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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Asylum on February 17, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
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Well, all I can say is that the first time I saw the Griso 8v, I knew I had to have it. So I bought it the next day ;)
I just love the look of this bike so much that the riding imperfections never made me second guess my choice.
Once I completed my course and received my learners permit, that is when I went shopping for it, so yes this is my first bike. It just scares the heck out of me at low rpm's when turning right from a dead stop. Not being afraid of hurting myself, but being worried of droppin it. Other bikes from the course or my girlfriend's sportster is a breeze to get going from the friction zone. I find that the griso requires to much throttle control and friction in order to take off smoothly from a stop without chugging. From a straight line take off I'm fine, just on the stop and go turns just make me nervous. I want to get rid of this fear and enjoy her.
I tried the o2 optimizer, helped somewhat, but not enough.
Been reading a bit in the forums and came along some threads about people having great smoothness from Beetles map in the low rpm range.
Would the smoothness they're describing mean exactly what I'm referring to by being rough on the take off almost as if the griso wants to stall unless I feed it enough throttle?
Thanks
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Take the O2 sensor off at once unless you want to risk trashing your engine.
As for the map? It's hard to say if your problem is map related but if you want to try one of Mark's maps just buy the cables, download Guzzidiag, reader and writer and Mark or I can flip you a map.
Do be careful, a Griso is not what I would call a 'Beginners' bike.
Pete
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I'll remove the optimizer asap. Don't wanna risk it after reading your post.
I would love to load a different map to see if changes would take affect. Where do you recommend I buy the cables from?
Is tps calibration offered by the software. or would I need something else?
I totally agree with you that it is far from a beginners bike, but I am tamed and respect the bike for what it can do. There is no way I'm pushing this bike to its limits for a looong time.
Thanks for your help bud
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Does anybody know whether I can fit a Griso side-exit header to my Stelvio NTX?
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Lucky guy! if crash bars are available, you should get them..
who's your dealer? as far as low speed cornering, maybe it's just not set up right. some dealers just put them out on the road without adjusting the specs/motor settings first.
what's your location? a visit to Rose Farm near Chicago will have it performing perfect! or MPH in TX.. or Moto International in Seattle.. or Harpers near KC..
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As far as relying on the dealer to get things set up properly, I would have to say i couldn't trust them enough in order to be confident that it was done right. People I've been speaking with don't have great things to say about them. They've only been selling guzzis for the last 2 years.
Ridin the griso out to the states you've mentioned is quite out of the option due to the fact that I live in Montreal, Canada :o
As far as mechanic wise go, I do all the repairs on my own vehicles. Would it be difficult to check and make sure all is well with the griso?
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For info on cables etc. look at the 'Tuning with Guzzidiag' thread. Yes, Guzzidiag allows TPS calibration and all the other functions of the factory tooling, just better and for the cost of a donation.
As Foto says poor set-up is one of the major issues with new bikes. Many places just push 'em out the door with zero prep and then are amazed when customers complain. Some shops also don't have a clue about setting them up or tuning them and it may be that your bike has been fiddled with by an idiot. No amount of remapping will prevent it running like a chunk of shit if it isn't tuned correctly.
Given your symptoms it might also be worth you removing the HT lead covers from the rocker covers and having a good squizz, prefferably somewhere dark, at the plug caps. These are easily damaged by ham-fisted removal, (And sometimes they just fail!) but look and listen for the spark 'Snapping' to earth on the rocker cover. This will definitely make the bike run badly even though it may idle OK. It's also death to the cat-con.
Good info available lots of places on the net on set-up but the Griso Ghetto is a good place to start as Steve's site is heavily Griso-centric, it's not exclusively Griso but the non Griso owners are usually 'Modifiers' who go there for Mark's help and knowledge.
Pete
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I'll defiantly look into what you've mentioned.
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Asy,
Good luck with that Griso. Ride safe, stay smooth and sort out the wrinkles. Fast bike I hear.
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I'll defiantly look into what you've mentioned.
