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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jerryd on March 09, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
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I'm looking for a well sorted black 2008 or later, 2V engine. Please PM me.
Thanks
Jerry
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Forgot to ask, what changes/updates were needed on early Norge's other then the fuel pump/hose issue? I had two 2007's. The first one ran great with only a ECU reflash and Bui (sp?) risers. I can't remember what other issues we had with those early 2V bikes?
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Early. Suspension was too soft.
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Just curious why are you not considering an 8V? They are going relatively cheap used and have many improvements over the previous generation?
GliderJohn
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Just curious why are you not considering an 8V? They are going relatively cheap used and have many improvements over the previous generation?
GliderJohn
Yeah, I'm perfectly OK with mine except for the heat management but if I was buying again I'd go for an 8V. Mileage isn't as good on the newer ones, but I'd trade that out for not getting cooked in the summertime.
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Forgot to ask, what changes/updates were needed on early Norge's other then the fuel pump/hose issue? I had two 2007's. The first one ran great with only a ECU reflash and Bui (sp?) risers. I can't remember what other issues we had with those early 2V bikes?
I got to enjoy the fuel-pump "issue," but not sure what you mean about "hose."
Also had the CARC disintegrate.
All fixed under warranty. Unaware of later Norges (first- or second-gen) having either of those.
"Airborne" top cases were fixed under recall, as was a headlight wiring.
As do other models, oil-pressure sensors suck green eggs.
All of the above notwithstanding, I love my '07. A delight to ride one-up or two-.
Heat was never a major problem for me ... when moving.
If I had to replace it, however, I'd be all over a new one.
Bill
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Yeah, I'm perfectly OK with mine except for the heat management but if I was buying again I'd go for an 8V. Mileage isn't as good on the newer ones, but I'd trade that out for not getting cooked in the summertime.
I never had heat problems with either of my 07's. Are you saying the 8V is worse on mileage?
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Just curious why are you not considering an 8V? They are going relatively cheap used and have many improvements over the previous generation?
GliderJohn
Just curious what they are selling for versus the early models? What were the improvements?
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I never had heat problems with either of my 07's. Are you saying the 8V is worse on mileage?
The mileage (for me) was definitely better on my '07 than on my '13. On the '07 mid to high 40's even into 50mpg. On the '13 low 40's even dropping into the high 30's. I, however, do not ride for gas mileage.
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Quote from Jerryd:
Just curious what they are selling for versus the early models? What were the improvements?
Okay the bad news first, mileage is poorer. I pretty much average around 36-38mpg.
Good news and others help me here as I will probably forget something
At least in my case the 8V engine is a sweetheart. Great torque, revs easily, smooth, good fuel mapping.
Better suspension.
Better seat.
Better dash placement to reduce glare and easier to read.
Better fairing.
Better engine heat to rider management.
Higher and more pulled back handlebars.
Easier access to the oil dipstick.
I did replace the stock windscreen with a larger Cal/Sci just for more protection. No buffeting issues or anything with the stock screen. I have had mine up to 140mph indicated with side bags and top case on, rock solid!
Hope this helps.
GliderJohn
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I'm looking for a well sorted black 2008 or later, 2V engine. Please PM me.
Thanks
Jerry
I know you said 2008 and later, but thought I would mention that Crusty has a very reasonable price on an '07, right now. Might not work for you, but FYI.
Cheers,
Shaun
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I believe The Motocycleshop in Watertown SD has a black 2008 listed on their website.
Randy
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I know of a 2007 Norge that's for sale for short money (I think he'd take three grand for it) It's not perfect, and it has 65k on the odometer, but it's worth the price.
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Quote from Jerryd:
Okay the bad news first, mileage is poorer. I pretty much average around 36-38mpg.
Good news and others help me here as I will probably forget something
At least in my case the 8V engine is a sweetheart. Great torque, revs easily, smooth, good fuel mapping.
Better suspension.
Better seat.
