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he was an accident waiting to happen.. He punched out a producer fro not having hot food available after a shoot.
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Personally, I'm bummed because the show was top notch - the cinematography, the chance to really see cars I'll never drive in my life thrashed, the staged but funny "challenges" and the chemistry and low-brow humor. It will never be the same.
He DID IT TO HIMSELF, so I'm kinda pissed AT HIM for it.
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he was an accident waiting to happen.. He punched out a producer fro not having hot food available after a shoot.
Like most things in this world it's not all black and white.
Here are some things we know about it.
1. There was more to the story. Much of it is damning to Clarkson, but it sounds like it occurred in a pub, and both men had been drinking.
2. Not an excuse but Jeremy's life is imploding right now, in the middle of a second divorce, admittedly smoking and drinking too much, etc.
It SOUNDS to me like the producer is going to milk this for all it is worth. Reports were he had a bleeding lip. Big friggin' deal. But he knows Jeremy is worth 30M Euros, so he went to the emergency room and is not talking to the press and has been unavailable for Jeremy's apologies. I smell lawsuit.
Personally as a huge fan of the show I think they COULD have worked something out. They could have treated it like they do with professional athletes, FINE, FINE, FINE.
I BET this producer would have happily accepted a settlement, say 25% of Jeremy's contracted 600,000 euro salary next year, and another financial penalty to Clarkson if he stepped out of line with him again.
Oh well, RIP TOP GEAR!
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I heard about it on the radio yesterday. He has a huge following but looks like he pushed the boss man a little to far. What Kev said. :( :BEER:
Matt
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The show was running out of ideas and people to offend (he didn't like bikers) but was still very popular.
Probably the right time to call it a day for Clarkson so he can get his act together.
Basically he arrived at a hotel after a days shooting followed by a drinking session, demanded hot food at 10pm and took it out on a producer when he didn't get his way. He was already on a warning from the BBC so the outcome was predictable.
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If it sticks and he's through at BBC, he has a broad enough audience that he can launch his own show for a US production company.
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I will miss the show, won't be the same
One of my favorite shows to watch.
In this day and time, I am surprised he lasted this long, he was not PC. I think BBC is going to lose a lot of viewers and money with this decision.
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He was kind of a train wreck waiting to happen. I am surprised he survived this long without a major incident.
But, I LOVE that show. Have seen the US and AUS version and they just aren't the same. I am kinda shocked it has kept on for so long.
I can't say it will be impossible to replace him, but, it would be difficult.
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I'm gonna miss Captain Slow, the hamster, and the orangutan. :'(
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Jeremy who???
What show?
is that on PBS?
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BBC I heard about in on PBS. From time to time someone will past a clip here. ;-T :BEER:
Matt
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My favourite Top Gear clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcmqTAu6b8
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I hear Piers Morgan is looking for work...
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Jeremy who???
What show?
is that on PBS?
Definitely not PBS. I had to google the name to see who he is. Thought he might be a Fox News anchor. Yawn. Working in TV for over 30 years, I don't watch much.
Tobit.
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He was a known hater of hybrids, but in a recent episode had softened significantly heaping some praise on the BMW i8 saying it was where we are heading headed and choosing it for an afternoon 209 mile drive back home over an M3.
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Jeremy who???
What show?
is that on PBS?
Something to do with TV. One of those reality shows I guess. Probably Kim whatshernames husband.
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It's a gift to the great American viewing public in return for all the dross you send over for us to watch. :BEER:
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I've been reading his articles in the London Times for years and a fan of Top Gear. They should have cut a deal with him. He says things about bad cars that we wish everyone did.
Dean
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I've been reading his articles in the London Times for years and a fan of Top Gear. They should have cut a deal with him. He says things about bad cars that we wish everyone did.
Dean
He does that about everything... Much to the chagrin of some.
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bah - bye !
(http://s3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/04/crying-6.gif)
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This is my favorite of his work, the show about the Robin Reliant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8)
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I've been reading his articles in the London Times for years and a fan of Top Gear. They should have cut a deal with him. He says things about bad cars that we wish everyone did.
Dean
If I were the BBC, I would've sold the entire show to another network. No way would I ever put up with Clarkson but the show has a lot of fans. TG is sorta like fast food, you hate yourself but you like to eat anyway.
Also, read that Clarkson was privately working on another show on another network.
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has to be the most ambitious Top Gear episode. and no Clarkson for all you haters. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdrlWR-yFM
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Well, yes, but after a particularly bad day of shooting. The food was just the straw that broke the camel's back. May called it a bit of a dust up. They cancelled one showing of Top Gear and it cost the BBC 4 million viewers.
the story I read: TG had completed filming for the day and were going to be helicoptered back to the hotel. Jeremy kept everyone waiting for a couple hours drinking in a pub. When they got back hours late to the hotel, the kitchen was closed and only bar food was available. He threw a hissey fit and cussed out his crew for 30 minutes in front of the hotel guests and then punched his producer. The guy went to a clinic to get tended to and get this- the producer was the one afraid of being fired.
The hotel manager opened up the kitchen and fixed poor JC a hot meal- yeah!
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Personally, I'm bummed because the show was top notch - the cinematography, the chance to really see cars I'll never drive in my life thrashed, the staged but funny "challenges" and the chemistry and low-brow humor. It will never be the same.
He DID IT TO HIMSELF, so I'm kinda pissed AT HIM for it.
THAT SAID
Like most things in this world it's not all black and white.
Here are some things we know about it.
1. There was more to the story. Much of it is damning to Clarkson, but it sounds like it occurred in a pub, and both men had been drinking.
2. Not an excuse but Jeremy's life is imploding right now, in the middle of a second divorce, admittedly smoking and drinking too much, etc.
It SOUNDS to me like the producer is going to milk this for all it is worth. Reports were he had a bleeding lip. Big friggin' deal. But he knows Jeremy is worth 30M Euros, so he went to the emergency room and is not talking to the press and has been unavailable for Jeremy's apologies. I smell lawsuit.
Personally as a huge fan of the show I think they COULD have worked something out. They could have treated it like they do with professional athletes, FINE, FINE, FINE.
I BET this producer would have happily accepted a settlement, say 25% of Jeremy's contracted 600,000 euro salary next year, and another financial penalty to Clarkson if he stepped out of line with him again.
Oh well, RIP TOP GEAR!
I suspect in normal times this would be exactly what would happen but I think ol' Jeremy burned one too many bridges, was an ass for far too long and crossed that line in the sand for many people and there is no making nice now. He gets to pay the piper now.
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Rboe, likely you are correct.
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Personally, I'm bummed because the show was top notch - the cinematography, the chance to really see cars I'll never drive in my life thrashed, the staged but funny "challenges" and the chemistry and low-brow humor. It will never be the same.
He DID IT TO HIMSELF, so I'm kinda pissed AT HIM for it.
THAT SAID
Like most things in this world it's not all black and white.