Defiantly! Wow! You are cross! ;D
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Defiantly! Wow! You are cross! ;D
:BEER: LMAO damn auto-corrector. Guess I chose the wrong word from da list. Too funny
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All Griso riders should be defiant. :D
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It is also possible that there is nothing at all "wrong" with your new Griso.
The fact is, there is a reason that most people recommend a first motorcycle that is lightweight and fairly inexpensive.
Skills take time to develop.
But now you need to work on developing those skills on a bike that is not only unfamiliar, but probably somewhat unforgiving with its weight and your apprehension of anything happening to it.
I suggest a lot of practice time getting to know your bike; you have definitely bought a cool motorcycle, but also made life a bit harder on yourself by jumping straight into the deep end.
Good luck.
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Does anybody know whether I can fit a Griso side-exit header to my Stelvio NTX?
:o ??? ~;
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Does anybody know whether I can fit a Griso side-exit header to my Stelvio NTX?
What? Like actually physically fit it? We'll probably David but it would most likely require re-location of the oil cooler. The stylistic cue of the Griso pipes meant that the oil cooler had to be put in the 'Box' on the RHSide of the engine or maybe visa-versa but whatever? Thing is the Griso pipes would almost certainly interfere with the cooler on a Stelvio.
Other facts to consider?
The changes to the header pipe lengths will seriously impact the fueling. Especially the delta fueling. It would need a custom map. No question.
Another centre-pipe would be required. Perhaps the Griso one would do but it would require mount modification. This also would have an effect on the fueling.
At the end of the day anything is possible. It just depends on how much pain you are willing to put up with! :D
Pete
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Well, all I can say is that the first time I saw the Griso 8v, I knew I had to have it. So I bought it the next day ;)
I just love the look of this bike so much that the riding imperfections never made me second guess my choice.
That's understandable, "Sex on Wheels", is my name for the Griso ;D
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Asylum
For local Guzzi shops - not too sure about Montreal - but there is Kohlman's Wheelsport in Ottawa (east end). They are new to Guzzi, but Fred (Kohman) has been in the business for decades and is a reputable dealer.
For unsolvable mechanical issues, I would recommend Corsa Mechanica in Toronto. Strictly a Piaggio/Guzzi/Apprilia dealer. All his techs have attended Guzzi school. They are a big supporter of the Ontario Guzzi Riders and a sponsor of the Ontario Guzzi Rally. George and his crew are good people and passionate about Guzzis.
I would also recommend that you listen to Pete (VasgoDG). He knows what he's talking about.
Welcome to the forum.
G
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Before you start f'ing with the bike- you might want to be sure it's the bike and not you. Have a friend who is a more experienced rider give it a try. I found my Griso 1100 very "snatchy" off the line. One thing that was simple was the throttle cables. It seemed that the cable adjustors at the handle would loosen easily. There was a huge amount of slack. I fiddled with it until i took out the slack- yet not enough so the cables were taut. I used threadlock on the nut. This seemed to help quite a bit with throttle feel.
Guzzidiag is a good suggestion. I installed a map on my 1200S that really improved running and removed popping on decel. I bought an O2 optimizer and Power Commander and it was a total waste of money.
To repeat another comment- Get crash bars! I have Hepco Beckers on the 1200 and I can confirm that they work.
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I saw some Stucchi crash bars at www.mgcycle.com
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=172_180&products_id=2358
I never had a problem with low speed turns. It might take a while to adjust to the friction zone of the clutch as it is a bit narrow. Adjusting the clutch lever eccentric might help too?
Pete loaded the 068 map on my bike but it mostly helped with lean fueling around 3500 rpm.
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Wow, a lot of info to take in. I'm determined to get my skills down right to enjoy the griso even more. I guess a lot of parking lot slow maneuvering will be on the top of my list before taking it on the road this spring. ;-T
Geoff, I'll look in to the dealership you've mentioned since it's only about an hour away.
As for the crash bars, I plan on ordering them before the season along with the Carc guard.
I thank you again for all your help, you guys are awesome ;D
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Wow that's quite a machine to start out with. My advice would be to never take your fingers off that clutch during takeoff. Be ready to pull that lever at l times and have an experienced rider check it out. You could leave it at my house for a few months ;D
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Accidents happen a LOT at low speeds. I learned a lot at the MSF Advanced Rider course. Not sure if it's offered in Canada though.
