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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JProdun on December 01, 2014, 10:37:57 PM
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Ok, so I've been a long time lurker and now i'm here for help/advice/suggestions and anything else you could offer :)
First off, i love the Guzzi community here. Been reading through a lot of threads and posts and can say that this is the most friendly and probably the most knowledgable forum i'm a member of. Obviously a forum is made off of members. So glad this community has gathered so many different and great in their own way personalities!
Now to the business.
I've sold my bike yesterday and am looking for my next machine. Out of all the possible brands, styles and displacements i'm considering, the V7 Stone or Special is the top contender for many many reasons.
A little about myself (sorry if introduction is out of place, but its directly related to why i'm looking for your opinions on the bike in question).
I live in Brooklyn, NY and the bike will be used for occasional pleasure riding. Unfortunately cannot commute on it, because i'm a medical technician and need to carry pretty large and heavy equipment with me. The bike i owned was ridden mostly every other Sunday morning for distances anywhere from 10 to 150 miles. I have two little kids, so it's a little difficult for me to get often and for long rides. The bike will be stored in a garage. Non heated.
So here's the list of questions and concerns that I have:
1. Based on the threads and posts from people who had warranty issues, i came to understand that dealer and manufacturer support is weak at best. So if any of you had good experiences - i'll be happy to hear them! Also, foes anyone have any experience with Vespa of Brooklyn (closest Guzzi dealer to me)? Or maybe could recommend someone near me who could be trusted? (I mostly do my own maintenance, but if I get the Guzzi, i'm planning on having the dealer perform the first service)
2. With V7 II coming out at some point this year (hopefully before the season starts), should i pay the full price for '15 model or wait for the new prices announced and go from there?
3. Since the bike will be sitting for two weeks at a time sometimes, anything i need to be concerned about?
4. If i'll be getting one before the winter is over, i don't think i'll be winterizing it. What would the procedure be then to keep the bike in good shape? Start it up and let it idle for a few minutes once a week or so, or go for a few mile ride?
5. Things to look out and check for before every ride? ( basically asking if Guzzis are any different in this matter as suppose to other bikes. I.e. Check oil, brakes, lights etc.)
6. I've read a lot about the ease of maintenance, but coming from a single cylinder i have to ask, how easy is it? I.e. how much time does it take you to check and adjust (if needed obviously) the valves after you've done it once? How long does it take you to change the oil? (My understanding is that there are 3 places that need oil/fluid change at regular intervals? Engine, tranny and final drive?
7. What's the likelihood of the V7 being stolen if parked on a street overnight? Not everyday, just once in a while.
8. I've read that the updated ('13 and up) are pretty much trouble free, but have seen a couple posts complaining about some serious issues. I.e. one guy complaints that his tranny is gone, another seeing leaks in the heads etc. Occasionally, here and there, i see people complaining about serious issues. I understand that it's one in a hundred if not more, but i'd still like to hear what (if any) issues have you had with your updated V7. Not to discourage myself, but rather be aware of the possible issues.
I maybe forgetting a few things, so i'll probably add them later on.
I know it's on a longish side, but i'm planning on keeping this bike for a long long time and would like to be sure i'm on the right path.
In simple words, i want you guys to convince me to buy a Guzzi.
Truly appreciate your time and effort!
Thank you all in advance!
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You aren't going to Sicily then Paris , right ? ;D Sorry , last guy from NYC kinda acted poorly :D
OK Vasco or Kev m , answer this mans questions .
Dusty
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Oh, no no no! Not the type!
It took me so long to write this that i'd have to be stupid and have nothing better to do than wasting mine, and everybody else's time!
I'm here and here to stay! :) no Sicily for me! Definitely no Paris! I'd love to tour all of the States though when i get a chance :)
- Joe
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Hey JP glad you think we're OK, I guess we have gotten some bad press on some other forums. Have a good time here.
I don't have a newer bike but I'd think no more miles than you're talking about riding, maintence is not gonna be a big deal.
Park on the street in Brooklyn? That seems pretty crazy to me, but then I don't live there. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, but I don't leave a bike outside in SW Missouri.
Sure, you hear about some little problems with the small blocks but I'd be willing to bet there are a bunch of happy riders for every one of those problems you read about here.
I'm sure you'll get more input soon. Have fun! ;D
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JP, I just bought my first Guzzi just over 2 weeks ago. I can tell you that it's worth it. Nothing I've ever ridden feels like a Guzzi, when they say that the bikes feel alive, it's true. I'm absolutely in love with the engine on my Breva 1100. I went with an 1100 instead of the 750 because I like doing longer rides on the open road. The 750 is a damn near perfect city bike, the 1100 is ok in the city, but that's not it's element.
If you're willing to do your own maintenance, almost anything else you get is going to be harder to work on. With the cylinders sticking right at your face I'd say it's about as easy as it can get.
If you're going to ride it every 2 weeks you should be ok for the winter.
Oil changes in the engine are about every 6000 miles, the tranny and final drive every 12000 (those are the intervals on the breva 1100). Some Guzzis (not entirely sure with the V7) take 10W-60 sythetic engine oil, fair price for it is about $10 a quart and it's hard to find. You'll have to order it as no one I asked carries it on a regular basis except for dealerships. The gearbox and final drive take gear oil. Changing the oils is as easy as drain, cap and refill.
Check the oil every now and then before you ride. Guzzis will weep oil from various gaskets and breathers over time, but as long as there is nothing dripping on the floor under it, then you're fine. This comes directly from the folks at Moto International in Seattle.
Guzzis are among the bikes that are LEAST likely to get stolen. I read a survey that listed the top 10 and bottom 10 most likely bikes to be stolen. They're rare so it's easy to spot when one comes up for sale after it's stolen. Also, no one wants to steal (or buy) a 750 with only 48hp unless they're crazy guzzi riders. The most stolen bikes are gixxers and other crotch rockets that gansters with small penises want to boost their ego. Not to say it wouldn't happen, but a goose is about as safe a bet there is. The least likely bike to be stolen is a Ural, because most people can't figure out how to get the parking break off, let alone move 750 lbs worth of russian scrap metal... (I kid, I'd love a Ural)
A test ride might to convince you to buy a Guzzi but you really should borrow one for a few days or rent one if the possibility exists. Live with one for a bit and see if it speaks to you. I had buyer's remorse until I actually got out and rode mine for a while, that thing makes me smile every time I lay into the throttle.
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I'll help with the points I can
3. Good grief no! It's a motorbike not a piece of ice sculpture!
4. On no account start it for short periods of time. Nothing is worse for a motor than starting it and not getting it up to operating temperature. To do that it has to work. Idling isn't work. If you ride it in winter make sure it's for at least 20 miles at a time.
5. Same as any other vehicle.
6. As long as you don't screw about with things you shouldn't screw with servicing a single TB Smallblock is so easy it would make an imbecile weep.
7. Where I live I don't even lock my house unless I'm going away for a few days. I once went away for three weeks and when I came back I found I'd left the key in the Griso. It was still there when I got back. I'm a long way from Brooklyn though. ;)
8. Every brand produces a screaming turd from time to time. From what I've seen of rantings of those who have *serious problems* most of them seem to have poor dealership support, (Choose carefully who you buy from.) and though it may be misinterpreted they mostly seem to be barely literate Gints with a belief that everything should work for them even if they have no idea about, well, anything.
