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Title: a bridge for rails
Post by: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
California
(http://www.dankalal.net/2015trip1/photo050.JPG)

Switzerland
(http://www.dankalal.net/2014trip13/photo085.JPG)

Germany
(http://www.dankalal.net/2013trip23/photo337.JPG)

Nebraska
(http://www.dankalal.net/2013trip13/photo027.JPG)

Slovenia
(http://www.dankalal.net/2011trip5/photo715.JPG)

New Zealand
(http://www.dankalal.net/2011trip1/photo277.JPG)

Oklahoma
(http://www.dankalal.net/2008trip18/photo032.JPG)

France
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Oklahoma
(http://www.dankalal.net/2005trip8/photo11.JPG)

Missouri
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Australia
(http://www.dankalal.net/2007trip15/photo124.JPG)

Kansas
(http://www.dankalal.net/2010trip18/photo043.JPG)

Italy
(http://www.dankalal.net/2010trip10/photo132.JPG)

Kansas
(http://www.dankalal.net/2012trip7/photo001.JPG)

England
(http://www.dankalal.net/2012trip15/photo431.JPG)
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: rocker59 on February 23, 2015, 10:46:39 AM
Samson of the Cimarron?

(http://www.dankalal.net/2012trip7/photo001.JPG)
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Spuddy on February 23, 2015, 10:49:15 AM
kewl
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: rocker59 on February 23, 2015, 10:46:39 AM
Samson of the Cimarron?

That's right.  Very good.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: oldbike54 on February 23, 2015, 10:57:51 AM
 OK , I am lousy at this , but is the Nebraska pic on one of the Platte Rivers ? Dang , love RR bridges , thanks Deke  ;-T

  Dusty
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: oldbike54 on February 23, 2015, 10:57:51 AM
OK , I am lousy at this , but is the Nebraska pic on one of the Platte Rivers ? Dang , love RR bridges , thanks Deke  ;-T

  Dusty

That's the Niobrara River--pretty steep sides and not easy for early rail to get across.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: oldbike54 on February 23, 2015, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 10:59:53 AM
That's the Niobrara River--pretty steep sides and not easy for early rail to get across.

 So my record stands at 100%  ;D

  Dusty
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: nc43bsa on February 23, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
My favorite:

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a/0_around_edinburgh_-_forth_bridge_and_forth_belle_143127_1400.jpg

I haven't seen it in person, yet.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: rocker59 on February 23, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: oldbike54 on February 23, 2015, 11:04:37 AM
So my record stands at 100%  ;D

  Dusty

Just south of Valentine Nebraska, along US-20.  Formerly Chicago & Northwestern, but now a walking trail:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~necherry/Railroad.htm

http://www.penryfamily.com/cnw/valentinebridge


Hey Daniel,

Thanks again for your thought provoking posts! Fun to dig up info on things like this.  And interesting to see how marvels of engineering that helped communities prosper are now just roadside curiosities from the past!

Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: oldbike54 on February 23, 2015, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: rocker59 on February 23, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Just south of Valentine Nebraska, along US-20.  Formerly Chicago & Northwestern, but now a walking trail:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~necherry/Railroad.htm

http://www.penryfamily.com/cnw/valentinebridge


Hey Daniel,

Thanks again for your thought provoking posts! Fun to dig up info on things like this.  And interesting to see how marvels of engineering that helped communities prosper are now just roadside curiosities from the past!



  Thanks Mikey . Yes , knew it looked familiar .

   Dusty
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: drlapo on February 23, 2015, 02:54:40 PM
damn, I gotta get out more
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Bill N on February 23, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
Interesting to see the Roman engineering influence in recent bridge design.
Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: D Knaus on February 23, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
The Missouri bridge shown is the Eads bridge between St Louis MO and East St Louis, Illinois.  I think it is one of, if not the, oldest bridges across the Mississippi.  (Opened in 1874)  It used pneumatic caissons in the construction, and 15 men died of the bends before they figured out decompression from working at depths.

I wonder how many bridges shown are older?

Years ago in northern Pennsylvania we stopped at an overlook for a tremendously high and long railroad bridge, or trestle, not over a river but over a valley.  The structure had been hit by a tornado the year before, and was partially gone.  Anyone know the name of that trestle?

