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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: LowRyter on February 04, 2015, 09:58:50 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2jF7BqjHBA
http://www.velocity.com/tv-shows/naked-speed/
Anyone see this show? Mike Seate has updated the "Cafe Racer" show as "Naked Speed". It's a one hour show with builds of hopped up and stripped down bikes. Show also features Bryan Fuller and the Bostroms.
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I really don't know if I can stand much more of this! It's becoming a huge, disgusting, pandemic, black hole of awful! I may just go bonkers and run amok with a chainsaw!
Pete
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I wanna puke....
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I stayed up last night and watched it. Well I watched parts of it and the rest of the time I was watching my eyelids.
The two bikes were a barn find (actually an old school bus body) Commando 750 and some sort of hacked up Monster. The most exciting part of the Commando was whether or not the new owner was going to come back after his first ride. The hacked up Monster was prepped for a Salt Flats run complete with turbos. The guy had a high speed wobble on the second pass and didn't ride through it. Another rider got it up to 150+. As I woke back up I was thinking to myself about how many bikes I've seen doing at least that on I-20 in Atlanta.
With a new show you need to lead with your best punch. If that's all they've got then I won't bother staying awake next week.
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I don't have a problem with it, as long as they aren't cutting up some rare antique bike. I've posted a picture of my friend Kevin's (18 years old) very nice cafe of a Honda 4. My kid is doing a cafe on a beater T because he loves Guzzis. *That* bike wasn't worth restoring.. now, or in the future. He's a great mechanic/fabricator, and it won't be one of those cobbled up turds that many people call "cafe racers."
For the most part, I agree with you though, Pete.. ;D :BEER:
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I don't know about the show but I do know Kenny Cummings from NYC Norton. He is a very serious enthusiasts who makes his living from restoring Nortons.
http://nycnorton.com/nyc_bikes/1971-commando-school-bus-bike/
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I didn't mind the Ducati Bonneville build, an 07 Monster is not a rare bike. I enjoy that shop's ingenuity and I'm envious of their fabrication skills. But, 150 was a little short of their goal, maybe next attempt will be better. FWIW there is a Kawasaki 750 triple in my shop that did 157 on the flats in 1974! What bothered me last night was taking that 100% complete and original Norton and customizing it, really? Last week they featured a CB750 Honda that was picked from a scrap yard, that's a cool thing to do but, destroying a classic bike? It just passes me off!
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I used to look at old bikes and old cars in some sort of sacred religious way.
I certainly do appreciate those who take the time to maintain or restore classics.
But I don't have the angst about cutting them up for something cool anymore, well not unless it's something super rare.
And if you're gonna cut up a classic bike, well, you could do much worse than make a Café Racer... I mean, I REALLY don't like Choppers... I can appreciate a well-done bobber... but a Café IS at least arguably increasing performance/function, and I can dig that.
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... but a Café IS at least arguably increasing performance/function, and I can dig that.
Me too! If it's done right. Cafe racers are what Honda CB's and Yamaha XS's are for! I have seen some nicely done Guzzis. At least, in the visual sense.
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And on the Norton, they didn't seem to have chopped up the frame so it could always go back to stock, though I really liked the way it came out.
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Me too! If it's done right. Cafe racers are what Honda CB's and Yamaha XS's are for! I have seen some nicely done Guzzis. At least, in the visual sense.
My neighbor's build:
(http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/Dilliw/FB_IMG_1423149448280_zps9r39vhij.jpg)
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??? Doesn't everybody enjoy watching a TV show that turns a old stock bike into something really useful, or beautiful or ahem... exceptional?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Mailbox_Bike_zpsnvgm9h4v.jpg)
cough cough
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Oh how I yearn for a motorcycle show like "Motoworld!" to come back. Give me bike reviews, trail tips, tech tips, and diverse moto event coverage. I'm done with the new "motorcycle show".
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But I don't have the angst about cutting them up for something cool anymore, well not unless it's something super rare.
Norton's of that period are not exactly super collectible, certainly worth more than a T or T3 but nothing like the Norton production racer's.