As long as you don't screw about with them the single TB V7's are a great little bike. I delivered one to a new owner today and while I was taking it out for its pre-delivery flog, sorry, 'Test Ride' I realised once again what a charming little bike it is. Do I want one? No, not now, but in a decade? Also if they do make a mini Stelvio with the stuff we've discussed before......
Pete
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JProdun; my ex - wife had a Breva 750 (basically the same bike, but with different bodywork), and she rode it all over the country. One year, we took a 5,000 mile trip to Colorado from Massachusetts. Another time we rode out to Wisconsin then up to the Great Lakes. It's a strong and pretty durable machine. Maintenance is very easy. The chances of your bike getting stolen if parked on the street are no better than any other bike. Just be forewarned; your cheeks will be very sore from the perpetual grin you'll be wearing.
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If you only read one of my answers - go to #4!
1. Based on the threads and posts from people who had warranty issues, i came to understand that dealer and manufacturer support is weak at best. So if any of you had good experiences - i'll be happy to hear them! Also, foes anyone have any experience with Vespa of Brooklyn (closest Guzzi dealer to me)? Or maybe could recommend someone near me who could be trusted? (I mostly do my own maintenance, but if I get the Guzzi, i'm planning on having the dealer perform the first service)
2. With V7 II coming out at some point this year (hopefully before the season starts), should i pay the full price for '15 model or wait for the new prices announced and go from there?
3. Since the bike will be sitting for two weeks at a time sometimes, anything i need to be concerned about?
4. If i'll be getting one before the winter is over, i don't think i'll be winterizing it. What would the procedure be then to keep the bike in good shape? Start it up and let it idle for a few minutes once a week or so, or go for a few mile ride?
5. Things to look out and check for before every ride? ( basically asking if Guzzis are any different in this matter as suppose to other bikes. I.e. Check oil, brakes, lights etc.)
6. I've read a lot about the ease of maintenance, but coming from a single cylinder i have to ask, how easy is it? I.e. how much time does it take you to check and adjust (if needed obviously) the valves after you've done it once? How long does it take you to change the oil? (My understanding is that there are 3 places that need oil/fluid change at regular intervals? Engine, tranny and final drive?
7. What's the likelihood of the V7 being stolen if parked on a street overnight? Not everyday, just once in a while.
8. I've read that the updated ('13 and up) are pretty much trouble free, but have seen a couple posts complaining about some serious issues. I.e. one guy complaints that his tranny is gone, another seeing leaks in the heads etc. Occasionally, here and there, i see people complaining about serious issues. I understand that it's one in a hundred if not more, but i'd still like to hear what (if any) issues have you had with your updated V7. Not to discourage myself, but rather be aware of the possible issues.
1. I moved from NY two decades ago so I can't help there, except to say that Moto Borgotaro looks like the place I'd try. EDIT - crap, just read in another thread that they don't like new ones.
2. V7II won't be here until LATE next year (yeah, I think some are saying late summer early fall, but if I were a betting man I'd probably put my money on Nov or Dec). That said, unless I really wanted ABS or the extra leg room, I'd not worry about it. I'd try to get some sort of discount on the current one (maybe a closeout, or winter is here pricing).
3. NO - since I work at home and have two little kids each in my fleet of bikes often sit a week or two. That said I do like to put them on a battery tender once in a while (if they are sitting longer, like through winter).
4. NO NO NO F'N NO F'N WAY - STUPID STUPID STUPID - DO NOT DO THAT. The absolute WORST thing you can do to any internal combustion engine is start it and not fully warm it up. ESPECIALLY with an air-cooled bike in winter temps that means if you're not going to ride it at LEAST 20-30 miles / 30-60 minutes, DON'T START IT. Cold start ups cause the most engine wear and most oil contamination and do absolutely nothing positive to help the bike. Hell, in most cases they won't even recharge the battery from what it took to start the bike. DON'T DO IT - am I clear on this or do you need me to elaborate? ;)
5. EVERY ride? Well, EVERY ride I do a quick visual inspection - just eyeball stuff. Nothing looks loose or sitting out of place, the brake light works, etc. At LEAST eyeball the tires. I probably check tire pressure every couple of months, and oil no more than every few weeks unless I've been riding it A LOT. But that's because I get to know my bikes. I check things more in the beginning and once I get a feel for them then I check less often.
6. Maintenance couldn't be easier on these bikes. Change engine oil and check valves every 6k or so. Engine oil takes maybe a half hour, valves maybe an hour or more if you're REALLY anal-retentive like me. Trans and final drive oil is changed every other service for maybe another half hour.
7. Guzzi is an incredibly small market, so thieves can't really sell parts or bikes with any ease. That said, ANYTHING can get stolen. I can't speak about your neighborhood. Honestly though I would cry leaving my bike on the street all the time. If you're only going to ride it on occasional weekends, maybe look at a bike only parking garage. I've heard of a few in NYC that have work spaces and whatnot too.
8. I ordered mine from the Philly dealer the second I heard the new V7 Stone was going to be available. I've only got a little over 7k miles on it in the almost 2 years I've had it, but it has been essentially trouble free. It stumbles a little on cold starts unless I warm it up, but that's the closest thing I've had to a complaint and so I haven't been back to the dealer for anything.
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Good advise from all, as an ex New Yorker I would wait for ABS. It saved my ass on the Norge. All it takes is once. Don't know much about the Brooklyn dealer.
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Looks like all your initial questions have been answered.
As far as a dealer, you might want to make the 1 1/2 hour drive here:
http://www.eurosports.net/
About the same distance for me, and I was satisfied with buying my '14 V7 Special from them. Ask for Rick.
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Nice bikes- not much to sort. Joe T here (sign216) has posted some nice videos on basic service. No reason you can't do it yourself.
Buying a used, low mileage V7 shouldn't be out of the question. There's no huge difference between the models and if several thousand bucks sounds attractive, it will leave you left over cake to buy a hipster jacket and tight jeans. At the same, a well cared for V7 from one of the faithful will have the little niggles worked out.
As for the rare stories of nightmares- I find that hard to believe. This platform is proven and there's nothing adventurous or "state of the art" to crap out.
The power thing shouldn't be a real issue. You are on pretty flat ground and won't be lugging heavy gear up huge rolling hills, so who cares. I'd argue that the smaller, lighter package will only make it handier around town.
As for leaving it on the street, your call. I don't leave Ginger outside in a light rain.
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Buying a used, low mileage V7 shouldn't be out of the question. There's no huge difference between the models and if several thousand bucks sounds attractive, it will leave you left over cake to buy a hipster jacket and tight jeans.
Uhhhhhh, PERSONALLY, I think there is.
Maybe the basic frame/motor are the same, but the 1TB's are pretty significantly different than the 2TBs to me.
