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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: pk on April 17, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
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I am the owner of a 93 1000S VIN 250023, #23 of 84 built in 1993. Green (of course). I know that it's a desirable and rare bike. I'm considering selling it. It is in very good condition. About 25K miles. It has original paint, wire rims, seat, etc. only modifications are "old style" tail light and blinkers (have originals) and Conti replicas and (I do not have the original mufflers). Runs and sounds great!
I guess that I'm inquiring what the current value is on this bike as well as the best way to market this bike should I decide to sell it. I haven't seen any current sales of any 1000S' in a few years.
Pat
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I'd say low 5 figures. Others may differ..
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Quite the interesting 1st post.. I'll give you 6 grand cash right now.. send pm.. or contact fotoguzzi@yahoo.com
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Post a picture.... I want to see if it's mine.
Never seen one EXCACTLY like mine.
Including mufflers and blinkers.... Where are you located?
And yeah... The serials are close too.
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Hey Lauri,
Out of town right now, but will post picture when I figure out how. I saw your very similar bike on the informal registry thread.
Thanks,
Pat
P.S. Hey 'fotoguzzi' consider it sold. Meet me behind the turnip truck.
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I'll see foto's six grand and raise you 500$...but you need to include a bushel of them turnips.
Harry
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If it's nice, $10-12K
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If it's nice, $10-12K
Go on, then ....
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host your pic elsewhere and link here with the IMG code
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/Screenshot2014-01-13at123106PM_zps218180c2.png)
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I'd say low 5 figures. Others may differ..
If it's nice, $10-12K
Yep. A nice 1000S will bring $9,000 to $12,000 in the USA. Several have sold in that price range over the past few years.
Best thing to do for top dollar would be Ebay, so you'd get the widest audience.
Lots of info and lots of GOOD pictures on the auction page will help with the price.
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Go on, then ....
Uhhh, okay. Can I borrow $10 G's?
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I'm in for 9K delivered to my door if it checks out.
However there is also a supposed very clean LM1 coming up very locally up for sale.
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I recommend that you take the LM1. Otherwise you will miss both bikes.
Pat
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I recommend that you take the LM1. Otherwise you will miss both bikes.
Pat
I would too. A decent low mileage red one (LM 1) just sold for over $16K on eBay.
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I would too. A decent low mileage red one (LM 1) just sold for over $16K on eBay.
In the end I hope either bike doesn't meet my expectation and somebody else offers crazy amounts of money for them or they exceed my expectations and someone else offers crazy amounts of money for them. I really don't need or want another bike but I can't help myself.
Where are the :PICS!: of 1000s?
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In the end I hope either bike doesn't meet my expectation and somebody else offers crazy amounts of money for them or they exceed my expectations and someone else offers crazy amounts of money for them. I really don't need or want another bike but I can't help myself.
Where are the :PICS!: of 1000s?
That's how I've been feeling about bikes lately. ;)
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If it's nice, $10-12K
Agreed Although I believe 93 were mid-valve and not big valve. But if it is pretty I say $10K-$12
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Without a photo, for all we know it's a POS and can't assist you with your vague question.
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This topic reads like a crc sales event.
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This topic reads like a crc sales event.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing, no pictures, doesn't know what it's worth, but is probably willing to argue that any offer is to low.
If its for sale then post it with pictures in the For Sale section and move this post off General Discussion.
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I bet it looks better than this one:
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r317/blackkat-1/1000Sengine.jpg)
Though it does look like original paint.
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No location no pics no sale
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I'm totally fine with the Mayor of BBQ's and some of the other snotty comments. I didn't start this thread to sell my 'S'. If it was a classified ad, I would have added pictures, location, and price. How can I put a price on something if I really don't know a ballpark figure to ask? THAT'S WHY I WENT TO A DISCUSSION GROUP! I'm not sure if "The Mayor" and others have realized it or not, but there haven't been very many 1000S' for sale lately and I'm trying to get an approximate value. I really thought this discussion group would be the group to ask. Sorry, my mistake. I can't go to a NADA guide and get a real value. I was just in need of some guidance. I realize that I came to the wrong place for a discussion about this Moto Guzzi. For the people that DID give me some guidance, Thank You, I really appreciate it. I think that I have my answer. Thank you everyone else for your "2 cents". Consider this thread closed.
Have A Nice Riding Season,
Pat
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I think the first two snotty comments in the topic went something like these:
[snippity]
P.S. Hey 'fotoguzzi' consider it sold. Meet me behind the turnip truck.
I recommend that you take the LM1. Otherwise you will miss both bikes.
Pat
Up to that point all the comments looked like sincere enthusiasm. But like you said, it's a rare and old bike. That brings up a lot of legitimate questions in a discussion group. If you don't participate in your own topic with basic things like responsive answers and pictures, how productive can you expect it to be?
