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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: not-fishing on February 26, 2015, 10:09:03 AM
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Guzzi has been first at getting a Movie Star Spokesman and now Indian is following suit.
(http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/15/09/980x490/landscape_1424885540-mark.jpg)
We talk to Wahlberg about the ultimate motorcycle movie and his newest hobby: "riding the canyons on a Sunday morning when there's no traffic."
http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/cars/interviews/a33335/mark-wahlberg-motorcycles-interview/
I think it's a good thing, more motorcycle riders more riders see the light and move to Guzzi.
I also like the Indian brand, my grandfather had one more than half a century ago.
Now why can't I get a gig like this, sure I'm a little old, bald and paunchy but I can look tough and scary given the right "soft focus" lense ::(
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Riding canyons? OK, Scout. ;)
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Apparently Polarindian is using Wahlberg to promote a line of Indian branded clothing . Sorry , that type of marketing always makes me indifferent to the product being marketed . Impossible to buy cool . Of course the campaign will probably be a huge success ::) :D
Dusty
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;-T
Smart for the brands to hire guys like Ewan and Mark.
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I think its a good move, but I always think of this SNL skit when I see Mark Wahlberg.
Mark Wahlberg Talks to Animals (https://screen.yahoo.com/mark-wahlberg-talks-animals-000000362.html)
Say hello to your mother for me, okay?
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Apparently Polarindian is using Wahlberg to promote a line of Indian branded clothing . Sorry , that type of marketing always makes me indifferent to the product being marketed . Impossible to buy cool . Of course the campaign will probably be a huge success ::) :D
Dusty
Impossible to buy cool..... Don't tell the Harley and Chopper guys that.
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Impossible to buy cool..... Don't tell the Harley and Chopper guys that.
Buying stuff is how you become faux cool, not the real thing like Steve McQueen, but he's not around any more so............
Cool is something I've never had a need to be. :)
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Impossible to buy cool..... Don't tell the Harley and Chopper guys that.
:D :D :D :D :D
Or the folks that buy those Von Dutch T-shirts .
Dusty
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:D :D :D :D :D
Or the folks that buy those Von Dutch T-shirts .
Dusty
I have a "Von Dutch is DEAD" t-shirt.
Does that make me cool ?
I value it dearly. Right up there with the "Moto F-ing Guzzi" t-shirts of a few years ago.
~;
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OK, let me start this analysis/opinion by saying I'm already on the record for liking the new Indians and I really enjoyed riding (and could own) a new Scout.
I'll add that I've usually enjoyed Mark's work as an actor and have nothing personally against him or his persona.
That said
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
It's frustrating now, because I'm trying to teach my sons how to ride a bike with gears, because they have these little automatic shifties—you don't do anything but get on there, just rev it up. They see me doing all the kinds of tricks and stuff I can do on my bike, but they don't wanna mess with the gears. I've gotta get 'em there.
What was your first bike?
The first bike that I've actually owned myself is the new Scout. I was given a bike and then it was taken away from me about 12 to 15 years ago. We won't get into that, but yeah, the Scout is the first one that I've really owned. If I'm under contract or something, I'm not able to ride. Or if my wife is having a panic attack. But I'm figuring out cool ways to be able to ride. We just shot Daddy's Home with Will Ferrell, and Indian plays a really crucial part in the movie. So we got to ride quite a bit. I was actually riding the last three months.
So what got you back into motorcycling? Did you approach Indian?
No, they actually approached us about being a brand ambassador. I was like, "Are you kidding me? I'm very familiar with the brand, I love the bikes, and I love the new Scout, especially."
I think the bolds say it all. He could have given two craps about motorcycles, but Indian approached him with $$$ and he's trying to put the best spin on it he can and act like he really is a motorcyclist.
Sorry bud... I mean, good on ya for making the money and I hope you bring the brand exposure, maybe you'll even discover motorcycles in the process, but in that interview YOU'RE ACTING.
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OK, let me start this analysis/opinion by saying I'm already on the record for liking the new Indians and I really enjoyed riding (and could own) a new Scout.
I'll add that I've usually enjoyed Mark's work as an actor and have nothing personally against him or his persona.
That said
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
I think the bolds say it all. He could have given two craps about motorcycles, but Indian approached him with $$$ and he's trying to put the best spin on it he can and act like he really is a motorcyclist.
Sorry bud... I mean, good on ya for making the money and I hope you bring the brand exposure, maybe you'll even discover motorcycles in the process, but in that interview YOU'RE ACTING.
:+1
Dean
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Dang Kev ;D
AW , cool exists only in the absence of a desire to be perceived as cool , kinda like most of us here ;-T Weird , odd,
different , strange , silly , eccentric ... sure ;D
Mikey , wish they still made those T's with Taz on the MC , "Taz want go Vroom Vroom" :D
Dusty
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Ha Ha ... the perception of coolness really does work in promoting the product.
Before the cool treatment...
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/dean2_zpsv8nosj1u.jpg)
"Hi my name is James Dean and I ride a new Dues Stroker 250 and you can too!"
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Then Triumph discovered him...
(http://motorcycleppf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/triumph-tr5-james-dean.png)
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Then Triumph discovered him...
(http://motorcycleppf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/triumph-tr5-james-dean.png)
Actually I think JD discovered Triumph . Two things re Dean , he is often shown astride HDs in modern posters depicting the 1950s so folks believe he rode them , not true , and his wearing of the plain white T-shirt in "Rebel' caused a great increase in sales of plain white T's . Find it amusing that there is a whole industry built around T's with Dean's likeness plastered on them , something he probably would not have worn ::) ;)
Dusty
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Honestly , this kind of advertisement "strategy" of hiring a cool and popular actor /singer/etc does not work for me .
I tend to go the opposite way.
I do not like the indian scout anyway , so even if Marilyn Monroe will drive one , i won't buy one.
Good for Mark and i hope polaris marketing strategy will pay off , but i think that within few years , the new "indian" will sink.
Ciao
I would love to see Mark hamburgers ride a bike LMAoooooo
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Keep in mind that actors are professional liars. From the interview with Marky Mark, it appears that his new-found love of motorcycles, and Indian motorcycles in particular, is not much more than an extension of some clever product placement in one of his new movies.
On the other hand, I have no doubt that Ewan McGregor is a genuine motorcycle enthusiast and a Guzzisti.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/23/25FCCFE700000578-2963614-image-a-1_1424686643875.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2963614/Ewan-McGregor-pulls-Independent-Spirit-Awards-vintage-Italian-motorcycle.html
(Of course, we all recognize that the "vintage Italian motorcycle" McGregor rode to the Awards show was a new California 1400, but at least the reporter correctly identified it as a Moto Guzzi.)
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Good for Mark and i hope polaris marketing strategy will pay off , but i think that within few years , the new "indian" will sink.