1. Metal tank (except for that one year the 2TBs had the smaller plastic tank)
2. Easier maintenance - no throttle bodies to balance or TPS to adjust, don't need to remove tank to get to anything - easy access to air cleaner under the tank
3. Tubeless cast wheels (Stone vs. V7C)
4. More torque at lower rpm, allows for a different feel from the saddle.
5. Mysterious oil consumption problem seemingly GONE on the new 1TBs.
Sure, there's more similar than dissimilar between them, but the newer 1TBs have upgrades that, as an owner, I consider significant.
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Oh wow! Didn't expect so much feedback in such a short period of time! Truly appreciate!
In regards to weeping oil through various gaskets and breathers over time, it isn't something a new gasket won't fix correct?
I'm not going to get even close to 7000 miles in two years. I hope I could, but in the current situation i just can't.
The dealer in PA has a '14 Special with a great price tag, but bot the color combo i like, and while i do like spoked rims, i would prefer tubeless tires.
Bike is something i prefer new. I never bought a brand new car, but cars are a different story for me. Bike has to be new so I know every little things that's been done to it and the type of ownership it was under.
I had time to visit the dealer i mentioned in my original post and i've had a pleasant experience with sales personnel (unfortunately this can't be said about most of the dealers i've visited, especially in NY). The service department - i no nothing about, but will have to find people who have dealt with them.
Now, in regards to break in period, what's the widely accepted technique in the Guzzi community? I know there are two general camps on this, but would like to know which has proven to be the best for Guzzi bikes in general as well as small blocks in particular.
Truly appreciate all of your replies!
Thanks a lot!
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P.S. Typing on a touch screen sucks... Lots of mistakes.
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Most Guzzisti would probably advise a rigorous break-in. Some would say flog it, others to vary speed and load.
I think universally we'd probably say not to baby it too much and prevent the rings from seating well.
I fall into the vary it camp.
I found my V7 Stone to require more of a break-in/loosening up period than any other bike I've ever owned. The difference by maybe 5k was amazing, felt much more willing to rev.
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The dealer in PA has a '14 Special with a great price tag, but bot the color combo i like, and while i do like spoked rims, i would prefer tubeless tires.
http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=61524
Here you go, grab these with all the money you save on the '14 Special.
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Vary camp is the one i usually follow. I'd usually go easy for 50 to 100 miles (depending on the bike) and won't be too concerned about the break in after that. Doesn't mean i only shift at red lines after the first 100 miles, just no babying.
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Vary camp is the one i usually follow. I'd usually go easy for 50 to 100 miles (depending on the bike) and won't be too concerned about the break in after that. Doesn't mean i only shift at red lines after the first 100 miles, just no babying.
Perfect in my book...
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http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=61524
Here you go, grab these with all the money you save on the '14 Special.
Those are good looking wheels!
I am a former Elmhurst queens resident, my brother lives on St. Marks place between 4th and 5th aves. I now live near Bear Mt. in Monroe NY.
I had warranty work done on my Griso at Brooklyn Vespa and they were prompt and professional. Moto Borogato is a restoration shop for all European bikes, Works performance is over by Macarran Park and are under new management if not new ownership.
As noted in another thread there are competent "shade tree" mechanics in the area who will be happy to walk you through the basics in an afternoon. There is no reason to return to the dealer after purchase. If your dealer is not on the short list i wouldn't trust the set up, nor would I have them do the first service. DIY is a cheaper and safer bet. Just make sure to document everything you do in terms of maintenance: Receipts for the correct oil, filters and wear parts and inspection intervals for the valves, etc. to cover yourself if something goes wrong and you need warranty service.
Post here after you get your bike and see who wants to come over and give you the benefit of our experience.
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In regards to weeping oil through various gaskets and breathers over time, it isn't something a new gasket won't fix correct?
Unfortunately the spoked wheels on the V7 special aren't tubeless like they are on the Griso, I hope the change that for the V7II
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I lived in or commuted to Manhattan for a decade, parking my motorcycles on the street about seven months a year. Never had a bike stolen but they got knocked down regularly and parts stolen off them. Garage it.
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I parked my Triumph on the street in prospect heights for years. Big chain on the front wheel, steering locked. It is rarely a problem. Get the right insurance, free new bike!
Try motorcycle mall in Belleville nj, five miles away. Cheaper than brooklyn by far.
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I parked my Triumph on the street in prospect heights for years. Big chain on the front wheel, steering locked. It is rarely a problem. Get the right insurance, free new bike!
Try motorcycle mall in Belleville nj, five miles away. Cheaper than brooklyn by far.
Do NOT go near the Motorcycle Mall for a Guzzi. There's a reason I drove 1 1/2 hours from south Jersey to Eurosports in PA. Initial setup is everything with a new Guzzi. If they do it right, you should never have to go back unless some major warranty issue needs to be addressed.
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I hear people say set-up is important, and maybe it has been in the past. But my observation on new V7S suggest a lot of the ones I've come across just plain weren't set up (clutches out of adjustment, cable poorly routed, plug wires rubbing on tank etc.).
Just WHAT are they setting up?
And since it seems like nothing, then maybe, just maybe, they're coming out of the factory kinda right these days.
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I hear people say set-up is important, and maybe it has been in the past. But my observation on new V7S suggest a lot of the ones I've come across just plain weren't set up (clutches out of adjustment, cable poorly routed, plug wires rubbing on tank etc.).
Just WHAT are they setting up?
And since it seems like nothing, then maybe, just maybe, they're coming out of the factory kinda right these days.
Yes, small stuff like that. They also took mine for a test ride to make sure fueling was spot on. Any low speed surging, etc. may have been detected? Maybe one of the dealers will chime in to let us know exactly what they do?
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Yes, small stuff like that. They also took mine for a test ride to make sure fueling was spot on. Any low speed surging, etc. may have been detected?
Nah, what would they have done about it? It's not like they are adjusting maps. They load the canned OEM or not.
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"In regards to weeping oil through various gaskets and breathers over time, it isn't something a new gasket won't fix correct?"
Get some Allen wrenches and snug up the fasteners in the vicinity of the weepage. Vibration, temperature cycling and metallurgy are strange bed fellows.
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Nah, what would they have done about it? It's not like they are adjusting maps. They load the canned OEM or not.
I also took it for a short spin. I do know this, if it ran like crap I wouldn't have signed the papers.
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I also took it for a short spin. I do know this, if it ran like crap I wouldn't have signed the papers.
Sure, but to be fair, you could have done that a M Mall too.
I think it's rare that one runs like crap, and when it DOES then the dealership typically tests/replaces parts - like the TBI unit and viola.
This isn't the old days where they can adjust mixtures via screws or jets, or even balance EFI throttle bodies.
So unless they have a Rexxer or something they're not adjusting maps, and even then, they'd probably charge extra for that.
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Good to hear about professionalism of the Brooklyn Vespa! They seem alright, but what do I know!
I've been to Motorcycle Mall and didn't like it there. Doubt i would either buy a bike from them or have them service it. A guy, who I almost bought W650 from, had service/troubleshooting done by them and they haven't fixed the problem but charged $300 and told him he's good to go. A few miles later bike stalled on the highway.