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Wheelsport does not stock a lot of parts if that is all you are after. Best bet for that is to order from MGCycle or Harpers.
Make a buddy or rent a POBox in upstate NY and have your parts shipped there if the source uses UPS or FEDEX. Significant "Brokerage Fees" can be avoided by shipping USPS whenever possible.
Cheers!
G
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Here in Quebec, all riders must take a closed circuit course in order to achieve a learners permit which I think is the same as the MSF training offered in the US. We were taught with 250 rebels, which were a piece of cake compared to the griso. Riding my girlfriends bike is no trouble at all. I just wish the griso didn't snatch as much as it does in the lower rpms.
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Wheelsport does not stock a lot of parts if that is all you are after. Best bet for that is to order from MGCycle or Harpers.
Make a buddy or rent a POBox in upstate NY and have your parts shipped there if the source uses UPS or FEDEX. Significant "Brokerage Fees" can be avoided by shipping USPS whenever possible.
Cheers!
G
I'll be ordering them from MGCycle. But over $300 for crash bars is crazy. Guess its cheaper than repairs due to a downed guzzi.
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Here in Quebec, all riders must take a closed circuit course in order to achieve a learners permit which I think is the same as the MSF training offered in the US. We were taught with 250 rebels, which were a piece of cake compared to the griso. Riding my girlfriends bike is no trouble at all. I just wish the griso didn't snatch as much as it does in the lower rpms.
In the US, there is a beginner course and an advanced course. I'm recommending the advanced course - I assumed you already had something akin to the beginner course.
Enjoy!
Nic
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As far as I know, I don't think there is an advanced course. I'll check it out.
Our course involved most of the slow maneuvering such as cone weaving, emergency braking, tight circling and such. Oh ya, how to start a bike :-\
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I find that the griso requires to much throttle control and friction in order to take off smoothly from a stop without chugging.
Would the smoothness they're describing mean exactly what I'm referring to by being rough on the take off almost as if the griso wants to stall unless I feed it enough throttle?
You'll also want to look into taking up any slack in the throttle cables. Dealer setups have been known to leave these loose and it does contribute to a lot of jerkiness at take-off and low speeds.
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I'll be ordering them from MGCycle. But over $300 for crash bars is crazy. Guess its cheaper than repairs due to a downed guzzi.
MGCycle will not ship USPS. Their website claims that they have made a deal with UPS to waive brokerage fees for Canadian customers. Unfortunately, for me this was not the case. I have ordered from them several times and would not hesitate to do so again, but only if I had a US shipping address.
Cheers!
G
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I didn't think the Griso was snatchy until I bought the CB1100. Now slow speed snatchiness is the norm for her (I've been reflashing the map as the guys develop them); for the most part it's the nature of the beast. Although remapping has helped.
Folks have used the exhaust system on the Stelvio and put it on the Griso. Not aware of the inverse and I'm pretty sure it would be going backwards and I would certainly discourage it. ::)
The Griso is not a beginners bike; even the CB1100, which is MUCH easier to ride is not beginners bike (in her case it's the excess weight, not so much the power). But this like closing the barn door after the horse has left the farm. So be very careful. She has enough torque and HP to get you in trouble and into the pearly gates before you know something is amiss. :P
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The Griso is not a beginners bike; even the CB1100, which is MUCH easier to ride is not beginners bike (in her case it's the excess weight, not so much the power). But this like closing the barn door after the horse has left the farm. So be very careful. She has enough torque and HP to get you in trouble and into the pearly gates before you know something is amiss. :P
Now I wanna cry, jk.
I'm not so worried about the weight of the bike since I'm 6' 200 lbs. But I agree that torque and hp is something that can get me in trouble if I'm not careful. I just can't see myself parting with the little beast.
I'd love to get that map which people praise on how well it preforms in the low rpms and city ridding.
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Now I wanna cry, jk.
I'm not so worried about the weight of the bike since I'm 6' 200 lbs. But I agree that torque and hp is something that can get me in trouble if I'm not careful. I just can't see myself parting with the little beast.
