.com/BillsCOPics/CADS-in-CO-Day-6/i-VQg2XnF/0/L/IMG_2378-L.jpg)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oceanluvr on November 27, 2014, 07:22:41 AM
In case you were not confused enough...Action Cam Battle Spring 2014: The Six Best   :pop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-aAlYcyhU&spfreload=10

After watching this excellent comparison, I would eliminate the Garmin and Ion and rank the Go-Pro and Sony as the winners.  Sony definitely had the best sound quality and just about equal on the video quality IMO....what say you?

Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: tiger_one on November 27, 2014, 07:54:29 AM
Lots of uses for the Gopro or similar.  This is Gopro's new drone.

(http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/11/26/102220453-475561611.530x298.jpg?v=1417022150)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: biking sailor on November 27, 2014, 09:08:59 AM
The lens angle is an important feature to select.  Electronically adjustable are best, but with features up goes the price.

I don't use them much, but my son does a regular MC blog with tons of video footage and produces ride videos of others, leading and following them.  He regularly has 3 or 4 cameras mounted on his bike, along with his helmet cam (which he likes the Drift for it's aerodynamics and controllability) when he's filming. He'll always turn his helmet cam on all the time, along with the Sena mounted on the other side.  He spends more on camera equipment than I do on all my riding gear!

His advice to me was don't waste your money on the cheap GoPro imitators.  You won't be happy in the long run.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: tusong200 on November 27, 2014, 09:14:11 AM
GoPro has the most shooting options and mounts.. file storage gets huge fast..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFeuPWgDB9k

Long live JB...."Truth" in any other form is still "Truth"
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Kentktk on November 27, 2014, 09:46:39 AM
It is quite amazing how well an iPhone 5 does with on the bike ( attached to Helmet ) videos. This is even after Vimeo reduced the quality from 1080p to 720p

https://vimeo.com/113006621?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGZjOTRmMDY1MDY1NmQ1NDVhZTU2NjE5NDIwYTBmYjYyMTAwMHwzMjI3OTg0MnwxNDE3MDkyMDgwfDc3MDE%3D
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oceanluvr on November 27, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
It is quite amazing how well an iPhone 5 does with on the bike ( attached to Helmet ) videos. This is even after Vimeo reduced the quality from 1080p to 720p

https://vimeo.com/113006621?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGZjOTRmMDY1MDY1NmQ1NDVhZTU2NjE5NDIwYTBmYjYyMTAwMHwzMjI3OTg0MnwxNDE3MDkyMDgwfDc3MDE%3D

You know i was thinking, why is it bank robber footage seems like it was shot with an old 8mm, why is that, when there are amateur cameras that duplicate movie theater quality?     ??? Just wondering...don't want to hijack the thread
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: steven c on November 27, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
 I use a Contour Roam, I like the shape, very simple to use with it's big on off switch so you can turn it on and off with gloves on. It is waterproof and very rugged. Down side is you can't change the settings without plugging in to the lap top. I think the new versions have more controls. You can get the Roam for around $120.
http://youtu.be/gxsUD1TwsGQ
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/gxsUD1TwsGQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: guzziownr on November 27, 2014, 10:32:39 AM
I was just looking at this Sony:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1073680-REG/sony_hdr_as20_b_hdr_as20_compact_pov_action.html

Image stabilization, remote mic., WiFi...  $100 Black Friday sale

Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: leafman60 on November 27, 2014, 10:36:16 AM
But, I really like the idea of coordinating the video you capture with a map location of where the pictures come from.  Can GoPro do this easily?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Rich A on November 27, 2014, 10:45:48 AM
I also have a Contour. One feature I really like is that you can rotate the lens so the video is perfectly vertical no matter where/how you mount the camera. I like the controls better than the GoPro, too. Contour went out of business for a while but is back and should be introducing some new models.

Rich A
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redrider on November 27, 2014, 12:43:27 PM
In the field editing and adjustments with universal power supply. VIO. The Chosen One.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: charlie b on November 27, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
My brother likes his GoPro.  The feature he likes most is that his iPhone can be used as the viewfinder.  They link through some sort of bluetooth connection.  The camera can get location date from the phone and can be controlled by the phone.  So, he can mount the camera anywhere he wants, put the phone in a cradle on the bars and see whatever it is the camera sees.

Me?  I don't bother with pictures.  The scenes that I see as breathtaking are 'ho hum' in a picture.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: blackcat on November 27, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
My brother likes his GoPro.  The feature he likes most is that his iPhone can be used as the viewfinder.  They link through some sort of bluetooth connection.  The camera can get location date from the phone and can be controlled by the phone.  So, he can mount the camera anywhere he wants, put the phone in a cradle on the bars and see whatever it is the camera sees.


I have GP3 and that is how I set mine up, but didn't realize can get location date. Haven't had it that long and of course I have not read the entire book.