Shade tree mechanics are a golden dozen. I have one for my car, but haven't needed one for my bike yet. So will be looking. Doesn't seem like there are many of them in NYC.
In regards to the "upgrades" i'm looking to make with the bike, here's the list:
1. Crash Bars (seen a bike that took a fall with these and engine cases weren't touched at all).
2. Sump extender (i've read through a lot of mixed opinions, but based on what I understand, it's just a good thing to have for security purposes).
3. Aftermarket mufflers (thinking Mistral? Based on what i've seen and heard, they're pretty good on the V7s).
4. K&N air filter (not a pod, just replacement for the stock. Always used K&N in all of my vehicles and am happy with their performance).
5. Having the exhaust and the filter changed, i'm assuming i'd need the ECU reflash? (Have read a few threads where Todd was mentioned? Excuse my lack of knowledge, but how exactly and where exactly can the reflash done if needed.) i'm assuming, like most bikes, V7 comes lean from the factory. And after the upgrades it could become even leaner and that's why the reflash needs (or doesn't it?) to be done?
The rest of the stuff would be cosmetic, so not as important.
Now, anyone has a center stand? Can one keep both, the side and the center stands? Is it needed or waste of money and extra weight?
Thanks again for all of your help and opinions! Truly appreciate!
- Joe
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I'm on board with everything you're taking about except the K&N, and you probably don't "need" a reflash, but if you want it you will have to remove your entire throttle body and ECM (it's one piece) and send it to CA for Todd to reflash.
I've got the centerstand and the Euro side stand and love them. You don't "need" the EU side stand but it's nice.
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PS, I don't think the K&N does anything you WANT for the V7 since you're not really gonna make any more appreciable power with this mill, the heads being the limiting factor. All it will do is potentially let more damaging contaminants into the cylinders.
As for the reflash the ECM will self adjust, seemingly from reports better than many. If you only change pipes I think it won't wind up any leaner in closed-loop operation. And, I'm of the opinion most people make to much of the epa lean tuning as it's clean and efficient and doesn't harm the motor. And again, on this motor it's not like running pig rich is gonna get you down the road measurably quicker.
I love getting 50-55 MPG on my V7 Stone while enjoying the hell out of the ride.
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Thank you Kev!
Not looking for extra power. Better sound (of course a subjective thing for everybody) - yes. I'm relatively new to motorcycling and as far as my understanding goes, if you're running too lean, it could cause some type of engine damage down the road? Same goes for running too rich. Was asking about reflash, so the bike would run the way it's suppose to with aftermarket pipes and filter. I would probably agree on the filter with you. If i gain nothing and could only be doing bad - then it's a no go.
I understand euro side stand is shorter? Would center stand work with the stock side stand?
About self adjusting ECUs, my previous bike had one supposedly, but after i was done with mechanicals, it was running extremely lean and no amount of miles helped it. So PCV came to the rescue. That's why i'm a bit worried. I want only pleasant experience with V7.
Thanks again!
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Well yes, "too" lean or rich can damage a motor. But some people start with the premise the OEM mapping is too lean and I don't necessarily share that view.
Guzzi states, and the experience of some members here seems to verify, that the new V7 can self adjust to reasonable changes in the exhaust.
There are only a limited number of common accessory exhausts and, assuming they run baffles and aren't too far from stock diameter and length, you'll likely be fine running them with no other changes.
Open the airbox ALSO and you might be doing too far. So, do what others here have done (add pipes like the Mistrals and you should be fine).
You CAN use the stock US side stand with the centerstand, BUT you must always deploy first, whichever stand you deployed last. So if you collapse the side stand, then take it off the centerstand you won't be able to deploy the side stand again until you put it on the centerstand. Make sense? The US side stand is too long and fouls the centerstand. I ran mine that way only until I could get the shorter EU side stand.
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Understood. Thank you again Kev!
Now a bit about the cosmetics. I love the bike overall, but was never a big fan of the stock rear fenders. They seem to be too long. At least in my opinion.
I know there are a few companies/shops/people, or at least a couple that i've seen, that sell fender eliminator kit. Anyone has any experience with these? I would assume riding over puddles without a fender is not much fun though, so did anyone just cut their fenders to their liking?
And last, but not least - what's the best service manual for the V7s?
Thanks a lot!
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There are some good looking fender eliminator/tail tidy kits available. Go for it.
I haven't used them, but yes, expect to get wetter from a puddle. Of course, if it's raining you probably have water coming from above too.
Best service manual, LOL, you're speaking my language since I write service manuals for a living. It's a real easy question with the V7, there's only the OEM available. It consists of multiple editions that can be downloaded from Guzzitech.
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Lol, got it. Thanks a lot!
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Holy crap, my little bro (Jas67) sent me this link this morning.
Not too far away, only 500 miles, and a KILLER price. Would save you enough money for ALL the modifications you're talking about (assuming you like the color). Hell, you'd have enough left over to buy the Stone cast wheels:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/4790797117.html
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Holy crap, my little bro (Jas67) sent me this link this morning.
Not too far away, only 500 miles, and a KILLER price. Would save you enough money for ALL the modifications you're talking about (assuming you like the color). Hell, you'd have enough left over to buy the Stone cast wheels:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/4790797117.html
For that matter, at this price, you'd have enough left over to fix the color too.
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I would not buy a Moto Guzzi from a place called "Motorcycle Mall" for the same reason I would not buy fine art from a place called "Paintings R Us," (with the "R" facing backwards; you get the idea).
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For that matter, at this price, you'd have enough left over to fix the color too.
I noticed this ad while cruising Craig's last night too. That is a "new" bike with a super low price. Run, don't walk!
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I've seen a fee with good prices, but since i don't want another project - i'll skip. Id rather just get what i want and leave it at that. Knowing myself - i just won't be able to stop with wheels and paint (paint would be expensive too!).
I'm waiting for the show next weekend to make my final decision, but as of now, V7 is on top of my list.
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Another question i had come up was about the dry clutch. I've only owned bike with wet clutches and they were bulletproof. What do i need to know about the dry clutch on the V7 not mess it up? Is it a single plate? How's the service if i do mess it up?
Thanks!
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Another question i had come up was about the dry clutch. I've only owned bike with wet clutches and they were bulletproof. What do i need to know about the dry clutch on the V7 not mess it up? Is it a single plate? How's the service if i do mess it up?
Thanks!
Bullet proof. Single plate. Easy Peasey. If you wade through the Aero engine thread, there's pix of it disassembled.
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I'm waiting for the show next weekend to make my final decision, but as of now, V7 is on top of my list.
What else are you looking at because I'm under the impression MG (and the whole Piaggio line) will not be at the show (as usual).
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Thanks!
A whole list of potentials. Different brands and riding styles. No sports though.
Piaggio group won't be at the show, but i've visited the dealer a couple of times in the last two months. Local dealership told me a couple of weeks ago that they might come through, but weren't sure. So i'm going there just to get a feel of the other bikes i'm "kinda" interested in.
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Interesting , that $6K V7 is in "sellersville" , guess they mean it ;D
Dusty
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Thanks!
A whole list of potentials. Different brands and riding styles. No sports though.