-Dale
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: rocker59 on February 23, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: D Knaus on February 23, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
The Missouri bridge shown is the Eads bridge between St Louis MO and East St Louis, Illinois.  I think it is one of, if not the, oldest bridges across the Mississippi.  (Opened in 1874)  It used pneumatic caissons in the construction, and 15 men died of the bends before they figured out decompression from working at depths.

I wonder how many bridges shown are older?

Years ago in northern Pennsylvania we stopped at an overlook for a tremendously high and long railroad bridge, or trestle, not over a river but over a valley.  The structure had been hit by a tornado the year before, and was partially gone.  Anyone know the name of that trestle?

-Dale

Government Bridge at Rock Island Illinois was the first railroad bridge over The Mississippi, in the 1850s.

Eads is interesting because it carries highway traffic on the top deck and rail traffic on the lower deck. 

Eads Bridge had some firsts, though:  longest arch bridge in the world (in 1874), with an overall length of 6,442 feet; the first bridge to be built using cantilever support methods exclusively; the use of steel as a primary structural material.

As you mentioned, using caissons was a pioneering method.

Keystone Bridge Company was a major contractor for Eads on the bridge project.  The company was owned by steel magnate Andrew Carnegie, so there is lots of Carnegie's steel in the bridge.

Eads Bridge was a monster in its day, but now is just one of several bridges over The Missippi River at St. Louis.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Eads_Bridge_panorama_20090119.jpg/1500px-Eads_Bridge_panorama_20090119.jpg)
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: ozziguzzi on February 23, 2015, 08:08:29 PM
Australia - swing bridge.

I'd say on the Darling river , probably Bourke because Wilcannia has a lift bridge.?
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: john fish on February 23, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
Quote from: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 10:36:00 AM

Australia
(http://www.dankalal.net/2007trip15/photo124.JPG)


Too cool.  I was wondering if that was a swiveling bridge.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Daniel Kalal on February 23, 2015, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozziguzzi on February 23, 2015, 08:08:29 PM
Australia - swing bridge.  I'd say on the Darling river , probably Bourke because Wilcannia has a lift bridge.?

La Trobe River Swing Bridge in Victoria near Sale.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: SED on February 23, 2015, 11:57:12 PM
Great pictures!

Here's one of my favorites:
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn233/shawnsci/IMG_3111_zpsa66b02fe.jpg)

A wye over a bridge through a tunnel.
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: oldbike54 on February 24, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
Quote from: SED on February 23, 2015, 11:57:12 PM
Great pictures!

Here's one of my favorites:
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn233/shawnsci/IMG_3111_zpsa66b02fe.jpg)

A wye over a bridge through a tunnel.

 OH YEAH !

  Dusty
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: rocker59 on February 24, 2015, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: oldbike54 on February 24, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
OH YEAH !

  Dusty

That's pretty cool!

Keddie Wye in northern California.

http://www.american-rails.com/keddie-wye.html
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: D Knaus on February 24, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Nobody replied with the bridge in Pennsylvania, so I had to look it up.  Hate it when the memory fails.
The bridge is called the Kinzua Bridge or the Kinzua Viaduct.  2,000 ft long and 300 ft high.
Don't know if it is still there (what's left of it), it was North of Hwy 6, west of Smethport, Pa.
-Dale
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: D Knaus on February 24, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Nobody replied with the bridge in Pennsylvania, so I had to look it up.  Hate it when the memory fails.
The bridge is called the Kinzua Bridge or the Kinzua Viaduct.  2,000 ft long and 300 ft high.
Don't know if it is still there (what's left of it), it was North of Hwy 6, west of Smethport, Pa.
-Dale

The ends are still there. State park now that a tornado took out the center of the bridge

https://www.google.com/search?q=kinzua+viaduct&biw=1280&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2_btVNu2AoKENsKPg7AL&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQsAQ

Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: Dean Rose on February 25, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 10:23:24 AM
The ends are still there. State park now that a tornado took out the center of the bridge

https://www.google.com/search?q=kinzua+viaduct&biw=1280&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2_btVNu2AoKENsKPg7AL&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQsAQ



http://www.smethporthistory.org/kinzuaviaduct/
Title: Re: a bridge for rails
Post by: rdbandkab on February 25, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
From a trip north...

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