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Title: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Gliderjohn on January 16, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
Over the years and living in Kansas I have had the pleasure of observing military aircraft. Here are a few of the more memorable ones:

1970s - being "strafed" by a F-4 Phantom while in my 65 El Cameno on a rural road. About went in the ditch over that one!
1970s - Late Kansas Rep, David Kazitz and I were fishing a rural farm pond when a F-4 sneaked up on us and then lit the burners right over us. The plane came so close you could see the insignia on the crews' helmets.
1980s - Formation takeoff of four F4s in full afterburner. Just a bit of noise! ;D
1980s - Formation takeoff of two B-1 bombers in full afterburners at dusk. Also very loud.
1980s - At the B-1 inaugural at McConnell AFB. B-1 flies directly at us while we are sitting in a heated hanger maybe 100 ft up and then pulls a vertical with full burners. Felt every bone in my body vibrate. (Closed to the general public so they did not have to follow airshow rules.)
1980s - A B-1 is routed around my glider.
1980s - Two F-4 coming within a half mile of my glider at my altitude and wave wings at me.
1980s - Watch a A-10 Warthog less than 20 ft of the ground following a creek bed in the Flinthills of Kansas.

There were other events but those were the ones that really stick out. Anyone else with like encounters?
GliderJohn
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: twhitaker on January 16, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
Back in the late 50s we frequently heard the sonic booms of the B-58s that flew over.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: acogoff on January 16, 2015, 03:34:01 PM
     Strands of tin foil were a common sight in the fields I was cultivating up 'till about 1970.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rodekyll on January 16, 2015, 03:38:04 PM
As kids we'd watch the endless lines of these guys taking off and landing at McChord AFB in WA.  They would often be queued up with only two props spinning.  I don't think the lines -- often two queues inbound and two launching -- ever ended.

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd10/rodekyll1/af2_zps98a5fec2.jpg) (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/rodekyll1/media/af2_zps98a5fec2.jpg.html)

We also used to get buzzed by "shooting star" and F86 fighters when we were out in the dingles.  Dummy ordinance on the property was rare, but it did happen.  Mostly spent flares on parachutes, but sometimes little bomb casings about the length of a man's arm.

My favorite "buzz" story is when we were roofing the house and got strafed by a flight of some delta wing fighters.  A half-hour later a jeep came down the driveway and explained that we were casualties of the war game and our house had been destroyed.  My brother insisted that we'd defended ourselves and shot one down.  The umpire deleted an airplane.  It was fun, but we had to finish the roof.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: goozy on January 16, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
1978, spring, riding my Ducati 860 GT with a buddy on pillion close to the Hamilton Ontario Int. Air Show and some bastard! snuck up behind us, pulls a vertical with full burners straight up! RIGHT ABOVE US. Scarred the crap outta me, had to pull over and catch my breath. I was only 19 at the time and pretty hard to impress but that really left an impression on me! The noise was amazing!
Peter
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Curtis Harper on January 16, 2015, 04:02:36 PM
We are just about the middle between Whitman AFB and what used to be Richards-Gabauer AFB. Late 80's/early 90's on AF Reserve weekends, we would be entertained by some "Corner Drills" a they would (don't remember which type of planes) come screaming in from the west and just about the edge of the shop bank hard right and rattle the windows everytime. It was pretty awesome. Still get to see the B2's on a fairly regular basis.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: oldbike54 on January 16, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
Does getting buzzed by B52s on the hill we lived on outside of Austin 2 miles from Bergstrom AFB count . Or the Occasional Phantom , and about once a month the helicopter carrying LBJ to the ranch would fly over at REALLY low altitude . Once a group of guys in black suits confiscated all of the rifles on our hill because some genius had fired at an incoming B52  ::)

  Dusty
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: charlie b on January 16, 2015, 04:17:18 PM
Many during maneuvers in Europe.

The base I was at was also right under the low alt corridor to the east german border.  Every day around noon the daily recon flight, usually an F4, would go over the base at about 100ft.  The pilot would wave as he went by, then pull up a bit to clear the hills east of the base.

