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Title: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 16, 2015, 12:06:39 PM
I sure have. Found this photo over on the Morini Rider's Club forum.

(http://rennlist.com/forums/attachments/911-forum/610462d1330085863-anyone-have-a-pic-of-gauge-bezel-removal-tool-bbbbezetool.jpg)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: normzone on March 16, 2015, 12:13:42 PM
I wonder when that image was made - imagine...it was somebody's job to operate that.

Being in QA, I always wonder what the failure rate / mode of a process is. That one looks pretty reliable, but there's usually a way to screw something up if you try hard enough.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on March 16, 2015, 12:17:43 PM
 Then there is the older technique.

  (https://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/Photos/tools/vlchek_ballpeen_hammer_cropped.jpg)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: mtiberio on March 16, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
the key is the shape of the "die" that sits below the bezel in the picture. It rolls the edges around and under as the instrument is pressed down.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: dilligaf on March 16, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
Until today, Not really.  Thanks for the picture.  :BEER:
Matt
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 16, 2015, 01:38:33 PM
I've designed and built automated tools using a similar process back in the day. For the two bezels on the Commie Thumper, I just machined a cavity that was a light press fit to stick the instruments in to keep the bezels from deforming. Made it deep enough the tack puller I used wouldn't over bend them on removal, then machined off the top at the break line and used a hardened flat punch with a polished radius on it to roll it back over on reassembly. Took about 10 minutes all in all to remove and re-install the bezels. Putting the guts from a Yamaha in the MZ tach, however...  ;D
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Tobit on March 16, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
Yes I had wondered about that.  I knew it had to be some sort of press and die when I tried crimping one back on after a needle came loose.  Doing it with pliers ain't pretty.  Thank goodness for the rubber fascia.

Tobit
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Lannis on March 16, 2015, 02:06:24 PM
I sure have. Found this photo over on the Morini Rider's Club forum.

(http://rennlist.com/forums/attachments/911-forum/610462d1330085863-anyone-have-a-pic-of-gauge-bezel-removal-tool-bbbbezetool.jpg)

That's good.

Now the one we REALLY want to see is the one that UNcrimps the bezels .... !

Lannis
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 16, 2015, 02:16:27 PM
That's good.

Now the one we REALLY want to see is the one that UNcrimps the bezels .... !

Lannis

It'll be similar. Just the working tool will be different.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: blackcat on March 16, 2015, 02:17:09 PM
One of these might work.
(http://www.just-for-openers.org/Church-Key-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: normzone on March 16, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
A Tineye search found the first illustration on the Velobanjogent blogspot post - a few images down shows the tool used to reinstall. The nail polish color is nice.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: mtiberio on March 16, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
That's good.

Now the one we REALLY want to see is the one that UNcrimps the bezels .... !

Lannis

easy if you do not want to save it...
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: fotoguzzi on March 16, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
Yes I have, thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 16, 2015, 04:05:44 PM
Emailed Greg Bender with that photo and he sent me one back that he found. Same idea, just with a lathe.

(http://bullfire.net/Triumph/Triumph34/SDC10895a.JPG)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Groover on March 16, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
That's good.

Now the one we REALLY want to see is the one that UNcrimps the bezels .... !

Lannis

 :+1
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: huub on March 16, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
i used the trick with the lathe a couple of times,
makes fitting the bezels a 5 minutes job
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Tom on March 16, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
I think the whole idea is to R & R the piece and not repair it.  Drives there Parts Department.  :-*
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 16, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
I think the whole idea is to R & R the piece and not repair it.  Drives there Parts Department.  :-*

Yamaha has that figured out.  ;D All the king's horses and all the king's men wouldn't have gotten that bezel off without damage. That said, it was *really* well done and sealed. It's no wonder they last forever.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Tom on March 16, 2015, 09:19:56 PM
or until the needle falls off. ;D
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: jetmechmarty on March 16, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
or until the needle falls off. ;D

The needles don't fall off.  The two little screws that hold the faceplate on back out and roll around at the bottom of the glass.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Tom on March 17, 2015, 06:42:58 PM
The needles don't fall off.  The two little screws that hold the faceplate on back out and roll around at the bottom of the glass.

I guess you missed the part of my reply with emoticon.   :-*  I was being sarcastic.  ;D
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: cwiseman on March 17, 2015, 06:51:54 PM
When I needed to repair my RD350 speedo I used a dremel cut off wheel and opened the bezel. When finished with repairs JB Weld to the rescue. Popped the rubber trim piece back on and you never see the repair.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: JoeW on March 17, 2015, 08:55:11 PM
Thanks for the picture Charlie but, where do you get one? I'm using a Canuck750 special, I may try to modify it.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: jetmechmarty on March 18, 2015, 07:48:37 AM
I guess you missed the part of my reply with emoticon.   :-*  I was being sarcastic.  ;D

Oh no.  I was just playing along.   ;)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: jetmechmarty on March 18, 2015, 07:53:42 AM
Have any of y'all investigated or had experience with this place?    http://www.joellevinecompany.com/

(http://cdn-8.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/joellevinecompany/text358.jpg)
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 18, 2015, 09:40:46 AM
Have any of y'all investigated or had experience with this place?    http://www.joellevinecompany.com/

Since North Hollywood stopped doing motorcycle instruments, I recently sent "Arveno's" Ambassador speedometer to Joel Levine. North Hollywood used to charge $325 for a complete rebuild, Joel Levine was $385 with a one year warranty. Two week turnaround. Looked beautiful when he was done, Marco will have to fill us in on how well it works.
Title: Re: Ever wondered what the tool looked like that crimps on bezels?
Post by: Goosecoop on March 18, 2015, 12:02:01 PM
He did a beautiful job on my speedometer. Too bad he doesn't do electronic tachs.