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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Birch71 on March 16, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
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My local car mechanic has a 2001 Ducati Monster 750. I've always loved the trellis framed Duc's.
Thought I'd stop by and he said take it for a spin. It is his girlfriend's bike and she hasn't ridden it in over a wear.
Clutch was heavy and wouldn't fully disengage, gearbox was tough, throttle was snnatchy.
But the sound. Even the stock pipes. It weighed nothing. I'm still grinning from ear to ear as I ripped it to 80.
My Griso 1100 seemed super smooth and civilized. It was like riding on a BarcaLounger compared to the Duc.
It has a few scratches on the fenders. Chain needs replacing, but valves and belts were just done. Tired are a year old with maybe 200 miles on them.
He is asking $2,500 which seems high. I'm thinking of giving my Griso a stablemate.
Any thoughts? (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/16/f27c64fa529d9bf84f3a041fdbef2a77.jpg)
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It is a 90 twin. It is an Italian bike. It is in the faster yellow color. ;D At least you messed around with a cousin and kept it in the family. :-*
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There were some non-desmo designs but I think those came later as 800's. If it were closer, I'd be begging for forgiveness. Again.
The three Guzzi's have taken the Benelli under their wings.
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Just do it.
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They did make Monsters in the 400 class too. Mainly for Japanese consumption.
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Did I mention the sound? Maybe if I rev it high enough, I won't hear my wife saying "no" to a second bike!
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25 lashes w/red suspenders.
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That bike cost $8K new. 4 gal. gas tank. This duck has 38mm. Mikuni carbs. Very tempting.
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That's a 2 valve engine (AFAIK) so it's much easier to work on. The recommended valve check interval was something like 7500 miles but somehow Ducati has been able to extend that to about 15,000 miles on the new bikes....without making any major changes to the desmo system. I know Duck owners who seldom saw any change to the valve clearances (I'm one of those). A Monster for that price is really attractive.
I'm not aware of any systemic problems (does it have a metal tank?) other than a plastic fuel filter. Go for it!
Peter Y.
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Go ahead. $2500 is just a dirty weekend in Las Vegas, and The Duc won't give you something soap won't wash off.
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If that were here you wouldn't have to think about it for one more minute. ~; ;-T
Terry
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Do it. ;-T
I miss mine...
(http://www.sacramentocrotchrockets.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1848&d=1426001541)
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There's not a hair on your ass if you don't get it. Had a 906 Paso and wish I'd never gotten rid of it. Yeah, the sound.
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Buy it! At that price, you can have some fun and if it turns out to just be a fling instead of true love, you should have no problem getting your investment back on it.
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Ducky! For that price you can't lose. Tires are likely even still good. Get a new chain and go for it. 2V air-cooled engine isn't all that complex and valve adjustment usually stays put for a long time.
cr
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"Banana peel out"
"NOT mellow Yellow"
even my wife said get it.
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Ducky! For that price you can't lose. Tires are likely even still good. Get a new chain and go for it. 2V air-cooled engine isn't all that complex and valve adjustment usually stays put for a long time.
cr
And when the valves do come due for adjustment, it is_not_the horror story that some folks will tell you. If it's got the Weber carburetor, I'll send you a good book on Webers that will help tuning it. Free, but you've got to promise to buy the Ducati.
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You guys are evil. I love it.
So new suspension for the Griso or a second bike.
I don't really need a new suspension.....
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Go ahead. Be bad.
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Go ahead. Be bad.
He's asking $2500. Offer $2000 "cuz it should probably have a look-over by the Duck dealer". Buy it at $2250. I'd buy it in a second at that price.
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Nice bike and decent price. If you can get it for even less, all the better.
The only counter-argument I can think of is that the bike is very similar in mission and performance to the Griso, which you already have. If I was buying another bike, I think I would prefer something more dissimilar.
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Wait a minute someone else wants another bike?
Sweet.
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There were some non-desmo designs but I think those came later as 800's.
The last non-Desmo Ducati I remember was the 900 GTS back in the '70s.
If it's got the Weber carburetor, I'll send you a good book on Webers that will help tuning it.
2001 Monster 750 would have Mikuni CV carbs. The Weber was only used on the 750 Paso, 906 Paso and 750 Sport in the mid to late '80s.
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If I wasn't saving up for the auction in May I'd be all over it. Price seems fair, you don't get much for that and if you don't like it, it would sell pretty easy. As for adding a second bike............ I wouldn't be concerned till you hit triple digits on the inventory. Buy it and enjoy it !!!!
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She is winking at you!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Ducati-Not-The-First-Ad_zpsvhtlzqhl.jpg)
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How hard can a dry clutch to be to fix?
Really? I don't know, how hard? ???
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BUY IT!
Peter, forgive me, but I'm a little skeptical about those valve adjustment intervals. AFAIK on the air-cooled motors they USED to be 3k, were lengthened to 7.5k around EDIT - 08 or so (like with our 2011 696) and never exceeded that (unless it's after the first couple of valve checks).
EDIT - I'm seeing conflicting info.
My 11 696 owner's manual (and I'm pretty sure Jays 14 796) both clearly state valves are done every 7500 for every interval listed.
BUT I've got a chart from DMF, it's a little unclear but it LOOKS LIKE IT IS FROM DUCATI and it LOOKS to me like they are saying there were two intervals depending on model.
7500 and 15000
The CHART suggests that after the first service your intervals are right and my owner's manual is wrong (maybe superseded - I'll ask this spring when we bring Jenn's 696 in for the 7500 mile service).
The CHART suggests 7500 models were checked at 7500 for the FIRST CHECK ONLY - then every 15000 - i.e. 73.5k, 22.5k, 37.5k, 52.5k
15000 models were checked at 15000 for each check (first included) - so 15k, 30k, 45k, 60k.
I'll be very curious to see how that turns out.
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The last non-Desmo Ducati I remember was the 900 GTS back in the '70s.
2001 Monster 750 would have Mikuni CV carbs. The Weber was only used on the 750 Paso, 906 Paso and 750 Sport in the mid to late '80s.
This `01 750 Duck has Mikuni carbs...........see above, transferred from my official 2001 Cycle News Buyer's Guide. ;)
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I have a friend with a hotrod 1998 M750 and another friend with a hotrod 1997 M900.
Neither of them ride anymore. Both bikes could be bought.
It sure is tempting.