Here are some things we know about it.
1. There was more to the story. Much of it is damning to Clarkson, but it sounds like it occurred in a pub, and both men had been drinking.
2. Not an excuse but Jeremy's life is imploding right now, in the middle of a second divorce, admittedly smoking and drinking too much, etc.
It SOUNDS to me like the producer is going to milk this for all it is worth. Reports were he had a bleeding lip. Big friggin' deal. But he knows Jeremy is worth 30M Euros, so he went to the emergency room and is not talking to the press and has been unavailable for Jeremy's apologies. I smell lawsuit.
No! No! No!
The BBC investigated and published the results, including the fact that none of the witnesses or parties -- including Clarkson -- disputed any of the findings.
The Facts:
After a long day of shooting on location, Clarkson and others involved in the shoot went to their hotel for the evening. A hot meal was not waiting for Clarkson, and he became enraged. Blaming one of the producers for the sanfu, he loudly and publicly berated., bullied and humiliated the producer, calling him names and telling him he was fired. The scene took place on an outdoor patio, and Clarkson was so loud that he was heard by hotel staff and guests in the lobby and front desk. The producer offered no resistance and simply took the abuse, thinking that he had, indeed, been fired. Then, unprovoked, Clarkson punched the producer in the mouth. The producer did not fight back but left the patio and went into the hotel, bleeding, with Clarkson following him and continuing to loudly and publicly demean and badger him. The producer took a taxi to a clinic because he was bleeding and needed medical attention.
All of this was confirmed by several witnesses and was admitted to by Clarkson. This comes after Clarkson was given a "last chance" warning by his employer for prior incidents.
Sometimes things ARE black and white. As James May put it, "I don't see as how they [the BBC] had any choice."
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Some of the Top Gear episodes are extremely dangerous for the "Presenters".
How many Actors do their own stunts?
I find fault with the "Producer" for not anticipating the requests of the people doing the work. Isn't that his job???
The "Producer" is a wimp who can't take a punch from a weak old man who just happens to be his top man. I guess heavy construction projects are different.
Well at least Top Gear lasted longer than the Smother's Brothers (also cancelled for being Politically Incorrect).
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I find fault with the "Producer" for not anticipating the requests of the people doing the work. Isn't that his job???
The "Producer" is a wimp who can't take a punch from a weak old man who just happens to be his top man. I guess heavy construction projects are different.
Well at least Top Gear lasted longer than the Smother's Brothers (also cancelled for being Politically Incorrect).
Clarkson is not "the boss" (as he has discovered) and the producer was not responsible for the hotel kitchen being closed. (In fact Clarkson was himself responsible for the late arrival at the hotel.) I have been in employment law for a lot of years and I can tell you that in any workplace, let alone a high-profile one like the BBC, if you sucker-punch a co-worker -- you're fired.
WTH does this have to do with being politically correct? Interesting way to try to excuse a battery. Let's see if the local police see it your way.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11494903/Jeremy-Clarkson-now-faces-police-probe.html
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No! No! No!
The BBC investigated and published the results, including the fact that none of the witnesses or parties -- including Clarkson -- disputed any of the findings.
The Facts:
After a long day of shooting on location, Clarkson and others involved in the shoot went to their hotel for the evening. A hot meal was not waiting for Clarkson, and he became enraged. Blaming one of the producers for the sanfu, he loudly and publicly berated., bullied and humiliated the producer, calling him names and telling him he was fired. The scene took place on an outdoor patio, and Clarkson was so loud that he was heard by hotel staff and guests in the lobby and front desk. The producer offered no resistance and simply took the abuse, thinking that he had, indeed, been fired. Then, unprovoked, Clarkson punched the producer in the mouth. The producer did not fight back but left the patio and went into the hotel, bleeding, with Clarkson following him and continuing to loudly and publicly demean and badger him. The producer took a taxi to a clinic because he was bleeding and needed medical attention.
All of this was confirmed by several witnesses and was admitted to by Clarkson. This comes after Clarkson was given a "last chance" warning by his employer for prior incidents.
Sometimes things ARE black and white. As James May put it, "I don't see as how they [the BBC] had any choice."
I read the report, I thought the patio was part of the pub which they had repeatedly been drinking in earlier.
I don't see where anything otherwise contradicted what I said on the facts, or my related speculation from them.
I believe James May also said something to the tune that he couldn't see why something else couldn't have been done.
There's no doubt more to the story, there always is.
Other factors, BBC owns the show, or at least controlling interest. They paid Clarkson and his partner, one of the producers, a dear sum in 2013 for it.
Last year the TG franchise made something like 150M Euro worldwide.
The first canceled episode cost the BBC 4M of the usual 5M viewers they normally has in that time slot.
Supposedly there was an 18 year waiting list for audience tickets to the show.
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Some of the Top Gear episodes are extremely dangerous for the "Presenters".
How many Actors do their own stunts?
I find fault with the "Producer" for not anticipating the requests of the people doing the work. Isn't that his job???
The "Producer" is a wimp who can't take a punch from a weak old man who just happens to be his top man. I guess heavy construction projects are different.
Well at least Top Gear lasted longer than the Smother's Brothers (also cancelled for being Politically Incorrect).
I suppose the producer should've anticipated that Clarkson would be drinking in a pub keeping his helicopter ride waiting for several hours and not knowing the kitchen would be closed at the hotel. Yeah, Clarkson should've slugged the guy for not being able to read his mind when he would leave the pub.
I wonder if the helicopter had Corinthian leather?
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The BBC is a public funded politically left leaning organisation. The British public pay £120 a year per household for the compulsory licence fee to watch it. They come under constant scrutiny by a jealous printed press who would dearly love for it be be self funding with adverts every 15 minutes like other channels. As a consequence the corporation would have found it nigh on impossible to retain Clarkson without a shit storm of protests from all the self serving interests who are always looking to stick the knife in.
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Some of the Top Gear episodes are extremely dangerous for the "Presenters".
How many Actors do their own stunts?
I find fault with the "Producer" for not anticipating the requests of the people doing the work. Isn't that his job???
The "Producer" is a wimp who can't take a punch from a weak old man who just happens to be his top man. I guess heavy construction projects are different.
Well at least Top Gear lasted longer than the Smother's Brothers (also cancelled for being Politically Incorrect).
You're trolling while fishing.
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You're trolling while fishing.
Actually while NOT fishing ;D Geez , this guy acted like a BIG RICHARD , how can anyone be surprised or defend his Prima Donna behavior , and furthermore , how does it really matter ?
Dusty
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Lots of big and often self destructive egos in the media business!
I am very wary of those smiling, on- air persona (talking heads) that pretend to be trustworthy and neighborly.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/the-mistake-that-god-made_zpsjd0ovopq.jpg)
The temptation for an immoral person in the show media business to take advantage of the situation is just too great. :BEER:
Speaking of temptation, the BBC should also make some of their staff wear chastity belts!