Why do you think that?
All indications are that the new Indians are selling very well and are well received by the segment of the motorcycle population to which they are being marketed.
I've heard many a story of former HD riders who now tour the country on their new Indians.
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Honestly , this kind of advertisement "strategy" of hiring a cool and popular actor /singer/etc does not work for me .
I'd be willing to bet that it wasn't intended to...
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I'd be willing to bet that it wasn't intended to...
Yep , we are not the target demographic . Could be why most of us are here , and not over there ;)
Dusty
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I've heard many a story of former HD riders who now tour the country on their new Indians.
The local Indian dealer's Facebook page is filled with old d00ds trading Harley 'glides in on new Chiefs.
And, the dealership is doing a bang-up business in used Harleys!
Some of the trades are the big Asian touring cruisers, but apparently there is a large contingent of E-glide owners who are ready/willing to try something new and different.
And to be honest, after riding a Chief Vintage last fall, I wouldn't mind having one. :o
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Yep , we are not the target demographic . Could be why most of us are here , and not over there ;)
Dusty
I'm pretty sure Ewan and Mark are intended to appeal to the Gen-X and younger crowd.
People under 50, and hopefully people in their 30s who are able to spend a little discretionary cash.
Indian does have some greybeards in some of its advertising, but selling to Baby Boomers is a plan that has seen its day.
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The local Indian dealer's Facebook page is filled with old d00ds trading Harley 'glides in on new Chiefs.
And, the dealership is doing a bang-up business in used Harleys!
Some of the trades are the big Asian touring cruisers, but apparently there is a large contingent of E-glide owners who are ready/willing to try something new and different.
And to be honest, after riding a Chief Vintage last fall, I wouldn't mind having one. :o
UH OH ;D What did I call you before ... ? :o
Dusty
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I finally got to see the new Scout, at the Progressive Motorcycle Show in Miami last month. It's very nice.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/youcanrunnaked/me%20on%20scout_zpsandmokuh.jpg)
The local Indian dealer has my name and number. I am looking forward to a test-ride.
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I finally got to see the new Scout, at the Progressive Motorcycle Show in Miami last month. It's very nice.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/youcanrunnaked/me%20on%20scout_zpsandmokuh.jpg)
The local Indian dealer has my name and number. I am looking forward to a test-ride.
Craig , see you are dressed for the task at hand ;D
Dusty
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The local Indian dealer has my name and number. I am looking forward to a test-ride.
Nice engine and transmission. Solid feeling bike. Not a lot of ground clearance, and a really stretched-out riding position. Apparently, they've struck a chord and can't keep up with demand, but in its current form I'd never want to own one.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2014-September-27-BBBQ/i-jNnQwBd/2/L/DSC_0122-L.jpg)
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Dusty: MotoGP cap; Suzuki T-shirt, Moto Guzzi lanyard / credentials holder, with motorcycle-related pins. Yup, I'm a nerd. (I am sure that the very attractive young Indian spokesmodel who took that picture was duly impressed -- Not!)
Rocker: The feet-forward position didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, but the seat did not feel as good as it looked -- too much pressure on my tailbone. The bike itself seemed well-finished, and I think it's priced right for what it is. Would I buy one today? Probably not, but I try to keep an open mind about such things.
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Nice engine and transmission. Solid feeling bike. Not a lot of ground clearance, and a really stretched-out riding position. Apparently, they've struck a chord and can't keep up with demand, but in its current form I'd never want to own one.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2014-September-27-BBBQ/i-jNnQwBd/2/L/DSC_0122-L.jpg)
I just don't get the stretched out riding position comment. I don't recall you being shorter than me... so it must be a subjective thing. But I don't think it's any different from a Cali 1400, Chief, or RK.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vahBRp4EryI/VDnp_KB_NCI/AAAAAAAABGY/ejim90qbeYU/w1035-h776-no/tapatalk_1413081581880.jpeg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iJ5Hbfd9y84/VO9rVvpcTfI/AAAAAAAAEAY/rxtc46tWKI0/w1184-h765-no/IMG_20130823_124053_631a.jpg)
EDIT - MAYBE IT'S THE FLOOR BOARDS... cause when you're NOT about to shift or brake you can reposition your feet further back.
The CONTROLS themselves are in about the same positions, but your feet don't have to be all the time on the Chiefs.
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for me, the Scout would need this seat (4- or 5-inch height increase), covered in tan leather, and the foot pegs moved back about 12-inches.
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You guys need to be careful , Polarindian will be using those pics in their advertising campaign . Just make sure they pay ;D
Dusty
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EDIT - MAYBE IT'S THE FLOOR BOARDS... cause when you're NOT about to shift or brake you can reposition your feet further back.
The CONTROLS themselves are in about the same positions, but your feet don't have to be all the time on the Chiefs.
I think it's the boards. When I rode the Chief, I moved the balls of my feet to the back of the boards. Moved my feet around a lot, actually.
It's still very "cruiser-ish" for me. Seat too low, knees too high, feet too far forward, but I enjoyed the Chief more than the Scout.
I was surprised.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2014-September-27-BBBQ/i-fHkhNJm/2/M/DSC_0015-M.jpg) (http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2014-September-27-BBBQ/i-jNnQwBd/2/M/DSC_0122-M.jpg)
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PS - the Scout has an advertised lean angle of 31 degrees, which is pretty darn good for the market segment.
In comparison that's MORE than any current model Sportster or Softail, and equal to the entire Dyna line (except the Wide Glide goes 0.9 degrees more to one side), and equal to or within ONE DEGREE of all Vrods and Touring Models.
It's a shame Indian/Polaris doesn't seem to publish lean angle specs on the rest of their line, cause I BET YOU a comparison would look the same.
And I DOUBT the Cali 1400 goes MUCH further over than that...
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I think it's the boards. When I rode the Chief, I moved the balls of my feet to the back of the boards. Moved my feet around a lot, actually.
It's still very "cruiser-ish" for me. Seat too low, knees too high, feet too far forward, but I enjoyed the Chief more than the Scout.
I was surprised.
Boards are actually cool like that - very comfortable allowing multiple foot and let positions/angles over a long ride.
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PS - the Scout has an advertised lean angle of 31 degrees, which is pretty darn good for the market segment.
In comparison that's MORE than any current model Sportster or Softail, and equal to the entire Dyna line (except the Wide Glide goes 0.9 degrees more to one side), and equal to or within ONE DEGREE of all Vrods and Touring Models.
It's a shame Indian/Polaris doesn't seem to publish lean angle specs on the rest of their line, cause I BET YOU a comparison would look the same.
And I DOUBT the Cali 1400 goes MUCH further over than that...
The guy behind me dragged pegs or mufflers on a tight right-hander on our test ride. I consciously tried to avoid that. I know it's (really) good for it's market segment, but when I'm used to riding a sporty bike, the limited ground clearance is very noticeable.