(http://www.frybrid.com/images/Norton/side%20small.jpg)
Or the 20M3:
(http://www.classicdriver.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_slider/public/import/articlesv2/images/_de/8309/Norton_Commander_750_Fastback_01pop.jpg?itok=Fz4qb324)
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While Im a sucker for almost anything motorcycle on the tube and will continue to watch I find this show almost boring. The whole chop up some bike and make something cool has been done a million times and just like the chopper shows of a few years ago they all start to look the same.
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I like the show. They are Guzzi friendly too. Mike was at the National a few years back.
The Norton was a beauty. They had no chance making that Monster run 200. Basically what they are doing on the show is what we see on the board with some regularity. So far, I didn't see a bike that wasn't improved- other than that Ducati but heck, it as only a Ducati.
;D
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The shows are mostly similar products and share the same formula. The current interesting stuff is rarely shown outside a limited commercial market - it is usually a big race or sponsored event.
But I bet there is a lot of good motorcycle themed non-racing stuff recorded by good amateurs that never gets shown. (Although there are enough hours of endless straight roads already!)
Someone will probably develop an iphone application for gathering and stitching all the good amateur clips into a series of podcasts or a tube channel.
Something new connected to motorcycles is happening every day!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Imps%20sparks_zpsddzywjva.jpg)
Unique ideas!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/fireworks01_zpse7kbuu7e.jpg)
and so on.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/cake%20harley_zpsb7pqavcg.jpg)
The sugar cruiser cake making channel! :drool
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I agree with KevM on this one. My formerly trashed (bodywork) Lario hopped up and improved in just about every practical aspect. Some will never understand why I did this to a rather rare beast. If you rode this one and my stock one you'd understand very clearly. I really don't care what people do to THEIR bike. I see more people selling bikes because they aren't willing to make changes than people who make changes to a bike to fit them. If it moves you so be it. I've learned that stock at best is a starting point.
Chopped:
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/kevin3019/Lario/2015-02/1775BE6D-B205-41AB-9CAE-516E3BCFB3A2.jpg)
Stock:
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/kevin3019/Lario/7B9684BE-A2D5-48A8-AF25-461454DDF971.jpg)
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Here's an idea, every time some one does one of these episodes Roper shows up at the end with a chainsaw and chops it up. :BEER:
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Or slaps the builder across the chops with a rubber chicken!
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I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the tits! Anyone can do any damn thing they like with their property. I just hate people chopping up perfectly good motorbikes BADLY because of some stupid fad that has been hitched on to by talentless beardies and their sycophants.
If you want to practice on a canvas pick something shitty that nobody cares about and refine your 'Craft'. The problem with that is that by the time you have actually learnt enough about what you are trying to achieve the 'Trend' will of died and the end result will be a lot of un-recoverable munt that is essentially irreplaceable.
In a totally disposable society I suppose that doesn't matter, but they aren't building short head Tonti's any more and they aren't inexhaustable in number. I just hate seeing them butchered by idiots.
If you want a 'Cafe Racer' build it out of a bit of shit nobody cares about. The people you're trying to impress won't know what it is. If you want the kudos of a venerable name? Just grind off the whatever it is badge and stick a Moto Guzzi or Laverda or Triumph or whatever badge on it. In fact why stop there? Stick your OWN name on it! That will really impress! It's really not important. I just know that in three years time there will be significantly fewer decent Guzzis available because a lot of them will of been chopped up and abandoned by morons.
Pete
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But really, Pete -- you got an opinion on all this? :bike
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PM me if you want to sell that fairing, Kevin.. I gots money burning a hole in my pocket.. ;D
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/kevin3019/Lario/7B9684BE-A2D5-48A8-AF25-461454DDF971.jpg)
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Already gone Chuck. Been selling some parts to keep other stockers on the road. Got lots more parts though.
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Dang! ;D
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Pardon me if this has been posted, but I think it may be appropriate to this thread.
http://vimeo.com/115733204
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INSPIRING!