Piaggio group won't be at the show, but i've visited the dealer a couple of times in the last two months. Local dealership told me a couple of weeks ago that they might come through, but weren't sure. So i'm going there just to get a feel of the other bikes i'm "kinda" interested in.
Have fun whatever you decide!
RIDE SAFE,
Kev
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Thank you!
I'll report after the show.
I'll probably post more questions before then though.
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The list would something like this:
1. V7 Stone.
2. Bonneville T100.
3. W650 (wish W800 was available). I know i won't get to see it at the show, but i'm still including it as an option.
4. SR400.
5. Bolt Spec C or R.
6. Sportster 883.
7. Scout.
8. Scrambler.
It's not that i'm seriously considering every bike from the list. It's more like just attending the show to see those bikes.
Top contenders are the first three on the list. They're the ones i'm serious about.
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I totally get most if not all of that list as I've owned, own, or have ridden them.
I'll probably still buy a Bonnie eventually, though I'd never get rid of most of what I have for one.
I was riding my bud's W650 a lot this past summer and I really want one, though I'd not trade my V7 for one.
I want to add a Scout to the fleet. I might trade my Buell for one.
The fit and finish on the Bolt is nice, but I love Sportsters and would not trade mine for a Bolt.
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Glad to hear!
I was somewhat embarrassed to post the list of "prospective" future machines, but seems like we have similar tastes. At least with you :)
I would love a cruiser/bobber as a second bike, but unfortunately, living in Nee York, it's pointless at this time. I also have two little kids, day job and a business to run, so am very limited on the riding time. So having two bikes, while barely having time even for one, is a waste. At least of my money. Also have only one spot in my friends garage. Living in an apartment myself.
I would have kept my previous bike if I could. A lot of time (and some money) was put into that little thing. Loved it, but had to go.
And that's why i'm looking for a do-it-all bike that I won't want to sell after a year of ownership (read: won't get bored with it) and keep it for as long as it lasts.
In regards to the Guzzi, it is kind of a love from the first sight. I remember seeing a V7 in Lower East Side even before I seriously started riding and it just stuck in my head. I still remember the exact location and the color of the bike. Didn't know the make and model back then, but now i do and seriously thinking it will become my next, and hopefully long lasting, machine.
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This past summer my wife and I went through some large life changes that involved her finishing fellowship, getting a job in another state, selling our old house and moving in with some friends for a few months while giving birth to our son and then eventually moving to a new state, starting said job and buying a new house.
In that time frame I had to move and store MOST of our bikes, with only room to hang onto one for the summer.
The choice was easy and I stored everything but the V7, which solidified my own feelings that if I had to have just one, that would be it.
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Went to IMS today. Guzzi wasn't present.
Out of everything I went to check out, Indian Scout really surprised me. It doesn't feel heavy at all and build quality seems to be top notch. Unfortunately i'm not a cruiser guy and can't have two bikes, so i'll have to pass at this time.
Fz-07 feels really nice, but just not my type.
Now, what i didn't intend to see was Polaris's Slingshot and man I love the think. It is all plastic fantastic with a GM engine, but I just love the idea and really want one, but again, not a bike in my eyes and don't have room for it. Maybe one day when they'll be dirt cheap.
Overall show is really weak and sales people weren't all very friendly, but whatever. I did get what I want out of it, so no regret there.
Now i'll be searching for a well priced V8. First in my area, and If I won't get the price i want, then Tri-State and nationwide search. No rush, so got some time on my hands.
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Now i'll be searching for a well priced V8. First in my area, and If I won't get the price i want, then Tri-State and nationwide search. No rush, so got some time on my hands.
I assume you meant "V7", and not "V8".
That low-miles V7 Special for $6k is still listed on the Philly Craigslist. It might still be available. That is definitely a deal.
There was recently a 2009 V7 Classic with very low miles listed on eBay for $4,200, but, that might have been Left-Coast, I can't remember.
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well,
life is certainly far more interesting when you own a guzzi.
and secondly, ride it like you stole it because it's certainly not all about the numbers on the paper.
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Yeah, that was meant to be a V7.
I've put together a list of great and good deals all around the country. I know i'm probably wrong about this, but I just prefer buying bikes new. Also prefer the updated version, '13 and up.
So the first thing i'm going to try to do is to have my local dealer come down on the price and fees. And if that doesn't work out, then i'll be looking elsewhere.
The sales person told me that whatever i have in mind - we could always work out a deal. So let's see.
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I'm not sure if we posted this already in this thread, but there is very little margin in a V7 Stone, and probably not much more in a Special.
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Yeah, that was meant to be a V7.
I've put together a list of great and good deals all around the country. I know i'm probably wrong about this, but I just prefer buying bikes new. Also prefer the updated version, '13 and up.
So the first thing i'm going to try to do is to have my local dealer come down on the price and fees. And if that doesn't work out, then i'll be looking elsewhere.
The sales person told me that whatever i have in mind - we could always work out a deal. So let's see.
I understand preferring new. As for preferring the updated version, that $6k one in Philly is a '13, with quite low miles. If you think you want a V7II, then it might be worthwhile to buy the $6k '13 to ride until the V7II are available, and then trade up.
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I apologize for not updating my thread and keeping you guys posted...
Unfortunately it isn't due to a lot of riding on a new bike...
First, thank you all again for your help and advice!
Now, unfortunately, my financial situation has taken a turn for the worse and I haven't been able to justify a large purchase like that of a new bike or another loan.
I'm still visiting the forum and read on all the vast information it contains!
I'll keep you all posted when things change and I'll get a new machine.
Thanks again!
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FWIW
I'm paranoid and check myCali's oil and tyres before every ride. Try that for a few months until a pattern of "behavior" emerges ;D
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I apologize for not updating my thread and keeping you guys posted...
Unfortunately it isn't due to a lot of riding on a new bike...
First, thank you all again for your help and advice!
Now, unfortunately, my financial situation has taken a turn for the worse and I haven't been able to justify a large purchase like that of a new bike or another loan.
I'm still visiting the forum and read on all the vast information it contains!
I'll keep you all posted when things change and I'll get a new machine.
Thanks again!
Don't rush finances.
How anyone even gets by in the NYC metro area is a mystery to me.
In good time -- and you'll know when -- you'll have a motorcycle, and it'll be all the sweeter for the wait. Trust me. It's the rare Guzzi out there that isn't owned by someone who hasn't been where you are now.
Best wishes ...
Bill
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Well, looks like i bought a bike today.
It's a '14 Stone in black with 1000 on the clock. Dealer had it as a fleet. Had already done the 600 mile service and recent oil change. No prep fees, so saved quite a penny there. Sold as a new vehicle with full 2 year warranty.
Will bring it home sometime this week.
Questions to follow :)
Appreciate everyone's help on here!
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You VILL like it! ;D :BEER:
Congrats.
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Congrats!
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Brought it home this Friday. Was a lovely ride, though i didn't get to enjoy it much due to rush hour traffic and extremely limited time on my end. But man that torque is so sweet! And all the mechanical sounds the engine makes!