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If my comments were "snotty", I apologize. I wasn't expecting to be "lowballed" and "pressured" into trying to sell my bike to opportunists. I was
trying to get information. I really am sorry for my reaction.
Pat
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I'm totally fine with the Mayor of BBQ's and some of the other snotty comments. I didn't start this thread to sell my 'S'. If it was a classified ad, I would have added pictures, location, and price. How can I put a price on something if I really don't know a ballpark figure to ask? THAT'S WHY I WENT TO A DISCUSSION GROUP! I'm not sure if "The Mayor" and others have realized it or not, but there haven't been very many 1000S' for sale lately and I'm trying to get an approximate value. I really thought this discussion group would be the group to ask. Sorry, my mistake. I can't go to a NADA guide and get a real value. I was just in need of some guidance. I realize that I came to the wrong place for a discussion about this Moto Guzzi. For the people that DID give me some guidance, Thank You, I really appreciate it. I think that I have my answer. Thank you everyone else for your "2 cents". Consider this thread closed.
Have A Nice Riding Season,
Pat
Too bad you are done with this thread. I think the 1000s is maybe the best looking Guzzi's ever. Surely top 1-3 Tonti's. Mayor's comments were not snotty. You wanted a reasonable price then put along with the other essentials a few :PICS!: :PICS!: are absolutely mandatory. Really a rat Green 1000s would be could be worth $5K whereas a concours could push $12k. Too bad I was looking forward to some pics. I absolutely :drool over this bike. Test road a big valve Green monster in the early 90's and if I had known then what I know now, how to change ergonomics I would have jumped on it. But my 6'5' frame and very tight muscles and lack of overall flexibility after 30 minutes on it said no.
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multiply my first offer by 3 for your value estimate.. if it's a nice looking and running machine.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/DSCN0749.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG_2031_zpsb6e92ba5.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG_1733.jpg)
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If my comments were "snotty", I apologize. I wasn't expecting to be "lowballed" and "pressured" into trying to sell my bike to opportunists. I was
trying to get information. I really am sorry for my reaction.
Pat
If you are not familiar with this group there are always a couple of smart snarky non serious guys out there just screwing around. I doubt anybody was lowballing you.
Someone offered you sight unseen $6K for it. Well without a picture I sure wouldn't offer more than that. Just sayin. This is a descent crowd. Unless I am a bit naive I have not seen that kind of stuff going on here. Not a lot of guy just join and drop in with rare low mileage sought after Guzzi's without at least putting up more info.
So how about a pic so I can :drool
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multiply my first offer by 3 for your value estimate.. if it's a nice looking and running machine.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG_1733.jpg)
Damn damn damn sweet sweet sweet :drool :drool :drool
Where's the headlight? ;D
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Someone offered you sight unseen $6K for it. Well without a picture I sure wouldn't offer more than that. Just sayin.
thanks, I might go more but just sayin, sight unseen it's probably worth $6k if complete.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG009_1.jpg)
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Most folks who come here looking for the value of their bikes give a ballpark figure, features list, condition and pics, and a discussion ensues, with the owner answering detail questions about what he's got. It's kinda what's expected. In fairness, you did say in your OP that you were thinking about selling it and were asking value and marketing questions. You didn't say "I've got this thing for sale -- make offers." In that regard I can understand you getting annoyed by lowball offers. Me, I don't know that bike from a Suzuki as far as why it's special and what the value might be. My first reaction to $5-6K was that it must be something, since most Guzzis of that vintage go for <$4k in 9/10 condition. I was quite surprised to see estimates of twice that.
So it's entirely possible that the lowballers didn't know what the value could be, either, but it's human nature to take a chance on something attractive. They ballparked it low. I don't think they meant to be insulting.
But regardless, if you'd repeated up top that you're just looking for help establishing the value, and especially if you posted pictures, I think the results would have been better. It's not too late to do that. There are folks who know the model here who could give an honest opinion if they could get a picture of it, and a lot of folks, like me, who would like to see what all the fuss is about.
Historically on this site we get a few folks every year who put things up for sale but refuse to give a price, pictures, history, or responsive answers to questions about it. Then they get abusive when blind offers are made that they feel are lowballing. With a nod to the above where I acknowledge that yours wasn't a sales topic, this thread followed the historic pattern to a "T". The reaction of the members was predictable, and in light of your last comment, they might feel they overreacted a little, too.
I'm not in the market for another motorcycle and I have no idea what you've got or what it's worth so I've no dog inn the fight, but for what it's worth I think if you got some pics up and some of the questions answered you could get the discussion back on track.
