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Title: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: leafman60 on March 09, 2015, 07:57:36 AM
Idiots

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-tourists-caught-carving-names-into-rome%e2%80%99s-colosseum/ar-AA9wrdS?ocid=HPDHP
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Bill Hagan on March 09, 2015, 08:02:39 AM

Yes, idiots.

Feed them to the lions.   >:(

I have never understood graffiti.  Period.

Bill

Title: Re:
Post by: Kev m on March 09, 2015, 08:05:01 AM
My first thought was SHYTE one of my idiot little brother in laws is living in Rome this semester....

Second thought was, idiots poorly representing our country.

Third thought was phew Australia and Canada beat us to it in recent history.

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The Californians’ lawbreaking comes little over three months after a Russian tourist was caught carving a 25cm letter into the Colosseum. The 42-year-old was given a four-month suspended prison sentence and a €20,000 fine, although owing to a lack of funds he has not paid the penalty.

The Russian was the fifth person to be stopped for defacing the ancient monument last year, with others hailing from Australia, Brazil and Canada.

Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 09, 2015, 08:40:00 AM
The women probably think the LA coliseum is older. ::)
GliderJohn
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 09, 2015, 08:53:19 AM
 Stupid yes , in the grand scheme of things not that big a deal .

  Dusty
Title: Re:
Post by: Phang on March 09, 2015, 09:07:20 AM
My first thought was SHYTE one of my idiot little brother in laws is living in Rome this semester....

Second thought was, idiots poorly representing our country.

Third thought was phew Australia and Canada beat us to it in recent history.


I always have the impression mainland Chinese tourists rank top in this kind of act  ::(

(http://i2.sinaimg.cn/dy/2013/0601/U6964P1DT20130601113505.jpg)
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: segesta on March 09, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
And meanwhile, ISIS is bulldozing entire historic cities in Iraq.

The Colosseum has survived Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, fire, abandonment, civil war, Fascism, and a nearby McDonalds. It will survive two knuckleheads from California.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: ken farr on March 09, 2015, 10:45:28 AM
And meanwhile, ISIS is bulldozing entire historic cities in Iraq.

The Colosseum has survived Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, fire, abandonment, civil war, Fascism, and a nearby McDonalds. It will survive two knuckleheads from California.



....never underestimate the power of California knuckleheads.....


kjf
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Arizona Wayne on March 09, 2015, 11:16:11 AM


....never underestimate the power of California knuckleheads.....


kjf




The Left coast used to refer to California.  Now it's the whole left coast including Oregon & Washington.  :'(   When I moved from soCal to Oregon in `71 for a job they used to say "don't Californicate Oregon."  
Too late, it's been done.  Ditto Washington.  Have lived in all 3.  I had no part in it.  ;)   Now live in Arizona.  :BEER:
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 09, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
Yes, idiots.

Feed them to the lions.   >:(

I have never understood graffiti.  Period.

Bill



I think that every country has its own traditions of horrible tourists.   Americans, Brits, Germans, Koreans, they all misbehave or act stupid at one time or another.   

When my son was going ashore in the Mediterranean on liberty from his ship in Malta, Ephesus, Israel, and other spots, he said that the worst, rudest, pushiest, dirtiest tourists by a long chalk are the Russians.   I suppose everyone gets a chance at it.

But you're right.  Vandalism (and the original Vandals were sacking Rome 1600 years ago!) is a really inexplicable crime that should have an appropriate punishment with it ....

Lannis
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: normzone on March 09, 2015, 11:49:59 AM


....never underestimate the power of California knuckleheads.....


kjf

Is that an old Harley Davidson reference ?
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: blackcat on March 09, 2015, 12:35:44 PM
And meanwhile, ISIS is bulldozing entire historic cities in Iraq.

Quote

Fortunately, not all were destroyed:

"Samuel Andrew Hardy, a specialist in the trade in illicit antiquities who teaches at the American University of Rome, explained on his blog that one of the one of the exhibits shown in pieces on the Museum floor, a statue of the seventh-century-B.C. Assyrian king Sargon, was a reproduction of the original. “The Assyrian reliefs (carved panels),” he added, “were plaster cast replicas of pieces that are in the British Museum.”