Pipes will have to go though... Have Mistrals on my mind. And mirrors... Can't see a thing behind me no matter how much i tried to adjust them. Round bar ends would probably be my choice as I had them on my previous bike and enjoyed the visibility as well as the look on the bike.
Didn't have a chance to take it out this weekend, but am planning on putting some miles on this thing during this season.
By the way, i'm not really a fan of luggage (also because both the brackets and bags are really expensive) and prefer back packs for that matter. So, can anyone recommend a large back pack? Something really durable like military and somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 50L, so it won't look extremely big and awkward on my back.
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We've discussed previously about starting the bike in the winter time. If i'll do that, then I gotta go ride it for 20-30 minutes or 30-60 miles.
Now, spring-summer time... I'm planning on using the bike to commute everywhere i can. The thing is though, everything is around me. My job - 15 minutes taking the streets. My school - 8 minutes. Store - 2 minutes... etc. so the question is whether it's a bad idea to take the bike on any of those short errands? Meaning it won't fully warm up as mentioned before and possibly damage the internals if done often?
Appreciate your help!
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I'd say generally the school and store are bad ideas UNLESS you take the long way there or home most of the time.
I'd probably suggest the same with the job too, but perhaps take the long way every other day or so.
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Thank you Kev!
I could take the long way to both work and school. Stretch it out to lets say 20 minutes? Would that be ok?
Sunday is my ride day, so i will be running it for longer than 20 minutes at a time, but most likely only once or twice a week.
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Also, what is it that's important for warm up? I mean, is it the time spent on the bike (i.e. 30-60 minutes) or the miles (i.e. the 20-30 miles)?
Because half an hour riding in Brooklyn, would equal to about 5 miles sometimes...
Apologies if the question a bit stupid. Looking to keep the bike for quite a while, but at the same time would like to use it as much as I can.
Thanks a lot!
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We've discussed previously about starting the bike in the winter time. If i'll do that, then I gotta go ride it for 20-30 minutes or 30-60 miles.
Now, spring-summer time... I'm planning on using the bike to commute everywhere i can. The thing is though, everything is around me. My job - 15 minutes taking the streets. My school - 8 minutes. Store - 2 minutes... etc. so the question is whether it's a bad idea to take the bike on any of those short errands? Meaning it won't fully warm up as mentioned before and possibly damage the internals if done often?
Appreciate your help!
I'm surprised that, living in a highly built-up area like you do, that you don't have a moped or scooter-sized vehicle for the 6 block rides to the stores. You're not going to hurt them taking short trips (that's what they're made for), you can stick a basket on the front or back to carry things. I know you can't afford a fleet of vehicles but something like a C70 Honda doesn't take up much room or money ... ?
Lannis
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Hi Lennis,
I'll give you a few reasons...
1. Don't have a garage and keeping three vehicles on a street (don't forget we have street cleaning around here) could get pretty difficult and time consuming.
2. My wife is not exactly happy having even two vehicles at a time. Whatever they are.
3. I do have to use my car quite often. Both for work and to go out as I have two little ones.
4. Scooters are simply bot for me. Just like a smart car that can't imagine driving.
That's that...
I've exaggerated about going to a store on a bike. Won't happen. Because it's either shopping for a week for the whole family (won't fit on a bike) or i could literally walk over there and it would take less time then getting anything started and driving or riding.
I'm just trying to see whether i could take my bike places without having to get out on a highway and run it for 20-30 miles at a time. Because while i could stretch my time getting places, I can't really put on the mentioned amount of miles running my errands. It would take forever riding on the streets.
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Hi JP, I've heard some stories of thefts in Brooklyn, even in Park Slope. In Venice Beach (CA) where I was for a while, it was pretty common, and very very common in SF/Oakland where I lived for 10 years. Having to rent out a garage is expensive, but maybe worth it. I've had trucks stolen and or vandalized which is a bummer. Would be a big bummer to have some idiot mess with such a nice bike.
Oh, and for backpacks I have a nice large dakine bag that doubles as a work/hiking bag. A tank bag would be more safer though. PS, congrats on the bike!
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Basically the question is whether i have to ride it at least 30 minutes at a time or does it have to be both, 30 minutes and 20+ miles?
Probably a stupid question, but gotta know.
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Basically the question is whether i have to ride it at least 30 minutes at a time or does it have to be both, 30 minutes and 20+ miles?
Probably a stupid question, but gotta know.
FWIW I asked Moto International that same question on my last month's purchase of a v7. I am not saying I feel 100% comfortable but they did tell me they did not believe it to be an issue (shortish trips like you mention). Just passing along.
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True about the garage, but the last time I had a garage, bike would just sit there for way longer than I ever wanted. It would take time to get in the car, drive to the garage etc. and then the same way backwards. So a lot of times I was like:Nah, too much headache. Don't want it to happen again. Want to put some miles on the beauty.
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True about the garage, but the last time I had a garage, bike would just sit there for way longer than I ever wanted. It would take time to get in the car, drive to the garage etc. and then the same way backwards. So a lot of times I was like:Nah, too much headache. Don't want it to happen again. Want to put some miles on the beauty.
:)
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Thank you Kev!
I could take the long way to both work and school. Stretch it out to lets say 20 minutes? Would that be ok?
Sunday is my ride day, so i will be running it for longer than 20 minutes at a time, but most likely only once or twice a week.
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Also, what is it that's important for warm up? I mean, is it the time spent on the bike (i.e. 30-60 minutes) or the miles (i.e. the 20-30 miles)?
Because half an hour riding in Brooklyn, would equal to about 5 miles sometimes...
There are 2 concerns, both of which I think you'll be fine with from what you're saying.
1. Battery charge - it takes some time to replace the amount of electricity your starter ate up when you started a vehicle. We used to be taught it CAN take as much as 20 minutes to do that, but I tend to think that's probably old thinking and modern charging systems, better starter motors, etc. mean it doesn't take that long, but what does it take, 5 minutes, 10 minutes? It takes something, and if you don't get out for longer rides once in a while, you may find your battery weak or dead at some point.
One random google data point:
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/57642/how-long-does-it-take-to-recharge-a-car-battery-after-starting
2. Oil and Moisture - every time you start a cold motor you produce more nasty byproducts of combustion that contaminate your oil. These byproducts combine with moisture that condenses every time a hot motor cools and form acids. Now the acids are neutralized by your oil additive package (which eventually runs out, that's why there are change intervals that are shorter for lots of local or extreme temp stuff). But the shorter the runs and colder the temps, the more likely you might be to suffer some wear/damage or even a catastrophic failure from ridiculously contaminated oil (the last one is VERY VERY rare, but good to be aware of on an air-cooled motor).
So 20 minutes in the winter is borderline, 20 minutes is the summer is fine, 30-40 minutes with lots of idling, you're probably peachy at least on the moisture, and the battery too as long as you're not running a ridiculous amount of heated gear.
As for the rest of the - get a scooter bla bla bla - it's well intentioned I guess. And there is merit to the suggestion.
But jezus where does it end?
It would be BETTER to get enough sleep, exercise regularly, not drink too much coffee, or alcohol, or take too many risks...
Or maybe screw it, within reason, I just want to have some frickin' fun.