Fun to have but I have to figure out how to edit so I don't fall asleep watching the boring stuff.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: JProdun on November 27, 2014, 03:37:41 PM
I have Sony Action Cam and am pretty happy with it. Has it's disadvantages of course, but i paid a quarter of what a GoPro would run me.

Will provide links to my videos later.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 27, 2014, 05:48:52 PM
I don't understand why people keep churning out these videos. Several minutes of what a person on a road, whether on a bike or in a car, sees in front of him or her is a pretty good definition of pointless.

Nobody who makes serious motorcycle videos uses this kind of footage more than a few seconds at a time, and for good reason. It puts people to sleep.

P.S. I'm talking about road footage, not dirt bike race footage, etc., which is a different issue.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 27, 2014, 06:08:25 PM
I use the Vio-POV HD. Picture quality is outstanding and depending on settings, up to 5 days of video can be recorded on a 32 gig card. Most other cams use proprietary batteries with lengthy recharge times. Vio uses 4 AA. I prefer NiMH and I keep 2-3 sets ready with a swap out after a couple of hours. An Eveready Rapid Charger fills them up in 30-45 minutes. No fiddling with pesky recharge time. Lithium batteries last longer but costs are constant.

The best feature is the DVR with full color screen. In the field editing is a godsend and the settings menu has everything you need. Really. Waterproof? Yes. I used one to film a dolphin excursion in September. I also just installed a remote mic in the tail of the V11 and that works well.

$329.00 gets you a lot of camera that looks good on the bike. Gopro is butt ugly, IMO. I have video posted on youtube-89Millegt is the channel. VIO make an outstanding product. I have two, one front and one rear.

I did get one of those innovv ones but it is a PITA to program and edit settings. Run time is about the same but you must recharge with a PC or laptop. Video is good.

I've watched all of your videos. There are two problems. You have significant problems with image quality (there are serious exposure issues that would be corrected with a better understanding of digital latitude) and with sound quality (although recording with a mic off the camera is an improvement).

The second problem is that I could not figure out why any of your videos have been made public. Are they supposed to be videos that you think people want to see for their content, or are they all "tests" of the gear that you've spent a bunch of money on that you want to share as "tests"?

I'm asking because you've been posting videos for a couple of years, but what you've posted all looks like really rough test videos, none of it edited and none of it looking anything close to a decent home movie, let alone a finished video.

Re your comment about GoPro - that it looks "butt ugly" - not sure what it means (the camera or the images that it produces) but have you actually owned and used one of their cameras?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 27, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Have any of you guys tried an action cam?

I've decided to get one and I'm trying to select the best.

One of my fellow euro riders had a Garmin attached to his helmet on our ride through the Alps.  I was impressed how the Garmin would display a subwindow of a map with an icon for the rider and show where on the map the video was made as the video played back.

There's been a few comparative reviews published but others' experiences can be helpful.


http://action-camcorders-review.toptenreviews.com/


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This is a pretty good "action cam" video, made in New York with a Bentley and an iPhone 5s:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lyYhM0XIIwU

P.S. If you do a bit of research about how this video was made, yes you'll find that certain shots, particularly camera movement shots, were done with some fairly sophisticated gear; but those shots aside, this video says plenty about what can be done by someone with a cell phone or tablet and some skill and imagination.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oceanluvr on November 27, 2014, 09:48:34 PM
I've watched all of your videos. There are two problems. You have significant problems with image quality (there are serious exposure issues that would be corrected with a better understanding of digital latitude) and with sound quality (although recording with a mic off the camera is an improvement).

The second problem is that I could not figure out why any of your videos have been made public. Are they supposed to be videos that you think people want to see for their content, or are they all "tests" of the gear that you've spent a bunch of money on that you want to share as "tests"?

I'm asking because you've been posting videos for a couple of years, but what you've posted all looks like really rough test videos, none of it edited and none of it looking anything close to a decent home movie, let alone a finished video.

Re your comment about GoPro - that it looks "butt ugly" - not sure what it means (the camera or the images that it produces) but have you actually owned and used one of their cameras?

WOW, what a rough crowd!   Freedom is the word of the day... It's your choice to watch them or not!  But I don't think he asked for your opinion on the quality of his videos.  Only 17 posts, not a paying supporter and you are already bashing a member, not a good start IMO.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 27, 2014, 10:25:44 PM
WOW, what a rough crowd!   Freedom is the word of the day... It's your choice to watch them or not!  But I don't think he asked for your opinion on the quality of his videos.  Only 17 posts, not a paying supporter and you are already bashing a member, not a good start IMO.

Hi Oceanluvr,

I guess that either you don't know that these videos are on YouTube, or that you don't know that posting videos on YouTube is an invitation to comment. Meanwhile, I chose to express some views on making videos, and to provide a link, that raise some questions about some of what is said in this thread. So?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: rocker59 on November 27, 2014, 11:02:57 PM
a pretty good definition of pointless.
 