Better dash placement to reduce glare and easier to read.
Better fairing.
Better engine heat to rider management.
Higher and more pulled back handlebars.
Easier access to the oil dipstick.
I did replace the stock windscreen with a larger Cal/Sci just for more protection. No buffeting issues or anything with the stock screen. I have had mine up to 140mph indicated with side bags and top case on, rock solid!
Hope this helps.
GliderJohn
I remember when the 8V came out that it seemed the general consensus was that the 4V(2V) had better low end torque, but the 8V was better on the top end.
Mileage is important to me because I only use it for longer distance rides.
So, what seems to be the going price?
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Send Crusty a PM. If I still had my old job I'd buy it now.
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I also know someone who has a Hyperpro shock and YSS springs/emulators out of his '07 Norge for sale, right now. That could easily overcome the weakest point on a first-year Norge.
:beat_horse ;D
Shaun
Edit: The suspension parts are NOT mine, just to be clear.
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From my experience looking at Norges, the going price is around 5-6k for a good example with less than 20k miles. That is with luggage.
I do appreciate the Breva's ability to keep my feet warm when the temp is cold out. I will not appreciate it's ability to keep my feet hot when it warms up a a bit. This is something that the 8V Norges will not have.
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So, what seems to be the going price?
They don't seem to appear for sale very often but new ones are now OTD now for around 15K, paid about 16K out the door in 2011. Mine has a few scratches on the the fairing high points and on a side case from when I dumped it at walking speed turning into my drive off a dirt road. With a bit over 10K miles I would be surprised if I could get more than 8-9K for it, if that but then it doesn't matter as mine is not for sale.
GliderJohn
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I also know someone who has a Hyperpro shock and YSS springs/emulators out of his '07 Norge for sale, right now. That could easily overcome the weakest point on a first-year Norge.
:beat_horse ;D
Shaun
Edit: The suspension parts are NOT mine, just to be clear.
That is what I installed on my 07 and it made a huge difference.
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From my experience looking at Norges, the going price is around 5-6k for a good example with less than 20k miles. That is with luggage.
I do appreciate the Breva's ability to keep my feet warm when the temp is cold out. I will not appreciate it's ability to keep my feet hot when it warms up a a bit. This is something that the 8V Norges will not have.
Are you saying 5-6K for an 8V? Where?
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If you find one without the bar risers, let me know. I have a set I took off my Breva if you are interested. I, myself really enjoy the two valve motor of this ilk. I think they are the best of the best two valvers out there. I must be a little bit old school since I am waiting to buy a four valver once they have a few years under their belt to prove themselves. (It has been, what, six years now?)
Skippy
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Are you saying 5-6K for an 8V? Where?
I have not seen that low a price for an 8v, and I have seen several. I recently sold my brother's 2012 for him.
Suspect low for one is 8 and up, with the mode being higher.
Winchester Motosports has one on consignment at just below 8.
"2012 Moto Guzzi Norge 1100 (sic; it's a 1200); Priced to sell - well below book! Factory hard bags included. Fresh service. $7,995.00." Contact info here: http://www.winchestermotosports.com.
I have no connection with the actual seller, but I like Carl and crew at WMS.
Bill
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If you find one without the bar risers, let me know. I have a set I took off my Breva if you are interested. I, myself really enjoy the two valve motor of this ilk. I think they are the best of the best two valvers out there. I must be a little bit old school since I am waiting to buy a four valver once they have a few years under their belt to prove themselves. (It has been, what, six years now?)
Skippy
Which make of risers. Will they fit an 8V Norge? I had Mike Bui's on one of my 2007 Norge's, and I think MI's on my second one.
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Are you saying 5-6K for an 8V? Where?
No, for the 4v. $6500 is the average price. 8Vs will go for about 7-10 but I wouldn't pay that much.
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I have not seen that low a price for an 8v, and I have seen several. I recently sold my brother's 2012 for him.
Suspect low for one is 8 and up, with the mode being higher.