While in a car was 'buzzed' by a Vulcan bomber.  Never really knew how big those things were until then!

Living near Luke AFB as a kid we use to watch planes take off all the time.  Most beautiful were the ones just after dusk in full afterburner.  One day was standing in line at the commissary with all the other retired folks.  A big roar and an F15 takes off and goes vertical until we couldn't see it anymore.  The guy behind me had a WWII vet hat on with pilot's wings.  He commented "show off".  :)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rboe on January 16, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
When we first moved to Arizona we lived in Tucson. I took up target shooting at the indoor range on Prince; ended up meeting some folks doing the same. One was a retired Navy pilot. Drove one of those MR2's like a mad man.

Anyway, he had more stories than most as his team were the guys that signed off brand new F4's as they came off the lines - in Kansas. He or one of his team members were probably the guys that straffed you! Nice guy but with a bad back from ejecting a few too many times.

One story; he was zipping along the deck one day, crested a hill and zoomed over a house. Too late he checked the Mach meter; it was greater than one. Figured he blew out all the windows. Said the F4 had so much power that it was way too easy to go super sonic down low They had a large team of lawyers that went around cleaning up after them.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Aaron D. on January 16, 2015, 04:20:34 PM
As a kid we watched paratroops coming out of Flyimg Boxcars over a forested area later used as Army research. There were two radar imstallations near to one another, we always checked to see if they were moving.

Heard a lot of sonic booms in those days, no idea what plane was causing them.

My first airshow featured the Thunderbirds, flying F100s.

We live not too far from an airbase (C5A Galaxy) and our ANG, which flew A10s for a long time but now flies F15s, is 10 miles from there. So I get to see lots of very loud planes.

An A10 buzzed the summit of Mt Monadnock some years back, that was cool.

The niftiest one so far-my flight in a B24.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Triple Jim on January 16, 2015, 04:41:33 PM
I was working on a boat trailer in my father's driveway at his house on Lake Gaston, in NC 25 or so years ago.  Fighter jets used to use his house for target practice because as they flew east over the lake, his house happened to be clearly visible.  That day one flew over his house and banked hard to port.  I looked up and not only saw the pilot, but made out details like his mask and attached hose.  He was just over the 75' pine trees.  The noise was quit a shock, too.

They used to do the same thing at our local water plant, but it stopped when the plant manager told one of the higher up guys at the local base that they were using a municipal water plant for regular target practice, and if a plane were to crash into it, it could knock out the water supply to a lot of people.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: bacongrease on January 16, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
   During the time of the Cuban Missile crisis, I was a kid living an hour or so from Tinker AFB near OKC.   Planes flew round the clock for several days.
 Of course You couldn't see them after dark, but you could  constantly hear them all nite. Mom and Pop were quite concerned..  
 Planes were  B-29, B50, C47, B36, B47 among many other bombers and fighters and later years B-2 and B-1B .
 
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: redrider on January 16, 2015, 04:43:47 PM
As a kid a flight of f-106's came over. We heard them moments before arrival. As in two houses away. A10 and A7 boys like to strafe the roads around Pinewood. The A10 demo for General What's his Name at Shaw in 77(8)was great. War games in Turkey were da bomb. F111's chased by F4's until the 11's went straight up and popped the wings out. I had no idea the 11's could maneuver like that. But the C130 flying at 90 degrees to level between two hangars with an abrupt turn, the level and then up and around with a tactical landing touch and go was bitchin'. The Turks had 105's and 100's. Nice but not as "skillful".
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: guzziboy66 on January 16, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
In the early '90s my friends and I were headed to Ocean City, MD.  We rode south on 539 headed to the GS Parkway.  Somewhere south of Rt 72 but before the parkway you are surrounded by these short scrub? pines and you can see for a couple miles.  Your on this stretch for maybe 20 minutes.  Anyway to our Southwest were four A-10 Warthogs.  They were gyrating  and chasing each other all over the sky.  I was mesmerized.