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PM me if you want to sell that fairing, Kevin.. I gots money burning a hole in my pocket.. ;D
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/kevin3019/Lario/7B9684BE-A2D5-48A8-AF25-461454DDF971.jpg)
Bugger. I just gave one away to Rod a few months ago thinking it was a MkIII Le Mans one and I think he said it was Lario. If he hasn't found a use for it yet put a shout out to him, he's a decent sort and will probably flip it on to you. I'll pay postage.
Pete
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I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the tits! Anyone can do any damn thing they like with their property. I just hate people chopping up perfectly good motorbikes BADLY because of some stupid fad that has been hitched on to by talentless beardies and their sycophants.
If you want to practice on a canvas pick something shitty that nobody cares about and refine your 'Craft'. The problem with that is that by the time you have actually learnt enough about what you are trying to achieve the 'Trend' will of died and the end result will be a lot of un-recoverable munt that is essentially irreplaceable.
In a totally disposable society I suppose that doesn't matter, but they aren't building short head Tonti's any more and they aren't inexhaustable in number. I just hate seeing them butchered by idiots.
If you want a 'Cafe Racer' build it out of a bit of shit nobody cares about. The people you're trying to impress won't know what it is. If you want the kudos of a venerable name? Just grind off the whatever it is badge and stick a Moto Guzzi or Laverda or Triumph or whatever badge on it. In fact why stop there? Stick your OWN name on it! That will really impress! It's really not important. I just know that in three years time there will be significantly fewer decent Guzzis available because a lot of them will of been chopped up and abandoned by morons.
Pete
Just kidding Pete, I agree. That's why I am fixing an abused CX that some locals wanted to chop up. Unfortunately the fairing was destroyed but the rest is intact. Putting a round headlight with LM 1 fairing on it for now.
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Bugger. I just gave one away to Rod a few months ago thinking it was a MkIII Le Mans one and I think he said it was Lario. If he hasn't found a use for it yet put a shout out to him, he's a decent sort and will probably flip it on to you. I'll pay postage.
Pete
Yeah, Rod's a good guy. I'll give him a ping.
No, you won't. ;D
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I love that show. It started out as Cafe Racer TV, but it was only 30 minutes long. Now they actually have time to do it right.
RE the Bonneville Ducati, I thought it was stupid. I don't care about the bike being cut up, but that was a lot of work to make a machine that goes slower than a new Honda. I don't think the guys that did it are very good at their trade. I prefer the Kott and McDeeb bikes, and the Nortons from New York and Colorado.
One neat thing about the cafe racer fad is that it's bringing respect to crappy old Hondas and Kawasakis and so on. Bikes that would have been scrapped are being turned into customs, and brands that are usually thought of as soulless are getting new attention.
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I cut them some slack, the salt flats are at 4219' and traction riding on salt is less the pavement from what I have read. Plus the conditions where not ideal, and I think you have to know what you are doing out there, seems to be a learning curve. The bike was a plumbers nightmare. Not sure about their engineering.
I like the show, it's not great but it is bikes and people don't yell at each other. Last week with the junkyard 750 Honda build, they put a triumph T120 front brake on it ? The Bostrom's gave it faint praise just said how nice it sounded.
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TV shows always pander to the broader market to draw in the casual or non biker- they gotta stay on the air. Disappointing...
Mike is trying to make a living . Having said that the Brit crowd are always excited about a good cafe build. I think those builds are beautiful.
There's a bunch of old Triumphs out there and if they are resurrected that's cool.
Nobody wants a valuable bike chopped up- wouldn't do it to a Lemans if it wasn't already trashed...unless I loved the bike and wanted to modify it for my personal tastes.
Wouldn't need to do much to a LeMans tho.
I have a '74 R90/6 that was a cafe racer since '93. Got tired of it so now it is a "cruiser build". Dunno how valuable it is but I made sure any mods could be reversed and kept the original parts.
My '72 Bonneville is now a scrambler.
Not because it's a trend, because I still like to ride off road and it's a fun platform.
Still think any show about older bikes is a good show ;-T
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I think putting Lance Armstrong on the show was a gaffe. It's like having Tonya Harding test ride a bike right after having Nancy Kerrigan whacked.