A pretty good definition of pointless is shitting in someone's thread, n00b.

 :+=copcar
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 27, 2014, 11:30:06 PM
A pretty good definition of pointless is shitting in someone's thread, n00b.

 :+=copcar

I haven't said anything to, or about, the original poster to this thread.

I have suggested that it is possible to make a really good video with a cell phone, such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyYhM0XIIwU&app=desktop

Is saying that a problem?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Phil_P on November 28, 2014, 02:36:12 AM
 :+1 On the 'Contour' range. The shape allows you to tuck the camera in closer to your helmet than the 'gopro' shaped devices, and also if on the side they are perhaps a little less prone to getting smacked by low hanging branches. Some deals on the Contour include the waterproof housing if that matters. Mine has the mini GPS card that lets you track your ride.

A point that matters with ALL the HD cameras though, is make sure the video capabilities of your PC are up to displaying them. For ages I was convinced I had a dodgy camera, with pausing and skipping, but it was only the speed opf the PC not keeping up with the demands of HD playback that was causing the problem. A decent video card resolved that.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Damnyankee on November 28, 2014, 02:36:59 AM
There's a reason the GoPro is so popular, it's simply the best action cam out there but more it takes great still photo's as well. I own the Hero 2 and I'm toying with the idea of going for the new Hero 4 that produces 4K video. My only complaint with the Hero 2 is the audio but it's really not the fault of the camera. Wind noise on the bike is unacceptable but there are a number of fixes, I chose to get an external stereo mic (the Hero 2 does record in stereo) with a 6' cord that allows me to place the mic where the wind noise is less a factor.

I've seen video's from other action cams and they're very good but the GoPro is extreme. I can pkug it directly into my tv's, PC and laptop to view and edit, I can control it with my HTC One phone, edit and send video directly to email, youtube or email from the phone and i'ts extremely durable.

The Hero 4 now has touch screen and built in wifi and bluetooth.   http://shop.gopro.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-GoPro-Site/default/Landing-Hero4

http://youtu.be/_QEokK1-Ttc?list=UUBzPqum0dW1Q3G9OKsLyvkw


http://youtu.be/6qKy5JhQIFA?list=UUBzPqum0dW1Q3G9OKsLyvkw


http://youtu.be/iO7rXXNMyz4?list=UUBzPqum0dW1Q3G9OKsLyvkw

http://youtu.be/6YM4kHS2G-c?list=UUBzPqum0dW1Q3G9OKsLyvkw
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Damnyankee on November 28, 2014, 02:48:56 AM
:+1 On the 'Contour' range. The shape allows you to tuck the camera in closer to your helmet than the 'gopro' shaped devices, and also if on the side they are perhaps a little less prone to getting smacked by low hanging branches. Some deals on the Contour include the waterproof housing if that matters. Mine has the mini GPS card that lets you track your ride.

A point that matters with ALL the HD cameras though, is make sure the video capabilities of your PC are up to displaying them. For ages I was convinced I had a dodgy camera, with pausing and skipping, but it was only the speed opf the PC not keeping up with the demands of HD playback that was causing the problem. A decent video card resolved that.

Fact! I'm running a Nvidia GeForce GT 610, not top of the line by any means but before I installed it the onboard video was serioulsy horrible.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Damnyankee on November 28, 2014, 04:27:06 AM
About Youtube...

When you watch a youtube video can change the settings by clicking on the little gear icon at the bottom right side of the screen. I've noticed that youtube generally selects a lesser resolution when there is an option to switch to higher res. Most of my video's show as 360 or 480p when started when they are actually shot at higher res, some of to 1080p.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Damnyankee on November 28, 2014, 04:46:40 AM
I don't understand why people keep churning out these videos. Several minutes of what a person on a road, whether on a bike or in a car, sees in front of him or her is a pretty good definition of pointless.

Nobody who makes serious motorcycle videos uses this kind of footage more than a few seconds at a time, and for good reason. It puts people to sleep.

P.S. I'm talking about road footage, not dirt bike race footage, etc., which is a different issue.

Can't speak for anyone else but for me, they're memories, much like shooting stills at a family gathering. Capturing a few minutes of my rides is not necessarily meant for public viewing but for my own and my family and friends. While my video's may not interest you and that's understandable, to me, they're a part of my life experience and worth every second and every dime I spent on the equipment.  ;-T
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redrider on November 28, 2014, 05:54:57 AM
Redge, Some may think your comments harsh but not I. I am not a professional videographer nor do I have the time or software to edit and produce a film quality video. Most of what gets posted on 'tube is boring simply because it is a snapshot of one person's day. When I watch my video, I re-live the moment. My pulse quickens, smells are remembered, conversations and stories cherished by me alone. No video made by any one can do all of that for me.Much like having to watch those old 8mm vacation films at family gatherings. Outside of the occasional "Hey Ya'll, watch this.." stunt, I suspect most footage should be left in the cutting room. Makes me appreciate a good film even more.