They're lots of fun. Especially with FCR carbs, fancy suspension, and big brakes!
:bike
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I used to love riding my buddy's Monster S2R 1000, great feel and sound! Get it, you'll love it!
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i had one for a short while,
two observatios:
suspension on the monsters barely adequate,
if you are considering better suspension for the griso , you will be shocked by the monster
having said that , ohlins ducati suspension come up for sale pretty often , and make a amazing difference
Setting the valves is a pain, i still own a couple of ducati's, the reason i do most of my riding on guzzi's is i get fed up with working on these things.
a monster is a perfect bike to borrow, enjoy the bike and let somebody else worry about maintenance :-)
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As Rocker said FCR's really wake these little devils up. Too bad they cost about $1,000 :(
The notchy throttle is probably more a function of the extra tall gearing. Up the rear sprocket 2 teeth and 1st gear actually becomes usable. You can get lighter springs or remove two springs from the pressure plate to ease up the pull. Belts should be changed just because you don't know how old they are (every two years or 12K). I run mine at least 3 or 4 years but don't get close on mileage. Valve adjustments as other said don't involve black magic and after they "bed" in rarely need to be re shimmed. The valves on my 900ss were adjusted several thousand miles ago when I bought it and I won't check then again until I hit 7 to 10k.
$2,500 in my area is an okay price $2,000 to $2,250 is better. Most current bike buyers are not interested in "small" 750cc motors. They are also afraid of 16 year old bikes thinking a motorcycle certainly can't last that long. Then throw in suggested maintenance intervals and you have a bike that everybody loves to look at but are afraid to buy. You have a bit of an upper hand as a buyer.
Good luck.
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Last week I stopped by Eurosports to inquire about servicing Jenn's Duc. They felt 3-4 years was fine on the belts (which is good cause we're approaching 4 now).
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I have a friend with a hotrod 1998 M750 and another friend with a hotrod 1997 M900.
Neither of them ride anymore. Both bikes could be bought.
It sure is tempting.
They're lots of fun. Especially with FCR carbs, fancy suspension, and big brakes!
:bike
The price seems reasonable but I'd check around to see what else it's available just to make sure. I might even try to ride another one as a comparison.
I love my Sport Classic. The naked Ducs aren't too hard to work on. Ya the valves are more involved than most bikes but the 2 valve air cooled motors are pretty solid.
You can upgrade to the MBP valve keepers which really helps to hold the tolerance. You can usually push the inspection out to 10k miles with them. They aren't expensive (~$170) and can be installed at the next valve service. I put them in my bike when I did the valves recently. The timing belts are easy to change and you can get aftermarket belts from ca-cycleworks for half the cost of OEM belts. I put in a set of them recently and they work fine but are a tad noisier than the OEM belts. They "sing" just a tiny bit but it's no big deal.
Everything else on the bike is straight forward.
My only word of caution is Ducati learned their parts pricing from BMW, the stuff costs! But with the recent takeover from Audi supply is very good. For my last three orders parts came in around 3-4 days, better than a few of my Guzzi orders.
I'd agree with the statement that sorta fills the same roll as the Griso, but it's a totally different ride experience.
If there's nothing seriously wrong with the bike and you like the ride experience I'd go for it. You should be able to flip it and not lose money if you decide later on it's not for you.
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My S2r duc & 1200s goose look similar. The ride couldn't be more different'er. Love them both.
If you've got $2,250 & the equipment checks out, then it looks like you've just bought yourself a fun little bike.
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Do it, we all go a little gay sometimes. :D :o ;)
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She is winking at you!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Ducati-Not-The-First-Ad_zpsvhtlzqhl.jpg)
That photo is too creepy- and that's a lot coming from me. That model looks like she's all of fourteen.
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Do it, we all go a little gay sometimes. :D :o ;)
Ummmm. Really?
I always liked the S2R- nice straightforward bike (except for the valve adjustment).
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The clutch slaves are an issue on those, they usually leak fluid down the left side of the case. How many miles? Were the timing belts done and when? I just sold this one with new timing belts, valve adjustment, plugs and oil...
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o521/jwalano/750%20Monster/IMG_20141001_090904621_zpsjszzqboz.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/jwalano/media/750%20Monster/IMG_20141001_090904621_zpsjszzqboz.jpg.html)
Tires were excellent, the pipes had been gutted and it had a K&N filter. I got 2150.00 for it, it's a 1999 with 27k.
BTW it was a blast to ride!
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A friend of mine has one of those, identical, and in yellow, but with stock exhaust. No rev counter. I rode it and was surprised that it wasn't more engaging. I thought I'd be looking askance at my old Guzzi after riding it but not at all. Give me the Guzzi any day. This friend borrowed my Guzzi at the same time and he came back raving about the engine and how alive it felt. Mine has a bog standard Mille GT engine in it but with Lafranconis. Probably sounds a lot faster than it is.
Head to head the Duc I'm sure would thrash the Guzzi, but that is not how it felt on the bike.The Duc felt too civilised and my friend was a little insulted when I told him it felt a lot like a Japanese bike ;D. He loves it though and that's all that counts.
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I only obsessively LOOK at Ducatis. You're actually touching them.
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That photo is too creepy- and that's a lot coming from me. That model looks like she's all of fourteen.
Both the photo and the message are purient in the extreme. Some seriously screwed up 'Talent' at that advertising agency........
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Agreed on the model, btw. Too young for such a sexualized pose.
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Is she really that young (or looks that young)?
I ask because my commute used to take me through a local college.
And I noticed over the years that I was scoping like a dog early on, then as the years went on they started to look younger and younger.
When Jenn and I were out at a bar in Philly with some friends recently there were girls drinking I pointed out that we thought looked too young too...but were obviously 21.
I guess I'm saying, our perspectives change as we age... and maybe we fool ourselves too.
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Both the photo and the message are purient in the extreme. Some seriously screwed up 'Talent' at that advertising agency........
Yup!
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I ride both a Griso and a Monster, infact I'm on a forum here in the UK dedicated to Monsters. The 750 is considered the best balance of power and and overall performance amongst the members.
Whilst both bikes are 'street' bikes, riding my Griso back to back with the Monster is like chalk and cheese. The weight, sharpness of streering and pep of the throttle is very different.I consider the Griso to be my steady brisk bike. The Monster has a nick name.....ferret on steroids! Its far more of a quick cross country bike ( even with all the rain we have in England!)