Have FUN,
Kev
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I've used my 850T for running errands and short commutes since 1984. I did rebuild it sometime around 50,000 miles but jeez. I don't consider short trips in warm weather a serious issue. Just change the oil frequently and put a voltmeter on the bars so you can monitor the state of the battery.
Cold starts in wintertime are more damaging. When I lived in New York I garaged the bike in winter and used it only when the weather was decent by which I mean over 40F for long enough to clear the streets of any trace of ice. But my apartment building had a garage underneath so it wasn't a pain to get to the bike.
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Ok. I think I get the idea. Appreciate everyone's input!
I'll try to extend every trip to at least 20 minutes during summer, plus longish rides i'm going to do once a week or so, and winter, since I won't be riding it every day, will do longer than that.
Plus earlier oil changes.
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In regards to scooters, i completely understand that it was well intentioned. Apologies if my answer seemed rude as i did not intend it to be.
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Oh, should i use regular gas?
Use premium on my car, but have used regular on my previous bike. Had a 250 single.
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As for the 20 mile thing.............I accept all the good advise that wise men have provided about engine wear etc. - BUT so many people agonize about proper warm-up, the correct oil, perfect maintenance schedules etc, etc. then change their bikes like their underwear before they've ever even seen enough use to wear through a set of tyres.
Just ride it when you want. It'll probably outlast you anyway.
Nick
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Thanks Nick! I'm not that old though :)
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Thanks Nick! I'm not that old though :)
Even so! I doubt whether the people that owned the 1930s, 40s, 50s Nortons, BSAs, Panthers, Vincents, Harleys, AJS's etc. and rode them to work every single day ever gave a thought about warming their bikes up properly on their way to work or whether they were getting too many toxic chemicals in their oil. They just rode them. Some of them are still around - still being ridden. Perhaps yours will be too. Don't sweat it - it's just a bike.
Nick
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Again, really appreciate everyone's input and advice! It's an amazing community here and i'm proud to eventually be a part of it!
Now, a side question: how many, and what are the tools that were included with your bike? (Under the seat i'm assuming?)
Also, was there a service manual and warranty booklet as well?
Thanks a lot!
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Forget the tools that came with it- you should put together your own tool kit (lots of threads here on that). As for manuals, you can find them at Guzzitek.org. Others will chime in that the service manual only covers so much. Any self respecting Guzzisti needs to get a copy of Dave Richardson's Guzziology (go to Moto International).
Don't forget the red suspenders!!
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First, I kinda agree with everything else that's been said since yesterday regarding the distance thing.
I'm just laying out the theory of why you want to, more often than not, warm it up and make sure the battery is charged.
I'll try to extend every trip to at least 20 minutes during summer
No no, that's exactly when you should be fine with shorter trips.
The warmer it is out, faster it warms up, so the less contamination of the oil occurs (both during warm up and during hot/cold cycles), and heck, even the less energy is used by the battery to start it.
The colder it is out the opposite, so the more those things benefit you.
But generally speaking, unless we're talking extremes you'll be fine.
On the fuel thing, I believe it is spec'd for 91, and generally speaking that means that is what you should run. I experimented with 89 (because of some favorable reports on this board) but mine would ping a little too easily on that, so I generally don't do that. ESPECIALLY in the warmer months.
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How important is this plug? (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/01/5046f4d70b240d78923f8d5ca4c8b487.jpg)
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Used for setting the valves I believe.....find TDC etc.......prob have spiders in there and such? :>
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Congratulations on the new bike, how about a nice picture?
You should plug the hole with something to keep the vermin out, a bottle top or whatever fits. A few years back someone pulled the gearbox off his bike and found half a dozen of the plugs floating around inside.
If you can't avoid parking outside at least buy a proper m/c cover that will breath (not plastic, that would be worse than nothing). It will keep preying eyes and fingers away allowing the bike to dry off after riding in the rain.
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Thanks a lot everyone!
I'm missing the plug, so was worried an oil could be getting out of there.
I have a good cover and a lock for it, plus kryptonite chain with lock. Also, parking right in front of my window.
Thanks again!
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I used to ride past a nice looking yellow HD sportster sitting in a driveway covered in plastic. I stopped one day to have a word with the owner about getting a cover, I figured he might be a new owner, while waiting for him to come out I took a look it was in really rough shape with corrosion. I shouldn't have bothered, he was pissed that I disturbed him and threated to punch me out.
I can't wait till he tries to sell it on Craigslist ;D
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The timing-port plug is also important to keep rain out. It's a dry clutch and the bell housing does have a drain but if mud or insects get in there the drain can get plugged up with unhappy consequences for rust in the clutch plates and springs.
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Cover it up as soon as you can, but it's to keep crap out, not keep crap in.
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http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=1467
Under 2 bucks.
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Got the plug from the dealer right away
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(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/03/1b182d5a58beb7bedf0c23d2178a06d9.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/03/6435f313b8bd06a86e28040bef336991.jpg)
Maybe will post a video later if i'll get the time to upload
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I came to a conclusion that the reason i was heavily modifying my previous bike is because i wanted to have a certain feel when i ride. For some reason, the V7 just got it. Only mirrors and exhaust have to go. Everything else stays.
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Sweet... Enjoy
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That is one gorgeous bike.... congrats!
kinda new here... but thought i would chime in
personally, i would be rolling out the sleeping bag, and sleeping beside it ... although i am the paranoid type : )
btw, i have heard that a motorcycle cover will actualy detour unwanted attention when parking overnight...
all the best with the new addition to the family
winder
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Thanks all!
Got bad news today. I was parking the bike in front of my window (live on the ground floor) and apparently the management didn't like it, so they want me to move it on the street or elsewhere...
Don't feel like a street would be an option. Mainly to the way people park and not the theft problem...
Gotta find a solution now...
Other than that, went out for an early Sunday ride and had lots of fun!
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This may out of place and i feel like i'm posting to myself, but i've been trying to figure out how to creat a new post via phone app and did not succeed.
So my question:
Does anyone have any V7 Stone related aftermarket parts for sale? (Mufflers, crash bars, mirrors, anything else?)
Thanks
Joe
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Hi All,
Been hard to log in since WildGuzzi stopped using Tapatalk, but here I am.
Switched jobs and now commuting on the bike almost every day. No parking where I work and bike makes a lot of difference. Not a fan of public transportation.
Anyhow, I've been hearing these noises coming from the engine (being the paranoid type when it comes to noises and considering that it's still a new bike to me) and when stopped by the dealer, they told me that it's a normal noise because it's a dry clutch and that's how it sounds. Now, I'm not a mechanic, but it's still hard to believe that the loud tapping noise is the way it should sound. It mostly makes the noise when the bike is warmed up and is in neutral, but could also be heard when in gear with clutch out. Almost can't hear while in gear and clutch in or at high rpms...
I'm posting two videos. One of cold start and the other one after a ride. Please let me know what you think. I'm thinking that the clutch cable is loose, but again, I'm not a mechanic and also have no knowledge of how to tighten it.