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I don't think anyone is defending him.
I just think there's always more to the story.
So personally I'm lamenting the loss of the show.
Though as I said originally Clarkson did it to himself.
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My first thought was who the hell is JC and why should I care?
Serves him right, there are plenty more who can step in and take over.
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My first thought was who the hell is JC and why should I care?
Serves him right, there are plenty more who can step in and take over.
My first thought too. Never have seen him; have read complaints about him over the years in the course of forum discussions.
But what a shocking development! A pampered, whiney, overpaid Big Media star with a massive ego trashes his hotel or punches someone out because he was brought Fiji water instead of Perrier, or because the grapes weren't peeled to his liking.
Quick! Get a special edition of the paper out!
Lannis
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there are plenty more who can step in and take over.
No, actually. That's the point. It's the chemistry of the presenters that really make the show.
There have been attempts to recreate it in other countries and in other formats, but they have all paled in comparison to this trio.
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I liked The Stig! He never punches anybody and he never mouths off! . . . . . and he can drive!!!!!!
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I liked The Stig! He never punches anybody and he never mouths off! . . . . . and he can drive!!!!!!
Don't you remember the Stig's Chinese Cousin? He kicked James May "right in the plums'.
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The Robin Reliant segment was one of the funniest I saw.
The top rated TV show in the US gets around 25 million viewers a week. Top Gear gets 350 million. It is far and away the most popular show on the telly in the world.
I tuned in about 5 years ago. My wife, no great fan of cars, watches (watched) it with me. She likes the humor. All three presenters are funny. Clarkson doesn't care for motorcycles much, but Hammond and especially James May are bike fans. And Hammond is the only one who likes American cars. They regularly trashed American cars and tourists. They barely escaped with their lives when the show came to the American south and they put anti-southern slogans on the cars. Same with a show in Argentina.
It is hard for me to believe the BBC will totally give up on Top Gear. It makes too much money for them. So I look for Clarkson to take a year off and then watch the boys return. And Clarkson's contract to have severe performance clauses in it.
James May gets my vote for favorite presenter. especially after penning this Moto Guzzi piece.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jamesmay/7590140/Hark-the-first-Moto-Guzzi-of-spring.html
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They'll milk the PR, and hire him back with an 'undisclosed settlement'. Everybody will be more popular and richer than ever.
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Is there just no one else that can take this guy's place ? ::) I mean is he so uniquely talented that , oh say ALMOST ANYONE off the streets couldn't read the script and pretend to give a rat's patootie ? C'mon , I'll betcha there are at least 10 members on WG that could do a better job . Molly , Roper , Hagan ? I say give it to Rodekyll or CJ750, both understand mechanical stuff , and both like cars AND bikes . Get Kev m to edit the tech stuff , bingo bango :BEER:
Dusty
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Is there just no one else that can take this guy's place ? ::)
It comes down to chemistry.
It's very rare in the entertainment industry that the sequel is as good or better than the original.
Think how many rock bands prosper without the original lineup, especially if the original lineup was only 3 and the one you are talking about was the front man.
Like trying to replace Geddy Lee in Rush.
CAN it be done? Probably, but everyone will always compare to the original and like it or not they are big shoes to fill.
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I've watched the show a few times and just saw it as another example of weird British humor, where the controlled populace have no chance to fight against the MAN, so when they see someone get away with whatever they stupidly want to do, the fans love to see it happen. :D
I did like that 1 show where he drives a 50cc enclosed 2 smoke scooter all over both outside and inside a building. ;D Pure fantasy.
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I have been in employment law for a lot of years and I can tell you that in any workplace, let alone a high-profile one like the BBC, if you sucker-punch a co-worker -- you're fired.
I've seen it many times without a firing but what the hell do I know, I've only worked Construction since the 70's.
The firing and police become an issue only if the co-worker makes an issue of it.
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It comes down to chemistry.
It's very rare in the entertainment industry that the sequel is as good or better than the original.
Think how many rock bands prosper without the original lineup, especially if the original lineup was only 3 and the one you are talking about was the front man.
Like trying to replace Geddy Lee in Rush.
CAN it be done? Probably, but everyone will always compare to the original and like it or not they are big shoes to fill.
Difference is Geddy Lee has talent ~; The Tonight Show had a couple of hosts before Carson , the Daily Show had some guy before Stewart , and even Payton Manning has been replaced in Indiana .
Dusty
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I don't know who the Stig is now but he was Michael Schumacher for a few years. BTW, the doctors say Schumacher's severe head injury was caused by a helmet mounted Go Pro that, when he fell on his skis, smashed his skull in.
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Difference is Geddy Lee has talent ~; The Tonight Show had a couple of hosts before Carson , the Daily Show had some guy before Stewart , and even Payton Manning has been replaced in Indiana .
Dusty
Jack Parr was my favorite before Johnny Carson. Carson was predictable........ ...Parr wasn't. OMG, the 1st time the Smother's Brothers and Jonathan Winters were on Parr's show I thought I was going to die laughing!! ;-T
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Jack Parr was my favorite before Johnny Carson. Carson was predictable........ ...Parr wasn't. OMG, the 1st time the Smother's Brothers and Jonathan Winters were on Parr's show I thought I was going to die laughing!! ;-T
True , and Parr was brilliant , but most everyone between 48 and 65 thinks of Carson as the host . That is my point , anyone can be replaced , some of these Prima Donnas need to be reminded of that fact .
Dusty
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I think Comedy Central should take this opportunity to do a roast of Jeremy Clarkson, like they do any other celebrity after a scandal.
I could see him being "roasted" by the Stig. The Stig standing at the podium, arm crossed nodding his helmet covered head, then glaring at Clarkson, and kicking over a table or chair on his way off the stage.
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Difference is Geddy Lee has talent ~; The Tonight Show had a couple of hosts before Carson , the Daily Show had some guy before Stewart , and even Payton Manning has been replaced in Indiana .
Dusty
You ignored my point about chemistry.
Ckarkson undeniably has talent and is credited with the current popularity of the show which he and a child hood friend essentially recreated.
The rest of your examples are of, essentially, one-man shows so chemistry was not part of the equation.
Though I will admit in all cases, TG included, the shows would not succeed without also having the hugely talented writers, producers etc. Still that didn't discount his talent.
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Know who I'd like to see canned? Whomever it is that decides on car or truck "of the year" in January of the model year. I'd like to see CoTOTY awarded say three years later, after the true owner experience has been tabulated.
How about a show called "Car and Truck of the year before last!" It would be a boon to the used vehicle buyer.
Winner Categories:
Survived 100,000 with only fluid, tire and brake pad changes.
No CEL, TPMS or ABS fails for 100,000 mile award!
Special awards for the under $50 headlight relamping (both sides)!
300,000 mile OEM exhaust system award!
Loser Categories: (Maybe JC could be contracted to roast the losers and dump them in a shredder?)