Personally, its a no brainer.....go haggle and buy!
By the why, belts should be changed every 2 yrs or approx 12k miles
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About that young looking model , Kev m is correct . I hate to tell all you old geezers , but every kid under the age of 25 and over 14 looks the same age . One of the side effects of getting old . Don't believe me , go to the local DMV and watch 12 year old kids applying for drivers licenses :D "Ain't no way that kid is 16 , looks about 12 to me" ;D
Dusty
Getting truer every year. When they'd bring kids through our office or plant on new-employee orientation days, I thought it was a middle-school outing.
Women that are 21 and look 15 make a fortune in the modeling industry. Dirty old men .... !!
Lannis
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By the why, belts should be changed every 2 yrs or approx 12k miles
I know that's the corporate line. I'm just finding more and more like-minded people who feel the time limit is very conservative.
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I used to love riding my buddy's Monster S2R 1000, great feel and sound! Get it, you'll love it!
I humbly assert an S2R 1000 sorted like mine is the best canyon bike ever. Getting ready to spend $560 for belts and valves, last done 3 years ago, it's the price of passion and worth every penny.
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I humbly assert an S2R 1000 sorted like mine is the best canyon bike ever. Getting ready to spend $560 for belts and valves, last done 3 years ago, it's the price of passion and worth every penny.
I can't really remember what it felt like the first time riding a bicycle without training wheels. But I imagine it's kinda close to how I feel every time I ride this little gem.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/ssasser/trace5_052107014.jpg)
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I know that's the corporate line. I'm just finding more and more like-minded people who feel the time limit is very conservative.
Kev, wondering if you have an opinion.
My service quote is $160 for belts and $400 for valves. It has 18k miles and is running perfectly, never abused. I suspect the valves will not need adjustment, as the 2 valves tend to settle in with more miles. Should I just do belts since it's been three years and leave the valves alone?
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What miles were the valves done last? Valves aren't a time thing, just a mileage. Of course if you're there for the belts you're 1/3 of the way there.
I am told the valves settle after a while...
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Valves 8k ago, I only put about 2500 miles a year on her. I will probably do the both because, as you say, I will be a third of the way there. Glad to have an independent Duc mechanic who has probably done it close to a thousand times.
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How hard is it to do it yourself? I have heard conflicting opinions. The explanations I have seen make it look pretty easy, but what do I know? I haven't taken a gas engine apart since shop class, and that was 40 years ago.
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How hard is it to do it yourself? I have heard conflicting opinions. The explanations I have seen make it look pretty easy, but what do I know? I haven't taken a gas engine apart since shop class, and that was 40 years ago.
I watched a guy do the belts and valve lash on a 2 valve air-cooled Monster once ... he made it look EASY. He sat down on the right side of the bike on a roll-around seat with a sheaf of T-handle allen wrenches and a belt gauge and he was done in under an hour, without going on the other side of the bike or getting up for tools .... That's just me watching, I've never done it either, but if I had a 2-valve air-cooled Ducati, I'd tackle it in a second, no fear. 4 valve water-cooled is probably another kettle of red herrings of a different color, though ....
Lannis
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Yeah, that's probably a close estimation to how Chris will do it, but it is best to leave it to him.
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even if you don't DIY, Chris @ California Cycleworks has great videos on servicing Ducati's. I recommend CACycle if youre looking for a service item for your Duc..
https://ca-cycleworks.com/tv/
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Getting ready to do the valves and belts on my S2R1000, doesn't look much more complicated than pulling cams on old Japanese fours to change valve shims! About the only really dumb thing to do is drop a valve into the combustion chamber....other than miss timing your belts. Plenty of instructional videos and books out there! There is also an outfit that rents out all the tools you need and shim packs and for $100 plus the cost of shims you use, you get to keep them up to four weeks.
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Two valve ducks are easy.. 4 valve? Not so much. ;D
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A friend of mine has one of those, identical, and in yellow, but with stock exhaust. No rev counter. I rode it and was surprised that it wasn't more engaging. I thought I'd be looking askance at my old Guzzi after riding it but not at all. Give me the Guzzi any day. This friend borrowed my Guzzi at the same time and he came back raving about the engine and how alive it felt. Mine has a bog standard Mille GT engine in it but with Lafranconis. Probably sounds a lot faster than it is.
The 750's were the slowest of the Monsters. Even the later 620's had more horsepower and were quicker.
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Valves 8k ago, I only put about 2500 miles a year on her. I will probably do the both because, as you say, I will be a third of the way there. Glad to have an independent Duc mechanic who has probably done it close to a thousand times.
Here's my thought.
You have a pretty reasonable quote for the belts and valves. You've got 18k miles, and it was done at about 10k last. So does that mean 10k was the first check (instead of 7.5k)?
As I said earlier, my slightly later-model OM says EVERY 7.5k, but the chart I got from DMF suggests 7.5k, 22k, and then every 15k thereafter.
PERSONALLY I'm going to go 7.5k, 15k, 22k and BASED ON THAT (assuming there are few or minor changes at 22k and hopefully 15k too) I'll extend it to 15k.
If I'm guessing right and you've only ever had the first one done at 10k (or even if it's been done twice, say 5k and 10k) I'd still want do this one now.
Based on the results of this one and the previous one(s) is how I'd decide to proceed from there.
Also, what does your owner's manual say. You're ONE year before the chart I have starts. Does that mean they were recommended 3k or 3.5k or something like that your year and changed it the next?
Anyway, that's just my opinion, but I'm still relatively new to Ducs, though I am trying to pay attention.
The 750's were the slowest of the Monsters. Even the later 620's had more horsepower and were quicker.
Well, a slow 750 is no slouch.
MCN#'s
98 M750 425# wet, 57 hp / 45 torques - 12.66 1/4 mile
02 M620ie 424# wet 54 hp / 37 torques - 12.52 1/4 mile
06 M695 415# wet 62 hp / 42 torques - 12.90 1/4 mile
08 M696 408# wet 68 hp / 30* torques - 12.21 1/4 mile
10 M796 446# wet 76 hp / 51 torques - 11.97 1/4 mile
and for contrast
13 V7R 443# wet, 40 hp / 41 torques - 14.29 1/4 mile
06 Griso 1100 543# wet, 74 hp / 58 torques - 12.45 1/4 mile
09 Griso 1200 548# wet, 95 hp / 71 torques - 11.51 1/4 mile
* comparative data from MCN and from other sources suggest this might be a bad number. Cycleworld reported 66 hp / 44 torques which would be more in line with that 1/4 time.