I've resigned myself to the fact that they didn't build the Scout for me. If they had, it would look more like the nuovo Norton Commando or Bonneville. But, I'm sure they'll sell lots more of them in the FF cruiser layout than they would if it had been configured as a classic standard.
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Well, you know as well as most here that half the guys riding those types of bikes are scared to lean.
If someone behind you dragged something it's JUST as likely they weren't leaning with the bike (ya know, keeping themselves upright), causing them to have to physically lean the bike itself further than was necessary for the turn.
Like I've probably told 100 times. I've got a buddy who used to race GSXRs who hunts sportbikes on his stock suspension Dyna Street Bob.
I've held off sportbikes in the twisties on a stock 883L.
and I've had my ass handed to me on a Breva 1100 by a crazy-Finn on a clapped out overloaded Quota.
It's about the rider not the bike.
Of course, I get it, you're typically the type of rider who would use more than what those bikes offer in terms of lean. Which means you would either have to adjust your riding to the bike or forget about that type of bike, Chief OR Scout.
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We got the email about his clothing line this morning at the shop, and we had a few laughs about that ridiculous interview at all the spots Kev bolded above.
That said, it's brilliant, and it'll sell more of what is already a very popular clothing apparel line. 'Our Guy' is a more legitimate rider and representative of a motorcycle brand, but this is exactly the type of thing I wish Guzzi/Piaggio did more of (ie brand marketing).
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Why do you think that?
All indications are that the new Indians are selling very well and are well received by the segment of the motorcycle population to which they are being marketed.
I've heard many a story of former HD riders who now tour the country on their new Indians.
I think that most of HD owners that are "bored" with the same old HD thing are moving toward the new indians , which is good .
Also new riders that did not like HD , are liking the Indians , positive thing too.
Indians is bringing some fresh air on the american cruiser market , so if before the only option was HD or Victory ( ohh well ) now Indians is an option and numbers are showing that so far , they are selling... and they are expanding.
After the "honey moon" period , Polaris/Indian will need to keep up the good job done so far , keeping the old client and add new ones and that's not easy task, not easy to compete with HD . for many reason .
Indian will have to sell enough motorcycle so the aftermarket parts makers will start investing in making custom parts for indians.
That will attire more and more riders toward indians.
riders are moving toward indians because they do not want to be all the same ( not all but some ) , then indians owners will want to customize their beloved bike to be different from other indians' riders.
We all know that HD is the most "customisable" bike ever, period.
Time will tell .
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Endorsements from a "fake" biker or not, the new Indian clothing line is pretty nice, and unlike the meager selection of Moto Guzzi licensed merch, it's priced and sized right, too. I bought a nice baseball style antique-look Indian T-shirt at the Motorcycle Show -- perfect fit and it was only $21.00.
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We bought two Scouts. Maybe they should have hired me! Or my wife, she's cooler than Marky-Mark.
I like his acting. Bits of his personal history and how he handles it now, not so much.
And Guzzi content!
I know of 3 individuals who ordered Scouts, who bailed because they couldn't handle the wait. 2 out of 3 bought Guzzis instead, 1 V7 and 1 1400. The third bought a Victory Gunner.
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I finally got to see the new Scout, at the Progressive Motorcycle Show in Miami last month. It's very nice.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/youcanrunnaked/me%20on%20scout_zpsandmokuh.jpg)
The local Indian dealer has my name and number. I am looking forward to a test-ride.
My saw this and said you look lovely in capri's what ever those are.... ~;
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Ewan was fantastically cool when I was able to hang out with him while working a booth on Ducati Island at Laguna Seca in 2002. He was definitely a "Guzzi Guy" back then, he went on about his love of Guzzi's (strong talk for Ducati Island). He did auction off his '06 California Vintage with all the proceeds going to Unicef. He replaced the CalVin with a Black Griso, He's been seen several times bombing around LA on both a V1000 convert and an 850 Eldo. Even when they were shooting the Long Way Around he was riding to the shop every day on the Griso. So, based on that, I'd say he's the real deal. I'd much rather have Ewan repping "my bike" than Mark Mark.
Oh, and here's the worst picture of me ever taken with a much younger Obi Wan.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uZUH3mMGV44/VO-MEzGG-1I/AAAAAAAAA3A/lp8IGuRsxVQ/s1600/ewanphil.jpg)
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My saw this and said you look lovely in capri's what ever those are.... ~;
Looks like regular cargo shorts, plus an Ace Bandage on the left knee...
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My saw this and said you look lovely in capri's what ever those are.... ~;
It's a pair of shorts with an Ace bandage on my left knee. A lot of walking at the MC Show, and I have a torn PCL. Thanks for your concern. :-*
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Why do you think that?
All indications are that the new Indians are selling very well and are well received by the segment of the motorcycle population to which they are being marketed.
I've heard many a story of former HD riders who now tour the country on their new Indians.
Maybe the "Indian will sink" comment is just a projection of the hope based on the fact that (as we've discussed), people who are influenced by fake, posing, wisht-they-had-a-motorcycle actors are the ones that will be buying Indians? Or at least "targeted" to buy them?
I don't know; I don't have a dog in the fight, because "riders" like the BS-BS-BS guy you pointed out will always be a percentage of the people you see posing out there, and that percentage, having not changed much over the years, will likely not change much more because Mark someone or Marilyn Monroe or whoever is selling motorcycles based on The Cool Factor ....
Lannis
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A bit of research revealed Polarindian's true motivation for hiring this Wahlberg fella . Apparently during this guys formative stages he was known as Marky Mark and performed a song called ... wait for it
Good vibrations
Obviously this will open up a plethora of marketing options . Brilliant !
Dusty
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^^^ How did I miss that connection? Brilliant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efJZDJTACes
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I think that most of HD owners that are "bored" with the same old HD thing are moving toward the new indians , which is good .
Also new riders that did not like HD , are liking the Indians , positive thing too.
Indians is bringing some fresh air on the american cruiser market , so if before the only option was HD or Victory ( ohh well ) now Indians is an option and numbers are showing that so far , they are selling... and they are expanding.
After the "honey moon" period , Polaris/Indian will need to keep up the good job done so far , keeping the old client and add new ones and that's not easy task, not easy to compete with HD . for many reason .
Indian will have to sell enough motorcycle so the aftermarket parts makers will start investing in making custom parts for indians.
That will attire more and more riders toward indians.
riders are moving toward indians because they do not want to be all the same ( not all but some ) , then indians owners will want to customize their beloved bike to be different from other indians' riders.
We all know that HD is the most "customisable" bike ever, period.
Time will tell .
All good points.
Though I'll say Indian seems to be getting the mechanicals right. And the branding, and they've got some deep pockets behind them, so there are ticks in their favor.
So I guess, as you say, time will tell.