If money and space aren't major obstacles, you could easily fit a nice used 250 or 500cc bike into the garage and do some serious low speed maneuverings (including on dirt) with that littler guy. Within a few months, the Griso will seem less of a beast to handle. (jm 2bits, ymmv)
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If money and space aren't major obstacles, you could easily fit a nice used 250 or 500cc bike into the garage and do some serious low speed maneuverings (including on dirt) with that littler guy. Within a few months, the Griso will seem less of a beast to handle. (jm 2bits, ymmv)
I agree. I may just practice with my woman's sportster for a while. That thing is a breeze to learn on. But ewww, it's a harley :-[
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I'd love to get that map which people praise on how well it preforms in the low rpms and city ridding.
Well get the cables, download the software and we'll send you a map. Simple.
Pete
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Well get the cables, download the software and we'll send you a map. Simple.
Pete
I'm down wit dat Vasco.
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Just got done with ordering them cables.
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I agree on the throttle cable adjustment.. It is simple, free & can make a huge difference
Also bear in mind to slip the clutch and keep the revs up beyond what you would with the Harley!
Then just practice!
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I agree on the throttle cable adjustment.. It is simple, free & can make a huge difference
Also bear in mind to slip the clutch and keep the revs up beyond what you would with the Harley!
Then just practice!
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Thanks for the info and encouragement Mayor ;-T
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I'd add this:
- When you practice, specifically master dragging the rear brake in low-speed maneuvering. This will also be made much easier with a good map as the off-idle response will be more stable and predictable, and you will not have to modulate the throttle at as high RPMs.
- I found the steering of my Griso -- low speed, in particular -- greatly improved with dropping the front end a bit by raising the forks in the triples. In my case, after a bit of experimentation, I preferred two notches from the stock setting of two, so four notches visible above the triple clamp. This is a personal thing and also dependent on your proportions and weight distribution on the bike, rear shock settings, tire profiles, etc. But it can affect the low- and high-speed handling quite a lot. It's a balance between sharp low speed turn-in vs. oversteer and lack of stability at high speeds. I always tune my bikes for this by dropping the front end (or raising the rear with different length shocks) until low speed turns get really sharp and effortless, then check the high speed straight-line stability and how it turns in at higher speeds. Once I go too far, at higher speeds the bike starts to oversteer and/or "fall" into corners and straight-line stability is compromised; I then back off a bit. For me, on my Griso, that happy setting was four notches visible above the top triple.
If you are a beginning rider it may take a little while to get the sense for this but ironically it's likely have the most effect at the beginner stage especially, as advanced riders will "ride around it" more easily -- just like so many other things :)
There is also a fact that while an amazing handling bike for its size, weight, and wheelbase, the Griso will never have the low speed handling of something shorter, smaller, and 150lbs lighter (talking bikes, at least). It happens to be very capable in this area but it's not where it truly excels. In this regard, technique, practice, and fine-tuning the bike's fueling and geometry will play the biggest role.
You'll be just fine!! :))
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If your throttle cables are adjusted properly and it still snatches, I would look into replacing the map with one of Beetles.
My Griso was snatchy when I got it and the new map really helped smooth things out. I still had to learn the proper throttle
control for this bike. I practice starting out smoothly and its like a different bike now. Riding a heavy bike requires a bit of
awareness so you don't get off to a bad start and I am careful where I stop so I have a good place to put my feet down, no wet leaves
or oil to slip on.
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After reading both yours and makarushka's tips and replies, I'm stoked about getting the map in her.
I noticed when getting on the throttle from a stop and go, there's a certain point where it seems to want to stall on me if I don't give more. Almost as if it wants to buck me off like a horse.
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You should be all sorted in time for the 2015 National in New Hampshire.
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You should be all sorted in time for the 2015 National in New Hampshire.
I'd love to go out there and check it out. I'm only 4hrs away. ;D
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36, you might nab "youngest rider". I will be there, lord willing and the creek don't rise ;D
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Oh yeah- one more- Make sure to keep an eye on your side stand bolts- mine fell off. I caught it before the bike fell. The factory did not use thread lock compound. Based on other confirmations here, I would vote that the board chip in to send a Wildguzzi five gallon pail of the stuff to Mandello, cause it's obvious they have never heard of Loctite.