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I ride both a Griso and a Monster......
........ Whilst both bikes are 'street' bikes, riding my Griso back to back with the Monster is like chalk and cheese. The weight, sharpness of streering and pep of the throttle is very different.I consider the Griso to be my steady brisk bike. The Monster has a nick name.....ferret on steroids! .....
I have a Griso and a Monster. Love both bikes, but a Monster is a completely different animal than the Griso. IMHO every enthusiast should own a Monster, at least for a while.
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Back about 7 years ago I had a Paso 750. I changed the belts and check the valves,which where in spec, wasn't very hard to do.
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Back about 7 years ago I had a Paso 750. I changed the belts and check the valves,which where in spec, wasn't very hard to do.
Just did the belts on my Elefant, 30 minute job even with removing the tank and an engine to frame strut that's in the way. PO checked the valves a mere 100 miles ago, so I didn't mess with that. Should be fairly easy other than the exhaust valve on the vertical cylinder - the airbox will have to come out to access that rocker cover. Also it's an early engine without the clip, so the rocker pin has to be pulled to change the shims. My Paso is an '88 with the clip, so it'll be easier.
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Mechanical "serial monogamy" is overrated... I've been looking for a new sidecar tug, something with at least 50 kw (67 hp) at the rear wheel to buck headwinds, big enough tank for 200km (124 mile) range, and sidecar mounts available. BMWs are way overpriced and nearest dealer 150 miles away, so a Stelvio is the logical choice. One dealer near (100 miles) me has a '11 Stelvio demo, but price is $13,600 firm. Other dealer near me (90 miles) has a leftover new '14 Stelvio for $14,000... Tempting! Then DMC sidecars comes out with sidecar mounts for the Yamaha Super Tenere, $14,600 for a new '14 and two dealers within a days roundtrip trailering offering leftover new '13s for $10,500! Lighter than a Stelvio but more complex with water cooling and shim valve adjustment that looks to be an all day job, but an excellent reputation for reliability. Sat on one last week and I can flat foot it, looks like I can tolerate it solo 'til the warranty runs out and I can hack it. I'm going for a test ride tomorrow and if it checks out OK, I'm buying... I have sinned, please forgive me!
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I saw a booth at COTA last year with a business selling hardened shims and/or valve adjustment parts for Ducatis. Their sign claimed that you could double the interval for valve adjustments.
I have no idea if it worked or caused damage to the valve train. I think they were California based.
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I saw a booth at COTA last year with a business selling hardened shims and/or valve adjustment parts for Ducatis. Their sign claimed that you could double the interval for valve adjustments.
I have no idea if it worked or caused damage to the valve train. I think they were California based.
MBP Collets perhaps?
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I saw a booth at COTA last year with a business selling hardened shims and/or valve adjustment parts for Ducatis. Their sign claimed that you could double the interval for valve adjustments.
I have no idea if it worked or caused damage to the valve train. I think they were California based.
Do you think that's what Ducati did to basically double their OEM recommended valve adjustment intervals in the last decade?
Or do you think it was just a result of sufficient data showing that the intervals were simply outdated?
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Two valve ducks are easy.. 4 valve? Not so much. ;D
That's why I bought one of the last of the 796's and not the new 821. Though, the maintenance intervals on the 821 are a lot longer, so, if paying someone else, it might be a wash.
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The 750's were the slowest of the Monsters. Even the later 620's had more horsepower and were quicker.
Actually the 600 was the slowest. The 750 was the middle model at the time, and the 900 the fastest.
... (does it have a metal tank?) other than a plastic fuel filter.
All the first gen Monsters (600/750/900) have a metal tank. (does it have a metal tank?) other than a plastic fuel filter. The early 620's have a metal tank, the later ones (2005-2006, IIRC) have a plastic tank. All later 2V Monsters (695, S2R, S4R, etc) have a plastic tank. The last of the 2V monsters (696, 796, 1100) have a plastic tank with separate covers, thus ethanol bulging of the tank presents less of a problem (with cosmetics anyway).
Buy it! At that price, you can have some fun and if it turns out to just be a fling instead of true love, you should have no problem getting your investment back on it.
:+1
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Peter, forgive me, but I'm a little skeptical about those valve adjustment intervals. AFAIK on the air-cooled motors they USED to be 3k, were lengthened to 7.5k around EDIT - 08 or so (like with our 2011 696) and never exceeded that (unless it's after the first couple of valve checks).
EDIT - I'm seeing conflicting info.
My 11 696 owner's manual (and I'm pretty sure Jays 14 796) both clearly state valves are done every 7500 for every interval listed.
BUT I've got a chart from DMF, it's a little unclear but it LOOKS LIKE IT IS FROM DUCATI and it LOOKS to me like they are saying there were two intervals depending on model.
7500 and 15000
The CHART suggests that after the first service your intervals are right and my owner's manual is wrong (maybe superseded - I'll ask this spring when we bring Jenn's 696 in for the 7500 mile service).
The CHART suggests 7500 models were checked at 7500 for the FIRST CHECK ONLY - then every 15000 - i.e. 73.5k, 22.5k, 37.5k, 52.5k
15000 models were checked at 15000 for each check (first included) - so 15k, 30k, 45k, 60k.
I'll be very curious to see how that turns out.
The 15,000 mile interval is for the Testastretta 4V water-cooled motors (821, 1200, 1200S Monsters + Diavel, and pretty much every other current model).
The 600/750/900 Monsters have the 3,000 mile interval. As Kev M stated, the interval wasn't raised to 7,500 until around 2008, which would be the 696/796/1100 models.
The notchy throttle is probably more a function of the extra tall gearing. Up the rear sprocket 2 teeth and 1st gear actually becomes usable.
Form what my long-time Ducati owning friends tell me, Ducatis in general tend to geared tall. I changed the front sprocket my 796 from a 15 to 14. That made it perfect. With the 15, it was a bit rough off the line unless you launched hard, and 6th gear wasn't really usable until 75 MPH. The 14 is perfect.
That said, I've ridden Jenn's (Kev M) 696, and feel that the stock gearing is just fine on that model.
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Kev, wondering if you have an opinion.
My service quote is $160 for belts and $400 for valves. It has 18k miles and is running perfectly, never abused. I suspect the valves will not need adjustment, as the 2 valves tend to settle in with more miles. Should I just do belts since it's been three years and leave the valves alone?