But I'm cautiously optimistic, because competition makes the breed stronger and that's good for everyone.
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The only thing that doesn't appeal to me is their flat sided fenders, looks great on the tank though.
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I wasn't sure about that myself, until seeing it in person. It really looks cohesive to me now.
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^^^ I agree. The bike looks better than the photos of it suggest.
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OK, let me start this analysis/opinion by saying I'm already on the record for liking the new Indians and I really enjoyed riding (and could own) a new Scout.
I'll add that I've usually enjoyed Mark's work as an actor and have nothing personally against him or his persona.
That said
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
I think the bolds say it all. He could have given two craps about motorcycles, but Indian approached him with $$$ and he's trying to put the best spin on it he can and act like he really is a motorcyclist.
Sorry bud... I mean, good on ya for making the money and I hope you bring the brand exposure, maybe you'll even discover motorcycles in the process, but in that interview YOU'RE ACTING.
Like to add.............. whats with the NEW work boots?? :D Not to be confused with new riding boots.....
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MCN has a interesting article on the designing of the Scout this month.
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Even if Monica Bellucci endorsed the bikes, I still wouldn't want one.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PlE_9JNQlDQ/UWua5Y2qQ1I/AAAAAAAD0kc/8EY3Erhh6ZE/s1600/IMG_5515.PNG)
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It is easy to be cool on a motorcycle these days. Today's high here in Indiana is going to be 20 degrees below normal reaching 26 degrees. As far as someone named Ewan or Mark deciding what the definition of cool or a life style related to motorcycles, they have a lot of work to do. I have no idea who either one of these two people are, what they do, where they live or what the ride or drive. My choice's in life are usually dictated by my personal interest and financial means, not being a copy cat. Wearing clothing with a promoting brand name on it will be free or I will not be wearing it. Even my wore out Moto Guzzi hat was a door prize.
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Now I get to claim BS. Sure you may not buy something based on an endorsement but you will look and pay attention. maybe to much attention :wife:
Right now the Fiat Abarth has gotten my attention, having a 74 X1/9 for a number of years has made me susceptible to Italian Advertising -- like Guzzi.
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/catrinel_menghia_fiat_500_abarth_espn_facebook_2012_4.18khiz179xr4gsw0wwok408g8.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
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The only single thing that bothers/worries me about the whole Mark thing here is I fear he might miss some acting due to injury; Scout seems a little large for a first bike.
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I love it when an anti-hipster says they have no idea who Ewan McGregor is. Like we are supposed to believe you never heard of the Star Wars movies. Sure... whatever you say.... ::)
Such comments do not identify you as a rugged individual; it just makes us wonder what rock you've been living under.
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HIPSTER
Craig , I've seen all of the Star Wars movies , never noticed Ewan M in any of them , was he a storm trooper ?
Wait , was he even born when Carrie was prancing around lokking like the Queen of the desert ?
Oh , a bit of research turns up another set of Star Wars movies made more recently , have heard rumors of their existence , but have never watched them , seriously . Are they worth watching , and what role does E.M. play ? Is he the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher risen to greatness ?
HIPSTER
Dusty
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Dusty, having fun or serious question (or both)?
Young Obi Wan if serious....
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Dusty, having fun or serious question (or both)?
Young Obi Wan if serious....
A bit of both Kev :D Have watched about 30 minutes of one of the movies made in this century , but not until a couple of years ago . There was same strange alien creature acting like a tweeker , lost interest .
No anti hipster sentiment here , heck , aren't you a bit of one ? ;D Guzzistajohn says that I am a bit of one myself , dunno .
Hipster
Dusty
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A bit of both Kev :D Have watched about 30 minutes of one of the movies made in this century , but not until a couple of years ago . There was same strange alien creature acting like a tweeker , lost interest .
No anti hipster sentiment here , heck , aren't you a bit of one ? ;D Guzzistajohn says that I am a bit of one myself , dunno .
Hipster
Dusty
A bit of what?
Read in a gay Guatemalan accent
"Imme a Gom-bin-ay-shun of Lucy AND Ricky"
:BEER:
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A bit of what?
Read in a gay Guatemalan accent
"Imme a Gom-bin-ay-shun of Lucy AND Ricky"
:BEER:
:D :D :D :D :D :D
A bit of serious , a bit of silly . YCRN knows me well enough to recognize my , er , twisted sense of humor ;D
Hipster
Dusty
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But did you get the movie reference? ???
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But did you get the movie reference? ???
Guessing the was from Leguizamo's character in "to Wong Fu and thanks for everything Julie Newmar " . Great
flick , but my movie quote skills are lousy at best :D
Dusty
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Guessing the was from Leguizamo's character in "to Wong Fu and thanks for everything Julie Newmar " . Great
flick , but my movie quote skills are lousy at best :D
Dusty
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz
Hank Azaria's character in The Birdcage - Agador Spartacus.
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The only thing that doesn't appeal to me is their flat sided fenders, looks great on the tank though.
Sorry, but I can't get past the butte ugly radiator. :-\
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Even if Monica Bellucci endorsed the bikes, I still wouldn't want one.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PlE_9JNQlDQ/UWua5Y2qQ1I/AAAAAAAD0kc/8EY3Erhh6ZE/s1600/IMG_5515.PNG)
If she made "Sun Tea" with her thong, I would buy it.
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Sorry, but I can't get past the butte ugly radiator. :-\
I haven't really found a radiator (or even an oil cooler) I thought was attractive yet.
What I will say is that the bike sits very low. So when you're actually standing anywhere near it that radiator is so much less noticeable than it is in pics it's not funny.
To see it in person how it looks in pics you usually have to be crouching or full on sitting on the ground.
Anyway, the radiator practically disappears in person.
And this is coming from a guy who generally HATES water-cooled bikes on principle.
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bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hank Azaria's character in The Birdcage - Agador Spartacus.
Guess I missed that , Robin Williams , correct ?
Dusty
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Guess I missed that , Robin Williams , correct ?
Dusty
Robin Williams, Nathan Lane, Gene Hackman (frickin' hilarious in this role), Dianne West, Calista Flockhart...
If you like Robin Williams it's a must see.
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Is this the place to point out the Scout has a flat tappet engine?
And the recommended oil is 15W60?
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Is this the place to point out the Scout has a flat tappet engine?
And the recommended oil is 15W60?
OK? point?
Personally I don't think there is a universal problem with flat tappet motors and modern oils.
If there is a problem with certain Guzzis I'm under the impression it is cooling and ambient temp/humidity related.
IF that's true it should have absolutely ZERO effect on the Scout since it's water-cooled meaning it should easily come up to operating temp and purge moisture from the oil in the worst of conditions where an aggressively air-cooled motor might not.
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No point, Kev, I'm not a flat-tappet hater either. Remember, I bought two of the things.
