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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: atavar on April 03, 2015, 02:05:32 PM
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I am officially a curmudgeon! It annoys the crap out of me that I cannot even go to a bar for lunch anymore without peoples untended little kids having races up and down the aisles and coming over and handling stuff at *my* table like extra silverware or the salt and pepper dispensers. When I tell the parents to control their kids I am somehow the bad guy and I am supposed to put up with their brats because "they have a legal right to be there"..
They do not have a legal right to interfere with my dining or drinking. I think from now on when the kids start running around i am going to start telling dirty jokes and using lots of four letter words very loudly, or maybe I'll start leaving shots of whiskey at the edge of the table where the kids can reach them.
Let's bring back smoking in bars so people will stop bringing their snot-nosed ankle biters to drinking places. What on earth gives parents the idea that a drinking establishment is an appropriate venue for little kids anyway?
Don't get me wrong, I love kids and I have a lot of fun around kids, but undisciplined screaming brats running amok while I am trying to relax really raises my stress level. A colicky one year old screaming does not bother me at all, they are making noise for a reason. A whining crying four year old trying to get the attention they think they deserve just annoys the crap out of me.
I have a curse. It is pretty much guaranteed that if I go to a bar or a restaurant the hostess will try to seat me right next to the whining four year old.
I guess I am going to have to start eating lunch in strip clubs, or are people bringing their kids to those too these days?
okay, end of rant..
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Isn't there a law against that?
No, seriously, doesn't Sioux Falls have a law noting that children under a certain age are barred from bars?
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Not if the bar serves food, then you can bring your brats in and let them run free unsupervised so long as the management allows it.
Parents - get a clue!! Bad people go to bars, they could do bad things to your kids when you let the kids run around unmanaged. Drunks are not known for being tolerant..
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Tolerant? When I was a drinker I was very tolerant. Sometimes it would take close to 24 beers to get me 'drunk'. :BEER: ;D
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Tolerant? When I was a drinker I was very tolerant. Sometimes it would take close to 24 beers to get me 'drunk'. :BEER: ;D
Yeah, and what would have happened when a kid ran over to your table and took your beer or your french fries? :food :wife:
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Carry a small sign and put it on your table: "Caution, HIV positive, herpes positive, bowel incontinence, child friendly." You won't be bothered by ankle biters.
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Ask management to install a playground (outside) for the little tikes.
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Ask management to install a playground (outside) for the little tikes.
in the mood I'm in i feel there is already a playground outside for them.. with a curb on either side of it and white lines in the middle.. **C
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I remember a thread once on a different board where someone asked if the Sturgis rally was a good place to bring kids. One person responded that they thought the kids would enjoy "Titty alley."
Rich A
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I think I'd ask the parents, WTF do you think this is a daycare? What kind of a nimrod takes thier kids to a bar?? And aren't bars supposed to be smoky? Like the song says, Dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud music! :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:
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I work in a retail store with expensive and delicate electronics. Parents just let their kids run around and touch everything with their cheato-crusted fingers, or what ever junk food they give them these days. Then the parents get all pissy when you politely ask them to keep an eye on the kids.
When did it become acceptable to bring coffee, food, or other open bottle items into retail stores? I'm sick of cleaning fluids from our carpet, not to mention hamburger wrappers off of the merchandise.
How about those people that get the roller dogs from the gas station and start eating before they pay? Then they lick the ketchup off of their fingers just before handing the cashier money. When they drive off, they have a hot dog in one hand, and cell phone in the other.
Ken
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And keep 'em off my lawn, too!
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And keep 'em off my lawn, too!
We need a stick-shaking emoticon. "You damn kids, why, I ought ....."
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Get away from me kid, you're buggin me! >:(
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Let's hear it for the curmudgeons among us. I can agree with most of what he complains about although
I have seen very little of it here. It seems that here in my part of Hawaii, parents usually teach their kids to not do those things to people.
I saw a lot more of it in the 48 than here.
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Kids today........I'll tell you what! How many generations have said that?
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The answer's simple. Move to Indiana. Kids aren't allowed in bars. That's why we always eat in one.