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Wait a second-
Asylum has broke the cardinal rule of this board and no one has pointed it out: The bike does not exist until WE SEE PIX!
Get with it, you whippersnapper, and post some photos of your steed.
BTW, RE National- do you folks ever wear name tags with your forum handle so we can see who's who?
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36, you might nab "youngest rider". I will be there, lord willing and the creek don't rise ;D
Damn, how old should I be ridin this thing? Maybe it's best I keep the griso in storage til I'm 60.Wait a second-
Asylum has broke the cardinal rule of this board and no one has pointed it out: The bike does not exist until WE SEE PIX!
Get with it, you whippersnapper, and post some photos of your steed.
BTW, RE National- do you folks ever wear name tags with your forum handle so we can see who's who?
As far as pics go, she looks like every other griso se black edition. I know, you guys wanna see if I've dropped her yet ::)
I'll get some pics posted up tomorrow after I get done dinging out some dents.
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Chuck in a couple of pics of the LH throttle body too, from behind.
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Chuck in a couple of pics of the LH throttle body too, from behind.
Is there something I should be aware of Vasco?
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Lots of stuff. That's why I'm asking for a few pics.
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A while back I test-rode a used 8V Griso (MY2009, IIRC ) that I was looking to buy, and was put off by the bike's terrible off-idle fueling. The engine would seem to bog, then rev out, upon application of throttle, particularly (but not exclusively) when cold. I thought the problem was the aftermarket silencer, but the seller informed me it was the "official" Moto Guzzi Termignoni pipe.
Maybe the problem was that the bike simply needed a different map, but which one?
Also, if this problem existed in MY2009, why does it persist in MY2014? IMO, a modern, brand-new, $13,000 motorcycle should not be a do-it-yourself project.
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Also, if this problem existed in MY2009, why does it persist in MY2014? IMO, a modern, brand-new, $13,000 motorcycle should not be a do-it-yourself project.
I completely agree. Personally, I think moto guzzi relies on dealerships to get these bikes prepped properly for their clients. Maybe it's lack of competence or laziness that they aren't giving special attention to tune the bikes the way they should.
I wouldn't give the griso up for anything else, but put me back a year ago before I bought it knowing what I know now, I actually think I may have passed on that purchase. It's a shame, because these sort of situations may affect sales in the long run for new moto guzzi buyers.
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It's a shame, because these sort of situations may affect sales in the long run for new moto guzzi buyers.
I know it affects resale. The Griso I looked at was still for sale nearly a year after I looked at it -- and it was priced right, too.
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Riding your girlfriend's Harley may be part of your problem. The way the two bikes deliver power is completely different. The Guzzi really likes to be in a higher rev range than a Harley. I've been riding a very long time and just joined the Guzzi clan. It took a while longer than I expected to get used to the bike and the way I need to ride it. Best of luck to you. Get out there and practice.
Well, get out there and practice when it warms up. ;-T
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From my limited experience, the '09 models had all sorts of issues, especially with mapping. My 2012, not so much. I only remapped in search of better mileage, not better performance (idle or otherwise). Brakes from the factory are better than the '09 too. I hear the 2015 is even better!
The one thing that will help out a lot for very little money is having a local guru adjust the suspension for you. From the factory they are ball and bum busters. But they are fully adjustable and can be made to be pretty sweet on the street. I had mine done for only $30, like a completely different bike. I only noticed the difference after riding a buddies '09; the only like that was better than my bike was the way it rode. Otherwise the '12 was much better. Money well spent. You may want to wait a bit so you have a good feel for the bike and will notice the difference once fixed up.
I find the Griso sneaky fast. Other bikes gave you audio clues that the motor was winding up and working (sometimes, over working) to accelerate. Other bikes, with lots of poop, will try to stretch your arms and flatten your eye balls with rocket acceleration. You KNOW you are putting the beans to the bike. Unless well thrashed, the Griso just gets up and goes with out fuss. A roll on from 75 to pass a truck will put you at a 100mph and you will have no clue you are going that fast. Sneaky!!