Eric
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on January 16, 2015, 05:06:05 PM
Walking over the hills in rural Scotland, next second a fighter came streaking from behind a hill hugging the ground
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Steve Scott on January 16, 2015, 05:29:48 PM
'Got strafed by 2 A10's while working at the dam in Curwensville, PA. I was facing the dam and they came in at low altitude from behind me, then pulled up hard at the dam... you really don't hear them until they're on top of you!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: betres on January 16, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
getting a heads up from a buddy in s.a.c. to catch the 11 o'clock news and watching the news for 15 seconds and then seeing the screen go black for about 10 seconds..........sw eeeeeeeeeeet.....
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: clubman on January 16, 2015, 07:22:03 PM
When I was 5 or 6 yrs old and living in coastal La. we traveled to Alexandria La. (or Elec as the locals say) for a 4th of July family reunion/fish fry at my uncle's house. England AFB located there had one of the last (maybe the last?) active duty B29's still in service, the B52 jets were coming in fast. On the 4th they flew it all over the town at a very low level. The air crew had all their kids stuffed into the bombardier's compartment. As they thundered overhead at treetop altitude all you could see upfront was grins and waving hands. I'll never forget the sound of those 4 double row radial's as they passed by.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: johnr on January 16, 2015, 07:58:57 PM
Other than attending a 'Warbirds over Wanaka' weekend (a reasonably big deal   http://www.warbirdsoverwanaka.com ) I have a couple of memorable ones, like being "attacked" by a Skyhawk coming uphill at me or watching them attack across a narrow, steep glacial valley. (down one side, across, release ordinance, then up the other, all at near 600mph! )

The most outstanding I think happened when I was a kid. In 1958 I think it was NZ was toured by a British Avro Vulcan bomber squadron.  I stood on the compost bin in the back yard watching these magnificent planes circle Invercargill low and slow. At one point when one passed close to me I waved to one of the aircrew who I could see. He waved back!

One of them did an unscheduled landing run on Invercargill airport.

Now this airport was built on soft reclaimed land and to this day can not take a big aircraft. (737s are OK these days) It's why Operation Deepfreeze moved from here to Christchurch. Money wins over for-sight every time. The Vulcan would have gone straight through the tarmac.

Great rushing around, arm waving and general panic apparently burst forth in the control tower as they tried to stop the Vulcan landing.  The pilot just squeaked his wheels and took off again. It would seem there was an underpants changing session in the control tower afterwards.

(The Vulcan was only once used in anger. It's a good watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJ99bIhAVk )
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on January 16, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
Lived next to Dobbins AFB in Georgia so I saw a lot. Also heard a lot. When the Lockheed wind tunnel fired up you could not hear yourself think. Later, living near the Mojave, lots of secret stuff from Edwards flies over.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on January 16, 2015, 08:34:40 PM
Then there was the Chicago Air Show where the SR-71 flew over low and slow.(Didn't know that was possible.) Looked like a star destroyer from Star Wars.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rboe on January 16, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
As a young lad living in south eastern Montana, 1965-66 a SAC bomber came over our town at maybe 500 feet. I think it was a B47 but frankly it did not look like a plane I knew - and back then I seemed to know a lot of them. Only happened once. It was uber cool. :)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: injundave on January 16, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
I was about 15 when the Mangere airport in Auckland opened with an airshow, about 1965. The Australian air force brought over some Dassault Mirage single seat fighter-bombers (I think). On the PA some guy told us that the Mirages were coming in from behind us, so the whole crowd turned and followed them as they screamed overhead. Of course the last one was about 3 seconds behind the others and caused some consternation and surprise as it roared past, seemingly almost at ground level.

Come forward about 40 years and I was sitting on a ridge in the central north island with a group of prisoners. We were working in the forest, replanting where trees had been felled some time before and were having a short break. I heard the noise of an aircraft very close by and looked around for it. When I found it, it was an air force Hercules (Yes, we still use them down here) doing very low level practice, following the terrain and flying just above the tree tops. We were looking down at it! Must have been great fun for the crew.

Another few years and my wife and I were working in the garden at the south end of our house. We heard a noise and a Hercules suddenly appeared directly overhead, coming from the north. Frightened the daylights out of us. Here in sleepy Havelock North one does not expect that sort of thing.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Frulk on January 16, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
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There were other events but those were the ones that really stick out. Anyone else with like encounters?