I also regard more than a few motorcycles as butt ugly although they may perform better than anything in my garage. I like redhead women and Guzzi bikes, others do not.

 Raw and uncut is exactly what life is and all of us only get one lap. Cheers, Friend   
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: dan_s on November 28, 2014, 06:20:44 AM
I've been using a Chinese 808 #16 cam for more than 2 years now. 720p resolution, 40$. I use it on a daily basis as a road cam, inside the helmet. The only problems I had were batteries dying sooner than expected and incompatibility with some memory cards (microSD). With an external battery and and the correct card it works flawlessly so far.
There are better models from the same maker, the Mobius, with 1080p res and the SJ400, 1080p and a viewscreen.
Here's a typical helmet shot. For uploading to youtube I used a simple editing program which deteriorates the image a bit.
http://youtu.be/6KCGe1nBcAw?list=UUQ5Ee833y2aUmb4B0RXGEYw (http://youtu.be/6KCGe1nBcAw?list=UUQ5Ee833y2aUmb4B0RXGEYw)

Excellent cam reviews on techmoan's website techmoan.com (http://techmoan.com)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 28, 2014, 07:24:05 AM
this ones old but has not had views for awhile, not my best.

https://vimeo.com/33570675
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: dan_s on November 28, 2014, 12:09:56 PM
A comparison between gopro hero and the sj4000 wifi

Budget Action Cam Showdown: GoPro Hero (Full Revi…‏: http://youtu.be/EASnXTyRYE8
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: Sack on November 28, 2014, 05:00:37 PM
I was going to mention the Mobius also. Considering its price ($70) it's been just too good a bargain with video that compares very well with the high priced spreads. Self contained, relatively aerodynamic it conceals well to bike and helmet and has become a favorite in the RC world. See YouTube for sample videos.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: redge on November 28, 2014, 10:02:28 PM
Redge, Some may think your comments harsh but not I. I am not a professional videographer nor do I have the time or software to edit and produce a film quality video. Most of what gets posted on 'tube is boring simply because it is a snapshot of one person's day. When I watch my video, I re-live the moment. My pulse quickens, smells are remembered, conversations and stories cherished by me alone. No video made by any one can do all of that for me.Much like having to watch those old 8mm vacation films at family gatherings. Outside of the occasional "Hey Ya'll, watch this.." stunt, I suspect most footage should be left in the cutting room. Makes me appreciate a good film even more.

I also regard more than a few motorcycles as butt ugly although they may perform better than anything in my garage. I like redhead women and Guzzi bikes, others do not.

 Raw and uncut is exactly what life is and all of us only get one lap. Cheers, Friend   

My hat's off. Hell of a response.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: PICKLEKOOKEN on November 29, 2014, 11:48:20 AM
I have a Contour cam gps I like my only mistake was my doesn't have a remote mic and plug. I get a lot of wind noise no matter where I put the cam. I cam mount mine on the handle bars, crash bars, and my Helmet. Pic.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cam ?
Post by: oldmxdog61u on December 02, 2014, 06:52:58 AM
I have a gopro that has served me well off road and in mx races. Zero problems.  Avi files are big, but the joy of reliving a event is bigger.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Jerryd on December 02, 2014, 07:39:32 AM
I do a lot of sailboat racing and we use the GoPro extensively. It gets mounted on the stern rail, the end of the boom looking forward, or at the top of the mast looking down. In addition, I've seen them mounted under the boat to show water flow over the keel or rudder. They really hold up well in the elements.

A friend of mine uses his on his quadcopter to film the races. One day the quadcopter battery wen't dead before it returned automatically to him. The whoe thing crashed in to the cockpit of a moored sailboat, but the GoPro was fine. Also, the sailboat ;)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: redrider on December 02, 2014, 06:05:23 PM
'twould be nice to see a vid with the passenger controlling the drone on a group ride. Yeah, the GoPro has some packaging advantages. Longer run time and increased payload for the drones is a must.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on December 03, 2014, 02:41:17 AM
I always wanted a Contour GPS since borrowing a friends a couple of years ago. I looked on Amazon and ordered this one the other day as the price is good.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HRRMC6/ref=pe_385040_127541860_TE_dp_1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HRRMC6/ref=pe_385040_127541860_TE_dp_1)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: bib on December 03, 2014, 05:19:09 AM
I have the Sony HDR-AS20.
Good low light pictures.
Comes with waterproof housing.
Easy to use.
Good audio. (I believe one of the best for audio)
Also use it to capture movies of grand kids mucking around without them aware.
Do not use Sony PlayMemories software - you will waste a LOT of your time as it crashes for many reasons:
my lesson was when I mixed images captured by a canon camera in the same library as the sony PlayMemories Home.
No more memories played - in fact nothing played. Know problem not corrected.
There are many OS software including windows that will download images from camera to PC... mp4 files.