[edit] I see folks are already leaning that way . . . :)
$0.02, ymmv, and all that.
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Ok I'll bite
Worth between $6k and $14k
Hard to be more specific without pics
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As far as modern Guzzis go the 1000S is highly desirable and a lot of us would love to own one. What you unintentionally did was dangle a steak in the front of a kennel. You can't blame a few of us for taking shots in the dark.
I guess by now you got the hint that we want to see pictures of the bike. I think it's fair that in exchange for getting a value for your 1000s, you share a little bike porn. ;D
IMO if it was a '91 with the big valve motor it would be more desirable.
My guesstimate would be between 8-10 thou for a really nice '93.
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What "rodekyll" said.
+1
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Hey, my bike!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/fotoguzzi/IMG009_1.jpg)
Hasn't changed much in 15 years except for the rear brake light and the seat.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r317/blackkat-1/IMG_0097.jpg)
Can't imagine ever selling the bike.
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I am the owner of a 93 1000S VIN 250023, #23 of 84 built in 1993. Green (of course). I know that it's a desirable and rare bike. I'm considering selling it. It is in very good condition. About 25K miles. It has original paint, wire rims, seat, etc. only modifications are "old style" tail light and blinkers (have originals) and Conti replicas and (I do not have the original mufflers). Runs and sounds great!
I guess that I'm inquiring what the current value is on this bike as well as the best way to market this bike should I decide to sell it. I haven't seen any current sales of any 1000S' in a few years.
Pat
Brilliant marketing disguised as ....
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Pat sent me pictures, I can confirm that it is a very nice and clean 1000S.
Almost a spitting image of mine.
As such, I would put the value between 11-12K. I would not sell mine below that anyway.
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Pat sent me pictures,
Post them and we can all agree.
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I'd say low 5 figures. Others may differ..
I made the first reply. <shrug> Assuming it's as he says, I'll stick by that.
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This sounds like an earlier poster who was vague and sounded a whole lot like Savannah John.
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I think the first two snotty comments in the topic went something like these:
And having met the Mayor in person at the VA rally last year I can confirm he's not that "snotty".
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This sounds like an earlier poster who was vague and sounded a whole lot like Savannah John.
Savannah John... you mean John in Savannah who was banned?
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Once again, I apologize for overreacting. I felt a bit "accused" and I realize that I need to "grow a pair" over this issue. But, if I was really ready to sell my bike, I would have a lot of current pictures ready. I will forward a few along after I take some as well as some pictures of a couple other Guzzi's that I have tucked away. It's just that I have too many hobbies and feel like I need to "thin the herd" in order to feel less overwhelmed.
Thanks Again,
Pat
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No problem. We really like pictures on this board. Old, new whatever. Share as many as you like, even non guzzi pics.
Welcome, BTW.
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While the big valve motor might be 'more desirable' from a max hp standpoint.. Doesn't the mid valve have more midrange umph??
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While the big valve motor might be 'more desirable' from a max hp standpoint.. Doesn't the mid valve have more midrange umph??
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The mid valve engine is arguably the best of the 2 valve big blocks. Plenty of torque, tractable, and doesn't have the accelerated valve guide wear issue of the big valve engines. That said, the big valve engine is kool. ;D
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if that green thing without the headlight is the bike for sale, tell me how much you want for it, and I will think it over.
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if that green thing without the headlight is the bike for sale, tell me how much you want for it, and I will think it over.
Um, no that was posted by me. as are all the pics in this post accept for one from Blackcat..
we still have not seen the OP's bike.
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p.smitty, I'll be happy to offer my opinion as to price after you post a few pics.
I own a 93 green as well and have watched e-bay and other sites for many years
as to current prices.
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The "green thing without a headlight" is mine, and it has a headlight, it was removed in that picture because I was fitting up a Lemans fairing to the bike and was making up some headlight bracket extenders and so forth in order to get things to fit. Foto very kindly helped me with some wiring issues regarding aftermarket turn-signals.
It's not for sale.
(http://s458.photobucket.com/user/Robotb0y/media/JV1000s1c-1.jpg.html?o=1)
(http://http://s458.photobucket.com/user/Robotb0y/media/JV1000s1a-1.jpg.html?o=2)
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Well, I just saw Pat's bike this morning at breakfast and it's a beauty.
Very clean, very nice , and sounds fantastic.
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Well.....I took some pictures of my 93 'S' this morning. If you like "Guzzi Porn", I'll take a few of a couple other bikes as I bring them out of hibernation.
Pat
http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/psmitty1/slideshow/93%201000S
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;-T ;-T
That's a nice looking Guzzi.
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what a shame Big Block, I could have looked adequately mean and cool, astride that lovely piece of machinery
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Very nice bike, thank you for posting the pictures, I think it would be very hard to part with such a lovely bike.