1) SAC Minimal Interval Takeoffs with KC 135's and nuke loaded B-52's at Loring AFB were always impressive.  
2) The time I was on Highway 2 (The High Line) west of Glasgow Montana when a B52 came over us low and at speed while I had our Celica's sun roof open. THAT managed to leave an impression.
3) Was at Grand Forks AFB when the B1 did a simulated bomb-run and the crew dropped dummy bombs and prepostioned explosives detonated on the ground. B1 crew then hit afterburners and climbed back up into a low cloud ceiling at a rediculous angle. That left 55,000 jaws attending the base open house hanging at the knees.
4) C-130 JATOs (Jet Assisted Take Offs) were fun to watch.
5) Sat at an observation post a few times above a small valley just to the west of the Great Salt Lake at the Utah Test and Training Range and watched live ordinance detonate. Very cool to see the circular shock wave flatten vegetation as it grew outwards.
6) While not directly related to mil planes I was present when an ICBM motor was lit up for testing. VERY impressive!

BTW Rodekyll, that 124C Globemaster in the pic you posted is at Hill AFB, Utah (just in case you didn't know this)...I drive by it fairly frequently
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Semper-guzzi on January 16, 2015, 11:17:26 PM
Here's my encounter every day. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/16/31e49267298f23623118f108236e8bad.jpg)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rodekyll on January 17, 2015, 02:09:47 AM
{snipity}

BTW Rodekyll, that 124C Globemaster in the pic you posted is at Hill AFB, Utah (just in case you didn't know this)...I drive by it fairly frequently

I only drove by it once.   :)

Here's a Thud from the same place.  One day I hope to get back during business hours -- I took these through the fence.  You can see a chain link in the upper right corner of the pic.

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd10/rodekyll1/f4phantom-geese1_zps58d81be6.jpg) (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/rodekyll1/media/f4phantom-geese1_zps58d81be6.jpg.html)

Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rboe on January 17, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
The plane above is a F4, I'm used to F-105 Thunderchiefs being called Thuds. But that was a while ago and the memories could be jumbled. We had RF4's in Duluth, they made an impressive noise. :)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Guzzistajohn on January 17, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
A few years ago I was sitting in a john boat on a quiet creek near the mo/ark line and 3 A10's flew over at just over treetop level. It was quite a wakeup! Literally made the water shake.

I had a Osprey (I think) flyover on the BRP one time too-pretty cool!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag65/guzzistajohn/blueridge033_zps63ff43e6.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/guzzistajohn/media/blueridge033_zps63ff43e6.jpg.html)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag65/guzzistajohn/blueridge034_zpsd7817c51.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/guzzistajohn/media/blueridge034_zpsd7817c51.jpg.html)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: John A on January 17, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
Faulk you hit the nail on the head, a SAC mito with about fifteen B-52s is the real deal. The most noise is (was) a Harrier jump jet. An SR71 takeoff at night was an unforgettable thing, I got to see that often when I was at Beale AFB.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: JBBenson on January 17, 2015, 11:26:58 AM
A few years ago I was flying my hang-glider (Wills Wing Falcon 2) near Garlock, California.

Heading away from the ridge and toward the LZ at around 3000 AGL, I saw a flash of silver way BELOW me, flying parallel to the highway, and right through my intended approach pattern. It was right off the deck, moving pretty fast, was silver, and had tip tanks. I swear it was a Lockheed T-33, or something like that.

Good thing I wasn't on approach right at that moment. That would have been awkward....

It was pretty cool, though.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: dee g on January 17, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
Probably one of the things I miss most about SoCal.  Lived in California City for several years, which is right next to Edwards AFB. We would get permission from SPORT to fly through restricted airspace, usually with firm floors/ceilings, to keep us out of the way of the military folks practicing.  It was always fun to watch them fly by a couple hundred feet below or above us, and the occasional time that a fighter would fly by as slow as he could (we were in a Beech Musketeer) and wave.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Dilliw on January 17, 2015, 12:06:39 PM
Back in the 90s there was an airshow weekend and a bunch of planes were in town.  I was sitting on the back of my boat watching a swimmer when two Woblin Goblins attacked the Lake Murray Dam.  The fell from the sky in some random maneuver then shot straight back up into the clouds.  Not something you see everyday.

Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: gary martin on January 17, 2015, 12:36:55 PM
several years ago at a local  military show I watched from about 100 ft. away as an Apache lifted about 30 feet then slowly spun until it was looking straight at me.  talk about intimidation!!! ;D
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: EVDavid on January 17, 2015, 01:15:51 PM
Great thread.

Being warned of two F111s in close proximity,from Upper Heyford UK base, when I was doing my qualifying cross country(which I only just saw), finding a Hawker Sea Fury in our light aircraft circuit when I wanted to join downwind, but the best was sitting at the threshold of the active runway at Duxford UK on a day when they were filming Mephis Belle, with three B17s, Bf109s, Spitfires and P51s parting my hair before security sent me away!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rodekyll on January 17, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
The plane above is a F4, I'm used to F-105 Thunderchiefs being called Thuds. But that was a while ago and the memories could be jumbled. We had RF4's in Duluth, they made an impressive noise. :)

Hmmm.  I thought it was a phantom, but last time I posted it here (asking what it was) folks said it was a 105.  I'll correct my notes.   :)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rboe on January 17, 2015, 03:36:22 PM
Wow, can't imagine mixing up a Phantom with the Thud. The 105 has very different looking intakes.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rodekyll on January 17, 2015, 04:01:07 PM
I didn't know (couldn't get close to the displays because the area was locked up).  I do now.

BTW -- Hill AFB in Utah has a huge collection of vintage stuff.  If you folks get a chance, drop by and give them a look.  I hope to get back there someday with the luxury of time and access to compose some pics.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: tazio on January 17, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Lived next to Dobbins AFB in Georgia so I saw a lot. Also heard a lot. When the Lockheed wind tunnel fired up you could not hear yourself think. Later, living near the Mojave, lots of secret stuff from Edwards flies over.
Wind Tunnel still there, thinking of checking the Ambos' Cd :BEER:
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Stevex on January 17, 2015, 04:10:16 PM
When I was a boy, they used to hold air displays at the home of Rolls Royce at Hucknall Airfield, Nottingham.
My dad used to let me sit on the top of our garage roof to watch the display which was a few miles away as the crow flies.
I'll never forget watching the English Electric Lightning go vertical after the take off run.
Probably one of the most fantastic aircraft ever to fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTr2UvLqfkQ
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: oldbike54 on January 17, 2015, 04:17:01 PM
Wind Tunnel still there, thinking of checking the Ambos' Cd :BEER:
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Don't , it will scare you  ;D

  Dusty
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: gsf12man on January 17, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
Years ago I was going around an 8.8 mile circular test track near Pecos, TX in a car at 115 mph, the middle bit of a high-speed test. I was overtaking a slow-moving Japanese truck (Isuzu tested big Japanese-market trucks there) and watching him carefully as I began to pass. About when I reached him there was a vast, all-encompassing roar which scared the living sh*t out of me . . . I thought I had crashed, possibly into the truck, or he had crashed, or—. Then I saw four great big engines filling up all my right-side windows. Buzzed by a B-1. At other times we would see one come over the track, do a 'lap' around it and go on its way.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: tazio on January 17, 2015, 08:33:45 PM
Wind Tunnel still there, thinking of checking the Ambos' Cd :BEER:
[/quote

Don't , it will scare you  ;D

  Dusty

You must have guessed that I'd be sittin' on it :D
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: oldbike54 on January 17, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
You must have guessed that I'd be sittin' on it :D

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

Well...  ;D

  Dusty
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: LowRyter on January 17, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
here's some of my old snap shots working at Tinker Field:

here's two for one (KC-135 and E6):

(http://g1.img-dpreview.com/DEA74DF8EFBA427A84E13D333FBF8417.jpg)

Tbird

(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/CFB1B939A64944599E140EC4839F386B.jpg)

Blue Angels

(http://g1.img-dpreview.com/D054AEBD1C1B49C8B5956B75A72F548E.jpg)
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: 1Sourdough on January 17, 2015, 09:49:12 PM
When I worked in northern Wyoming several years ago I got to see B-52s flying low practice runs a few times.  Not sure how low they were, that much aircraft down low is really big!