Low speed handling, tight twisty bits and use in the city I find her a bit slow and heavy. The CB1100, while a tad heavier, but using skinnier tires feels much lighter on her feet and much happier is tight twisties. On the open road, fast sweepers, the Griso is much happier. In Phoenix, especially in the summer, the Griso's jugs pour off too much heat for my tastes (mostly at stop lights) so I prefer the dual sport 650L in those conditions.
There are other things to consider to make the bike your own and to suit your riding; but I think you'll have to flesh that out as you own her. We each tend to go off in different directions with our bikes. E.g. some of us prefer windscreens while others don't. Some of us like the stock seat, others need to customize it so the bum is happy.
And the motor is not like a Harley motor, much more willing to rev, does not appreciate being lugged (and has valves that need adjusting from time to time). Is very picky about the oil you feed her. Take your time getting to know her.
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Well here she is, and the throttle body you asked for Vasco.
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Nice looking se. Interesting vacuum line from the left intake tube, my 09 8v just has a plug screw there.
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The sacred screw has not been touched- my guess is that is what Pete was looking for.
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The sacred screw has not been touched- my guess is that is what Pete was looking for.
So what does this sacred screw do? Is it a good or bad thing that it hasn't been touched?
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The throttle stop screw shouldn't be messed with as doing so throws out the ability of the ECU to determine the correct amount of fuel to supply. Idle speed is governed by the stepper feed and is programmed into the ECU.
Pete
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So what does this sacred screw do? Is it a good or bad thing that it hasn't been touched?
In short, don't ever touch (or allow anyone to touch) the rear-facing, yellow-painted screw. This is set by the injection manufacturer at the time the assembly built, and should never be touched thereafter.
Hope this helps.
Shaun
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Well I guess that's why it's called the sacred screw then. :bow
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you can swap out Stelvio headers if you want but you have to relocate the oil cooler to the front of the motorcycle. Don't expect a huge HP improvement or anything, its more of a visual thing.
Also keep in mind that once you get 4-10k miles on it it will smooth out and make sure your TPS and balanced Throttle bodies are done more often early in the break in as this causes some of that jerky throttle at low RPM.
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my opinion is this. the only place you ride that bike is a wide open parking lot until your comfortable. ride the clutch as well.
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Technique. I don't want to be insulting or anything, so please don't take it that way, but start off technique on the Guzzi is completely different from a Harley or the little 250's in your training class. On those bikes, you can just ease the clutch and apply throttle when you feel the engagement. As stated earlier, the Guzzi likes to rev. So when taking off from a start, try blipping the throttle to get the RPM's up around 2000 to 2500 and then slip the clutch to get her moving. It has a pretty tall first gear so it doesn't like accelerating from right off idle. As you get a better feel for the bike, it will star to be natural and you won't even think about it. In my opinion, the CARC bikes are some of the best all around road riding machines ever built. Getting her out on a set of sweepers in pure motorcycling nirvana!
Also, as a new rider I would recommend picking up an older used 250 four stroke dual sport or straight dirt bike, to really learn and get used to sliding a bike around. Those skills can transform your street riding confidence as well.
Good luck and beautiful Griso ya got there (makes me want one bad)!
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Coming late to this conversation, a lot of good advice here already.
Mine is simple: Ride it. A lot.
The snatchiness will smooth out over time and familiarity with the bike will ease your concerns about weight and takeoff. If it were me, I'd wait on remapping until you have at least a few thousand miles on the Griso. But you should check on throttle cable adjustment, too much play there can definitely cause some jumpiness in the lower gears.
It may not be the best choice as a first bike, but the Griso gets my vote as a forever bike.
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The throttle stop screw shouldn't be messed with as doing so throws out the ability of the ECU to determine the correct amount of fuel to supply. Idle speed is governed by the stepper feed and is programmed into the ECU.
Pete
I love it when you talk like that...
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I appreciate all the info you guys have given. Parking lot practice is definitely gonna be on my priority list.