Winchester Motosports has one on consignment at just below 8.
"2012 Moto Guzzi Norge 1100 (sic; it's a 1200); Priced to sell - well below book! Factory hard bags included. Fresh service. $7,995.00." Contact info here: http://www.winchestermotosports.com.
I have no connection with the actual seller, but I like Carl and crew at WMS.
Bill
I had a 2007 Norge which I loved but sold 2 yrs ago. I also had a 2007 Sprint which I also loved but sold to buy a 2011 BMW K1300s. It's a great bike but I find myself missing the more visceral feel of twins and triples and so have been looking at different bikes including an 8V Norge. The bike that Bill listed at winchester is the cheapest 8V I've seen listed. Most used 2011-2013 seem to fall between $8,900 - $11,000. Seen several 07-08 in the $5,000-$6,000 range. And of course Crusty is virtually giving away his 07. National Powersports in New Hampshire has a Black 08 Norge listed on ebay right now, but I think their price is a bit ambitious.
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A red '07 with 53k miles just sold on Craigslist in Peoria Az, last posted price was $4350. I know of another '07, silver w/38k miles, sold for $4300.
If an '07 was actually 'well sorted' why would an '08 be better? I have an '07, suspension seems nice and firm to me. Don't know what mods may have been done, but I'm no lightweight..
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Go 8V. Fueling can be sorted. Stock economy can be improved on considerably for the reasons covered in another thread.
The 8V is a lovely thing and doesn't feel breathless and asthmatic like the last of the 2V motors due to their smaller throttle bodies which strangle them at the top end.
Pete
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Go 8V. Fueling can be sorted. Stock economy can be improved on considerably for the reasons covered in another thread.
The 8V is a lovely thing and doesn't feel breathless and asthmatic like the last of the 2V motors due to their smaller throttle bodies which strangle them at the top end.
Pete
Well, a lot of opinions about the 4V versus 8V models! I'm getting confused ???
Personally, I never had any issues with either of my 2007's. Especially the first one I bought new after trading in my Griso. It was completely stock other then bar risers. It was far from "breathless" Ask the officer who stopped me in on the Interstate in Arizona coming back from the Nationals in Malibu, and clocked me at 124, and I easily had more room to go!
It does seem though that the 8V has some other attributes I need to investigate. Hopefully they will have a demo bike at Bike Week when I go up tomorrow.
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Well, a lot of opinions about the 4V versus 8V models! I'm getting confused ???
Personally, I never had any issues with either of my 2007's. Especially the first one I bought new after trading in my Griso. It was completely stock other then bar risers. It was far from "breathless" Ask the officer who stopped me in on the Interstate in Arizona coming back from the Nationals in Malibu, and clocked me at 124, and I easily had more room to go!
It does seem though that the 8V has some other attributes I need to investigate. Hopefully they will have a demo bike at Bike Week when I go up tomorrow.
Hope you do get to compare.
As for "easily had more room to go!," probably so if you mean Arizona. ;D
Seriously, I am a fan of "old" and "new" Norges, but doubt very much you could have been clocked by real instruments much higher than your cop's 124. Mine runs great and I've seen 126 or so (indicated) twice comma but.
I haven't told my brother how fast I have ridden his (former) 2012 8v, and, truth be told, it wasn't even an indicated 120. But, at that speed, it was clear to me that it was quite willing and able to go faster and soon. Joy that it is, my '07 does not feel that way.
Yes, all of that is "seat of the pants" anecdata and thus good for my train only, no one else's.
Good luck on the demo. Let us know what you think.
Bill
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Jerry, some of the problems that make it confusing is many are posting about 8v while some are posting about 4v. In 2008 they upgrade the rear shock spring to a higher rate. The top box changed also unless the dealer has old leftover stock of top boxes, doubtful at this time. There are other changes but I don't remember them all. Moto International did my headlight wiring upgrade before shipping my 09. The 8v seat fits the early Norge, I have a 8v gel seat on mine now. The 08 and up models also got the rubber plug in the fairing to easily check the oil. I'll add any thing else that comes to mind!!