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No point, Kev, I'm not a flat-tappet hater either. Remember, I bought two of the things.
Sorry, I think I was about to make a bad hungover assumption...
And yeah, I totally forgot that..... See hangover :)
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Since I guess this is the celebrity thread, I see in the WSJ that Keanu Reeves is backing/involved in producing the KRGT-1. A typical Dan Neil article, that is to say a bit different.
And the bike-S&S engined, a bit basic, I kind of like that sort of thing these days.
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Back on topic, if the celeb is a real regular rider, yeah that's cool and gets some attention for the brand being pushed. So I agree with those that call BS on the Scout endorsement (all about the $$$). EM is a rider so better on his endorsement.
However, I would never buy something, other than maybe a hair product ;) , just because a celeb tells me to. I value the opinion of real riders I have met, guys that ride a lot, can ride well, and have a passion for riding, way over any paid pretty face.
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Entertainer's have been endorsing stuff forever.
(http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/59559ad9ca9a3c5de90e764a0be54392/201578860/000EBD81-77E5-13E8-A0140C01AC1BF814-16515.jpg)
"In 2011, everyone's favorite old rocker turned reality TV star Ozzy Osbourne appeared in a commercial with celebrity impersonator Jon Culshaw. Get it? Ozzy couldn't tell the difference between real butter and the artificial kind, and we weren't supposed to be able to tell the difference between Ozzy and his impersonator."
I wonder if Ozzy even knew what he was endorsing? ;D
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Don't tell me Marky Mark is going to assume a persona, exploit a niche group's fashion, vocabulary, and social cues.. And pretend to be something he is not.... Just to sell product??
No way never say it ain't so!
(http://ragerestrpt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Mark-Wahlberg_510x317.jpg)
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Darren , all this time I thought you WERE our pretty face ;)
Cat , Ozzie may not have been sure the impersonator wasn't the real Ozzie ???
Dusty
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Boards are actually cool like that - very comfortable allowing multiple foot and let positions/angles over a long ride.
:+1
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Darren , all this time I thought you WERE our pretty face ;)
Cat , Ozzie may not have been sure the impersonator wasn't the real Ozzie ???
Dusty
I want some of Darren's endorsed hair products.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Cat , Ozzie may not have been sure the impersonator wasn't the real Ozzie ???
Dusty
Sharon probably told him that he was looking at a mirror.
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Don't tell me Marky Mark is going to assume a persona, exploit a niche group's fashion, vocabulary, and social cues.. And pretend to be something he is not.... Just to sell product??
No way never say it ain't so!
(http://ragerestrpt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Mark-Wahlberg_510x317.jpg)
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Mark Wahlberg wearing a Malcolm X T-shirt. Borders on the obscene, really.
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That famous photo of Malcolm X is of him, at his home, protecting his family from threats by the Nation of Islam. So it's actually a powerful statement of gun rights (?). Although it sure looks staged.
At the risk of taking this completely off-topic.
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That famous photo of Malcolm X is of him, at his home, protecting his family from threats by the Nation of Islam. So it's actually a powerful statement of gun rights (?). Although it sure looks staged.
At the risk of taking this completely off-topic.
Oh, we could go WAAAYYY off topic with that! :D
But the topic of getting trained Hollywood poodles to tout motorcycles is odd enough already .... !
Lannis
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...it's actually a powerful statement of gun rights (?). Although it sure looks staged.
May have been staged by a journalist. The image was featured in a article in Ebony Magazine in the fall of '64.
However, the jungle-clipped M1 Carbine is real, and is loaded. And, I doubt the reporter brought it as a prop.
He was paranoid, and later events proved that it did mean they were out to get him...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Malcolmxm1carbine3gr.gif)
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Just for the record I wasn't trying to make any statements about race in America or Malcom X
I was just pointing out Mr. Marky has a pattern on jumping on whatever trend is convenient at the time.
I grew up with Marky a mark and have seen him go from
Poor 'southie white trash'
To
Violent racist street thug
To
Wanna be boy-band member
To
White rapper pop sensation
To
'Serious actor'
To
HBO bro-series 'entourage' producer / big Hollywood muckety-muck
To
Devoted catholic family man
To
Raunchy comedy actor
To
Rugged, authentic, motorcycle-riding clothing designer
So yeah, not impressed
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I'm not a huge Ewan fan, at least he never beat anyone blind with a stick and he is a REAL petrol head and true believer and long-time (pre endorsement deal) Guzzisti
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Just for the record I wasn't trying to make any statements about race in America or Malcom X
I was just pointing out Mr. Marky has a pattern on jumping on whatever trend is convenient at the time.
I grew up with Marky a mark and have seen him go from
Poor 'southie white trash'
To
Violent racist street thug
To
Wanna be boy-band member
To
White rapper pop sensation
To
'Serious actor'
To
HBO bro-series 'entourage' producer / big Hollywood muckety-muck
To
Devoted catholic family man
To
Raunchy comedy actor
To
Rugged, authentic, motorcycle-riding clothing designer
So yeah, not impressed
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Not for nothing, but aren't we allowed to reinvent ourselves in life? And, more so, isn't THAT the primary job of an entertainer?
I haven't followed his career (or really any entertainer's career, past casual perusals of their work), but had he made outrageous claims as to his past or life?
I call bull on how much he was actually interested in Indian or bikes, but past that, big deal. It's not like he's delivering the nightly news.
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If she made "Sun Tea" with her thong, I would buy it.
That made me laugh out loud, thanks!
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Not for nothing, but aren't we allowed to reinvent ourselves in life? And, more so, isn't THAT the primary job of an entertainer?
I haven't followed his career (or really any entertainer's career, past casual perusals of their work), but had he made outrageous claims as to his past or life?
I call bull on how much he was actually interested in Indian or bikes, but past that, big deal. It's not like he's delivering the nightly news.
I just sort of find him icky in general, tho I liked The Departed
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I'm not into anyone that doesn't come across as "genuine". He doesn't seem genuine. Ewan seems much more so and less an "actor" in this case. I don't like acting by the pretenders.
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Hey , what's wrong with the pretenders ::) ;D
Dusty
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Hey , what's wrong with the pretenders ::) ;D
Dusty
Where has everybody gone?
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Not for nothing, but aren't we allowed to reinvent ourselves in life? And, more so, isn't THAT the primary job of an entertainer?
I haven't followed his career (or really any entertainer's career, past casual perusals of their work), but had he made outrageous claims as to his past or life?
I call bull on how much he was actually interested in Indian or bikes, but past that, big deal. It's not like he's delivering the nightly news.
I will just make this last comment, just to clarify-I don't want to do the political thing, nor do I wish to be misunderstood in this case.