Since the bike only has 500 kms on it, I guess I'll wait before making some drastic changes.
It may not be the best choice as a first bike, but the Griso gets my vote as a forever bike.
This is the reason I chose the griso. Not saying it'll be my only one, but I don't see myself ever getting rid of it.
As for taking up the slack on the throttle cables, is there any thread explaining the steps in doing so. The fact that there are 2 adjustments, I just want to make sure to get the procedure done properly.
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The two cables at the twistgrip are open and close. Figure out which is which and don't touch the close one, it needs slack.
Loosen the adjuster on the open one at the handlebar and with the bike idling take out the slack.
If the motor picks up you have gone too far.
Get as close as you can to zero slack and then move the bars from lock to lock to make sure the idle doesn't change.
I put some blue loc-tite on my adjuster but I basically put that on everything threaded.
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just another thought here, I have purchased over 20 brand new motorcycles and I have yet to have one set up with enough air pressure in the tires. You might check? I run about 37 psi front 39 in the rear.
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I got around to adjusting the throttle cables today, and wow, what a difference it made in response as I opened the throttle. I haven't rode it, since there is snow out here, but just being at idle and twisting the throttle the difference was noticed right away.
Before adjusting them, when I would just open the throttle it would give a slight hiccup. Last season that was enough to get my full attention away from the road to concentrate on the rpm reading.
I am still looking forward when I get my cables to play around with some different maps to see how it may improve.
Once again thanks for all your help.
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The cables from Lonelec have arrived. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the o2 optimizer, turn off Lambda and adjust the Co Trim with GuzziDiag?
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Definitely get rid of the 'Optimiser', it's a ticking time bomb. Before you do anything else make sure it is properly tuned.
Pete
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Friday night when I went to the bike show, I asked the lead tech from where I bought my griso if they would be willing to check my bike to see if everything was tuned correctly. Would you believe he actually referred me to see a tuner who is about 2 1/2 hours away. So I'm guessing from his response that the griso wasn't prepped properly. Crazy.
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I traveled 14 hrs. to make sure my EV was tuned correctly, and it was well worth it. Two-and-a-half hours? Pfffft.
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I traveled 14 hrs. to make sure my EV was tuned correctly, and it was well worth it. Two-and-a-half hours? Pfffft.
I get what your saying, but I guess I expected it to be properly tuned and ready when paying 14000 on a new bike. Just doesn't make sense that they sell Moto Guzzis when the can't even prep them properly. Clients have to go out of there way and spend more money, I don't get it.
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I get what your saying, but I guess I expected it to be properly tuned and ready when paying 14000 on a new bike. Just doesn't make sense that they sell Moto Guzzis when the can't even prep them properly. Clients have to go out of there way and spend more money, I don't get it.
No, I understand. Guzzi is a small, boutique brand. They make as many motorcycles in a year as Honda makes in an afternoon. As a result, the dealer network is sketchy, at best. Best to search out those few dedicated dealers, mechanics and owners who know what they are doing, and use them as your resources.
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Friday night when I went to the bike show, I asked the lead tech from where I bought my griso if they would be willing to check my bike to see if everything was tuned correctly. Would you believe he actually referred me to see a tuner who is about 2 1/2 hours away. So I'm guessing from his response that the griso wasn't prepped properly. Crazy.
I realize how lucky we are here with Valley Moto and Moto International having terrific reps as Guzzi dealers . My new o9 Griso from Moto in Seattle was set up perfectly and so was my 012 Stelvio from Valley Moto in Chilliwack . It's a ferry ride and an 11/2 hr ride to Chilliwack but worth it to know the bike will be cared for by people passionate about Guzzi .
Your on a great path with these guys here and you've got a great bike . Welcome to the fold .
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The thing is that the W5AM/50mm TB model bikes are ridiculously easy to tune. The problems occur when people don't find out how to do it, make wrong assumptions about how the system works and fiddle with stuff they shouldn't be fiddling with!
The real problem is if they aren't tuned properly or have been messed with by people who don't know what they are doing the results can be awful. If you are a long way from a decent workshop the best bet is to learn to do it yourself.