Be aware GOPro uses its own compression and codec -
cheers
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Xlratr on December 03, 2014, 05:26:12 AM
I use the Sony Action Cam. The picture quality is very good, design is nice and the price is good. It comes with the water proof housing, which I use all the time.
I use the camera a lot because it fits in your pocket and it's easy to use without being distracted by monitors and stuff. I use it as the family video camera on holidays too.

I've tried several camera solutions while riding, but one thing that was always a problem was hard mounting to the bike (I used a RAM Mount with Tripod adapter). Every camera, regardless of camera type suffered from vibration. The videos at certain engine speeds became unwatchable. So now I just hang it round my neck on a neck strap.   
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: redrider on December 03, 2014, 05:50:55 AM
Vibration is my demon. The rear facing lens on the VIO system is mounted to the underside of the HB rack and is the most steady vids made on the V11. The front lens has been difficult. Fork and handlebar positions are not optimum. Yesterday, I installed the gas cap mount from the Benelli. A RAM camera base plate on that, RAM short arm and another base plate for the lens. Idle vibration is still there but smooth everywhere else. The height above the tank is about 5 inches with my hands in the lower corners at 1080.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Damnyankee on December 03, 2014, 07:04:36 AM
Vibration is my demon. The rear facing lens on the VIO system is mounted to the underside of the HB rack and is the most steady vids made on the V11. The front lens has been difficult. Fork and handlebar positions are not optimum. Yesterday, I installed the gas cap mount from the Benelli. A RAM camera base plate on that, RAM short arm and another base plate for the lens. Idle vibration is still there but smooth everywhere else. The height above the tank is about 5 inches with my hands in the lower corners at 1080.

I mostly use the GoPro mounted to my helmets and don't get much vibration. As I noted in another post about audio, once I used the external mic I get much less wind noise since I can place the mic out of the wind. I haven't posted any video since using the mic so, you'd have to take my word for it but as for vibration, mounted to the helmet the GoPro is exceellent.

http://youtu.be/94OzQLJU71s?list=UUBzPqum0dW1Q3G9OKsLyvkw
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: father guzzi obrian on December 03, 2014, 08:10:10 AM
I went with GoPro a few years ago as I am a cretin, when I had a VCR, it always flashed 12:00 as I could not set the time :'(    The GoPro works easily enough for an old fart, I like technology, but I would have to adopt a 10 year old kid to teach me how it works.....
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Damnyankee on December 03, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
I went with GoPro a few years ago as I am a cretin, when I had a VCR, it always flashed 12:00 as I could not set the time :'(    The GoPro works easily enough for an old fart, I like technology, but I would have to adopt a 10 year old kid to teach me how it works.....

I hear ya father! The GoPro has gotten a little more complicated now that I almost always use the smartphone app but it was just a learning curve. I like being able to see what the camera sees in real time and the fact I can control the camera with my phone via wifi is awesome.I can also control more than a few camera's with the app.

I just looked at the Contour website to see if it's a better deal than another GoPro. Thanks but I'll stick with the GoPro. Contour has pretty good video but not nearly the features of the GoPro.

My oldest son is a videographer and he uses the GoPro for his clients that want 3D.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: scura283 on December 03, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
Lots of info here http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-video-camera-reviews/reviews.htm
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: redrider on December 03, 2014, 04:37:03 PM
I may have the vibration gremlin on the ropes. Kapsco Moto sold me the tank mount and on the Benelli all was golden. The V11 however was not. Using some flat washers and O rings to isolate the mount at the filler and another set to isolate the bolts, the rolling shutter effect has mostly disappeared. Even the at idle shimmy is gone. I took a short ride at sunset to test. Give me a few and I'll post on tube. Warning, this is only a test. Had this been a real......

Update-the image is 1000% more stable. There is always a solution-finding it can be a pill. Wander over to the Kapscomoto site for a look at the tank mount.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Damnyankee on December 04, 2014, 04:31:02 AM
I may have the vibration gremlin on the ropes. Kapsco Moto sold me the tank mount and on the Benelli all was golden. The V11 however was not. Using some flat washers and O rings to isolate the mount at the filler and another set to isolate the bolts, the rolling shutter effect has mostly disappeared. Even the at idle shimmy is gone. I took a short ride at sunset to test. Give me a few and I'll post on tube. Warning, this is only a test. Had this been a real......

Update-the image is 1000% more stable. There is always a solution-finding it can be a pill. Wander over to the Kapscomoto site for a look at the tank mount.