Belts are about $90 from CA Cycle and are easy to change. 1st time I did mine I got home from work and while still in office atire I thought I'll just take a cover off to have a look. 30 minutes later in the same cloths I was buttoning things up and the job was completed. No mess no fuss. This was even before I had a lift. Now it takes abotu 15 minutes. Watch Chris's video on youtube and do it yourself. Same for the valves. Do the whole service yourself and save $500 +/- and be a slave to the shop rates no longer ;-T.
For what ist worth Eraldo Ferracci has also made the statment that only the "openers" need to be checked/adjusted, the closers have no pressure on them.
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No doubt about it:
Multiple motorcycles cost less than multiple women (and are more fun, too).
Been there, done them... ~;
'Geezer
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I know that's the corporate line. I'm just finding more and more like-minded people who feel the time limit is very conservative.
I won't disagree with your approach, and at the risk of contadicting myself, the S4 I run has had the same belts for 4 years and about 6k milage. The difficulty is I have known guys who have not changed their belts after 2 yrs/ 12k and the belts have snapped! It's a lottery as I see it, play the odds or follow Ducati's recommended service intervals.
Also on the subject of belts changes, on both the 2V and 4V, changing belts is a matter of patience and a few dedicated tools, i.e a cam wheel lock on the 4V makes the process much easier.
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I'm going for a test ride tomorrow and if it checks out OK, I'm buying... I have sinned, please forgive me!
You are forgiven, Gearhead girl. I don't blame you, and would do it, too. See, don't you feel better already? ;D :BEER:
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Thank you for the pre-emptive absolution, I bought the Yamaha!
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Thank you for the pre-emptive absolution, I bought the Yamaha!
Attagirl..
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I won't disagree with your approach, and at the risk of contadicting myself, the S4 I run has had the same belts for 4 years and about 6k milage. The difficulty is I have known guys who have not changed their belts after 2 yrs/ 12k and the belts have snapped! It's a lottery as I see it, play the odds or follow Ducati's recommended service intervals.
Also on the subject of belts changes, on both the 2V and 4V, changing belts is a matter of patience and a few dedicated tools, i.e a cam wheel lock on the 4V makes the process much easier.
I hear you.
I suspect ambient conditions and usage play large rolls.
Ours isn't generally exposed to extreme temps, speeds, or lots of WOT, so I suspect the risk is minimal.
I might feel different living in AZ and wringing the snot out of it.
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ride what you want. But check on the service before you buy it.
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Modern valves and seats quality being what they are will result in the closer shims to stay put for a long time. As far as the openers, late models Ducatis (both air and water cooled) tend to need little in the way of shimming when they are normally ridden on the street. Checked my 07 GT1000 at 4500 and again at 12500 and no adjustments were needed. OTOH, a friend running a 01 900SS as a track bike has had to adjust the valves twice in less than 3k miles. Pre TestaStretta 4V bikes, with their peeling rockers and sometimes so-so collets etc..Whole 'nother story..
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Hmm , this hardened shim discussion sounds familiar . Still don't understand how a hardened shim increases service intervals , isn't the wear at the valve/valve seat interface , and the cam/cam follower contact . The shims just take up the slack , correct ?
Dusty
Is the wear at the valve and seat on a Desmo? I would think the difference in valve actuation greatly changes the force of closing valves, but I could be wrong.
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Is the wear at the valve and seat on a Desmo? I would think the difference in valve actuation greatly changes the force of closing valves, but I could be wrong.
Thinking the impact forces are not really much different than a valve closed by a spring . My guess is any significant decrease in wear is still due to better valves and seats , harder cams and followers , and better lubrication .
Dusty
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Oh this is funny . Those of you familiar with the British murder mystery "Death in paradise" is aware of the hack'd RE that one of the local police officers rides . He was sitting at his desk reading a moto mag , guess what was on the cover . Well of course , a late gen Monster . Just flipped over from BB , and bam , there it
was :D :D
Dusty
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Hmm , this hardened shim discussion sounds familiar . Still don't understand how a hardened shim increases service intervals , isn't the wear at the valve/valve seat interface , and the cam/cam follower contact . The shims just take up the slack , correct ?
Dusty
collets
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collets
Well dangit , why did I read shims ???
" Good morning folks , this is Dick Lexia with your four day five cast "
Dusty
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Kev,
Thanks for well considered response, I will extend my intervals after this service. Done at 6k, 10k-11k, and now at 18k. Manual says 7.5k.
The first owner did the 6k and was kind enough to put $3500 in goodies on her. I think it even has aftermarket wheels which would mean more than $3500, they are Marchesini. In spite of all that the gentleman apparently didn't understand correct braking, as the rear pads were worn to almost nothing when I bought her at 7.2k miles.
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Well it sold the day after I posted this, and not to me.
That being said, it may have given me a bit of an early Monster bug.
Need to spend a little time on one, that's for sure.
Might be for a different thread, but any clue if an older 750 or 900 monster would be a decent intro track bike if dialed in? I'm not talking warp speed Moto GP wanna be, but as a learning tool since I've only been riding a couple of years.
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If you want a track day bike I'd recc. a 600 or 750 GSXR. Lots of them around and good bikes. Get one new enough to be injected. Just my 2 pennies...........
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^^^ If you have little or no track time, I suggest a Suzuki SV650. The power is more tractable for a beginner, and you'll be as fast if not faster in the corners. You'll be slower on the straights, but it's a track day, not a race, so who cares? Any monkey can twist a throttle; the skill you're developing is cornering skill. If you like the Ducati Monster, well, the SV is the poor man's Monster. Plus, decent used ones go for about half of what decent used supersports go for ($2K vs. $4K), so when (not if) you throw the bike down the track, it will hurt a bit less (at least, financially).
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^^^ If you have little or no track time, I suggest a Suzuki SV650. The power is more tractable for a beginner, and you'll be as fast if not faster in the corners. You'll be slower on the straights, but it's a track day, not a race, so who cares? Any monkey can twist a throttle; the skill you're developing is cornering skill. If you like the Ducati Monster, well, the SV is the poor man's Monster. Plus, decent used ones go for about half of what decent used supersports go for ($2K vs. $4K), so when (not if) you throw the bike down the track, it will hurt a bit less (at least, financially).