Pete
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Take the nice ride from Montreal to Hamlin Cycles in Bethel, CT. Jim Hamlin is one of the top Guzzi guys in the east and will absolutely get your bike perfect.
Asva bonus you'll ride thru some wonderful country with great roads. We travel from Buffalo NY so he can do major service on our bikes.
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Would you believe he actually referred me to see a tuner who is about 2 1/2 hours away.
Did he give you a name?
G
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Did he give you a name?
G
Yes, Michel Roberge from Pulsion Suzuki in Drummondville.
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Good to know. thx
G
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Does balancing the TB have to be done every time a new map is installed? I was wondering when fuel changes are different from one map to another does it affect the balancing?
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No.
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Remapping doesn't alter anything 'Physical' as it were. As long as all the actual 'Mechanical' factors relevant to the engine's running are correct, (eg. Valve clearances, throttle body balance.) then what is known as 'Remapping', on the W5AM bikes is all 'electronic' for want of a better explanation.
When a map is changed it may cause certain values stored within the ECU to present differently. This is the reason that after any remap the TPS should be re-calibrated and the self learning parameters be zeroed. With the TPS interpretation it can easily be seen on the diagnostic tool if the interpretive value has changed. The self learning parameters are not shown but since any map should be built starting with a 'Clean Slate' as far as self-learning is concerned it is best if these are re-set after any operation anyway! Quite simply though both operations, both TPS calibration and self learning re-set require nothing more than two key strokes why wouldn't you do them?
Pete
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Well explained. Thanks Pete.
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Could you tell me what the clearance are for exhaust and intake at tdc. Do clearance change when the engine warms up?
K, think I found it. .1 inlet and .15 exhaust.
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The clearances were changed between the A5 and A8 motors for some reason, most likely an early response to the tappet failure problems as they may of thought the tappets were riding the cam base circles. Nothing else changed. A5 motor was speced at 0.1mm inlet/0.15mm exhaust or four and six thou, A8 and later were changed to 0.15mm inlet/0.2mm exhaust or six and eight thou. Roller tappet motors keep the six and eight gaps, set cold.
Pete
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I just checked them Pete, and the factory set them at .1mm and .15mm.
So, should I go ahead and change them?
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Mine never had any problems at 4 and 6, it's currently running 6 and 8 due to the map it's running having been built on a bike with those clearances and the change in cam timing although small, is significant. For your machine I think it won't matter a jot.
Pete
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I'm guessing the manometer will connect where the rubber hose is on each side of the TB.
(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz334/Asylum01/DSC_0891_zps961b6c64.jpg)
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Or just remove the fittings and screw in your adapters.
Pete
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Last night I ordered the "Morgan Carbtune". Do you know by any chance if their adapters fit on the griso?
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Yes.
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Beetle, would you recommend I put one of your maps once I get rid of the o2 optimizer.
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Yes. I would wait until after the first service though. Unless you are doing your own services.
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Ya, I've been planning on doing it myself.
Is it necessary to replace the oil if it's been in my garage during winter even though it only has 250 kms?
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Nope, not unless you've been starting the motor for ten minutes at a time for months to 'Warm it up'.
And get rid of that poxy 'Optimiser'!
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And get rid of that poxy 'Optimiser'!
Pete, let me know if your interested in buying it from me. ;D
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I'd rather stick red hot pins in my penis.
Pete
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Pete
I have VDST Centurian software setup. Guess I missed it but I did not see a "self learning" reset. Maybe called something else.
Please educate me.
Micky
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Undo the "hot" cable on your battery and count to ten. Your computer will forget a bunch of stuff.
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Pete
I have VDST Centurian software setup. Guess I missed it but I did not see a "self learning" reset. Maybe called something else.
Please educate me.
Micky
No idea what it would be called with the Centurian set up but the function would have to be there. As stated above though the self learners can be re-set by disconnecting the battery or pulling the main fuse.
Pete
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I don't think VDST has the trims reset.
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Really? Good grief! OK, just disconnect the battery.
Pete
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done
pulled fuses wait a bit and replace. Same procedure for BMW Rockster.
Thanks all
Micky