I looked at the tank mount on Amazon after I got the GoPro but after testing all the mounts I have for it including the suction cup, I decided I liked the helmet mount the most. The suction cup mount worked okay on the Bassa tank but I didn't like the perspective. Probably the only way to eliminate vibration is to isolate the camera from the bike but glad the Kapscomoto is working out for ya.

Ehen I use this helmet, I'll have to figure something else out, don't wanna mess up the leather with a stick on mount  ;D

(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/946606_10200403195617402_888701896_n.jpg?oh=b8a02b080580a8b70f4f57e41c51d6b5&oe=5506D295)
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: oceanluvr on December 04, 2014, 05:10:44 AM
I looked at the tank mount on Amazon after I got the GoPro but after testing all the mounts I have for it including the suction cup, I decided I liked the helmet mount the most. The suction cup mount worked okay on the Bassa tank but I didn't like the perspective. Probably the only way to eliminate vibration is to isolate the camera from the bike but glad the Kapscomoto is working out for ya.

Ehen I use this helmet, I'll have to figure something else out, don't wanna mess up the leather with a stick on mount  ;D

(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/946606_10200403195617402_888701896_n.jpg?oh=b8a02b080580a8b70f4f57e41c51d6b5&oe=5506D295)

At first I thought that was an early era, futbol  ;D  Wow, that is a nice helmet.  As for the cameras, I guess the overall consensus is, there is no agreement on the best single camera, but the top 3 seem to be GoPro, Sony and Contour/Ion in that order.   
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Damnyankee on December 04, 2014, 06:22:33 AM
Why I chose the GoPro

http://youtu.be/LyfOf4LqOwQ
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: oceanluvr on December 04, 2014, 09:29:11 AM
Here is what i am going with, after too much time spent reading reviews, watching comparison videos, plus and I think this has been overlooked in the conversation, thinking about how often will I use it?  I mean, how many rides  or other events do you want to record, once the novelty wears off, which it will!  Do I really need a $300 or $400 toy to record some of my motorcycle or boat rides....?  So my pick is the Replay XD 1080 Mini.  My reasons are:

1. Quality of videos is comparable to Go Pro and the other top contenders
2. Small size... Therefore, less vibration and not as obtrusive
3. Price - $149 on Amazon

Below is the link to Replys site along with a few more links.  Will be interesting to have everyone who buys an action cam post a video, so we can compare and/or review, not for content, [for goodness knows, i may be the only one who likes my videos], but for the quality of the camera. Also, if anyone is interested, they do make a 4K pro camera that is state of the art and that goes for around $250 and here is a video of this model, pretty impressive. http://replayxd.com/product/prime-x/
http://enduro-mtb.com/en/first-look-replay-xd-primex-hd-camera/


http://replayxd.com/product/1080-mini/
http://provideocoalition.com/jfoster/story/replay-xd-hd-pov-cameras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBtMduOTEwA
http://www.amazon.com/Replay-XD-Camera-Black-01-RPXD1080M-CS/dp/B00HJ4RN1E
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 09, 2014, 05:49:57 AM
If anyone comes across a good deal on these cams for the Christmas season, please post.

I'm in the market.

I's like to see more comparisons of video quality.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: oceanluvr on December 09, 2014, 06:18:24 AM
If anyone comes across a good deal on these cams for the Christmas season, please post.

I'm in the market.

I's like to see more comparisons of video quality.

You can check out my first video with the Replay WD Mini - Here is the thread  -  http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=73698.0

and the YouTube video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdG1x3UXfgI
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 09, 2014, 06:39:53 AM
Why did you select that particular camera for purchase?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: nick949 on December 09, 2014, 06:56:20 AM
My observations using a GoPro.

1)  Video quality is top notch
2)  Sound quality is marginal
3)  If you're not careful, the camera can rattle in the case
4)  There are a multitude of mounting options, limited only by your imagination
5)  They are incredibly tough and continue to work when dropped off bikes at speed, out of helicopters, off hot air balloons etc.
6)  They are an ugly wart on your helmet / bike and you will look a bit of a prat
7)  The GoPro codec isn't compatible with all video editing programs
8)  Some of the connector attachments are prone to vibration failure
9)  You WILL lose some of the little shiny nuts
10) GoPro IS the gold standard.  Virtually all action footage you see on TV is done with GoPros

Nick
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 09, 2014, 07:03:53 AM
My observations using a GoPro.

1)  Video quality is top notch
2)  Sound quality is marginal
3)  If you're not careful, the camera can rattle in the case
4)  There are a multitude of mounting options, limited only by your imagination
5)  They are incredibly tough and continue to work when dropped off bikes at speed, out of helicopters, off hot air balloons etc.
6)  They are an ugly wart on your helmet / bike and you will look a bit of a prat
7)  The GoPro codec isn't compatible with all video editing programs
8)  Some of the connector attachments are prone to vibration failure
9)  You WILL lose some of the little shiny nuts
10) GoPro IS the gold standard.  Virtually all action footage you see on TV is done with GoPros

Nick

Nick, if you could do it over again, would you buy a GoPro or get something else?