Even better an old style Ninja 250. Learn to carry speed into corners and if you lay it down it might cost you $50 or $100 dollars to repair for the next track day. There is almost and endless supply of very inexpensive parts. That way you can have extra wheels and stock some of the more common parts without breaking the bank.
You might not go fast but like above you not racing your learning and having fun.
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That girl LOOKS too young on that ad. I'm sorry, age aside, she LOOKS like a 14 yr. old tops to me and that aint cool. Does it matter what age she REALLY is? Not really, because the point is they want a sexy looking girl right? I'm not a pervert so 14 doesn't cut it, but I have seen a lot of sexy 21 yr. old girls that look 21. ;-T. Her teeth haven't been fixed yet and her nails are as small as a 12 yr. olds. Jeesh!
Just an aside: I think girls are actually looking more mature (in development) these days than 30 yrs. ago, not the contrary. Drink Milk! ;-T
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Well again, I'm thinking most here have forgotten what a 21 y/o looks like.
Take this one (Arianna Grande) for example:
(http://c.directlyrics.com/img/upload/ariana-grande-all-my-love-cover.jpg)
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Nope, I've seen 21 yr. olds that look much older than her. You can't go by age, you go by looks. I'm not saying they hired a pubescent, I'm saying they hired someone that might be 40 for all I know that looks 14. I've seen 14 yr. olds that look 30, so your point is moot. It's age reflected in looks not real age. I'm saying that chick looks 14. My opinion. If you think she looks 21 than that's yours. Fair? I don't look my age either., so let's say you on what's behind that. :BEER:
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I understand your point, but I still think perceptions of age change as we do, and that's playing a role here.
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I understand your point, but I still think perceptions of age change as we do, and that's playing a role here.
Absolutely perception! I coach girls 13-14 every year and work with them throughout the year. I also work closely with high school girls weekly. I'm not looking backward in my assessment but rather the current state of the (female) union. Your pic looks like the average 16-17 yr. old in high school here. That ad looks like a girl I coach. Might just be the water here. ;) Somebody in that ad campaign thinks the average male finds very young girls sexy. Maybe it's just the teacher in me and I find it incestual.
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Maybe it's just the teacher in me and I find it incestual.
Just wait for a while; you'll be "on the wrong side of history" and have to be re-educated. They'll get around to pederasty, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and all the other things we used to thing were wrong .....
Lannis
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You guys should see some of the young women that I coach on the wrestling team. :o
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You guys should see some of the young women that I coach on the wrestling team. :o
Is there mud involved?? ;D
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Sheesh! Bunch of old farts are not the target for a used Ducati ad! - more like they are trying to entice young males to identify with the bike - even the fan boys - the ones too young to drive yet, but have a bunch of bike posters on the wall.
Advertising works!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/girlmoto_zpstkbayekf.jpg)
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Just wait for a while; you'll be "on the wrong side of history" and have to be re-educated. They'll get around to pederasty, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and all the other things we used to thing were wrong .....
Lannis
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/Jazzgirl999/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again.jpg)
Nevermind. Go ahead and make an ass of yourself. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.
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This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.
Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.
Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.
(http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_d6jatyldARK_600x450.jpg)
Todd.
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This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.
Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.
Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.
(http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_d6jatyldARK_600x450.jpg)
Todd.
2-up exhaust and a tail tidy. That's a nifty little bike. I wouldn't fuss much over $2,500. Sure there's better bikes & probably more worthwhile projects.
Every bike was just a "bike" before my monster. 9 years after I got it, i still feel it's the one I wanted the most, and I'm as pleased today as the day I brung her home. If you've had the itch, but never been able to scratch it, then you may soon be talking about this one as "the one that got away".
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This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.
Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.
Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.
Buy, it!
(http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_d6jatyldARK_600x450.jpg)
Todd.
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I have an 01 900 Chromo. It is a fantastic bike.
Valve adjust, it's the cheap ass wire split rings that wear in and change valve clearance. Dump those and go with MBP collets that fit proper and you won't have issues. The split rings are a round section ring in a square section notch, thus the wearing in problem. The MBP collets are machines to fit properly in the square section notch. Thus little to no wear.
You will find that you just check the valves when you do a belt change. Which is uber easy in itself. Mine is coming up on a belt change this summer.
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Fellas , almost every sitcom employs a girl in her mid 20s portraying a 15 year old . If you can prove to me that the little cutie in the ad is in fact underage , then please do so , otherwise it is all just opinion . I still say it is the trick age plays on us .
Dusty
You didn't read carefully or you're just kicking up "dust". It is opinion that I say she's 14. She can do a full spread at 18 if she wishes (forget the 20 something). I'm not debating the ethics of a company using under-aged chicks nor do I want proof. I said she might be 30 for all I know. I find fault in the ad only because they are trying to sell using a sexy chick that "to me" appears very very pubescent. I just don't find that attractive. A girl that "looks" to be 18 or older is different. I can show them an attractive 18 yr. old that looks 18. I could find them a 14 yr. old that looks closer to 18 than her. I'm not certain my perception is off. I'm not that old.
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You didn't read carefully or you're just kicking up "dust". It is opinion that I say she's 14. She can do a full spread at 18 if she wishes (forget the 20 something). I'm not debating the ethics of a company using under-aged chicks nor do I want proof. I said she might be 30 for all I know. I find fault in the ad only because they are trying to sell using a sexy chick that "to me" appears very very pubescent. I just don't find that attractive. A girl that "looks" to be 18 or older is different. I can show them an attractive 18 yr. old that looks 18. I could find them a 14 yr. old that looks closer to 18 than her. I'm not certain my perception is off. I'm not that old.
So your objection is to the fact that she looks young , OK , and yes we should protect underage girls ,and boys, from exploitation . However , what if she is 20 and a pro model ? Oh , and yes you are entering that tricky age where perception gets all weird ;D
Dusty
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OK, I WAS done with this, but let me explain what I THINK I understand about both sides of this discussion.
All of our perceptions change as we age and our experiences change.
We look in the mirror, and don't see how old we really are, and often think of ourselves as young still.
Then again, at some point in our lives MILFs probably started to look good, when they likely were not on our radar in our teens and twenties (yeah, I know, there are exceptions).
But I venture to say most of us (teachers excluded and parents with teenagers at home) aren't probably hanging around teenage girls anymore.