Attended the Abbotsford, BC Airshow in 1972 and saw a Vulcan doing low passes there.  Its size was impressive but the agility the aircraft showed as it was wheeled around at the ends of the passes was nearly unbelievable.  Great aircraft!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Muzz on January 17, 2015, 10:41:02 PM
In the days when we still had an airforce  ::), hang, it must be about 50 years ago now  :o we were out at our bach which is one section back from the coast and about 50 feet above sea level. Suddenly there was a roar and three or four Skyhawks came in just a few feet off the sea. They proceeded to do some low level mock strafing attacks at the point at the edge of our little bay, and then finished off by tipping sideways on their wings and going between some gum trees at the end of the point and the hill that our bach was on. We were looking DOWN on them.! Then, off they went back to the North Island. All my bro and I could think was SH*T!!!!!! That was indeed no room for error!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: johnr on January 18, 2015, 02:27:23 AM

Attended the Abbotsford, BC Airshow in 1972 and saw a Vulcan doing low passes there.  Its size was impressive but the agility the aircraft showed as it was wheeled around at the ends of the passes was nearly unbelievable.  Great aircraft!

It was for that reason, and the stronger air-frame that allowed very low level flying, that it was picked over the otherwise superior Victor as a low level deliverer of Nukes. They could fly them at full noise at 50' if required.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: AMGeneral on January 19, 2015, 01:39:32 AM
The few I recall were,

Heading east on US-54 from Kingman to Wichita, saw a shadow of a plane go over, thought nothing of it planes go over headed for Wichita all the time, but it did seem rather large and slow, when the plane came into view out the windshield saw it was the Stealth Bomber. Just lumbering along, even remember seeing it sway like a flying wing will do.

Riding the Jackal west out of Goddard, between Wichita and Kingman on US-54, saw a PT-17 take off to the north over the hi-way, then another, then a DR-1 Triplane! Yep you bet I did a u-turn and went back to the airstrip they left to find out they were participating in a fly over next town over celebrating Memorial Day or 4th of July, can't remember. Three PT-17s, AT-6, DR-1 replica, Eurocoupe, maybe ten or so planes in all.

(http://amgeneral.smugmug.com/Everything-else/i-KLjCRs5/0/S/Pair%20PT-17-S.jpg)

(http://amgeneral.smugmug.com/Everything-else/i-Nx5kwms/0/S/PT-17-S.jpg)

(http://amgeneral.smugmug.com/Everything-else/i-MdGZb9x/0/S/DR-1-S.jpg)

(http://amgeneral.smugmug.com/Everything-else/i-KDBz9Xm/0/S/AT-6-S.jpg)

Last one was when I was stationed out in Cali for a couple weeks of training, and everyone had to wear this harness, think laser tag, if you got hit it would beep once, if you were dead it would sound constantly and could only be shut off by someone with a key. Well I was with a supply unit and we had just finished a meal and all of a sudden everyones harness sounded the dead signal. Everyone, all in just a second or two, then the sound of an A-10 as it flew overhead. Yea the one with the key wasn't very happy.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: guzzimike on January 19, 2015, 04:14:21 AM
Back in early 1960s the house we lived was on an almost direct line to the landing pattern for a local Air Force base.

Everyday we were treated to Gloster Meteors  low level overflights.

Those Glosters were LOUD..!

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Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: rodekyll on January 19, 2015, 06:33:44 AM
We'd hear a pair of fighters scream overhead and disappear through the clouds, leaving only the fading turbine roar.  If they broke east or west there'd come a point where the roar grew faint and abruptly cut out.  About a one or two-count afterward would come a floor-felt BOOM that rattled the windows and spoons that might be in dishes as they went supersonic.