Christopher Jones @cwjones89

Most of the destroyed statues seem to be from Hatra. Most of the Assyrian relief sculptures in the museum are replicas."
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: earemike on March 09, 2015, 01:26:13 PM
When I was in Salamanca, España the local kids had tagged the Roman bridge. I was shocked at the lack of respect & don't think it's just the tourists (& some of these types are the tourists...)
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Petrus Rocks on March 09, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
Worst graffiti I ever saw was in a Czech castle near Praha.  Once the center of the Holy Roman empire, Russian graffiti covered many walls inside the castle.  I was told by guides it was the soldiers.  The castle was only from the 1500's, not that old.
There's boors everywhere.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on March 09, 2015, 05:22:07 PM
 Kilroy was here syndrome.
 A cretins attempt at wit.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Kev m on March 09, 2015, 07:39:01 PM
All this has happened before, all this will happen again...
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: scra99tch on March 09, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
There history in that Graffiti, some have taken a curiosity to Graffiti's from past.  It sometimes gave a mood to that era.  I know archaeologists have studied it as it has been around for a long time.


Most of it is tasteless but I have been amazed at the patience or wit of quite a few bits.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: bad Chad on March 09, 2015, 10:18:09 PM
All this has happened before, all this will happen again...

Sometimes when you have nothing worth while to say, its best not to say anything.   

Just my opinion, and I often enough don't heed my own advice.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Vasco DG on March 10, 2015, 01:52:08 AM
It's not an 'American' problem, it's a philistine problem. Unfortunately there are a lot of people in the world who are so stupid and ignorant its amazing they can breathe but they have disposable income, (Or perhaps their parents do?) and absolutely no idea about history, culture or the importance of the history of humanity.

The most extreme examples are the ISIS a/AlQuada scum whose iconoclastic approach is destroying some of the most valuable cultural treasures of the cradle of Civilization but 'Thickies' from all over the world are also able to inflict a 'Death by a Thousand Cuts'.

If I was to go to the Lincoln Memorial and chisel my initials into one of the columns I would expect the authorities to take a very dim view of it, as would most of the people on this board I'd think. Just because something is thousands of years old doesn't diminish either its relevance or importance.

I'm with Bill. Feed 'em to the lions!

Pete
Title: Re: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Kev m on March 10, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Sometimes when you have nothing worth while to say, its best not to say anything.  

Just my opinion, and I often enough don't heed my own advice.
?

Not worth while or just cleanly over your head?

It's a pop culture reference to the anthropological concept that the human race tends to repeat its own history.

That there are no new sins and none of us are without sin, and in that way culturally we're more the same than different.

And for that reason it's silly for any of us to cast aspersions at another culture (or person).

So that makes your post what, thrice ironic?

;D
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: blackcat on March 10, 2015, 07:58:59 AM
People do stupid shit all of the time.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2133570.1425235181!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-tattoo-0302.jpg?enlarged)
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Bill Hagan on March 10, 2015, 08:08:20 AM
People do stupid shit all of the time.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2133570.1425235181!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-tattoo-0302.jpg?enlarged)



That should be in one of those "Write the Caption" contests.   ;D

Bill


Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 10, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
 What does that tattoo even mean  ??? I that a dress ?

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: blackcat on March 10, 2015, 08:19:07 AM
What does that tattoo even mean  ??? I that a dress ?

  Dusty

Dusty, you spend too much time on WG. ;D

"The lace-striped Roman Originals dress became an Internet sensation after a Scottish folk singer shared a picture of it and asked for input on what color it was."

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/texas-man-tattoos-dress-leg-article-1.2133534
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 10, 2015, 08:44:40 AM
Dusty, you spend too much time on WG. ;D

"The lace-striped Roman Originals dress became an Internet sensation after a Scottish folk singer shared a picture of it and asked for input on what color it was."

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/texas-man-tattoos-dress-leg-article-1.2133534


 Who are Ken Kardasian and Tylor Swit ? Maybe I do need to catch up on pop culture , still not sure this makes any sense  ::)

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on March 10, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
My favorite vandalism story is the one about the Utah Boy Scouts who threw dinosaur footprints into a reservoir.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 10, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Who are Ken Kardasian and Tylor Swit ? Maybe I do need to catch up on pop culture , still not sure this makes any sense  ::)

  Dusty

Really, don't bother.   Keeping up with that stuff is a sign that your brain is turning to mush.

I don't have a TV at home, but when I'm in a motel, and turn on the TV, or see the soft-porn "Fox News Entertainment" I can feel my IQ dropping by 50 points.   There's J-Lo's and Cardassians and "Brad and Jen" and myriads of "who's doing who" gossip shows and nipple slips and who wore what at the Oscars and who didn't have on a bra and tons of stuff like that.