Maybe being in Massachusetts keeps this in focus, but Mr. Wahlberg's past views on race, and the conviction for acting on them, are a matter of public record. And in fact, I have heard the details on an interview, from Mr. Wahlberg himself-including his response as to whether he had ever apologised to the victim (he had not). Of course, he had served his sentence, he is under no obligation to do more.
It did bother me, however, when he attempted to get a pardon for the crime, claiming that he had changed (and I am sure he has), if only because it seemed related to getting a liquor license for his restaurant.
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Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch was twenty-five years ago. He was a teenager. He's now 44 years old.
He's proven himself a pretty good actor and seems like a fairly decent guy.
A 40-something re-entry rider as a spokesmodel to attract the 40-something re-entry riders to the brand...
Hmmm... Seems like a good idea from Polaris/Indian.
I didn't see anything wrong with his interview, and have no doubt that the things in that interview that make the grizzled old hard chargers around here cringe are exactly the things that will appeal to Joe Average 40-year-old-d00d who is wanting to get back into motorcycling with something cool that isn't HD.
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"Hard charger" , Mikey , is that a nice euphemism for " old fool who rides in the rain and cold "? ;D
Dusty
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Hmmm... Seems like a good idea from Polaris/Indian.
I didn't see anything wrong with his interview, and have no doubt that the things in that interview that make the grizzled old hard chargers around here cringe are exactly the things that will appeal to Joe Average 40-year-old-d00d who is wanting to get back into motorcycling with something cool that isn't HD.
Yes. Good thing for Polaris' finances. Really bad thing for the sport and hobby of motorcycling!
Lannis
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Yes. Good thing for Polaris' finances. Really bad thing for the sport and hobby of motorcycling!
Lannis
How is it bad for "the sport and hobby of motorcycling" for Polaris to attract 40 year old new and re-entry riders into their showrooms?
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And in time, the spokesperson may evolve into another demographic ......
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/fancy%20rhinestone_zpsd2yifqpo.jpg)
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I'm a HUGE Marky Mark fan. Love all his movies. Good enough for me.
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How is it bad for "the sport and hobby of motorcycling" for Polaris to attract 40 year old new and re-entry riders into their showrooms?
I guess I have a different idea of what constitutes "motorcycling".
Diversity of brands, riding styles, etc.; great.
Posing, faking, making believe, inventing personas, chasing tough-boy images ... bad. Bad for all of us. Not good for motorcycling.
Which kind of "buyer" is likely to be attracted by a pretty-boy rock star whose whole JOB is to be a fake? Polaris makes money either way ....
Lannis
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Which kind of "buyer" is likely to be attracted by a pretty-boy rock star ?
Lannis
Rock Star? I thought we were talking about Mark Wahlberg? A guy from Boston, who in his teens was a rapper, but for the last twenty years has established himself as a pretty decent actor.
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Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch was twenty-five years ago. He was a teenager. He's now 44 years old.
He's proven himself a pretty good actor and seems like a fairly decent guy.
A 40-something re-entry rider as a spokesmodel to attract the 40-something re-entry riders to the brand...
Hmmm... Seems like a good idea from Polaris/Indian.
I didn't see anything wrong with his interview, and have no doubt that the things in that interview that make the grizzled old hard chargers around here cringe are exactly the things that will appeal to Joe Average 40-year-old-d00d who is wanting to get back into motorcycling with something cool that isn't HD.
We're not reading the same interview.
He NEVER OWNED A MOTORCYCLE BEFORE, so how is he a re-entry rider?
He talks about doing tricks on his Scout? Like what? "Look kids, no hands?"
The fact that it wasn't even his idea tells us that the whole thing is the best spin he can put on a completely financial venture.
The problem with the interview is his helicopter never took RPG fire. ;)
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Rock Star? I thought we were talking about Mark Wahlberg? A guy from Boston, who in his teens was a rapper, but for the last twenty years has established himself as a pretty decent actor.
Well, an Entertainer Star then. That he's a guy and he's from Boston doesn't cut much ice. His acting ability (if he in fact has any - there are conflicting opinions) don't change the basic issues ... that he's not anyone with ANY credibility in the world of motorcycles. And that I'm AFRAID that the kind of people this marketing approach would attract are one-to-one with the source of our "Stupidest Things Anyone Has Said To You About Motorcycles" thread.
But this is just subjective opinion and won't be improved any by insistence .... ;-T
Lannis
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I think Indian have Mike Wolfe for the gearhead cred.
(https://motorsportsnewswire.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/indian-motorcycle-mike-wolfe.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlFUdQQ1S2tovICDIXXE9687j0gE-RisyXl_dsJUCOf8zXp8W0)
(http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Celebs-Champions-Their-Motorcycles-to-NYC-IMS-1.jpg)
(http://media2.whosaystatic.com/421573/421573_640x640wc.jpg)
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I think Indian have Mike Wolfe for the gearhead cred.
(https://motorsportsnewswire.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/indian-motorcycle-mike-wolfe.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlFUdQQ1S2tovICDIXXE9687j0gE-RisyXl_dsJUCOf8zXp8W0)
(http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Celebs-Champions-Their-Motorcycles-to-NYC-IMS-1.jpg)
(http://media2.whosaystatic.com/421573/421573_640x640wc.jpg)
Yes... and Wahlberg for the idiots. If they want a bad-boy, they should have gotten someone less reformed. Mike's a good move.
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Off topic, but I like that show American Pickers. I know it's fake, the prices are predetermined, but I like learning about the crap they find.
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I used to watch it for the same reason, but for some reason I find them annoying now. But I'll still watch if it is MC related.
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I think Indian have Mike Wolfe for the gearhead cred.
(http://contactcentreportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/hate-writing-reports-1.jpg)
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I think Indian have Mike Wolfe for the gearhead cred.
Bwahahahaha! Good one! You really had me, there!
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I think Indian hired Mark W cause they weren't getting anywhere with Mike Wolfe
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Bwahahahaha! Good one! You really had me, there!
;)
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Shouldn't a mustache be mandatory?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/italian%20hipster%20guzzi_zpsjnean5qh.jpg)
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Is that rick Siemens?
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Me and Rodney Dangerfield, I'm tellin' ya, no respect around here and I'm such a clown everybody ignores me anyhow. And probably should. :BEER:
But let me restate what I said earlier in this thread that nobody picked up or touched upon or seemed to care while topics as varied as REAL motorcycle authenticity vs. acting, Malcolm X, and even gun rights got at least 3 or 4 responses on a motorcycle board. So I guess I really am the only one here who thinks maybe, just maybe, good ol' Marky boy should not start off riding, let alone doing tricks, on an 1100cc bike that is almost 600lbs when fueled up? And btw, why don't we have an ambulance icon around here? We got a police car, Can't we at least get an ambulance and even maybe a fire truck? ;-T
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I didn't answer BP, cause I don't believe he's actually riding it, never mind doing "tricks".... ;-T
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Maybe that was Marky Mark on the "Wall of Death" at Sturgis. Maybe.