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Ata,
I hear you man. Try darker, grimier bars? I know one in Casper, WY called the Beacon Club.
Another favorite is the Bush Company in Anchorage, AK. My hometown of Durango, CO has a couple real dives...
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I think I'd ask the parents, WTF do you think this is a daycare? What kind of a nimrod takes thier kids to a bar?? And aren't bars supposed to be smoky? Like the song says, Dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud music! :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:
You're behind the curve. The words now are, "Dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud children".
I totally agree with the OP. Karen and I go out to eat and have a quiet meal. Children that are not supervised have spoiled many such meals and I don't long suffer in silence. Why should I?
Ralph
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Don't waste your money on whiskey shots. Try rat traps instead ~;
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Yep,society is collapsing down around us and we are helpless to prevent the complete disintegration of modern civilization . Or maybe we are just a bunch of grouchy old men that can't remember what we acted like as children :o Dunno ;)
Dusty
I can promise you that neither I nor my siblings ever acted like that. Behaving in public was one of the first things I ever learned, and it was backed up with negative reinforcement in the shape of leather belts and fly swatters.
Same when we raised our boys. Matter of fact, we used to have people come to our table and congratulate us for having such well-behaved children. I do the same thing today when I see children behaving well in public. Good POSITIVE reinforcement for the parents and the folks around them.
Lannis
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Our local, the Royal, is a 'Family Friendly' pub but there are rules. No kids in the front bar, legally no kids in the Pokie room, and in the back bar all kids have to be supervised at all times and it is generally well enforced by both parents and staff. Generally, in summer. Most kids are out the back in the large and accomodating beer garden or in the restaurant.
The one time things tend to unravel a bit is Friday evenings between five and seven. There is a particular type of patron who only appears once a week and will come down with their young kids and they then think that if they go to the restaurant for Chinese it's perfectly OK to allow their loathsome spawn, usually equipped with a packet of chips, to run around annoying the shit out of everybody else!
Because Friday evenings are also always busy sometimes the staff are too busy to immediately do anything and it's then Jude and I don our 'Grumpy Little Old Person' personas and growl and scowl. 95% of the time the ill-disciplined little bastards will run whimpering off back to their parents. On a couple of occasions Mum or Dad has come out of the restaurant to 'Have Words' about 'Frightening' little Troy or Samantha, we shrug and point out it's an adult place and its up to them to make sure their kids aren't annoying any of the adults. If they have an issue? That's the landlord/bar manager over there. Take it up with him and we'll see who gets asked to leave. Oddly enough this always makes them STFU! Quite often they don't come back! The publican Scot and Sunny the restauranteur don't care as people like that rarely buy more than one, usually soft, drink and are pain in the arse complainers when it comes to food. They or their horrible sprogs will always have 'Special' needs that make cooking for them a nightmare, they always question the bill and never tip! I'm surprised Ling hast come boiling out of the kitchen with a cleaver sometimes! ;D
At other times there are often several kids in the back bar area and it is rare for them to cause problems. Oddly enough the kids of the 'High-Viz' crowd are generally much better behaved than those of the 'Proffesional/Deskbound' classes...........
Pete
PS like Lannis we tend to compliment people on their well behaved children. Yes, every family will have 'Bad' days but with some people the problem is systemic.
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Years ago I had dinner with friends in Kitchener Ontario, at a large family restaurant packed with local people, many with young children, all dressed neatly, well behaved and almost totally silent.
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I think it was a large religious group of relatives/friends celebrating with a night out. Their kids were perfectly behaved, polite and quite.
I thought I lost my hearing it was so quiet.
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Yep Lannis, we were all perfect well behaved children , as were all of our brothers, sisters,cousins,and friends . Yep , no fist fights , stealing candy from the 5 & Dime , never threw water balloons at cars , never terrorized the hood on motorbikes , by damn , we were all just perfect ::) Heck , my perfect little cousin , big baseball star , pride of his parents , Grannie's favorite , why he simply didn't buy those girly mags and hid them under his bed , and when his mom found them , he didn't tell her he was storing them for a friend of mine , a known hoodlum . Why my Aunt even warned me not to hang around that hoodlum friend of mine , why he made her son hide them dirty books for her perfect little boy :o ::)
Dusty
As you knew before you even posted this silly over-the-top sarcasm, I never claimed perfection nor anything near it.