As such when we see a college age girl MANY of us will often go "holy crap, she LOOKS young." We've probably all done it, been out at a bar, noticed a girl with a drink in her hand and thought or said "WTF, they're letting in high school girls" or "Shyte, when did 21 start to look so young."
So Dusty and Me are thinking, well, we've seen chicks like Ariana Grande, and accept that at a glance we may think she is very young, but we KNOW that she is 21 and we don't think she's purposely trying to look underage, so we accept that's what 21 year olds look like these days.
On the flip side KevD being a teacher is surrounded by actual underage girls every day. He's not only used to seeing them he's also used to rightfully thinking of them as too young. Now HIS perception is opposite ours. Because he sees them everyday he's used to young girls probably trying to look older than they are, but either way that LOOK has become to him a norm of "TOO YOUNG". When he sees a 21 year old that looks the same he thinks she's trying to look young instead of that underage girl trying to look old.
I dunno, personally I know my taste in women has changed over the years and where a decade ago those college age girls looked pretty good (so I married one) I now think (as I said before) they look young FOR ME... not TOO YOUNG as in prepubescent, just not my taste.
And I've never been one to fawn over an overly made up woman anyway, so ironically I'm not all about the Ducati ad anymore than I am Ariana Grande...
<shrugs>
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Well said Kev m . Really , most of the time this stuff slips past me , no idea who Ariana Grande is , and was ignorant of the Ducati ad . If that ad had used a middle aged female would it have been less controversial , or gasp , even humorous ? One of our local restaurants dresses their waitresses in T-shirts that say,
You can't be first
But you might be next
Most find this amusing , and see it for what it is , advising patrons to be patient when the place is busy .
Just who posted this controversial ad anyway ? ;D
Dusty
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We're over thinking this. Fact is some look older than their age, some younger. Has happened since the beginning of time. I remember girls when I was in HS that looked like they belonged in JH. I also remember girls that looked like college age :o Very developed. So nothing has changed, this chick has the nails and teeth of that same girl in JH I remember back then and see today. I accept she is whatever age you say she is. I'm CERTAIN she's at least 18 from a legal status if that's what's legal. SOmething that DOES change through the years is marketing. Models are thinner than your average person (some starve themselves) for the catwalk. We know that's not what we'd consider "normal", though you will find the occasional chick that is naturally that thin. It's what sells! So... the marketers may be wanting a REALLY young look because it sells not because it's normal to look this way at her age. She aint "normal" I guarantee at whatever age she is (yes... LEGAL). They can have a beauty queen represent any age they'd like and they chose 14 in my opinion. :P
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I dunno, personally I know my taste in women has changed over the years and where a decade ago those college age girls looked pretty good (so I married one) I now think (as I said before) they look young FOR ME... not TOO YOUNG as in prepubescent, just not my taste.
<shrugs>
You're going to like the next James Bond movie; the "Bond Girl" is going to be 50 + years old ... .!
Lannis
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KevD, of course some look older, some younger. But I'm talking about an observable trend that the older we get the younger 21 (or name any age) looks. It's a natural result of changing perspective as we age.
Lanni's, I said my taste has changed, but not THAT MUCH... It's keeping pace with Jenn... Mid 30's....
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Hey , I have always liked women in the 35 to 45 age bracket , still do :D Just that now an attractive 70 year old catches my eye , Helen Mirren is hot :o
Dusty
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Thats really interesting, Lannis! It is nice to see mature women that look half their age - Ann Margret and Sophia Loren in the movie "Grumpy Old Men" are two fine examples. :-*
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/sophialoren_zpsyduru3rj.jpg)
Sex appeal can depend on other factors too besides youth like looks.
For example, visual style, hygiene and social business political connections are much more important to many of us!
One of the richest women in the world, 80+ years old, worth over 8 billion, on her wedding day! Whoo hoo!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/old%20bride_zpscaptgczd.jpg)
**C
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So your objection is to the fact that she looks young , OK , and yes we should protect underage girls ,and boys, from exploitation . However , what if she is 20 and a pro model ? Oh , and yes you are entering that tricky age where perception gets all weird ;D
Dusty
Dusty, don't get hung up on the exploitation thing. They're exploiting nothing, she may be 30, and models generally "never" look older than they are. Girls these days look more endowed than I ever remember, so I think girls look older today than they did back in the day. Sorry, I don't go for the "I'm getting older perception thing". Many of my friends think development of women has increased through the years. Hormones in milk/food?? Have you ever heard that tossed out there? I sure have. That's what they're talking about.., development of young girls. 16 is the new 18.
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Sorry, I don't go for the "I'm getting older perception thing". Many of my friends think development of women has increased through the years. Hormones in milk/food?? Have you ever heard that tossed out there? I sure have. That's what they're talking about.., development of young girls. 16 is the new 18.
Jenn shares my perception and as a pediatrician and neonatologist she's quite aware of developmental milestones and trends...
Just sayin....
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Jenn shares my perception and as a pediatrician and neonatologist she's quite aware of developmental milestones and trends...
Just sayin....
How can she have your perception; she's a woman. :D She doesn't think development of girls has increased in general the past 30 years? How old is she? I honestly can't tell you the age of young women because after puberty they seem to quickly mature physically. Am I the only guy here that thinks young ladies in HS can look pretty (ahem) far along in years?
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How can she have your perception; she's a woman.
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It is possible for people to share a perception even if they have different perspectives. :P
She doesn't think development of girls has increased in general the past 30 years?
No, I said she shares the opinion that as we age what once seemed old or a peer seems to become younger and younger in our perception.
I.E. that 21 starts to look like 14...
And no, I said she is well aware of trends in development/pubescence and still feels despite that the relative appearance makes it harder for us to judge as we age.
How old is she?
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I honestly can't tell you the age of young women because after puberty they seem to quickly mature physically.
There are a bunch of jokes there I'm not touching... but I will say it's funny you draw the line at puberty (meaning you seem confident before then) but you can't tell after when my point of view is the further removed you become from that point the harder it is.
Then again, I did concede that your greater exposure than most of us would change that perspective from ours.
Am I the only guy here that thinks young ladies in HS can look pretty (ahem) far along in years?
Again, I never disputed that they CAN, but despite physical development I still think they look young, much moreso than I thought they did a decade or two ago. And I'm not talking about dress or affectations, just perception of physical age.
Anyway, it's ok that we disagree on this, as I said it will and should vary with perspective and age, and experiences.