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Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: oceanluvr on December 09, 2014, 07:19:03 AM
Why did you select that particular camera for purchase?

Ok, why did I select the Replay XD Mini, good question.  First of all I should tell you I am anal retentive and research the heck out things, before I make a purchase. Thanks internet!  After reading tons of reviews, clearly most reviewers give top marks to the GoPro. But then it gets a bit fuzzy with all the other players in the market.  I can point to numerous side by side videos comparing all the cameras, and even the GoPro, on some videos or reports is not as good or only equal to others.  I decided on the Replay for several reasons. Not least of which was how often will I use it!  I mean, how many videos of my bike ride, or my fishing adventures, or diving trips does anyone want to see?  For that reason alone I decided I did not need another $350+++ toy sitting in my drawer, after the newness wore off.  Plus buying the camera is only the initial cost, as there are lots of accessories, you will feel compelled to buy.I suspect that will be the same thing for most casual users.  At $145 for the entire Replay kit, which includes mounts, I thought why not?  Additionally, it is the smallest, at 2ozs, more aerodynamic than any of the others, except the Ion, which is still bigger and made out of aircraft aluminum; plus I did not have to buy an underwater housing for it.  Comparing the videos of others with this camera, i thought the ones done by people who knew what they are doing, looked pretty darn good.  However, I purchased mine through Amazon and can return it in 30 days, so i will keep playing with it and then determine if i keep it or upgrade.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: nick949 on December 09, 2014, 07:55:41 AM
Nick, if you could do it over again, would you buy a GoPro or get something else?
.

That's a tough one.  I really like the aesthetics of the garmin units, but haven't been impressed with the video quality. I wish the GoPro had a gimble mounting system, but if I had an ounce of creativity, I could come up with something that would do the trick.  I haven't tried the latest versions of GoPro (mine is Hero2), but I hear the sound quality has been improved.  I'd probably do the same again.  Everything is a trade-off and I don't mind looking like a prat!

Nick
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Damnyankee on December 09, 2014, 12:46:42 PM
That's a tough one.  I really like the aesthetics of the garmin units, but haven't been impressed with the video quality. I with the GoPro had a gimble mounting system, but if I had an ounce of creativity, I could come up with something that would do the trick.  I haven't tried the latest versions of GoPro (mine is Hero2), but I hear the sound quality has been improved.  I'd probably do the same again.  Everything is a trade-off and I don't mind looking like a prat!

Nick

Nick, a couple of things about the GoPro audio. If you modify the case (Not the waterproof one), cut an opening where the mic is, get an external mic or get one of those fuzzy things that surround the camera, the audio would be much improved on the Hero 2. I have one and with the external mic..the sound is excellent and it does record in stereo.

I bought thisd mone and an additional case, modified the case so I could use the camera without taking it out of the case.

I'd buy another GoPro in a heartbeat ;-T
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: nick949 on December 09, 2014, 01:09:51 PM
Nick, a couple of things about the GoPro audio. If you modify the case (Not the waterproof one), cut an opening where the mic is, get an external mic or get one of those fuzzy things that surround the camera, the audio would be much improved on the Hero 2. I have one and with the external mic..the sound is excellent and it does record in stereo.

I bought thisd mone and an additional case, modified the case so I could use the camera without taking it out of the case.

I'd buy another GoPro in a heartbeat ;-T

I did drill a hole in the side and bought a cheapo Chinese Sony repro mike.  So far I haven't noticed much difference in sound quality, but I haven't really experiemented much.  It sounds as though I should - thanks.

Nick
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 09, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
I've noticed that video of the same thing gets monotonous after a few minutes.

That's always been the case.  One of my grandfathers commercially raised chickens in his retirement, lots and lots of chickens.

I remember when he bought an 8mm movie camera. He took what seemed to be hours and hours of home-made movies of his chickens running around in his several huge chicken houses. He would do us a big treat sometimes and show us movies. "Hey kids, you wanna see some movies?"

We would have to sit there for ages watching the same scenes of generic chickens running about with an occasional mug shot of my grandfather pointing to something like a new water dispenser or something.  He himself  loved it and would watch with great intensity. B O R I N G.

I've noticed the same "Chicken House" effect of some ride reports made with action cameras that go on and on of curve after curve of the same thing on and on. Not talking about you, Nick.

I think good video is like chrome- needs to be judicious and mixed with other visual images. A little bit goes a long way.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: nick949 on December 10, 2014, 07:04:58 AM
After playing around with this stuff for a while, I've come to the conclusion that there should be a 5 second rule.  That seems to be the optimum time for any single scene should be visible - or perhaps its the maximum attention span of any viewer.