Trans fail pre 100,000 miles, aka "D" means Don't Move, "R" means, Really, Don't Move award.
Top score in Service Writer "Never heard of that before", "They all do that" or "That's normal" tally BS, Search The Web award.
Five sets of pads and rotors in two years Don't Hold Me Back award.
Lifetime powertrain warranty (requires mandatory $5000 service every 36,000 miles) YMBFK Award.
Tobit
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Of course I have to admit something . have never watched the show and have no idea who this Clarkson guy is ~; Oh wait , is he the fella that kept tipping over the Bond ? ;D Hell , I can do that ::)
Dusty
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Of course I have to admit something . I have never watched the show and have no idea who this Clarkson guy is ~; Oh wait , is he the fella that kept tipping over the Bond ? ;D Hell , I can do that ::)
Dusty
You'd already admitted not having seen it when we spoke the other day...
But even on Percoset I couldn't see taking a cheap shot at you for it. ;)
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You'd already admitted not having seen it when we spoke the other day...
But even on Percoset I couldn't see taking a cheap shot at you for it. ;)
Cheap shots no problem ;D Really kind of wondering when your memory would kick in after the drugs :BEER:
Dusty
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Speaking of funny... Does anybody know the episode about the high line gambler that looses everything but his reliable car isnt and he blows his brains out? Is that how it goes?
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While I'm not a regular viewer I found the shows I watched very entertaining. Typical British humor/sarcasm unlike that on this side of the lake (excluding shows such as The Daily Show). Think of Benny Hill! Compare TG to a piece of crap show like Counting Cars. What rubbish! While the end results are impressive the cast of CC are a bunch of moronic bozo's! I agree that the TG cast chemistry was one of the best parts of the show.
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Enjoyed earlier episodes, frankly show has gotten stale, and predictable. Clarkson is another media made blow hard, who in his realm is king. Outside of celebs doing laps in the economy hatchback I will not miss the show. If you need a weekly auto fix without paying for cable head over to Jay Leno's Garage on YouTube.
A gracious guy who loves cars and even has a Guzzi or two in his collection.
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Ok, after a day of working, one of the TOP GEAR, behind the scenes , guys, fails to do his job, ie, make sure, there would be hot food available.
Big Bruha. No Big Deal !
The Broadcasters Buggering Children ( BBC ) welcome anything , that diverts public attention, away from all their Left wing biased reporting, along with their current covering up of their part in P.I.E & Jimmy Savile & Cyril Smith.
It goes higher than that, but at the moment, the UK SS (security service ) is shutting down any & all whistleblowers who know of sexual violation of minors, inside the BBC & Whitehall.
Directly threatened by one of the UK's top advocates, anything they say, will make them liable to prosecution, for breaching the Official Secrets Act !
Clarkson's minor gaffe, is seen as a godsend, by those vile perverts !
Takes the pressure off them, for a day or so.
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So MGM, it was the BBC's fault that this guy got drunk and acted like a dick ? Interesting concept that ::)
Dusty
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The show was a bunch of staged nonsense. I'm surprised anyone cares.
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I agree with Kev M. The whole point of the show was the chemistry between the three. If you every saw the US version, you would see what happens without the chemistry. Without JC, a lot of that is lost.
Staged? Sure.
Entertaining? Absolutely.
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So MGM, it was the BBC's fault that this guy got drunk and acted like a dick ? Interesting concept that ::)
Dusty
No, He always acts like that, but this time, it is "Convenient" for the BBC to fire one of its best earners !
So they can use the distraction, to gain time , to come up with excuses for their covering up of child abuse through decades.
Guess You are not aware of current hot news in the UK ?
Apart from the German Plane Crash, that is !
Heck, Just a few days ago, it was revealed that Margaret Thatcher, was made aware of Cyril Smith's actions, Yet she went ahead and Knighted him anyway ! Big ongoing panic among the involved over here !
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The show was a bunch of staged nonsense. I'm surprised anyone cares.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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No, He always acts like that, but this time, it is "Convenient" for the BBC to fire one of its best earners !
So they can use the distraction, to gain time , to come up with excuses for their covering up of child abuse through decades.
Guess You are not aware of current news in the UK.
Most everyone knew about the children's show host that apparently had done some awful stuff . Not sure what that has to do with the folks running the BBC now, wasn't most of that 30 years or more back . Not apologizing for what happened then , but is there anyone associated with the BBC now that was around then , and wasn't it their news division that broke the story ?
Dusty
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Good riddance. He was an arse-hat.
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I heard he is possibly colaborating with Netflix on an original series. He'll be back...
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Most everyone knew about the children's show host that apparently had done some awful stuff . Not sure what that has to do with the folks running the BBC now, wasn't most of that 30 years or more back . Not apologizing for what happened then , but is there anyone associated with the BBC now that was around then , and wasn't it their news division that broke the story ?
Dusty
NO ! The Guardian newspaper & the BBC were the very last of the UK media, to get involved with the story.
Only due to public Pressure !
From memory, the initial story was in the Daily Mail, or perhaps the Express.
Yes there are still people in the BBC & Whitehall, who were involved.
But as said, the Security Services are shutting down the investigation & reporting !
So any diversion is grasped with both hands.
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NO ! The Guardian newspaper & the BBC were the very last of the UK media, to get involved with the story.
Only due to public Pressure !
From memory, the initial story was in the Daily Mail, or perhaps the Express.
Yes there are still people in the BBC & Whitehall, who were involved.
But as said, the Security Services are shutting down the investigation & reporting !
So any diversion is grasped with both hands.
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Alrighty then , if there are guilty parties still at the BBC then put them in stocks . Still not sure what this has to do with some pompous twat committing an act of violence because because he couldn't get a hot roast beef sandwich . Or whatever he wanted .
Dusty
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I'm a huge fan of Clarkson and the show, but I'm with Dusty... Irrelevant to the fact that Jeremy cooked his own goose.
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I don't know who the Stig is now but he was Michael Schumacher for a few years. BTW, the doctors say Schumacher's severe head injury was caused by a helmet mounted Go Pro that, when he fell on his skis, smashed his skull in.
MS was NEVER The Stig. It was a joke. Like the rest of the show
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MS was NEVER The Stig. It was a joke. Like the rest of the show
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The Michael Schumacher , winner of more GP races than anyone ever ??? ??? Doubt they could afford his pate bill ;)
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I'm a huge fan of Clarkson and the show, but I'm with Dusty... Irrelevant to the fact that Jeremy cooked his own goose.
Clarkson has done many similar things in the past , and never had a problem, because TOP GEAR is the biggest earner the BBC has ever had.
Any misdeeds by Clarkson have always been toned down & glossed over, to the point of insignificance.
He was hailed as a Hero, for smacking Piers Morgan in the mouth ! How long was that ago ?