I just think more people our age and older are surprised how young looking the average 21 year old is compared to how we thought they looked when we were 21.
Ohh, here's another example, it's similar to people looking at pictures of themselves 10 or 20 years ago and thinking or saying "I was never that young".
When we're young we think we're old and wise, and as we age, we often forget that we're not as young as we are not, but never were.
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We had 2 particular young ladies in Junior High , 1967 , that were , ... well ... fully developed . How old was Judy Garland when The Wizard of Oz was filmed , and Geez , look at the "National Velvet" posters featuring a 12 year old Liz Taylor :o
Dusty
TRIVIA TIME - Judy Garland was so uhhh, excited to be in front of the camera her nipples just poked through the outfit when they first started rehearsals and filming. So the director had makeup tape them down each day before filming. (I took a cult film class in college).
KD - this might explain part of it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21895379
Abstract
Perceptions of age influence how we evaluate, approach, and interact with other people. Based on a paramorphic human judgment model, the present study investigates possible determinants of accuracy and bias in age estimation across the adult life span. For this purpose, 154 young, middle-aged, and older participants of both genders estimated the age of 171 faces of young, middle-aged, and older men and women, portrayed on a total of 2,052 photographs. Each face displayed either an angry, fearful, disgusted, happy, sad, or neutral expression (FACES database; Ebner, Riediger, & Lindenberger, 2010). We found that age estimation ability decreased with age. Older and young adults, however, were more accurate and less biased in estimating the age of members of their own as compared with those of the other age group.
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2-up exhaust and a tail tidy. That's a nifty little bike. I wouldn't fuss much over $2,500. Sure there's better bikes & probably more worthwhile projects.
Every bike was just a "bike" before my monster. 9 years after I got it, i still feel it's the one I wanted the most, and I'm as pleased today as the day I brung her home. If you've had the itch, but never been able to scratch it, then you may soon be talking about this one as "the one that got away".
Contact has been initiated. He has some interesting trade parameters as well.
What Iv'e really wanted for some time is a half fairing 750SS. Maybe without particularly rewarding roads nearby, I should forget that and concentrate on one of these?
As the 750's of limited fairing are what really trips my trigger - letting this one be "the one that..." is probably silly.
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Contact has been initiated. He has some interesting trade parameters as well.
What Iv'e really wanted for some time is a half fairing 750SS. Maybe without particularly rewarding roads nearby, I should forget that and concentrate on one of these?
As the 750's of limited fairing are what really trips my trigger - letting this one be "the one that..." is probably silly.
Have a look at the monoshock mount on the monster you're considering. If I recall, the supersport frames required unbolting the upper shock mount to give adequate access to the rear valve cover for inspection/adjustment. My monster does not & I don't think this era 750 requires getting the suspension out of the way either.
I think the one that really did it for me was a white-frame 900SS (supersport). There were "CR"- Cafe Race versions from the era with 1/2 fairings, but the fully tarted up models got my complete attention. I never found one close enough at a time when finances would allow, so I never had a "one that got away" moment with an SS version. I still think they're among the most gorgeous bikes.
Good luck with whatever you decide. Shopping is fun & being on the edge of a good deal you can take or leave has its' own sense of satisfaction.
I always thought it'd be cool to do a bike in Bianchi colors- black body and pale green frame, number plate, & logos.
(http://www.advrider.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=71608&stc=1&d=1145655393)
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Yep, comparing to what I see at school daily. Junior High or Freshman in HS to me. No reflection on MY age as I'm comparing to current girls running around the halls. Disgusting to me that they chose that LOOK for that SEXY ad.
Alright enough on that chick. I've seen many a good ad with motorcycles and chicks that possess outstanding qualities. Guzzi's even had some winners. ;-T
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Whew...
This one went off the rails!
And yes. You should see the girls I photograph at bat mitzvahs. 13 going on 23. Yikes!
Anyways, keeping my eyes open for a Monster of some sort. Although, an SR800 is sounding a touch more interesting and less work. Might be less fun tho.
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I might be the wrong guy to ask being more cruiser oriented, but TO ME, the Monster is the essence of Ducati for the street. Well, and maybe the Scrambler too.
DO IT!
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Yep, comparing to what I see at school daily. Junior High or Freshman in HS to me. No reflection on MY age as I'm comparing to current girls running around the halls. Disgusting to me that they chose that LOOK for that SEXY ad.
Alright enough on that chick. I've seen many a good ad with motorcycles and chicks that possess outstanding qualities. Guzzi's even had some winners. ;-T
Never been much on girls who are trying to be the equivalent of show poodles.
This gal right here is more woman than those fluffy bits of cheesecake will EVER be:
http://www.nj.com/inside-jersey/index.ssf/2015/03/clifton_woman_still_easy_riding_at_age_89.html
Lannis
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Have a look at the monoshock mount on the monster you're considering. If I recall, the supersport frames required unbolting the upper shock mount to give adequate access to the rear valve cover for inspection/adjustment. My monster does not & I don't think this era 750 requires getting the suspension out of the way either.
Good luck with whatever you decide. Shopping is fun & being on the edge of a good deal you can take or leave has its' own sense of satisfaction.
I always thought it'd be cool to do a bike in Bianchi colors- black body and pale green frame, number plate, & logos.
Thanks for that heads-up. We're down to the trade aspect of how many and what configuration of rifles against the bike. Being rifle "poor" I'm not too concerned as long as he doesn't want one of my pet shooters. That's not to say I shoot domestic animals so y'all just back off! :BEER:
As long as I can get to belts and valves without too much of a curfuffle, I'm in.
Although, if it works out, I pity the neglect I foresee for my Barely Davidson.
Colors now, I still have a nice stash of "off the boat" Scuderia Ferrari paint I've been saving for the Sport 1100. I'd love to (purists cringe.... wait for it... HERE) blast it and the Ducati.
Todd.
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.... the Monster is the essence of Ducati for the street. Well, and maybe the Scrambler too.
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DO IT!
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^^^^^^^^ THIS is good advice. ;D ;-T
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The 900ss is the essence of Ducati for the street. Well, and maybe the Scrambler Monster too.
DO IT!
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LOL, I get your point, but I think the 900ss is more the essence of Ducati's race heritage... slightly different point than what I was making.
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LOL, I get your point, but I think the 900ss is more the essence of Ducati's race heritage... slightly different point than what I was making.
Esp. the original 900SS:
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20900SS%2075%20%203.jpg)