We fished off the PNW coast in the 60s and had to avoid restricted waters where exercises were held.  They were marked on the charts and everything, so if you got into a live-fire area you had no one to blame but yourself.  We did a good job of steering clear, but the sounds would carry, and the contrails and smoke of aerial action didn't confine itself to the reservation.  Neither did the aircraft.  It was fun from 10 miles off watching them chase each other and do attack runs on (appropriately named) Destruction Island.  Sometimes the Navy invaded the beach and the planes and helos did close air support.  When we were in the area, vapor trails and sonic booms were a regular thing.

Someone above mentioned tossing candy to crowds at an airshow.  It reminded me of getting showered at a threshing bee when I was 4 or 5 with parachutes of swag tossed out of a military helicopter that in my opinion looked like Sky King, but louder.  I got a rubber ballistic missile about 5" long, a deck of USAF playing cards with a different airplane on each one, and a medal saying I was a junior american hero, presumably for valor exhibited while collecting swag during a live parachute drop.  My brother got a rubber bomber with the engines on backwards.  He was furious.  He thought the air force should know better.  We figured out how to reuse the chutes by wrapping up field mice and doug fir cones with them and launching them over the fields with a catapult made from a rooted sapling.  Funny the things you remember. . .  .
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: 1Sourdough on February 03, 2015, 05:04:53 PM
It was for that reason, and the stronger air-frame that allowed very low level flying, that it was picked over the otherwise superior Victor as a low level deliverer of Nukes. They could fly them at full noise at 50' if required.

The two "V" bombers have always intrigued me, being so similar in the things one sees who is not privy to their inner-most details does not learn.  The video about the Victors flying the bombing mission to the Falklands provided some fascinating information I had never before heard about the aircraft and RAF procedures.  I do not remember any discussion of why the Victors were selected but supposed it was because they had been operational more recently than Vulcan, and perhaps had longer range.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: dibble on February 03, 2015, 05:15:44 PM
it was a Vulcan that bombed Port Stanley, the Tankers may have been converted Victors.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: johnr on February 03, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
.... and then finished off by tipping sideways on their wings and going between some gum trees at the end of the point and the hill that our bach was on. We were looking DOWN on them.! Then, off they went back to the North Island. All my bro and I could think was SH*T!!!!!! That was indeed no room for error!

Muzz, when I was living in Christchurch I met an Air Force guy in a pub who had just got himself out of training on the Skyhawks. He was shaking like a leaf. Those guys sure had big brass ones, and had to maximise the abilities of the aircraft.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Bill N on February 06, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
I'm in my OH-6A helicopter sitting on a helo pad on a mountain fire base in Vietnam. Pathfinders called me and said I needed to move to another pad as a Chinook needed to land where I was. So I lifted up and maneuvered to a smaller pad about 100 yards away. Just about 50 feet above touchdown, I heard a deafening roar, the helo pitched up about twenty degrees, I thought I had been shot by a RPG. As I regained control I saw two F4 afterburners in front of me and climbing away. So what actually happened was the F4 passed below me while I was only about 50 ft above the landing area. I don't know what you think, but that's close.
The F4 driver no doubt after delivering his ordinance and heading back to Da Nang was hot doggin, and terrain followed up the mountain. Had he hit me, likely most of the fire base would have been destroyed...many deaths including me. Bet the F4 driver soiled his pants when he finally saw me. I filed an incident report. :BEER:
Bill
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Dean Rose on February 07, 2015, 08:30:48 AM
My fist wife and I lived on Solomons Island Maryland for a few years. It was right across the river from Patuxent River Naval Air Station. They used to test a lot of planes there and would come roaring over the house at odd hours.


Dean
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Joe A. on February 07, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
every year there is the Geneseo H.A.G. air show (Historical Air Group). I live about 6 miles from the airstrip and it is not uncommon to have a B-17 or 52 fly over our house seemingly 10' above the treetops. You can "feel" the engines before you actually see the plane.