However, This Time, where the BBC is in deep Doo Doo, over a different thing altogether;
They decide that blowing the whole Clarkson thing way out of proportion, buys them time to cover their tracks.
Otherwise it would have been" Business as Usual"
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The Michael Schumacher , winner of more GP races than anyone ever ??? ??? Doubt they could afford his pate bill ;)
Dusty
He appeared on the show "as" the Stig once.
That said, the show had both a massive budget and massive pull with auto makers of luxury, supercars, and Hypercars
They routinely flogged cars that cost between $100k-$1M both on the track and on the street.
They conducted lap time testing of these cars on their test track to log relative performance, and not just straight line.
We got to live vicariously as they raced a Bugati Veyron against a military jet, or tested its top speed, meaning over 200 mph.
They got an expert racing driver to attempt to lap the Nuremborg ring in under 10 minutes in a Ford van.
They tested an AWD Ferrari on a track laid out on a frozen lake.
They gave us glimpses into 900+ HP hybrid supercars.
They raced an AWD Bentley Continental on a rallye stage.
They raced an Olympic luge and skull with a rallye prepped Audi and Mini.
They attempted to ski jump a Mini Cooper by adding a rocket to it.
They staged a "1950's" race with a period correct steam train, Jaguar, and Vincent Black Shadow.
They consistently got celebrities to spend a day on their test track trying for a best lap time in a cheap car. Same car each season to rank them relatively.
There were stupid stunts... Like racing cars each with a second car welded upside down on the roofs of the primary cars. Two drivers in each car, the one in the lower car works the brakes and gas, the one upside down in the top car steers.
The "challenges" were often staged, but the concepts were things we'd only dream to do in our wildest imaginations. Race a Nissan GTR across Japan against their bullet train and public transport, or racing a speed boat vs. a small plane vs. an antique Ferrari or Jag to the Riviera.
They had a budget we could only dream of and constantly showed us fun things we only wish we could do.
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He appeared on the show "as" the Stig once.
That said, the show had both a massive budget and massive pull with auto makers of luxury, supercars, and HyperCard.
They routinely flogged cars that cost between $100k-$1M both on the track and on the street.
They conducted lap time testing of these cars on their test track to tank relative performance, and not just straight line.
We got to live vicariously as they raced a Bugati Veyron against a military jet, or tested it's top speed, meaning over 200 mph.
They got an expert racing driver to attempt to lap the Nuremborg ring in under 10 minutes in a Ford van.
They tested an AWD Ferrari on a track laid out on a frozen lake.
They gave us glimpses into 900+ HP hybrid supercars.
They raced an AWD Bentley Continental on a rallye stage.
They raced an Olympic luge and skull with a rallye prepped Audi and Mini.
They attempted to ski jump a Mini Cooper by adding a rocket to it.
They staged a "1950's" race with a period correct steam train, Jaguar, and Vincent Black Shadow.
They got celebrities to spend a day on their test track trying for a best lap time in a cheap car. Same car each season to rank them relatively.
There were stupid stunts... Like racing cars each with a second car welded upside down on the roofs of the primary cars. Two drivers in each car, the one in the lower car works the brakes and gas, the one upside down in the top car steers.
The "challenges" were often staged, but the concepts were things we'd dream to do. Race a Nissan GTR across Japan against their bullet train and public transport, or racing a speed boat vs. a small plane vs. an antique Ferrari or Jag to the Riviera.
They had a budget we could only dream of and showed us fun things we wish we could do.
I'm going to miss the best televison show...
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My first thought was who the hell is JC and why should I care?
Serves him right, there are plenty more who can step in and take over.
I have no idea either...I suspect he's on the TV? And is it ok for manly men who dress in leather and ride dangerous machines to discuss this stuff???
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I'm going to miss the best televison show...
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They got an expert racing driver to attempt to lap the Nuremborg ring in under 10 minutes in a Ford van.
To be honest this was one of the sexiest things I've ever seen.. The way Sabine was puffing, panting, turning red and gripping the wheel.. Whew boy I was in quite a state by the end of that segment!
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I love Top Gear.. As a non-cable haver.. Has to be one of the top 5 series on Netflix
I don't agree with JC's hybrid bashing, climate change denial, and snide jokes about liberals in general...
But the show is so good I've managed to overlook it and be a fan. Sure some of the stuff is obviously staged, but damn entertaining and plenty of petrol head eye candy.
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I BET some of that bashing was insincere, for shock/image value as well.... And hell, even if not, you could always laugh at it, if not with it.
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Here's the segment I was thinking of..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc
The setup is such:
The boys has tested a new diesel Jaguar that was supposed to be as fast as the petrol Jag.. Jeremy was able to clock a 10min lap on the Nurburg Ring in it...
Much later, when they had a special that pitted the German Top Gear crew vs the UK Top Gear crew.. They entered the diesel Jag in one of the competitions against a Merc or BMW diesel that the Germans had brought...
Since ball-busting is pretty much the bread & butter of Top Gear, they stood around bashing each other's car choices... Jeremy defended the Jag by saying he took it around Nurburg in 10min. Sabine laughed in his face and said she could drive a Transit van as fast... And thus this segment
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Yup, great segment. The type of thing we would all like to try on some level... Some ball busting some bench racing, then a real challenge on a track... Good stuff
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It is disappointing that he went out like that, I was a big fan of the show. Idiot did it to himself though. I like James May better anyway, I'd like to see him on a motorcycle based show. One of my favorites was the three riding bikes through Vietnam.
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Clarkson has done many similar things in the past , and never had a problem, because TOP GEAR is the biggest earner the BBC has ever had.
Any misdeeds by Clarkson have always been toned down & glossed over, to the point of insignificance.
No.
It has been widely reported, and is undisputed by Clarkson and the other Top Gear presenters, that Clarkson was previously issued a "last chance" warning by BBC management and put on probation for incidents in the prior season of the show. Maybe the BBC tolerated his antics up to a point, but prior to this season, the BBC had already decided that enough was enough.
So, your theory is... the BBC knew in advance that an unrelated scandal within the BBC would some day be exposed, and therefore BBC management put Jeremy Clarkson, the star presenter of their highest-rated show, on notice that one further screw-up would cost him his job, not as a valid management tool to control his offensive and embarrassing behavior, but in preparation for the day when that the unrelated BBC scandal would be exposed, all the while knowing for a certainty that Clarkson would once again commit a faux pas, and that it would occur at the same time that this yet unrevealed scandal was in the news, which the BBC could then cite as Clarkson using up his "last chance," justifying their refusal to renew his contract, and thereby accomplishing the BBC's nefarious goal of distracting public attention from the as-yet-unrevealed, and unrelated, scandal.
Fascinating!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQql-ZbZmg
the BBC send off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQql-ZbZmg
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Too bad. It really was my favorite car show. Motorweek meets monty python.
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It is disappointing that he went out like that, I was a big fan of the show. Idiot did it to himself though. I like James May better anyway, I'd like to see him on a motorcycle based show. One of my favorites was the three riding bikes through Vietnam.