But it IS a fact that us kids never behaved in a public place as the OP described. We each threw ONE tantrum in the grocery store at about age 3 and that was it. The outcome was too painful to try it ever again.
I never stole candy from any store, never threw a water balloon at a car, and always asked permission of the landowners before riding my trail bike anywhere I didn't own.
It's not true that everything in the world is just OK because we're all just as bad and we shouldn't throw stones. Some people and their kids ARE, in fact, insensitive, anti-social a$$holes and it's OK to say that without any self-flagellation, because we try our best not to be that way.
Lannis
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Yea, I can't believe people let their kids run wild, screaming and hollering in a public place. It friggin drives me nuts. The parents seem to act oblivious to the noise and commotion.
We have a favorite bar/grill that we like to go to that serves the "best" burgers. (3 pound triple anyone?). The owner has a sign hanging for all to see when you walk in the door. It tells parents that they need to watch their children, running and hollering not allowed, or will be asked to leave. When he does ask customers to leave, they raise hell, and of course he's the ass. Oh well.
Randy
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Actually Lannis , most of that over the top sarcasm is true , and yes , my Mom or Grandfather never let me be a little helion in public . My beef is with the idea that this generational , always been antisocial types , always will be .
Dusty
I agree. However, I don't think that the OP is claiming that this sort of behavior is anything new; just that it gets more annoying the more of it you see. Me personal, I don't see enough of it to bother me. I lot of it I can just "turn off" because after all, I'm out in public and I'm should expect a sampler of everything that people do.
I was eating breakfast in a little down-home place in our town last week, and a guy my age came in with his father. Overalls, JD cap, brogans, normally the salt-of-the-earth type. I don't know if the old man was ALWAYS like this, or whether Altzheimer's or something was affecting him, but he had the loudest, foulest mouth of anyone I've ever heard lately. If Fay had been there, I'd have got up and walked out; you couldn't say anything, because the old dude was combative and aggressive. Makes you glad a man's home is his castle!
Lannis
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let the owner/manager know of your issues and ask them to correct the situation that the parents need to control underage patrons. Let them know if they don't you'll be happy to spend your money elsewhere.
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And now for a different twist on curmudgeonisim, stand by for two old farts giving each other crap on that internet machine thing ;D
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Kev m , when did I say bad behavior is acceptable . Dang , well mannered kids are a joy and parents that teach their children to be sweet natured and to not act out are to be commended . That is a great picture of Seamus , is he sorting those crackers in order of size or color ? :D
Dusty
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And now for a different twist on curmudgeonisim, stand by for two old farts giving each other crap on that internet machine thing ;D
Quiet young 'en ;D
Dusty
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Kev m , when did I say bad behavior is acceptable .
Dusty
Uh uh, no passive-aggressive stuff now.
You said "Yep Lannis, we were all perfect well behaved children , as were all of our brothers, sisters,cousins,and friends . Yep , no fist fights , stealing candy from the 5 & Dime , never threw water balloons at cars , never terrorized the hood on motorbikes , by damn , we were all just perfect."
You may not have specifically said that "bad behavior is acceptable", but it APPEARS that you were implying that since WE and OUR children are not PERFECT, then we should not be criticizing other people's children when they behave badly.
But don't let me put words in your mouth. Just what message DID you want to get across with the sarcasm? Is it just way too nuanced for dull illiterates like KevM and me? :D
Lannis
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Oh , I think Kev got it :o :D
Dusty
Yep, we've ALL got it, now.
Lannis
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No, I guess I just took it as statement that kids will be kids and we should just accept it.
Lol, man Seamus LOVES FOOD (gets that from me ;) ). He loves feeding himself even more. That night he started with cheerios and pieces of a roll, but went on to half of my Filet Mignon! (Bastid).
The car keys are in more danger, and sooner, than you can ever imagine .... !