I know that people snort and don't believe you when you say you never saw "Seinfeld" or "Friends" or "Sex and the City" and don't know who Britney or Miley are and never have watched HBO and don't know who any of those people are, nor care.    But I believe you, because I've never watched any of it either.   I can find out who's who in a second on Google if I want, but it's just not worth it.   

We're better men for NOT wasting brain capacity on it!   ;)   :D     I can quote all the dialogue from "The Princess Bride" or "The Matrix", though, so that's something.....  ::)

Lannis 
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: 56Pan on March 10, 2015, 11:12:58 AM
Really, don't bother.   Keeping up with that stuff is a sign that your brain is turning to mush.



Lannis 

 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1 :+1
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 10, 2015, 11:14:05 AM
Lannis , I do watch a bit of TV , mostly animated stuff , a couple of silly sitcoms , some of the Brilliant British  
sitcoms , PBS Docs , and of course Dr Who . I just never know the names of the actors , except for the ones that populate Last of the summer wine  ;D Peter Sallis is my hero  ;) :D

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: youcanrunnaked on March 10, 2015, 11:19:40 AM
Remember this one?

(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/23/1403513127464/The-student-waits-to-be-r-001.jpg)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-student-rescued-giant-vagina-sculpture-germany
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 10, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
Lannis , I do watch a bit of TV , mostly animated stuff , a couple of silly sitcoms , some of the Brilliant British  
sitcoms , PBS Docs , and of course Dr Who . I just never know the names of the actors , except for the ones that populate Last of the summer wine  ;D Peter Sallis is my hero  ;) :D

  Dusty

I have a raft of British Comedy DVDS, and it constitutes most of my tube-watching (maybe 3-4 hours a month at most).

"Last of the Summer Wine" is unique - nothing like it would ever have survived in the USA.    That's true for most Britcoms; their actors are not "beautiful", they don't all have perfect teeth and skin, but they are by gosh comedic actors and actresses and their work never gets old.   I tend to like the more obscure ones sometimes, like Open All Hours and Is It Legal and Brittas Empire.

And the Brits are funny in other ways - most of them drive French cars but their TV comedy shows give the French hell every time.   And they will actually show people eating - American shows almost never show anyone actually eating - they'll press a burger against their mouth but never take a bite and chew it.    It's little, realistic things like that that make the difference to me.

And if I were an ancient Sultan and someone offered me every Jen and J-lo and Kim on American TV for my harem - OR just Felicity Kendal - it'd be Felicity every time!

Lannis
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 10, 2015, 11:35:18 AM
 Lannis ,

 Yeah , one of the things I found fascinating about LOTSW , was that in the early seasons the main characters smoked AND drank beer . Not advising to smoke , just found it interesting . The humor was just so different . Of course there was some truly crude BBC stuff , The Young Ones comes to mind  :D

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 10, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
Lannis ,

 Yeah , one of the things I found fascinating about LOTSW , was that in the early seasons the main characters smoked AND drank beer . Not advising to smoke , just found it interesting . The humor was just so different . Of course there was some truly crude BBC stuff , The Young Ones comes to mind  :D

  Dusty

Never found any of the "crude" ones, maybe because I got into it via PBS 20 years ago when I used to walk to my brother-in-law's house and watch Britcoms on his TV, which picked up PBS stations.

EVERYONE on TV used to smoke and drink beer, back when half of Americans smoked.   Andy Griffith always had a cigarette in his mouth; so did Dick van Dyke on his show.   You could hardly see Edward R. Murrow or Chet Huntley for the smoke from their on-camera ashtrays, and even Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble were flogging Winstons in prime time.

The house I grew up in was always full of smoke, my Dad smoked 3 packs a day.   Dying of his second heart attack at age 39 stopped that, though, and I never took it up.   Reason I'm alive today.....

Lannis
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Ad B on March 11, 2015, 07:56:08 AM
Hi,

to go back to the nerds who carves names and tags in historic sculptures.  :wife:
I take pictures to remember those sculptures. The sculptures don't have to remember me...
Nor my lovely wife or I has to be on such beautiful picture from somekind of historic thing or happening.
Pictures of us are on a terras with a good beer or at the pool...  :BEER:
Only once I wrote my name and from my lovely wife; from Phang and from Guzzitech (sorry, I didn't know thís place yet...),
on a wall, a plastic white sheet wall at  the Guzzi factory in 2011 at its 90th birthday.  ;-T ;-T
The white wall was supposed to be written, permanent markers where given for it, behind that wall was the new part of the factory build.
Let those nerds pay for the damage they made and thank them with a huge fine, so they never come back. P:)

Ad B
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: radan2 on March 11, 2015, 08:25:28 AM
 Reason I'm alive today.....