"When I'm not suing people for telling the truth and destroying marriages and careers, I like a nice jaunt on a cafe racer."
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I can appreciate the desire to create something original and unique, so if it happens to be expressed through a motorcycle all the better. My only concern is the many half finished 'projects' I see advertised and the questionable integrity of the 'build'. Some of the rigid framed, bobbed, hybrid front ends etc... may be down right death traps.
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I can appreciate the desire to create something original and unique, so if it happens to be expressed through a motorcycle all the better. My only concern is the many half finished 'projects' I see advertised and the questionable integrity of the 'build'. Some of the rigid framed, bobbed, hybrid front ends etc... may be down right death traps.
Canuck... couldn't have said it better. ;-T You are truly an artist and your attention to detail is tops. Your bikes as a whole speak to me. Bravo for what you accomplish!
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Let's not be hasty in condemning this show. The cast of Orange County Choppers will challenge the newbies to a build-off. Stay tuned...
Ralph
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Let's not be hasty in condemning this show. The cast of Orange County Choppers will challenge the newbies to a build-off. Stay tuned...
Ralph
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No, let's condemn it. Because there are so many other bike-building shows we can watch. Like...uh...
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:PICS!:
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/moto-guzzi-cafe-racer-kaffeemaschine.jpg)
(http://blog.gessato.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/moto-guzzi-le-mans-cafe-racer-by-kaffeemaschine-2.jpg)
(http://www.motorcycleshdwallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Moto-guzzi-850t3-cafe-racer.jpg)
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/moto-guzzi-v65-625x416.jpg)
(http://www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Moto-Guzzi-LeMans-Cafe-Racer-Front-Left.jpg)
(http://idata.over-blog.com/2/78/64/83/Moto-guzzi-850-T3-Cafe-Racer/Moto-Guzzi-T3-Cafe-Racer-1.jpg)
(http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/~/media/Images/MCC/Editorial/Articles/Magazine%20Articles/2011/03-01/Custom%20Moto%20Guzzi%20Caf%C3%A9%20Racer/GC12.jpg)
I often wish I had this kind of talent and imagination. I can't even imagine what I want for dinner!
I enjoyed episode 2 better than the first, but I won't likely watch the rerun. Fun stuff on a cold night.
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Those poor poor bikes--- getting all the love and attention. :P
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The bikes above are all beautiful, but the next big u-tube craze will be restoring all the crappy rat bikes, bobbers and screwed up cafe racers back to stock! :BEER:
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The bikes above are all beautiful, but the next big u-tube craze will be restoring all the crappy rat bikes, bobbers and screwed up cafe racers back to stock! :BEER:
Won't happen. All those parts have been trashed. ;) ;D
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You know, I think the aero engine thing should be on the show!
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:o
You know, I think the aero engine thing should be on the show!
Of course it should but it won't be because it doesn't fit the tired old formula.
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have to disagree with you Pete. I think they'd love the Aero Bike build for the show... If only Chuck had some tattoos. ;D
This is what they did to that old Norton that was stored in a school bus 25 years (they look like wholesome types):
(http://nycnorton.com/wp-content/themes/nyc-norton/lib/timthumb.php?src=http://nycnorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/TeamAwesome2.jpg&w=780&h=509&zc=1)
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I'll pay that one. It is nice.
Pete
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(http://nycnorton.com/wp-content/themes/nyc-norton/lib/timthumb.php?src=http://nycnorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/SchoolBus1.jpg&w=780&h=509&zc=1)
The bike does not appear to be street legal. (No lights, etc.) Is it going racing or on static display? It's a beautiful machine. I'd want to ride it!
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Better than the motor company conceived, this bike. That's plain gorgeous! Some are taking piles of rust and bringing them back. If you tried to take a pile and bring it back to stock it could take a lifetime and $$. At the very least these bikes are brought back and ridden. It's way easier to speculate they were done a disservice. If they aren't rideable they were.