I now use multiple cameras so that I have multiple views, then try to mix it up.  I also cheat.  Not all my footage is sequential and linear (or even from the same trip!). 

But beware - filming can start to take precedence over riding.  I find I'm stopping all the time to park the camera - ride by - collect the camera - reset it on the bike - strap if on my chest - attach it to the helmet - turn it on - turn it off - switch batteries - change SD cards  etc. etc.

And no matter what you do, you still don't have enough usable footage when you get home.

Some of my older stuff goes on waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too long to hold the viewers interest.  I know my stuff is still very 'home-made' and it shows, but I'm having a lot of fun trying to improve.

Nick
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Sack on December 11, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
If anyone comes across a good deal on these cams for the Christmas season, please post.

I'm in the market.

I's like to see more comparisons of video quality.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5I2hjZYiW9gZPVkvzM8_Cw

Mat knows his stuff and compares camera models quite a lot. For raw footage not modified by YouTube go to: http://www.techmoan.com/

You'll see right away how much native video is. He concentrates on car cams because they are quite popular in the UK and the rest of Europe. I believe to help settle insurance claims. Take your time and watch the native footage included with each cam.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 12, 2014, 06:32:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5I2hjZYiW9gZPVkvzM8_Cw

Mat knows his stuff and compares camera models quite a lot. For raw footage not modified by YouTube go to: http://www.techmoan.com/

You'll see right away how much native video is. He concentrates on car cams because they are quite popular in the UK and the rest of Europe. I believe to help settle insurance claims. Take your time and watch the native footage included with each cam.

Okay, I'm going to watch it but what are your conclusions as to the best to buy?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Sack on December 12, 2014, 07:35:11 AM
Okay, I'm going to watch it but what are your conclusions as to the best to buy?

For me, the video quality available today is simply amazing. I do feel that the brands who push themselves to the top of their markets become household names and that's all many/most consumers want. So in that regard, no matter how good the GoPro models may be they have an advantage in the marketplace because of their name popularity.

Besides riding motorcycles I fly RC aircraft. That's how I came to see many of the lesser known brands and models. For me then, sticking a several hundred dollar camera on a craft that could possibly never be seen again is a tough pill to swallow. This is where cams like the Mobius amaze me. Their video is outstanding, they're aerodynamic enough to be easily used on my aircraft plus go almost unnoticed on a bike. I like those qualities and I like their price. So for me, cameras like the GoPro are too expensive and too large. Buy what tickles you.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: leafman60 on December 12, 2014, 08:10:24 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-Mobius-Action-Camera/dp/B00N6AWQ5I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418393210&sr=8-1&keywords=mobius+camera

Dang, those things are so cheap and so small, is the video quality as good as the $500 cameras?
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Sack on December 12, 2014, 06:49:55 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-Mobius-Action-Camera/dp/B00N6AWQ5I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418393210&sr=8-1&keywords=mobius+camera

Dang, those things are so cheap and so small, is the video quality as good as the $500 cameras?

That's just it, I think the sample videos I've seen speak very well for several of them. For my uses, plus the chance of losing one (or more),  I can swallow losing a sub-$100 camera, though I certainly don't want to. Their relative lack of frontal area makes them a great choice for RC and almost stealth on a bike or car, etc.

Here's a well done video using the Mobius on an FPV RC quadcopter.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm2saUt4wR8      and one waaaaay up high:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfEOi3J1IA

..and one closer to the site topic here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvYnV_MUStw

Best price on the Mobius in the US that I've found:  http://us.banggood.com/wh_buy/Usa/Mobius.html

Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: Penderic on January 09, 2015, 09:59:52 PM
New semi pro camera on a quad setup  ... this is the latest commercial effort by the makers of the popular Phantom.

The DJI Inspire with a 4k HD stabilized camera. You can get real nice tracking shots with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYUrz8-JSJg

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/07749839-photo-dji-inspire-1_zps9f6d256c.jpg)

Chasing a Triumph! Teaser...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDt5TyHC4KU
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: redrider on January 10, 2015, 11:44:59 AM
Curious about run time and recharging-I use the VIO and get over 2 hours of continuous  run and recharge of the AA's takes less than an hour. I carry 2 spare battery sets and change out every 2 hours with no loss of data due to auto shutdown or power fail. Oh, Harbor Freight NiCd 2300mAH have been the most consistent and reliable.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: johnr on January 10, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
The new version of the Drift Ghost seems to be getting a good rep.
Title: Re: GoPro, Garmin or Other Action Cams ?
Post by: pressureangle on January 10, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
I rushed out and bought a GoPro. This is literally the 2nd time I ever powered it up, first vid with zero practice. I'm very happy with it, although the software takes like 50Gigs of space to use in HD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umvg2Qj4ooA