Lannis
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Kids today are not like we were!
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Get away from me kid, you're buggin me! >:(
W. C. was once asked,"How do you like children, Mr. Fields?" He replied,"Boiled".
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A well placed foot in the path of the little monsters is a great learning experience.
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Kevin,
Get ready to have a pimple faced kid pull up next to you at a light on Minnesota street riding an ATV and pull a wheelie and roar down the road. Yup, street legal in SD.
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Wheelies are legal in S. Dakota?
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Man, why can't parents just leave the kids in the car like when I was a screaming four year old.
And don't talk to me about Cheeto encrusted fingers!! Now that weed is legal in Washington......... ..
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I don't find this curmugeony at all. I worked in bars and restaurants for over 20 years. Nobody likes it when an inconsiderate A-hole lets their cool-aid mustached little booger eater run amok . I've told people as a last resort " If you can't control your little animals you need to leave them back at the barn". That always got a great reaction.
On the other hand there have been children that I let sit at my bar (with legal guardian in tow of course) because of their extraordinary manners.
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Nobody expects kids to always be perfectly behaved,it would be nice but of course it won't happen.
There is though, at least I believe there is, a general expectation that parents will parent! It didn't take me long to learn when my toddlers were tired, hungry or fractious and you knew that if they were that was NOT the time to take them anywhere where good behaviour was going to be paramount. Plan a bit ahead. Make sure the've had a nap, aren't starving, make sure they have their favourite toy/comforter and when you get to where you are going don't expect to be able to behave like you did BK, ('Before Kids')! Also, if it does go pear shaped just accept it, make your apologies and leave. Your friends will understand. If they don't? Well maybe they aren't that good a friends Eh? That doesn't mean you allow your kids to dictate your actions but if you get the pattern established early it makes things a whole lot easier later on.
My oldest boy had, (Still has!) quite serious mental health issues and believe me he could be a real handful! But we survived, as did he, and he's now a functioning member of society. We never got asked to leave anywhere and believe me, I certainly don't think I was ever anything like a parental exemplar. In fact my failings there are something that often torments me with guilt.
Pete
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W. C. was once asked,"How do you like children, Mr. Fields?" He replied,"Boiled".
When I began teaching, I started with eighth grade. After several years of that, I was switched to fifth grade because of classroom numbers.
During my first year at that level, child in my fifth-grade class once asked me why I went into teaching. I said, "Because I like children ................... ........ especially french fried." ~;
I knew I was being a little too hard on them when no one laughed.
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Man, why can't parents just leave the kids in the car like when I was a screaming four year old.
Happens often up north here while the parent is in the bar..... Having last call! Most do leave the car running in freezing weather.
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Man, why can't parents just leave the kids in the car like when I was a screaming four year old.
In some states you can get busted for that, it's deemed child abuse. Put the kid in the trunk and no one will know he's there ~;.
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And don't talk to me about Cheeto encrusted fingers!!
Okay, slow morning. Joke of the day. A guy goes to his Dr. and says,"Doc, I've got some strange symptoms and I don't know what to make of it." Doc say,"Symptoms where?" Guy says,"It's my genitals Doc". Doc says,"Well, drop your pants and let's have a look." Guy drops his pants and his shaft/stones are all bright orange. Doc flaps them back and forth a couple times looking at it with his tongue depressor and is quiet a couple moments. Then says,"Well, fella, you've got me stumped. I've never seen anything like this before. Tell me something about yourself. What kind of lifestyle do you have?" Guys says,"To tell you the truth, Doc, I've been kind of depressed lately. Lost my job and about all I do is sit home in front of the TV, drink beer, watch porn, and eat Cheetos".
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I have met a pair of real kids from hell and lived to tell about it.
They looked so cute. But they would try to burn your house down, or steal your truck and laugh about it when caught!
The girl was only 7 or 8 and her brother was just 5 or 6 years old! Both too short to reach the parking brake release, lucky for me.
At a restaurant, they would take off their clothes, naked, run up and down, knocking over plates on other peoples tables - while screaming foul mouthed swear words at all of us, and laughing, at the top of their lungs!!!!!!!