One mans junk is another mans treasure. One mans treasure is another mans junk. It all depends on how you view it. We'll always be divided but at times find a common ground. This bike is likely "common" ground.
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Marty,
I'm new around these parts, can you tell me about those pics? Several builders?
The green one has me lusting big time.
By the way, I'm just down the road in Gainesville. Nice to see another N. GA rider.
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Rescuing a junker and getting it back on the road is noble endeavor IMO. Taking a perfectly good bike and chopping it up... not so much. That salt flat Ducati made me sad.
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Was watching the re-birth of a BMW episode and they bought the donor R75 from a crusty looking individual in Chico, CA wearing a fairly worn Guzzi hat. Anybody here?
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Last night they bobbed a perfectly fine Goldstar. I was in disbelief
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Last night they bobbed a perfectly fine Goldstar. I was in disbelief
I once had a coworker who used to say, "Anybody can restore one. It takes a real man to cut one up." ;D
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I once had a coworker who used to say, "Anybody can restore one. It takes a real man to cut one up." ;D
That's for sure! I had a tough time with that hacksaw (hee hee). :P ::)
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Last night they bobbed a perfectly fine Goldstar. I was in disbelief
I had the same reaction, especially when I saw the ugly bobber he built of a pristine restored bike. On the other hand, he kept all the parts to convert it back to original. He said that he was really bored restoring bikes to original and wanted a new challenge.
I was really impressed the way he was flogging the Gold Star on the road before he cut it up. Mike S was funny, "you don't cut up a $40k Gold Star." Yes he did. (But he kept all the parts.)
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The man was skillful manufacturing those bespoke parts I must say and could probably build a new bike from the ground up with his talent.
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What I found amusing (shocking?) was the claim that the original Gold Star was worth $30,000 to begin with, and the final product was valued at $50,000! Does that mean the owner paid the guy $20,000 to hack up his classic and turn it into a SteamPunk Bobber POS? My guess is that the bike is now worth $10,000 on EBay at best. What will he have to pay the guy to re-restore it?
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What I found amusing (shocking?) was the claim that the original Gold Star was worth $30,000 to begin with, and the final product was valued at $50,000! Does that mean the owner paid the guy $20,000 to hack up his classic and turn it into a SteamPunk Bobber POS? My guess is that the bike is now worth $10,000 on EBay at best. What will he have to pay the guy to re-restore it?
Kinda like all of the bobbers on CL built from Honda 600 CC Shadows . Remove a few parts , paint everything some Hot Rod color , and viola , transform an $800 motorbike into a $3K motorbike ???
Dusty
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Kinda like all of the bobbers on CL built from Honda 600 CC Shadows . Remove a few parts , paint everything some Hot Rod color , and viola , transform an $800 motorbike into a $3K motorbike ???
Dusty
Dusty... don't bring the viola's into the fight. They already have enough pain in their lives. :P ;D
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Dusty... don't bring the viola's into the fight. They already have enough pain in their lives. :P ;D
True , they don't get the same respect as cellos or violins ;D Of course it should have read voila , duh :-[
Dusty
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When my 10-year-old brought one home to practice, I took steps to ban violins in the schools.
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When my 10-year-old brought one home to practice, I took steps to ban violins in the schools.
:D :D :D :D Screeeeeeech . The only instruments that produce a worse sound with a beginner at the controls are the reed instruments . Honk , whaaah , honk :D
Dusty
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:D :D :D :D Screeeeeeech . The only instruments that produce a worse sound with a beginner at the controls are the reed instruments . Honk , whaaah , honk :D
Dusty
On a regular basis I hear bodily sounds coming from young brass players. The only difference in the strings is that the viola sounds rather unruly even at the professional level. They dearly pay the price in disrespect, hence the jokes.
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On a regular basis I hear bodily sounds coming from young brass players. The only difference in the strings is that the viola sounds rather unruly even at the professional level. They dearly pay the price in disrespect, hence the jokes.
Yeah ,a quartet of beginning trombone players can often sound like the bean scene in Blazing Saddles , only less musical :D
Dusty
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In fact why stop there? Stick your OWN name on it!