That episode always made me think that much of JC's on air personality/attitudes was an act it at least exaggeration.
You don't cross Vietnam on a cycle, even a small scooter, and really hate them and their riders.
And that trip was just another in the long list that made me envious of their job.
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I'm a huge fan of cars, so I've been watching every episode since day one. I'm a little unnerved that nobody here has mentioned Carson's spreading of hatred. During the show he continuously bashed other countries, calling Americans "fat, gun toting idiots", and calling the French "surrender monkeys", and calling modern day Germans "nazis" and worse. Oddly enough, he did an episode on Britain's decline, stating that they are "stuck in 1936", which is what he seems to be. He also was very obvious about giving British cars precedence in his reviews, never giving cars like the Porsche 911 a fair chance and always promoting the Aston Martin. That type of guy shouldn't be on a rating show, or any show for that matter. To top it off, he bullies his co-hosts in the show, and their displeasure is quite obvious episode after episode. Clarkson behaves like a big, spoiled child, which ended up with him punching his superior over nothing. This is not okay in any industry, which is why he got himself fired.
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Yet you've been watching from day one.
I think most of us didn't believe he genuinely meant the "hate".
It's humor, and humor is often an exaggeration, and ofttimes an outrageous one.
You can't look around the US and not see a reason for calling us fat, or pointing out the cultural differences between us and the UK regarding firearms.
And if I can laugh at myself in such a way I can also laugh at "surrender monkeys." I can tell the difference between humor and reality.
He never hesitated to call himself fat too, or to point out, quite sarcastically, anything he saw "wrong" in the UK too.
Come on, the Blue Ridge Parkway as "best driving road in the world, cause Americans know everything" is funny on multiple levels. Going through the effort to bring 3 supercars to it and drive 35 mph is hilarious in and of itself even if the sometimes superior attitude of Americans is the brunt of the joke.
Then in contrast in another episode they'd show again just how funny it is to call the Blue Ridge a driving ride by tearing up the Stelvio pass in more supercars.
But then they'd also take another trip to the US, make some redneck jokes, and point out something socially relevant like the post Katrina economic devastation of New Orleans. Or they'd show us the beauty of Vietnam giving us a radically different point of view than the one with which we likely grew up. Or they'd take the time to point out economically devastated parts of Spain that have suffered since the economic collapse. All this under the guise of road trips in supercars. Not bad for a "car" show.
Did the various hosts refrain from sharing their tastes and prejudices with regards to car brands and nationalities? Nope, not once. But why should they. We knew how they would feel after just a few episodes and someone was always relatable on one side or the other. Not that they didn't sometimes surprise us.
Always conservative captain slow looking at the specs and tech, always function over form.
Porsche loyalist and motorcyclist, and American car enthusiast Richard Hammond.
British and Italian car loving JC who puts passion over logic and despised hybrids largely because of pious owners (until he reviewed the McLaren, and then the BMW I8).
Hell one episode clearly showed that logic suggested the Alfa Romeo just plain wasn't the right choice compared to the other two cars they were "testing" but all three agreed it was the one they'd want. "The worst car, is the best car" they quipped.
No one should have taken the "conclusions" to their reviews seriously.
By the time they arrived at their "conclusions" the audience had received enough information to make up their own minds and the "conclusions" were nothing more than the tastes and prejudices of the presenters and not meant to be scientific in any way. Like three mates at the pub.
They obviously didn't take themselves seriously, so you can't believe they meant us to either.
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Yes we all know what Jeremy Clarkson is like !
Entertaining ...... Yes
Rude ..............Yes
A bully..........yes
Politically Incorrect ...... Yes
A Bit arrogant ... Hmmm ......Yes
Fun to watch ....... YES
This is why the BBC Employed him, to bring in the $$$$$
He might be all of the above, and some I've missed, But at the end of the day, he was what the show was all about ;-T
I personally believe you have to watch shows like this for the entertainment value only, if you wish to pick holes in everything in life .... you will be constantly disappointed.
Don't like it...... Don't watch it and bitch about it later, send them a letter, they will throw it on the pile they started years ago. :D
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I'm a huge fan of cars, so I've been watching every episode since day one. I'm a little unnerved that nobody here has mentioned Carson's spreading of hatred. During the show he continuously bashed other countries, calling Americans "fat, gun toting idiots", and calling the French "surrender monkeys", and calling modern day Germans "nazis" and worse. Oddly enough, he did an episode on Britain's decline, stating that they are "stuck in 1936", which is what he seems to be. He also was very obvious about giving British cars precedence in his reviews, never giving cars like the Porsche 911 a fair chance and always promoting the Aston Martin. That type of guy shouldn't be on a rating show, or any show for that matter. To top it off, he bullies his co-hosts in the show, and their displeasure is quite obvious episode after episode. Clarkson behaves like a big, spoiled child, which ended up with him punching his superior over nothing. This is not okay in any industry, which is why he got himself fired.
And that's why so many people loved the show. Jezzer said and did things that we are told is unacceptable today. Top Gear was an antidote to all the PC nonense we are forced to swallow on a daily basis.
It is refreshing to see so many positive comments on the show from outside the U.K.The Top Gear crew must have been doing something pretty special for the show to be so enjoyed worldwide.
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Top Gear was an anitidote to all the PC nonense we are forced to swallow on a daily basis.
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I'm gonna miss this loopy trio . . . :(
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Yes we all know what Jeremy Clarkson is like !
Entertaining ...... Yes
Rude ..............Yes
A bully..........yes
Politically Incorrect ...... Yes
A Bit arrogant ... Hmmm ......Yes
Fun to watch ....... YES
This is why the BBC Employed him, to bring in the $$$$$
He might be all of the above, and some I've missed, But at the end of the day, he was what the show was all about ;-T
I personally believe you have to watch shows like this for the entertainment value only, if you wish to pick holes in everything in life .... you will be constantly disappointed.
Don't like it...... Don't watch it and bitch about it later, send them a letter, they will throw it on the pile they started years ago. :D
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One episode I remember was a race between a 1966 VW Beetle and a new Porsche 911 AWD. They did one race on the 1 mile course and showed the results. The next race was in a Desert in Africa and they dropped the VW from 1 mile up and the Porsche was racing on the desert one mile away. THAT was entertaining.
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One episode I remember was a race between a 1966 VW Beetle and a new Porsche 911 AWD. They did one race on the 1 mile course and showed the results. The next race was in a Desert in Africa and they dropped the VW from 1 mile up and the Porsche was racing on the desert one mile away. THAT was entertaining.
Scott , which car won ?
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I think GuzziDog54 and Kev M both make some valid points. I am going to miss the show, but understand that this was a necessary, if not ideal, way to end it.
Contradictory? I don't think so. The key, I think, is to distinguish between, while acknowledging the overlap among, "reality TV" and reality.