Lannis

Then the rumors are false!  :)
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 11, 2015, 10:03:44 AM
Then the rumors are false!  :)


Busted.   This "Lannis" persona is part of a "Turing Test", in which people try to determine if the entity with whom they are communicating is a human or an AI.   Looks like the program needs a little work .....
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: dibble on March 11, 2015, 02:25:48 PM


And the Brits are funny in other ways - most of them drive French cars but their TV comedy shows give the French hell every time.  

Lannis

Yeah just like you lot all drive trucks, own guns and wear red Braces...........
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Lannis on March 11, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
Yeah just like you lot all drive trucks, own guns and wear red Braces...........

It's true, though, all of it ....
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 11, 2015, 02:34:22 PM
Yeah just like you lot all drive trucks, own guns and wear red Braces...........

 Hmm , I must be English , well , except for the French car thing , Simca anyone ? ;D

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Bill Hagan on March 11, 2015, 03:38:19 PM
 
Apropos BBC comedy, etc. -- which I think this thread has addressed along its winding way from the real Forum  ;) -- I think that my Hell (or, at least, Purgatory) will include endless reruns of "Keeping Up Appearances."

My mother LOVES that show.  Even before her descent into dementia, we watched (and watched and watched) those.  I've seen them all.  Multiple times.  Mom has the dvd's for days PBS doesn't torture us with its scheduled repeats.

Now, with evil Alzheimer's, it's worse ... well, for us.  For Mom, it's the first time through. 

Yes, as if I were in a perverted version of "Groundhog Day" ... but sans Andie MacDowell.  Every imbecilic line Hyacinth or the rest of the cast utters is fresh for her ... and torture for me.

Oh, well.  She's happy while watching, so we'll just enjoy her pleasure.  But, one day ... I'll melt those dvd's in the fireplace and pray that my penance for sins of all sorts isn't condemnation to watching eternal episodes of the Bouquets.

Bill
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: oldbike54 on March 11, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
 Yeah , K U A is not the best of British comedy , and neither is A Y B S . Kind of pap for the masses . However , Summer Wine remained engaging for most of its run , maybe because it wasn't set in London or close by , and the characters were , er , well , late middle aged . Silly old men one might say . Sound familiar ? ;D

  Dusty
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: 56Pan on March 11, 2015, 04:37:58 PM

Apropos BBC comedy, etc. -- which I think this thread has addressed along its winding way from the real Forum  ;) -- I think that my Hell (or, at least, Purgatory) will include endless reruns of "Keeping Up Appearances."

My mother LOVES that show.  Even before her descent into dementia, we watched (and watched and watched) those.  I've seen them all.  Multiple times.  Mom has the dvd's for days PBS doesn't torture us with its scheduled repeats.

Now, with evil Alzheimer's, it's worse ... well, for us.  For Mom, it's the first time through. 

Yes, as if I were in a perverted version of "Groundhog Day" ... but sans Andie MacDowell.  Every imbecilic line Hyacinth or the rest of the cast utters is fresh for her ... and torture for me.

Oh, well.  She's happy while watching, so we'll just enjoy her pleasure.  But, one day ... I'll melt those dvd's in the fireplace and pray that my penance for sins of all sorts isn't condemnation to watching eternal episodes of the Bouquets.

Bill


Yeah.  Show sucked.  Big Time.
Title: Re: The Ugly American (tourists in Italy)
Post by: Bill Hagan on March 11, 2015, 05:06:58 PM
Yeah , K U A is not the best of British comedy , and neither is A Y B S . Kind of pap for the masses ****

  Dusty

Well, my mother -- and, thus, I -- come from a long line of Swabian peasant stock; my Irish side tilled dirt here from 1662 for eight generations, so I cannot distance myself from the "masses" without rejecting my roots.  The only reason Kathi and I can tell a Margaux from a Mateus today is because of the sweat of our simpler people who paved the way with their sweat for centuries.

That said, I still retch at "Keeping;" don't know the others you mention.  Kathi is wonderfully fond of British romantic comedies, to wit, one in which some walking stick sprouts branches at the end of some love-wins-all movie. I have to drink heavily before watching such things.  ;)

OTOH, I remain a sucker for subtitled Italian stuff, with my present favorite the adventures of Commissario Montalbano.  Probably for the Italian "masses," but I love 'em.  Have seen through episode 15 on dvd; getting more soon.  Katharina Böhm helps get me through the slower spots.   ;)

A snippet, you ask?  Why, sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhdf6PFZZs8   ;D

Bill