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Shouldn't a mustache be mandatory?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/italian%20hipster%20guzzi_zpsjnean5qh.jpg)
Hey if this guy put that "baguettes" under his armpit , it could be a french guy.....lol
JK JK
love that bike tho....
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A "proper" Guzzi Ad and endorsement:
(http://www.cinedelic.com/records/images/annMargretGUZZI_000.jpg)
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A "proper" Guzzi Ad and endorsement:
(http://www.cinedelic.com/records/images/annMargretGUZZI_000.jpg)
:drool :drool :+1
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No Fair! Gotta be a Spokesperson! Gotta talk and walk the walk. ;)
And not get paid for it!
Like this shmoe....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/fonzies_triumph_zps7ythd9xw.jpg)
This guy maybe...
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/gable_zps9jvlqctk.jpg)
But not just another seductive model, well, unless she speaks and says something that sounds..... err, technical! ;D
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/italian%20sauce_zpsrjec5npl.gif)
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No idea who the first guy is , and frankly I don't give a damn :o ;D Now that young lady , well ... :drool
Dusty
Cool Triumph and Square 4 though < hipster> ;)
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The first guy was the "Fonz" a motorcycle riding bad nice guy in the TV series "Happy Days" idol of many youths!
He was scared of bikes in real life and could not ride them at all.
Also famous for being the subject of the iconic phrase "He jumped the shark!" (= its all downhill from now) :D
The second guy was Clark Gable an actor somewhere.... ::)
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Some sarcasm went straight over someone else's head.
:o
;D
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Some sarcasm went straight over someone else's head.
:o
;D
:D :D :D :D :D
Which is strange , said person usually catches everything :o ;D I will say , never knew where that shark jumping thing came from .
Dusty
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Huh? What? Doh! :BEER:
How about the King?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/elvis_zpssk4rh2kx.jpg)
8)
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I will say , never knew where that shark jumping thing came from .
Dusty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark
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I am not American and I am not much in to American bikes history but what I know is that Indian was a fast bike with a good sport heritage. Now what I see is a Harley wanna be with dynamics of an VW mucrobus. I think that Polaris, having already Victory as a cruiser, should've made Indian a muscle bike(why not even super sport bike) with a modern V-Twin and stance able to compete with the modern Ducati Diavel, Yamaha V-Max etc. bikes and not a mix of Japanese cruiser-HD-looking clone.
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I am not American and I am not much in to American bikes history but what I know is that Indian was a fast bike with a good sport heritage. Now what I see is a Harley wanna be with dynamics of an VW mucrobus. I think that Polaris, having already Victory as a cruiser, should've made Indian a muscle bike(why not even super sport bike) with a modern V-Twin and stance able to compete with the modern Ducati Diavel, Yamaha V-Max etc. bikes and not a mix of Japanese cruiser-HD-looking clone.
You're right, you don't know much about American bikes. ;) ;D
The Diavel and V-Max sell very few units a year in the US. While Harley sells 50%+ of the street market.
As a matter of fact the Sportster, which the Scout is directly aimed at as a competitor sells 50-70k units annually.
That's a much smarter target from a business point of view.
And in that comparison the Scout lives up to the expected comparative reputation.
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I am not American and I am not much in to American bikes history but what I know is that Indian was a fast bike with a good sport heritage. Now what I see is a Harley wanna be with dynamics of an VW mucrobus. I think that Polaris, having already Victory as a cruiser, should've made Indian a muscle bike(why not even super sport bike) with a modern V-Twin and stance able to compete with the modern Ducati Diavel, Yamaha V-Max etc. bikes and not a mix of Japanese cruiser-HD-looking clone.
Spoke to a Victory rep at the Progressive MC Show when it came to Miami this year. I asked about the future of the two brands, Victory and Indian, and what Polaris will do, going forward, to distinguish them. He chose his words very carefully, but basically, Victory will be the leading-edge, new-tech, experimental brand within the cruiser market, while Indian will be the "heritage" brand that will compete head-to-head with Harley-Davidson. Not quite like the difference between Aprilia and Moto Guzzi within the Piaggio firmament, but similar. He cited Polaris's recent (that week) acquisition of Brammo electric motorcycles as an example of where Victory may be headed.
The rep admitted that the current Victory line-up is getting long-in-the-tooth, but said that now that Indian has been successfully established, Polaris has re-allocated a number of its engineers and a lot of their motorcycle budget back to Victory, so next up after the Scout will be new Victory product, and not just new paint schemes. He hinted at all-new bikes. He specifically said that Polaris intends to keep the two brands as separate as possible. While there might be some crossover tech, we should never see Victory bikes re-branded as Indians, or vice-versa.
Don't expect a Victory sport bike any time soon, though (despite my lobbying). They just don't see a way for them to make any money in the sport bike market. As for an Indian sport bike? Forget about it. I think it's as likely that we will see Polaris return Indian to its sporting roots as we are to see the return of board track racing.
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I am not American and I am not much in to American bikes history but what I know is that Indian was a fast bike with a good sport heritage.
The original Indians were no faster and had no more sport heritage than the Harley Davidsons of the day.
As a matter of fact, Harley Davidson was ahead of Indian in every almost techno advantage that came along. As Indian gasped into their final sleep in 1953, they were still selling a hand-shift sidevalve as their flagship bike.
The really basic problem is that the "modern" Indian is trying to build on a 70-year-old "cachet" or "vibe" that almost no one alive has actually experienced. It's just a name and a feathered headdress with zero relation to any past that any buyer has been a part of ....
Lannis
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YCRN,
I too would like to see Victory expand to be a full line of motorcycles, not just cruisers. But I am always pulling for an American made brand that has a full line of bikes. Seems like with Polaris' background in off road 4 wheelers and such, a dirt bike line would not be that much of a stretch. Then add adventure/tourers, then a sport touring model...
While MotoGP and WSB may be out, a bit of sponsoring MX and Enduro racing on a pro level would not be that expensive for them, and could be an option.
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The really basic problem is that the "modern" Indian is trying to build on a 70-year-old "cachet" or "vibe" that almost no one alive has actually experienced. It's just a name and a feathered headdress with zero relation to any past that any buyer has been a part of ....
That's only a problem if the buyers they are trying to reach CARE.
True, they're going full court press on the tie-in to the "heritage" or "mystique" of the original brand. That's quite understandable, since such associations are often a romantic selling point for motorcycle buyers in this country (and a lot of other things too).
But all that matters is the people they reach give a crap about the tie-in.
So maybe the small percentage of riders who actually knew Indian motorcycles won't care about the new brand, but the vast majority of younger riders will be at least open to it, especially if they are already into that style of bike (classic-lined cruisers/tourers) and have a desire to buy American (especially if they're looking for an alternative to Harley).