Cold start:
https://youtu.be/jaa02GEfjwo
After a ride:
https://youtu.be/N8aCpcLV9NM
Another thing, sometimes, during a ride, usually low speed, low rpm and usually in lower gears, I could fel and hear as if the gears are grinding... I will try to capture the saound, but it's kinda difficult since it only happens when in gear and I gotta be riding and recording at the same time which I don't like to be doing. But is it a normal thing? Do any of you get the grinding feel through your foot pegs?
Thinking of having all the fluids changed. Wonder if that could be a good help... Most likely myself since it's not much of work.
Thank a lot! Really appreciate your input!
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Hi there. I ride a Breva 1100 and a Cali, so I'm no expert on V7s and stand to be corrected. However:
1) the sound taken at the front of the engine seems right to me; all I can hear is the Guzzi valve gear rattling - you should worry if it wasn't rattling, as that would mean the tappets were set too tight.
2) I assume that the extra noise I can hear when you record from the back of the bike is simply part of the exhaust note, otherwise it would be audible from the front too; so no worries there.
3) Guzzi clutches rattle when you pull the lever in, i.e. when you disengage the clutch. When you release the lever, i.e. when you engage the clutch, that noise should disappear. Perhaps this is what you are referring to?
4) I recently read there's another kind of rattle that can happen when releasing the clutch lever, which again is no problem, but I've never noticed that myself.
5) If you hear a new rattle, check for loose nuts and bolts; one time I thought my engine was falling apart, and it turned out that it was simply a loose rattling heat guard on one of the silencers!
With the engine sticking out both sides, you'll hear a lot of noises that are disguised in other engines. Don't let that spoil your enjoyment!
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I thought I'd listen to your videos again this morning and, having done so, I'm even more convinced that your bike sounds great - just like a real Guzzi should. Put some ear plugs in and go enjoy the ride.
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Sounds normal to me. Just ride it.
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I haven't listened to the videos since others did, but one point of difference:
Hi there. I ride a Breva 1100 and a Cali, so I'm no expert on V7s and stand to be corrected. However:
3) Guzzi clutches rattle when you pull the lever in, i.e. when you disengage the clutch. When you release the lever, i.e. when you engage the clutch, that noise should disappear. Perhaps this is what you are referring to?
The smallblock clutch makes noise in the opposite manner of my old big blocks (like my old B11). Late-model smallblocks make noise in neutral with the clutch engaged (lever released) and it goes away when you hold the lever/disengaging the clutch.
I have not cared enough to investigate why (EDIT - I should add that being used to Guzzi big blocks, this did take me by surprise when someone first pointed it out to me).
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Thank you guys a lot! One less thing for me to worry about! Todays ride was a lot less stressful since I know it's normal :)
Graham UK, I was going to say that by me it happens the opposite way, but then Kev chimed in and he is right on point about when the noise happens!
What do you guys think about the grinding gears noise/feel i experience? Am i overreacting here as well? It does come on pretty strong at times...
Also get occasional surging at low rpms... At around 3000/2500 and below...
Thanks a lot!
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I'm not good a judging sound from a video over the internet.
That said, what I DID HEAR sounded normal to me.
Now as for gear GRINDING that shouldn't happen UNLESS you blow a shift, and even then only in the middle of the blown shift before the gear in question engages or disengages.
If you're in gear, riding down the road under power and you hear/feel something like that when you're not shifting you're most likely hearing/feeling something ELSE. WHAT? I dunno, could be a brakes (pads lightly, or heavily, hanging up), or something in a wheel bearing etc. If it's intermittent I'd expect it to be brakes not bearing. But I really can't say.
I think you simply need someone more experienced to give it a listen, maybe a ride, and tell you what they hear/feel.
Surging, I've occasionally felt it a little bit at very low speeds, probably lower rpm than that but can't say for sure because it's low enough speed that I'm probably in first gear and not really looking at the tach. For me there was an updated map from the factory which seems to have had a bigger effect on low speed running than it did on cold starts (and ironically the later was the only reason I pursued it). Either way, if it's rare and not really bothering you I probably wouldn't give it much thought. Mild surging is going to occur sometimes on a bike like this. If it's only a such low rpms that you shouldn't be riding at them anyway (like 2500 to almost 3k) then don't worry about it.
IF you ARE trying to ride down the road at the mid 2k rpm range, then you're probably lugging the motor (which can lead to shaking and shuddering and other things that don't feel right), don't do that, downshift until your rpms are at least in the 3's.
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I agree with Kev m on all of this; I'd try keeping the revs a little higher than you are - that might well address both that odd sensation you've described and also the surging. You may also find that at the next Guzzi dealer service there might be a map update that makes things even smoother. And thanks Ken m for confirming that on small-blocks the clutch rattle happens when the lever is out, rather than when it's pulled in. That V7 is a lovely bike. Enjoy the ride.
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Yes, don't lug the engine. Let it spin. I'm typically running my 13 Stone somewhere between 4,000 and 5,500 rpm. Will not infrequently hit 6,000 when passing or on interstate. That's where this engine wants to be.
I'll go down to 3,500 rpm when I'm basically coasting down in speed when entering a town, or I'm just puttering along at 25 to 30 mph. But that's trailing throttle, or just off idle--not really asking the engine to do anything.
If in doubt, I say let it spin more, rather than not enough. Letting it rev does no harm, and I believe that keeping the revs up is easier on the con rod bearings, and will deliver a smoother, less "shocky" engine impulse through the transmission and out the final drive. Oil pressure is where it needs to be. And it's also safer--if you need to scoot away from a traffic threat, you want the engine to git up and go, not bog down and force you to fumble a downshift.
If the engine seems too "eager" at higher revs/lower speeds, put the index finger of your throttle hand on the front brake lever. That braces your throttle hand in place, and let's you give fine modulation to the throttle.
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Especially on smaller displacement engines, higher rpm's are your friend. I bet your engine feels smoother at 4,000 than at 3,500.
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Thank you all for great advice! All checks out!
The grinding noise I'm experiencing is gotta be something loose. Will go over that part when the pipes arrive.
In regards to pipes, I've ordered mistrals and have seen on this forum that shouldn't really bother reflashing the ecu just for the slip-ons. Now, does it mean both, if I'm running with or without the db killers?
Also, should I get the crossover pipe or it won't do much?
And last, but not least, I was looking to find the connectors for turn signals, both fronts and rears, on the bike. But couldn't find them so far with the time I had.
Thank you all so much!
P.S. Since I started commuting, I've started adding a few bits, so I promise to post a few pictures in a week or two when the last few things arrive.
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JProdun; my ex - wife had a Breva 750 (basically the same bike, but with different bodywork), and she rode it all over the country. One year, we took a 5,000 mile trip to Colorado from Massachusetts. Another time we rode out to Wisconsin then up to the Great Lakes. It's a strong and pretty durable machine. Maintenance is very easy. The chances of your bike getting stolen if parked on the street are no better than any other bike. Just be forewarned; your cheeks will be very sore from the perpetual grin you'll be wearing.
I'm with Crusty, my Breva 750 has been one of the best bikes I've had since I'm inseam challenged. The only thing I'd change would be a larger tank, I barely go 200 miles before I get uncomfortable. Jurgen