The new 8v does not need risers as the bars are higher and set back some.
I meet your neighbor Tom, believe that was his name, at my grandson's birthday party last year. Tom and his wife are real nice people.
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Jerry, some of the problems that make it confusing is many are posting about 8v while some are posting about 4v. In 2008 they upgrade the rear shock spring to a higher rate. The top box changed also unless the dealer has old leftover stock of top boxes, doubtful at this time. There are other changes but I don't remember them all. Moto International did my headlight wiring upgrade before shipping my 09. The 8v seat fits the early Norge, I have a 8v gel seat on mine now. The 08 and up models also got the rubber plug in the fairing to easily check the oil. I'll add any thing else that comes to mind!!
The new 8v does not need risers as the bars are higher and set back some.
I meet your neighbor Tom, believe that was his name, at my grandson's birthday party last year. Tom and his wife are real nice people.
Hi Glen,
What I meant is that I'm getting confused as to which bike would be better. The 8V or 4.
Actually the later 07's had the bigger rear spring, which I had on both of mine. I fixed the headlight wiring myself when it was first mentioned here on the forum. I did guess by the description of the 8V, that I wouldn't need bar risers. I removed all the lower fairing pieces on my 07's and also fitted a Breva nose piece, so checking the oil was fairly easy. I'm not sure the lowers on the later models was removable in the same way?
Sure, I know Tom and his wife. We spend the winter in Florida, so I'm going to head up to Daytona tomorrow and see if they have a new Norge on display.
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Well that's easy, the 8v if you find a good deal. Everyone that has driven both say so. When I was at Redline in Yorktown Va., getting the Rexxer 2 tune downloaded, they had a beautiful white one and tried their best to get me to test drive it. Wanted too but thought better of it. Was trying to keep my wallet somewhat in my pocket! I do love my 09 though and didn't want that to change at the time. I installed the 1.5" risers last year and really do like them. Don't know which model they are, they were used.
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Well that's easy, the 8v if you find a good deal.
No doubt the 8v is better. Is it better at 2x the price? 3x the price? I'll buy an 8v someday, when you all are dumping them like yesterday's news.
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Sounds like 4V's are in the 5-6K range and 8V's in the 7-9K, or thereabouts. It doesn't sound like a big difference considering some of these new features.
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Plus they are newer hence justification for a higher price. Along with the side benefit of a newer and more powerful engine. Even if you do give up a couple of mpg or so. The T2 Rexxer tune took 2-3 of my mpg just the same and I doubt it is even close to a 8v power wise. My bottom end is much better than it was stock. Heads run cooler too! I really would love to have a white 8v but have mine sorted to suit me. So I try not to even look at them! Good luck on your search.
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I have not seen that low a price for an 8v, and I have seen several. I recently sold my brother's 2012 for him.
Suspect low for one is 8 and up, with the mode being higher.
Winchester Motosports has one on consignment at just below 8.
"2012 Moto Guzzi Norge 1100 (sic; it's a 1200); Priced to sell - well below book! Factory hard bags included. Fresh service. $7,995.00." Contact info here: http://www.winchestermotosports.com.
I have no connection with the actual seller, but I like Carl and crew at WMS.
Bill
Bill, I spoke to Carl today. Quite a character. I'm considering the Norge he has. Although I'm not real keen on the color white. Thanks for the heads up!
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Well that's easy, the 8v if you find a good deal. Everyone that has driven both say so. When I was at Redline in Yorktown Va., getting the Rexxer 2 tune downloaded, they had a beautiful white one and tried their best to get me to test drive it. Wanted too but thought better of it. Was trying to keep my wallet somewhat in my pocket! I do love my 09 though and didn't want that to change at the time. I installed the 1.5" risers last year and really do like them. Don't know which model they are, they were used.
So what's that Rexxer tune all about?