A lot more to the story, another time. **C
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Mommys' lil Precious.
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...but some of us were uh required to be well behaved or were removed from the establishment.
That's how I was raised and how I treat my kids.
almost as soon as she could talk, she started repeating what she'd heard since she was in the car carrier. "you get what you get & you don't throw a fit."
She's a great kid.
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I have met a pair of real kids from hell and lived to tell about it.
They looked so cute. But they would try to burn your house down, or steal your truck and laugh about it when caught!
The girl was only 7 or 8 and her brother was just 5 or 6 years old! Both too short to reach the parking brake release, lucky for me.
At a restaurant, they would take off their clothes, naked, run up and down, knocking over plates on other peoples tables - while screaming foul mouthed swear words at all of us, and laughing, at the top of their lungs!!!!!!!
A lot more to the story, another time. **C
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Mommys' lil Precious.
I think we know the rest of the story.
When did you reform?
Now that she's in her 30s my daughter admits to having had a temper problem as a child. My deal with her was that she could behave absolutely any way she wanted to -- as long as it was in her room. When she'd throw a fit I'd remind her of the rule and she'd trot on in, close the door and raise heck. For that reason she couldn't have tantrums when we were out in public because her room wasn't there.
"WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH"
"Honey, you need to do that in your room, remember?"
"MY ROOM IS AT HOME!!!"
"Then it's like the potty. You'll have to wait till we get home."
"OK."
Her mom disagreed with my parenting strategies so the tantrums reigned at her house. I think the first words my son said (besides "pepperoni") was "Get off my lawn!" He's been annoyed at misbehaving children and dogs since I can remember -- longer than he can remember, too. He says he and his wife aren't going to have kids because he wants to stop the crazy genes from moving forward, but I know it's because he's got an unacceptable standard of behavior for anything knee-high or less.
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What???? No one else saw the Delorean in that pic earlier??
Next time the kids get to racing up and down the isle, give 'em a nice first warning about "you might trip and fall"
If it falls on deaf ears, set an example!
See ya,
Rod
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What?Huh No one else saw the Delorean in that pic earlier??
Just another car to avoid on the road.
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Lets be fair regarding small children. They are always glad to run into the house and get you another beer from the fridge. Whenever I ask my wife to do this, all I get is a bunch of sass abd backtalk....
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There must be nice kids born that way. But some families I have known had a couple of nice kids and then a really one rotten one .... raised the in the same way but came out different.
Years ago, I lived back in Toronto and had very nice neighbors, one couple with 2 young daughters.
Their older 5 year old kid was a monster, would trip her 2 year old sister, when no one was watching, and I saw her trying to bash her sisters head in with a piece of lumber. The parents heard the commotion from inside but by the time they came outside, the little stinker had tossed the wood away and then claimed the 2 year had falling down by herself. Another time the parents caught her trying to drown her sister in their inflatable wading pool - what a scene that was!
They moved away after that and I often wondered if the younger daughter had managed to survive her childhood. Odds were not good.
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There must be nice kids born that way. But some families I have known had a couple of nice kids and then a really one rotten one .... raised the in the same way but came out different.
Years ago, I lived back in Toronto and had very nice neighbors, one couple with 2 young daughters.
Their older 5 year old kid was a monster, would trip her 2 year old sister, when no one was watching, and I saw her trying to bash her sisters head in with a piece of lumber. The parents heard the commotion from inside but by the time they came outside, the little stinker had tossed the wood away and then claimed the 2 year had falling down by herself. Another time the parents caught her trying to drown her sister in their inflatable wading pool - what a scene that was!
They moved away after that and I often wondered if the younger daughter had managed to survive her childhood. Odds were not good.
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Yep. People who believe that humans are born "innately good" or with an "inner moral compass" have never watched a roomful of toddlers playing together. Until they're taught differently, a 2-year-old who wants a toy that another 2-year-old has will happily and quickly whack their buddy over the head and take the toy away .... and if they're not taught differently, they'll continue to do that their entire lives, until they're put away where they can't do it any more.
Lannis