Clarkson's on-screen antics are the scripted, rehearsed, calculated actions of an entertainer -- a job that he is very good at. Clarkson's off-screen antics are the actions of a boorish, immature, offensive bully. The former brought him fame, while the latter got him fired. Of course, the overlap between his public and his private personas is what made him such a controversial figure AND such an entertaining presenter.
It seems to me that the show was getting a bit long in the tooth; the show's format a bit stale and predictable; and Clarkson's "shtick," in particular, a bit tiresome. I got the feeling that the other two presenters, especially James May, were getting a bit fed up with Clarkson's prima donna routine. However, after Clarkson's dismissal was announced, May was quoted as saying to the effect: "He [Clarkson] is a a bit of a knob, but I like working with him." So there's that. Frankly, I was surprised to see new episodes this year, and even more surprised read that prior to the BBC pulling the plug, all three were being offered 3-year contracts, but I guess the ratings were still very strong.
However, just as Clarkson's real-life persona informed his role as a presenter, his on-screen presenter character appears to have informed his off-screen behavior. After years of getting away with doing and saying pretty much whatever he wanted, as long as a camera crew was present to record it for broadcast and people found it entertaining, it must have been difficult for him to separate that "reality" from the reality that outside the bubble of TV make-believe, people don't get to do and say whatever they want.
So, yeah, I feel sorry for the guy. (Then again, he is such a talented person, I think he will land on his feet.) Also, to his credit, Clarkson self-reported the incident. (For those who think the producer involved is trying to use this to his personal advantage, consider that he didn't report the incident and simply assumed that he had lost his job.) Clarkson also took sole responsibility for the incident, apologized, and did not try to deny or shade what happened. As Kev M noted, Clarkson was known for, among other things, his self-deprecating humor, so he would probably be the first to admit that he did this to himself.
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YouC, I agree with most of that.
A couple of thoughts to clarify or add to it.
It wasn't just a high rated show, I believe it was THE HIGHEST rated show at the BBC, or at least most syndicated and watched world wide grossing something like 150M euro/year or something ridiculous.
As for Jezza, I'm not at all feeling sorry for him. I'm feeling sorry for ME and the millions of fans that loved the show.
Also, interesting tid bit, there were 3 episodes scheduled to be filmed when he was suspended. They asked May and Hammond to film them without him and they refused.
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screw it, I'm going to cancel my cable TV service now
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Let me throw another thought into the discussion.
Because the automotive industry is always moving forward and because a decent portion of the show was showcasing new cars, the show has a shelf life.
Older episodes are already looking and becoming dated. Over time and time they'll basically become irrelevant.
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Pompous hosts aside, it was nice to have a "car-guy" show that's a notch above the half-hour spots produced in the US which are really nothing more than sponsored infomercials. The attempt to reproduce TopGear here in the States fell way short (in my opinion) due to the seeming lack of rapport among the 3 doods they cobbled together as hosts. I'm sure they tested well, but the chmistry of the 3 together was awkward & forced.
As mentioned earlier, part of the appeal of the BBC program was how the three personalities played well off each other.
Oh well. Somethig else aways turns up. Like a Pez dispenser that never runs out.
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To be honest this was one of the sexiest things I've ever seen.. The way Sabine was puffing, panting, turning red and gripping the wheel.. Whew boy I was in quite a state by the end of that segment!
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So I had to go hunt up the clips of Sabine in the Transit at Nurburgring, courtesy of your purple prose. :o
She's OK I guess, but didn't do a thing for me in the way she did you. I WOULD have liked to have seen a split-screen shot showing the view from the driver's seat, the speedo, and the tach (if there is one) for the whole ride ....
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In the race between the VW Beetle falling out of the sky and the Porsche 911,
The VW won. The Porsche was having traction problems on the desert ground. If the Porsche was on pavement...
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Saddest part is that no food on these island nations is worth punching someone over! Recently got back from a two week trip to Ireland and Scotland, and really good food is nonexistent. Did get a chance to watch Top Gear on the telly while there and was shocked that there were no commercials! As the old joke goes, in hell the chefs are British....
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http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/27/top-gear-producer-no-charges-clarkson/
Jeremy Clarkson will not be facing assault charges after attacking Top Gear producer Oisin Tymon at a North Yorkshire hotel following a day of filming.
Tymon opted to not file charges, although local police had requested a copy of the BBC's report into the "unprovoked physical and verbal attack" so that it could respond "where necessary," Radio Times reports.
"Mr. Tymon has informed the police that he doesn't want to press charges," Attorney Paul Daniels said in a statement obtained by RT. "The events of the last few weeks have been extremely unpleasant for everyone involved. The matter has taken a great toll on Oisin, his family and his friends."
"Quite simply, Mr. Tymon just wishes to return now to the job at the BBC he loves, as soon as possible. Further, the BBC have, in his view, taken action with a view to addressing the issues at hand."
This statement is the first time we've heard from Tymon since the incident that led to Clarkson's suspension and then firing. Yesterday, media confronted the former presenter while he was cycling through London.
"I wish people would leave Ois alone, because none of this is his fault," the 54-year-old said.
"Mr. Tymon agrees with the BBC's stated view that all parties should now be allowed to move on, so far as possible," Daniels said.
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So maybe Ois is a really decent guy. Kudos to him.
Makes this all a little stranger.
I mean in contrast frickin Martha Stewart GOT A TV SHOW AFTER going to prison.
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So maybe Ois is a really decent guy. Kudos to him.
Makes this all a little stranger.
I mean in contrast frickin Martha Stewart GOT A TV SHOW AFTER going to prison.
Jon's cousin ?
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Don't you remember the Stig's Chinese Cousin? He kicked James May "right in the plums'.
I missed that episode! 😀
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Artice over on VisorDown mentioned odds-makers speculating that Guy Martin would be the replacement.. I'd watch the heck out of that!
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I have no opinion as to whether he should be fired or not. I wasn't there and have no knowledge of the lead up or actual incident. I will say that despite the controversial nature of some of his comments the BBC happily aired them and rejoiced in the ratings.
A quote: 'Show me a man that says he's indespensible and I'll sack him.' Patton.
Stating that I'd like to point out that they have tried to replicate Top Gear at least 2 times that I'm aware of, Australia and the USA. Both were awful and a failure. The presenters had no chemistry, poor timing and were predictable to say the least. They tried the same formula but just couldn't make it work. The presenters were even copied to the original 3 in size and role. They even had the 'Stig' instead of a locally derived driver name and in identical outfits.
I agree with many of the comments above.
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Say what you want about American Top Gear, Tanner Faust can freakin' drive. I wonder if Tanner doubled as the American Stig? Yes, TG USA has all the stupid contrived stunts I hate on the UK version with none of the road tests and news.