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That's only a problem if the buyers they are trying to reach CARE.
True, they're going full court press on the tie-in to the "heritage" or "mystique" of the original brand. That's quite understandable, since such associations are often a romantic selling point for motorcycle buyers in this country (and a lot of other things too).
But all that matters is the people they reach give a crap about the tie-in.
So maybe the small percentage of riders who actually knew Indian motorcycles won't care about the new brand, but the vast majority of younger riders will be at least open to it, especially if they are already into that style of bike (classic-lined cruisers/tourers) and have a desire to buy American (especially if they're looking for an alternative to Harley).
I agree. When I say "problem", it's really only a problem for ME. Polaris will probably do fine financially if they can line up enough Hollywood fluff to sell the image to people.
Lannis
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YCRN,
I too would like to see Victory expand to be a full line of motorcycles, not just cruisers. But I am always pulling for an American made brand that has a full line of bikes. Seems like with Polaris' background in off road 4 wheelers and such, a dirt bike line would not be that much of a stretch. Then add adventure/tourers, then a sport touring model...
While MotoGP and WSB may be out, a bit of sponsoring MX and Enduro racing on a pro level would not be that expensive for them, and could be an option.
I think off-road, enduro, adv, standards, etc. are also "off the table," at least for the foreseeable future. Polaris clearly sees where the money is in the motorcycle market (at least, the North American market), and that's in the cruiser segment (or segments, if you further divide it into power cruisers, hevyweight cruisers, middleweight cruisers, tourers, baggers, etc.).
I pointed out to the Polaris rep that companies such as BMW and KTM manage to turn a nice profit in NA without selling a single cruiser, and held up Triumph as an example of a company that makes good money in NA covering a lot of market segments besides cruisers, but he didn't seem very interested from a potential business perspective. This basically told me that Polaris has no intention of catering to any of those other markets.
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If there was ever any doubt about Polaris/Indian's target, it's pretty well spelled out in the promo email I received this morning:
"Harley Davidson Owners get $750 Bonus".
"Now through the end of March, Harley Davidson owners receive $750 bonus! Whether you trade or keep your beloved Harley, you still get the $750 incentive with the purchase of your new Indian Chief! Act now before the incentive goes away!"
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Hmm , wonder if Polarindian would honor that on a Sprint ? :D
Dusty
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Hmm , wonder if Polarindian would honor that on a Sprint ? :D
Dusty
I think all you have to do is prove current ownership of any Harley Davidson. If you purchase a new Chief, you'll get an additional $750 off the negotiated sales price of your new Chief.
Pretty aggressive tactic. Wanting to get some more Chiefs on the road this Spring!
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I think all you have to do is prove current ownership of any Harley Davidson. If you purchase a new Chief, you'll get an additional $750 off the negotiated sales price of your new Chief.
Pretty aggressive tactic. Wanting to get some more Chiefs on the road this Spring!
Anyone want to buy a Sprint ? ;D
Dusty
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My local dealer which also sells BMW,Moto Guzzi,Motus ::) and UrAll is quite happy with their current sales of Indian. In fact the manager told me that they expect Indian to surpass all sales of their other brands. This dealer is also owned by the same guy who owns the Harley dealer across the street.
As a side note this same man road his Moto Guzzi Convert to Barber's last year and he purchased a very nice Lemans IV at the same show.
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Anyone want to buy a Sprint ? ;D
Dusty
the Sprint is a keeper. Cafe Racer wants it!
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the Sprint is a keeper. Cafe Racer wants it!
Are you sure ;D Actually , it was traded in years ago on a low mileage '84 R1000RT . The guy that owned Atlas MCs in Tulsa wanted it for his collection . Polarindian's deal isn't all that great , got $600.00 for it in 1993 trading for a bike costing $3k .
Dusty
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I think the Eye-Tielin Harleys are getting to be collectible. Of course, I could never ride anything with a tight foot shift.
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I think the Eye-Tielin Harleys are getting to be collectible. Of course, I could never ride anything with a tight foot shift.
Spaghetti Harlettes ;D
Dusty
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In case Guzzi needs a genuine hipster image for a future marketing campaign ......
I present ... The Guzzi Hipster Orginal: OMOBONO! :D (spelt backwards its ah, OnoBomo?)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Omobono%20Tenni_zpswlzmqydt.jpg)
Omobono Tenni
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In case Guzzi needs a genuine hipster image for a future marketing campaign ......
I present ... The Guzzi Hipster Orginal: OMOBONO! :D (spelt backwards its ah, OnoBomo?)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Omobono%20Tenni_zpswlzmqydt.jpg)
Omobono Tenni
Being an actual hardcore motorcycle racer is a clear disqualifying characteristic for a Hipster, in ANY decade.
So he's something else, but not a Hipster ....
Lannis
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Dunno Lannis , met Gary Nixon a couple of times , kind of a hipster , pretty fair MC racer .
Dusty
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Dunno Lannis , met Gary Nixon a couple of times , kind of a hipster , pretty fair MC racer .
Dusty
Well, I guess it's because of my understanding of "hipster", which includes a certain degree of fakery, posery, or trying-to-look-like-something-you're-not associated with it. People can be weird, eccentric, avant-garde, or Spock-leaning-on-a-Riviera "cool" and not be a "hipster". Plus the fact that someone who is trying to be a "hipster" can't be one .....
Lannis
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Google and Urban dictionary don't suggest there needs to be an element of trickery or posery:
Google:
hip·ster1
ˈhipstər/
noun
informal
a person who follows the latest trends and fashions, especially those regarded as being outside the cultural mainstream.
Urban Dictionary (too long to quote):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster
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Google and Urban dictionary don't suggest there needs to be an element of trickery or posery:
Google:
Urban Dictionary (too long to quote):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster
It's funny ... the "Urban Dictionary" definition looks like it was written by a poser wishing he could be SO COOL and call himself a hipster.
I consider the sort of people described in either one of those definitions the fakest of the fake. Following the latest "trends" like a bunch of shaggy sheep while turning their noses down at people who "don't get" their uniform culture of non-conformism!
Lannis
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Meh, if it makes someone happy to follow trends, great. No harm. That doesn't mean they are fake, perhaps a tad superficial, but not necessarily fake.
Though the definition does seem to suggest this "trend" is a trend about being anti-trend. At least anti-commercial and uninfluenced by media.
I think a number of Guzzisti would likely self-identify with that isolated definition/trait.
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This is the second definition on UD.
"Hipster
Definitions are too mainstream.
Hipster's can't be defined because then they'd fit in a category, and thus be too mainstream."
About sums it up.
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Good music format for you bongo loving vinyl flipsters!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/S2_zpsbzooexmr.png)
Journey back to the time of exposed valve train on early Moto Guzzis and percussion music .... oh so cool daddy oh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvWM9pq9GUg