In the early / mid 70's we were camping in the Adirondacks and taking an early morning hike. This is not far from Ft. Drum in Watertown NY. There was a weird sound and flying overhead at very low altitude was a plane nver before seen by us. When we returned to camp and described what was witnessed, we were accused of having an early morning joint for breakfast! Years later photos of the Stealth were becoming public and I swear that is what we witnessed. Could never confirm if that was actually the case. Can't imagine what is in development now that won't be public for years.

In the mid 90's I was riding my CX 650 from Tucson to Nogales and riding  thru the area of the proving grounds. I had the bike at WOT (big deal, right?) when the bike became unstable and began to wobble a bit. Sand was kicked up and thankfully I had a full face helmet on. From behind and seemingly at eye level, I was passed by a jet copter (I don't know what kind). got a thumbs up as I was $hitting my linens!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: EVDavid on February 07, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
Low Vulcans. In the book Vulcan 607, which I can't find in order to give the correct quote, the crew recount flying through the Grand Canyon only realizing afterwards that there was a note on the chart saying "not below such and such thousand feet". Oops. But you would wouldn't you!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: johnr on February 07, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Low Vulcans. In the book Vulcan 607, which I can't find in order to give the correct quote, the crew recount flying through the Grand Canyon only realizing afterwards that there was a note on the chart saying "not below such and such thousand feet". Oops. But you would wouldn't you!

 :D Some good photo ops there!
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: tris on February 08, 2015, 10:39:20 AM
Many during maneuvers in Europe.

The base I was at was also right under the low alt corridor to the east german border.  Every day around noon the daily recon flight, usually an F4, would go over the base at about 100ft.  The pilot would wave as he went by, then pull up a bit to clear the hills east of the base.

While in a car was 'buzzed' by a Vulcan bomber.  Never really knew how big those things were until then!

Living near Luke AFB as a kid we use to watch planes take off all the time.  Most beautiful were the ones just after dusk in full afterburner.  One day was standing in line at the commissary with all the other retired folks.  A big roar and an F15 takes off and goes vertical until we couldn't see it anymore.  The guy behind me had a WWII vet hat on with pilot's wings.  He commented "show off".  :)


Back in the 80s when the Vulcans were still operational one came to display at the Brands Hatch F1 Grand Prix

Commentator "well, we're used to loud noises at motor racing events but watch this"

At which point the Vulcan turned tail on to the crowd , firewalled the throttles and disappeared straight up

I still can't get enough of the sole flying example XH558 and it still takes any Air Show by storm

Empties the factory if comes over our way on a flight  ;-T

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ (http://www.vulcantothesky.org/)


Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: 1Sourdough on March 04, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
it was a Vulcan that bombed Port Stanley, the Tankers may have been converted Victors.

That is correct.  It had been long enough since I watched the documentary I had forgotten the Vulcan floating amongst the gaggle of Victors.  Here's the link:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Yl8ntVS-4
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: johnr on March 05, 2015, 06:47:37 AM
That is correct.  It had been long enough since I watched the documentary I had forgotten the Vulcan floating amongst the gaggle of Victors.  Here's the link:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Yl8ntVS-4

Delightful documentary.
Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Sheepdog on March 05, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
I guess my favorite encounters were at Ft Chaffee, AR. We frequently used a live fire range that shared it's surface danger area with the Air Guard tactical range. Back then they flew A-10s and F16Cs and we'd watch them practice gunnery and bomb runs. I can tell you, the sound of those cannon would put a shiver down your spine. The falling brass was amazing, also...there's a bunch of it!

That said, I also love Stearmans. I got to inspect several (along with a really gorgeous P-51) at the Olympia, WA airshow a few years back. Fascinatingly simple, yet advanced compared to the biplanes I saw at Rhinebeck Field as a kid:

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Title: Re: (NGC) encounters with military aircraft
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 05, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
One of our older glider club instructors had his military primary training in a Stearman. The student is in front and the instructor behind. He claimed that the instructor could detach his stick in flight and if you screwed something up the instructor would whack you on the shoulder or the side of the head with it. He said that he found out that he was ready to solo when the instructor more gently whacked him and then through the stick overboard. In am glad he did not use the same techniques on me although I am sure I deserved at times.
GliderJohn