If you decide to sell it I hope you offer it for sale here on the Wildguzzi site 1st.
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what a shame Big Block, I could have looked adequately mean and cool, astride that lovely piece of machinery
They're out there, you just have to pony up the bucks!
Funny, they were over $9K new and no one wanted 'em.
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$9,000 in '93 is about the same as $14,600 today, according to the Bureau of Labor. That's holding resale value pretty well, I'd say.
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Well.....I took some pictures of my 93 'S' this morning. If you like "Guzzi Porn", I'll take a few of a couple other bikes as I bring them out of hibernation.
Pat
http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/psmitty1/slideshow/93%201000S
Nice! ;-T
(http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii635/psmitty1/93%201000S/IMG_0622_zps0c4koywd.jpg?297)
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Nice! ;-T
(http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii635/psmitty1/93%201000S/IMG_0622_zps0c4koywd.jpg?297)
Agreed! I NEED one of these too...
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They went for about 5700 bucks here in Tulsa. No one wanted them. There is a famous ad offering 1000 bucks off the retail. Cycle World did a comparo with the 1000s, K75s and a third bike I can't remember. Maybe a Ducati. "This grandpa can really hustle" was one of the comments about the Guzzi, and top speeds of 140 mph were mentioned. After that article, and after they quit making them, the Guzzisti woke up and wanted them.
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Agreed! I NEED one of these too...
:+1 :+1 :+1
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Thanks 4 posting finally, can we now all be friends? envious ones at that.. sure looks near perfect.. put on Ebay with a 20k reserve.. we'll all get an idea of the auction value and you won't have to sell it, I don't think.. but maybe it would go over that if you offer worldwide shipping..
(http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii635/psmitty1/93%201000S/IMG_0599_zpsevm0ff3x.jpg) (http://s1263.photobucket.com/user/psmitty1/media/93%201000S/IMG_0599_zpsevm0ff3x.jpg.html)
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They went for about 5700 bucks here in Tulsa. No one wanted them. There is a famous ad offering 1000 bucks off the retail. Cycle World did a comparo with the 1000s, K75s and a third bike I can't remember. Maybe a Ducati. "This grandpa can really hustle" was one of the comments about the Guzzi, and top speeds of 140 mph were mentioned. After that article, and after they quit making them, the Guzzisti woke up and wanted them.
Yep, 1000 S (green) K75 S (purple) and 907 Paso were the bikes in that shootout.
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I'm totally fine with the Mayor of BBQ's and some of the other snotty comments. I didn't start this thread to sell my 'S'. If it was a classified ad, I would have added pictures, location, and price. How can I put a price on something if I really don't know a ballpark figure to ask? THAT'S WHY I WENT TO A DISCUSSION GROUP! I'm not sure if "The Mayor" and others have realized it or not, but there haven't been very many 1000S' for sale lately and I'm trying to get an approximate value. I really thought this discussion group would be the group to ask. Sorry, my mistake. I can't go to a NADA guide and get a real value. I was just in need of some guidance. I realize that I came to the wrong place for a discussion about this Moto Guzzi. For the people that DID give me some guidance, Thank You, I really appreciate it. I think that I have my answer. Thank you everyone else for your "2 cents". Consider this thread closed.
Have A Nice Riding Season,
Pat
you too. take it to your local Harley shop and see what they will give you on trade in.
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that is one tasty 1000s! I say ask 14k, accept 12.5k if you can find guzzisti willing to pay it! Lovely example :BEER:
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Pat,
Apology accepted. However, I must echo the general feelings here that your bike is actually critically flawed. It doesn't have the red suspender preload device. As such, it's only worth $5,000. I'll be a swell guy and offer you $5,250 so long as you pay for shipping.
You picked a tough crowd here, dude. Time to wake up and smell the steel cut oats.
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...BTW, I may be the first one here to suggest that if you sell that bike, you will kick yourself in the nuts for doing so. As your attorney, i would strongly suggest that you keep the green monster.
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...BTW, I may be the first one here to suggest that if you sell that bike, you will kick yourself in the nuts for doing so. As your attorney, i would strongly suggest that you keep the green monster.
Steel toed boots will be supplied for you if you don't have them :BEER:
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Yep, 1000 S (green) K75 S (purple) and 907 Paso were the bikes in that shootout.
I rode w/a guy who had a red K75S and he couldn't keep up with my `81 CX100 in midrange acceleration. ;D We never compared top end.
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that is one tasty 1000s! I say ask 14k, accept 12.5k 6K from PerazziMx14 beacuse he a nice guy if you can find guzzisti willing to pay itand call it a day! Lovely example :BEER:
Good idea Mayor of BBQ ;-T