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Bill, I spoke to Carl today. Quite a character. I'm considering the Norge he has. Although I'm not real keen on the color white. Thanks for the heads up!
Check your PM when convenient.
Bill
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Which make of risers. Will they fit an 8V Norge? I had Mike Bui's on one of my 2007 Norge's, and I think MI's on my second one.
Not sure of the brand but they look really nice on the Breva and first generation Norge. The won't fit the newer models.
Skippy
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So what's that Rexxer tune all about?
I would recommend skipping the Rexxer tune, and going for Guzzidiag and a Beetle tune. You can easily do it yourself, and for the cost of a well-earned donation or two.
Cheers,
Shaun
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I would skip it too, now! Was no Guzzidaig when I got it downloaded.
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Fab deal on this one:
New (10 miles):
2013 Moto Guzzi NORGE in black
eBay Item #: 231503187420
Buy It Now $11,990
Located in San Diego, CA
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I saw that one. I've been looking at the Stelvio which has some deals all over the country.
The reason, I like the Stelvio over the Norge was, I rode an 08 Norge and didn't like the bar position
and the engine was underwhelming. The Stelvio NTX engine made me smile. Now I find out the newer Norge has a
different, further back location for the handlebars AND the nicer engine, I'm wondering about the Norge again.
Hate buying anything new though especially a 2 year old model with minimal discount.
Anyone have a 13 Stelvio with low miles they want to part ways with?
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^ Actually, that is a HUGE discount. Suggested retail is now $16,290...
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On a 2015. How many leftover 2012, 2013s there are is one of the things I have noticed about Guzzis. Wholesale on that same bike is roughly $8400.
I am in agreement that that's a lot of motorcycle with a 2 yr warranty for $12k, however in the long run is the difference between 13 and a 2015 worth the
money saved?
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To my knowledge, there are no 2015 models available in the US, just leftover 2014s and 2013s. I just bought a leftover 2014 (white). There seem to be several black 2013s around.
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What is the difference between a 12,13,14 or 15? Tappets? What else?
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To my knowledge, there are no 2015 models available in the US, just leftover 2014s and 2013s. I just bought a leftover 2014 (white). There seem to be several black 2013s around.
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2015-Moto-Guzzi-STELVIO-1200-NTX-113894869
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^ Sorry, I meant the Norge model only.
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I got to check out an 8V at Daytona today, and I'm vey impressed. Lower more comfortable seat, better bar postition without risers, very strong engine, especially in the mid range, and easier to read display compared to my previous two 4V Norge's.
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^ Sorry, I meant the Norge model only.
;D http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2015-Moto-Guzzi-NORGE-GT8V-113896431 ;-T
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^ I was told by two different dealers just a few weeks ago that there was no news regarding there being any 2015 Norges in the U.S., and they even contacted the mother ship (separately). I told them I would pay more for a 2015, so they and the U.S. Distributor had an incentive to find one for me. Perhaps this ad is in error, or perhaps the mother ship has just released 2015s. Why would Moto Guzzi not want to sell me a 2015 model for thousands of dollars more?
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^ I was told by two different dealers just a few weeks ago that there was no news regarding there being any 2015 Norges in the U.S., and they even contacted the mother ship (separately). I told them I would pay more for a 2015, so they and the U.S. Distributor had an incentive to find one for me. Perhaps this ad is in error, or perhaps the mother ship has just released 2015s. Why would Moto Guzzi not want to sell me a 2015 model for thousands of dollars more?
Many of the MG management from New York are at Bike Week. I would have someone that's still in Daytona ask in person before they leave.
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Many of the MG management from New York are at Bike Week. I would have someone that's still in Daytona ask in person before they leave.
Good idea ... at least in theory.
But expecting a straight answer -- or, based upon my experience, any response whatever -- from Piaggio USA is unlikely. At least some of those suits are [insults deleted after I had another cup of coffee and felt better about life. :D]
Hmmmmm. Wonder what year shows on the certificate of origin on my brother's just-ordered Norge?