Exactly what a squid said to me at the stoplight. The Norton showed its butt that day.
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I once had a coworker who used to say, "Anybody can restore one. It takes a real man to cut one up." ;D
I still don't understand that one? They didn't use enough of the original frame to still call it a BSA, so why not just build the entire bike from the ground up? What was that, Steam Punk styling? Doesn't work for me, but I did like the results of the other build.
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yeah the other build, 900SS from Revival Cycles in Austin.
Shwantz gave it a work out at COTA.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uOT1bTDjthI/VNa3CfmtvtI/AAAAAAAA-_s/BvVhm3uh0d8/s1600/Revival-Cycles-Custom-Build-Ducati-900SS-001.jpg)
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:D :D :D :D Screeeeeeech . The only instruments that produce a worse sound with a beginner at the controls are the reed instruments . Honk , whaaah , honk :D
Dusty
Don't forget accordions and bagpipes. Noe there is a duet you don't want to hear. :)
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John,
You know watching a show like this is like smoking pot, it's like a gateway drug. Before you know it you'll be mounting ape hangers on greenie and taking a saws all to your Cali and mounting a chrome extended fork on her. Just say no man, just say no.
I'll have to set the dvr for that. Cafe racer hadn't been on, I wondered what happened.
just jonesin to ride,
Js
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Pendric: where do you find time to dig these weird images up?
Alternately; how are you setting a boolean search to look for 'constables peeing fire while on a motorcycle'?
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John,
You know watching a show like this is like smoking pot, it's like a gateway drug. Before you know it you'll be mounting ape hangers on greenie and taking a saws all to your Cali and mounting a chrome extended fork on her. Just say no man, just say no.
I'll have to set the dvr for that. Cafe racer hadn't been on, I wondered what happened.
just jonesin to ride,
Js
This IS the Cafe Racer show. Just the latest one hour version.
Dude.
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This IS the Cafe Racer show. Just the latest one hour version.
Dude.
i guess it changed times here not picking it up on the dvr
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I am basically in favor of what they do, and I think people have the right to cut up their bikes, but that BSA abortion made me want to punch the owner. In fact, there were several characters on that episode that came off like annoying punks. I really hope the pretentious tattooed hipster isn't the future of American "manhood."
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i guess it changed times here not picking it up on the dvr
DVR "Naked Speed" on velocity channel. Last show for the season is next week.
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I am basically in favor of what they do, and I think people have the right to cut up their bikes, but that BSA abortion made me want to punch the owner. In fact, there were several characters on that episode that came off like annoying punks. I really hope the pretentious tattooed hipster isn't the future of American "manhood."
Unlike the pretentious non tatooed hippie from 1970 ?
Dusty
Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .
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Pendric: where do you find time to dig these weird images up?
Alternately; how are you setting a boolean search to look for 'constables peeing fire while on a motorcycle'?
;D Yukonica, Glad you like them! When I am looking for some visuals for making a point, I find many other related pics, and often they are more interesting than the one I was thinking of! So I save them. And the unrelated pics that I think may be good for another day are also saved, but they are a challenge to remember were I put them .... many file names and tags don't always help finding the ones I know I have saved but not where exactly.... so it is good memory practice too!
Here is a pic I recently saved of Steve McQueen, with a 8mm 16mm camera taped to his helmet - an early attempt to film car racing from a riders point of view, like todays GoPro sport cameras. He was ahead of his time! I will definitely have to use that one in a future post on cameras somehow. ;)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/gopro-1960s-mcqueen_zps6i5vuchs.jpg)
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Unlike the pretentious non tatooed hippie from 1970 ?
Dusty
Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .
Things aren't looking too good.
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Things aren't looking too good.
Each generation thinks poorly of the succeeding one , so far the world hasn't stopped spinning :D
Hipster
Dusty
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No, but lots of civilizations have turned to crap.
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No, but lots of civilizations have turned to crap.
Civilization has always had issues , always will , read a bit of history , littered with the bad actions of countries , individuals , and other misc groups of folks . <shrug>
Dusty