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I have to say the show was starting to get a little bit long in the tooth. The challenges were fun and the car porn was always amazing to see, but some of their pieces were just starting to get dumb and painfully contrived. This latest season's Peugeot hate rant had no point other than to crap all over the manufacturer. Peugeot might deserve it, but they didn't even try and make a point, they just made fun of the cars and the drivers for the sake of doing so. There HAS to be something else they could have filled a whopping 15 minutes worth of air time with other than that...
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No.
It has been widely reported, and is undisputed by Clarkson and the other Top Gear presenters, that Clarkson was previously issued a "last chance" warning by BBC management and put on probation for incidents in the prior season of the show. Maybe the BBC tolerated his antics up to a point, but prior to this season, the BBC had already decided that enough was enough.
So, your theory is... the BBC knew in advance that an unrelated scandal within the BBC would some day be exposed, and therefore BBC management put Jeremy Clarkson, the star presenter of their highest-rated show, on notice that one further screw-up would cost him his job, not as a valid management tool to control his offensive and embarrassing behavior, but in preparation for the day when that the unrelated BBC scandal would be exposed, all the while knowing for a certainty that Clarkson would once again commit a faux pas, and that it would occur at the same time that this yet unrevealed scandal was in the news, which the BBC could then cite as Clarkson using up his "last chance," justifying their refusal to renew his contract, and thereby accomplishing the BBC's nefarious goal of distracting public attention from the as-yet-unrevealed, and unrelated, scandal.
Fascinating!
I can only suggest you go back and re read my posts. Your theory, as presented above, has no relevance to what I have written.
But yes; How you could construe all that, is certainly fascinating.
Almost as good as the H.C.A story about how a single feather, turned into five hens
My posts were to do with current events, Ie the BBC in doodoo right now.
So Clarkson's gaffe, came, just at the right moment, as a story, to blow out of proportion,as a distraction, while they worked on their whitewash.
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I can only suggest you go back and re read my posts. Your theory, as presented above, has no relevance to what I have written.
My posts were to do with current events, Ie the BBC in doodoo right now.
So Clarkson's gaffe, came, just at the right moment, as a story, to blow out of proportion,as a distraction, while they worked on their whitewash.
It has every relevance to what you have written and what you just wrote. Your theory is the BBC "bl[ew] [the story] out of proportion, as a distraction..." My point is, the BBC had, prior to the unrelated scandal breaking, already told Clarkson that one more gaffe and he would be fired. So, his termination was not a calculated distraction or a "blowing" of anything "out of proportion:" it was the necessary consequence of the prior warning that he had received. Your timeline is wrong, simple as that. Unless BBC management is capable of clairvoyance, your theory that the BBC's reaction to what Clarkson did was an overreaction calculated to distract from the molestation scandal is nonsense.
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It has every relevance to what you have written and what you just wrote. Your theory is the BBC "bl[ew] [the story] out of proportion, as a distraction..." My point is, the BBC had, prior to the unrelated scandal breaking, already told Clarkson that one more gaffe and he would be fired. So, his termination was not a calculated distraction or a "blowing" of anything "out of proportion:" it was the necessary consequence of the prior warning that he had received. Your timeline is wrong, simple as that. Unless BBC management is capable of clairvoyance, your theory that the BBC's reaction to what Clarkson did was an overreaction calculated to distract from the molestation scandal is nonsense.
You still have not grasped the point of my post.
You are still in fantasy land ! How can my timeline be off ?
Where do you get this Clairvoyance from ?
Perhaps you think this was the first warning Clarkson was ever given ??
The exposure of the BBC, came a week or so, BEFORE Clarkson, supposedly, smacked a behind the scenes worker, for not doing his job, and the guy he supposedly smacked, is not pressing charges !!!!!
No damage there then !
But the BBC made a big deal out of the alleged incident, because, they were in need of a distraction. and not a lot else was going on.
Now, if the German plane, had come down earlier ; The Clarkson story would probably not have made the papers !
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any Guzzi content?
I don't watch tv and I haven't read previous posts. Have no clue who this non Guzzi guy is that has 120 replies.
I am sure there must be a Jeremy Clarkson forum somewhere other than here!!
JB
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Sure sounds like he appeals to a number of Guzzisti...
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Naked & Dusty make too much sense. I guess, some have drink the Clarkson Kool Aid
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Or maybe some have been fooled by Clarkson's public persona...
I've been watching some classic episodes and wonder if fame or life got to him, or if something else is going on.
Then again I've recently watched the last season and don't see the angst...
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4 pages and 125+ posts? Really? For Clarkson? You guys must be really bored.
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any Guzzi content?
I don't watch tv and I haven't read previous posts. Have no clue who this non Guzzi guy is that has 120 replies.
I am sure there must be a Jeremy Clarkson forum somewhere other than here!!
JB
GC: Clarkson interviewed a guy before showing the cheap car raced on the track, and the guy said he owns a Moto Guzzi.
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How can my timeline be off ?
Where do you get this Clairvoyance from ?
Simple. Clarkson was told, long before the molestation scandal was revealed, that one more incident and he would be fired. Therefore, his firing was not an overreaction to the incident with the producer, but rather, the exact action that the BBC had told him they would have to take if he screwed up one more time. Even Clarkson admits this is so. Again, THAT warning came last season -- long before the molestation scandal. When Clarkson punched the producer, he already had one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel. So unless BBC management can see into the future, Clarkson's termination had nothing to do with the molestation scandal.
Maybe you do not understand the concept of a "last chance" warning? In my experience, it is a common management tool. Yes, this was not the first warning that Clarkson was given -- it was his last. Hence James May's comment that while he regretted the termination, he said he didn't see how the BBC had any choice. If you tell an employee "one more screw up, and you're fired," and the employee screws up again and you DON'T fire them, then you have a rogue employee on your hands as well as a morale problem with your other employees.
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4 pages and 125+ posts? Really? For Clarkson? You guys must be really bored.
You just wait till they fire one of the Kardashians. The list will go mad with suppositions, rumors, innuendo, secret photos, speculation .... It was like when they moved Bill Cullen off of "The Price Is Right", there was no end to it .....
Lannis
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any Guzzi content?
I don't watch tv and I haven't read previous posts. Have no clue who this non Guzzi guy is that has 120 replies.
I am sure there must be a Jeremy Clarkson forum somewhere other than here!!
JB
JB... just mention the new V7 has a different paint color and you'll get their attention! ~;
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Such bad vibes! :'(
As they say in the Army.... "Lighten up, Francis!"
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/1297341586323_ORIGINAL_zpscm7idn6b.jpg)
I think in the Navy they say instead "Don't make Waves!" ;)
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You can make all the WAVES you want, just don't get them pregnant. ~;
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You can make all the WAVES you want, just don't get them pregnant. ~;
In The Modern Navy, it appears to be highly encouraged, judging by the percent of female "sailors" getting pregnant on board ship. Now that they're on attack submarines, maybe the rate will go down? I wouldn't think there'd be room in one of those racks to do anything ....
Lannis