Bill
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I believe that having face to face discussions are more meaningful then an e-mail or phone call. Maybe that's just old fashioned :-\
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I believe that having face to face discussions are more meaningful then an e-mail or phone call. Maybe that's just old fashioned :-\
Who could disagree with that? I don't.
But, let's see who asks whom what ... and if what the suit say has legs.
Oh, just stopped by WMS on way back from the ear-lowering facility. That consgned Norge looks mighty fine ... tho I still have eyes for that yellow Royal Enfield cafe Carl has on the floor. ;D
After leaving WMS, a Virginia state trooper came off I-81 as I passed by the ramp headed home. I was in the Mini. He then followed me for six and a half miles on three different (very) back roads. I was very law-abiding, so he must have been seriously bored. Odd.
Best from the top of Virginia,
Bill
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After looking at the white Norge they have on display at Bike Week, I don't think its for me. Although the price at WMS was very good.
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Have seen what you're looking for less than half the price of left over 13s/14s with sub 10k miles (more like 6k original) on them around here. I like my 13 but there is a lot you can do with 6 grand saved, especially when the used ones have lots of accessories like Corbin seats, new exhausts, riser bars and things like that.
PM'd you.
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Have seen what you're looking for less than half the price of left over 13s/14s with sub 10k miles (more like 6k original) on them around here. I like my 13 but there is a lot you can do with 6 grand saved, especially when the used ones have lots of accessories like Corbin seats, new exhausts, riser bars and things like that.
PM'd you.
Exactly!
The Cali dealership had a 2015 Stelvio almost 3 weeks ago when I spoke to them About a leftover 13.
As far as Piaggio and Guzzi America, I did hear that they cleaned house on some bureaucratic 'fat' since Christmas.
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I use to say for decades that only a fool would buy a new bike with so many clean, low mile models always available. Until I bought my leftover 09 silver Norge. So now I am the fool. Honestly it was the first time I could pay cash for a new one, probably still a fool just the same. Do still love my Norge.
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PM'd but just in case you see this first:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/mcy/4930751118.html
Looks sorted and ready to go.
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(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y468/Crusty1950/Norge%201_zpsdw8glb22.jpg) (http://s1276.photobucket.com/user/Crusty1950/media/Norge%201_zpsdw8glb22.jpg.html)
3 grand.
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(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y468/Crusty1950/Norge%201_zpsdw8glb22.jpg) (http://s1276.photobucket.com/user/Crusty1950/media/Norge%201_zpsdw8glb22.jpg.html)
3 grand.
Can't beat the price, but the mileage concerns me a bit.
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I'd rather have a bike that's been ridden than one that's been sitting for a long time.
Those 'new in showroom' bikes that have sat for 4 years have more chance of seals failing than one with 50k miles on them.
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Can't beat the price, but the mileage concerns me a bit.
65,000 miles on a Norge concerns you? Well, you're not alone. I once had the dealer I bought my first Buell from tell me that they wouldn't take my bike back on a trade for a new Buell because it had 60 K showing on the odometer.
However, I can't say as I blame you; I'd be cautious, too.
If the Norge doesn't sell at a bargain price, then I'll just keep it. I knew when I bought it that Guzzis have poor resale value and that I might be buying a bike that was going to stay with me forever.
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I think the engine would be good for 20 or 30k miles more without problems maybe more. It is a heck of a deal.
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The CL ad I linked to is from a guy involved in Italian cars - runs a parts shop for Maserati/Lancia and Fiat. He has more than one Guzzi so I'm betting it is well sorted and ready to go. It has just enough miles on it so that it's been ridden casually and not left to dry out but low enough that it is close to new condition.
With the Wilbur shock and aftermarket exhaust it should ride and sound really nice.
I'll assist a buyer with an unbiased (other than I really like the Norge model) look over and pictures.
Note: I do not know the seller personally.